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I have some cigarettes somewhere in this house. Where did you hide them, cockflakes? |
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nonsmoking assmonkeys. |
further, its a program I can support even as a part-time smoker even though i voted against the increase a few years back. |
I was listening to him today at lunch and a school teacher from VA called in. Guess what he said? Schools do not need more money. More money is not going to fix it. Guess what he (the teacher) suggested? Letting the kids who would rather cause problems in the class room leave. Then he could concentrate on the kids who wanted to be there. California has a huge tax base. Levying an additional 50 cent per pack tax on the abused smokers (dont tell me that smokers have not taken a lot shit in the last decade)sounds really good to non-smoking parents with children who hate being in school anyway, but the smokers are tired of paying for every tax increase lately. Now, I understand that this particular issue is discussing this specific tax going to a preschool for disadvantaged kids. That sounds great, but you are telling me that there is simply no money anywere else in the CA state tax revenue or budget to cover this? What about property tax, which is what is traditionally used to partially fund schools? Or sales tax? Or federal funds? Some counties even use parking fines to pay for schools. Why continue to target an embattled, singled out market? |
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"Letting the kids who would rather cause problems in the class room leave." Kids have proven time and time again they arent the best judge of whats best for them. What a moronic statement. There's a reason they are protected as minors by the law. Moreover its in your best interest children that arent even yours are educated. Smokers are penalized because of the undue burden they put on the health system that EVERYONE pays for. A non-smoker's insurance premiums are inflated because of smokers. Tax dollars are strained with public health because of smokers. Even as a smoker i understand this. So saying smokers are "abused" is just ludcrious. Trace there is no money in CA. Especially now as our governor blew it. Im sure Nate can tell you how expensive property taxes are.Sales tax in LA county is alread 8.5% i dont think we need to raise that. School funding comes from a plethora of bond issues, city revenue and so forth which may or may not include parking fines, conviction fines, lottery etc etc. The article above only singles out LA County and is a program to pick up where Head Start failed. Something you, as a father of young children should be very interested in. I KNOW the importance of teaching children at a young age. We've always talked about making sure our child is bilingual. Well, the best way to teach a child a second language is pre-school. Something "meathead" recognizes and I applaud him for this initive. But that aside....you really should stop listening to Rush, moreover his listeners. I mean really, this paraphrase here is just ridiculous. |
"Smokers are penalized because of the undue burden they put on the health system that EVERYONE pays for" this is bullshit. what about fat people? speeders? people who drink? taxes should be universal. not target a specific demographic just because that particular sin isn't PC at the moment. the reason we have no money for education is because gray 'goosefucker' davis, whose top three priorites were "education, education and education", blew a ton of money on bad electricity deals. we need to cut welfare way down and boost education spending. that would fix a shitload of california's problems. taxing cigarettes is just fucking wrong. |
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no one needs cigarettes. |
Speeders are given tickets. Drunk people are arrested for DWI and public intoxication. Alcohol is taxed heavily in many places. Fat people...er...sue fast food establishments? You're batting .333, anyway. :) |
Ideologically blinded people are given an ass fucking on sorabji. |
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Tax it all! Tobacco, Alcohol, Fast Food, Gasoline, Fucking, Drugs, Rock and Roll, Bad Jokes, Porn, Whining, Caffeine, Gambling, Internet, Sarcasm, Procrastination, Advertising, Children, Oxygen, TV, Cars, Gossip, Therapy, Ass When kids can choose to leave school, stealing your car is no longer extra-curricular. How many of us would have stuck through school if we could simply have walked? That's not rhetorical. In a sense, kids CAN refuse to go. Many would rather cause trouble. |
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OK, and drinking does not burden the health system? Why not add the 50 cents to ever can of beer? Or bottle of wine??? And if you think the carbon monoxide that comes ciggies is worse then what spews from that old 72 olds in front of you, then you need to think again. |
earlier, it sounded like AKIRA. zzzrooom! hahah! i'm so cute. zzzrrroooooom!!! |
hah whatd you say patrick? everyone needs to eat no one needs to smoke? tell that to me next time im having a nic fit. ill sacrifice a breakfast burrito for a pack of smokes anyday. |
That honestly has to be the biggest fucking cat I've ever seen.... oh my god, what did it eat a fucking grayhound? |
but cigarettes, the way i see it is that the only way to ever make people stop is to educate them. if a person wants to smoke, let them smoke as long as they don't blow it in my face. what about homeschooling and unschooling? there are tons of kids that start out wanting to learn only to have the desire beaten out of them through years of bells and well-meaning teachers that don't have the time or resources to give each child the education they need. |
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socialization is a good thing pez. id say its a little more complex than saying "to have the desire beaten out of them through years of bells and well-meaning teachers that don't have the time" homeschooled kids are too often fucking weird (in a bad way). |
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I don't smoke but I don't begrudge people the right to do it if they like, but do they really think putting a big tax on cigs is going to make people quit? Ciggies are pumped full of other things besides tobacco to make them extra addictive. If the US Dept of Public Health is so concerned about the the 'health risk' and 'undue burden they put on the health system that EVERYONE pays for' why don't they make things like nicorette or the patch a free government program? Or better yet make cigarettes illegal? I mean, they do seem to be proven to be linked to killing you. What other food/drug do we allow to be sold over the counter like that? You can't even get coedine cough syrup without a prescription for chrissakes. The tax is just a way to screw smokers, then congratulate yourself about 'doing something for American health' - as if. I mean really now, who are the majority of people who'll you think will wind up paying this tax? A bunch of rich white guys or a bunch of poor minorities? DUR! |
school is not an institution built for socialization. what about little league and scouting? 4h and non-school classes? music groups? there are a lot of weird homeschoolers, but many are raised by religious-fanatic parents that teach them their abc's and bible stories. but as far as homeschooling success stories go, my old best friend about three years ago is eighteen and just got her bachelor's degree with honors in biology and harp. next year she'll be getting a third in flute. and she's not weird. |
If people quit, the government gets less money. It's designed to generate money in a way that is most publicly acceptable. Smoking is not terribly PC right now, so it's politically acceptable to tax it. |
What's wrong with weird? |
are you sure of this? im sure we all have our anecdotal homeschooling stories. thats not really the point though i have mine: the homeschooling kids i lived next door were isolated, sheltered, and got their "schooling" from VHS tapes. Their mother, who was not a certified teacher facilitated the "education". How can that be a "better" education. pez, how is public school not built for socializing? its absolutely made for socializing. Everything from the sports to drama dept, community art projects, student government etc etc. How is that not meant for socialization? Quality of education is one item. Socialization that homeschooling may or may not bea able to provide is another. |
Sheltered, yes. Isolated, sometimes. But so was I. I can't imagine being stuck with my parents all day every day until age 14. Horror. I wasn't really defending homeschooling. I was responding to Pez's description of the homeschooler who had the great grades and skills and wasn't weird. |
right now i'm continuing my education through "unschooling", by reading and completing projects. self-publishing, collaborating practicing and learning about subject that are generally unavailible to people attending school. i love the idea of school, just not the way it's done, a matter of my own opinion which i'd be happy if others shared but i can respect people who do not think the same way. |
While i think its great you're continuing your education, i also think you're missing out by not going to college or being taught in an academic environment. You miss out on a certain interaction. There are advantages to a classroom setting i believe. What subjects are "generally unavailable"? |
/sermonette |
that being said, i think homeschooling is difficult to do well. as the mother of an eight year old, i know that i would be doing a clear disservice to her by homeschooling. however, i've known others who responded very well to homeschooling and went on to kick ass later on in life. it's all about knowing what you are capable of as a parent, and being honest about your strengths and shortcomings. as far as college goes, i see the doors that my degree have opened for me since graduating. i also see dave, who is twice as intelligent as me, being denied opportunities because of his lack of formal education. i have reached the conclusion that college is one of those hoops that proves very helpful to jump through at some point in time in life. |
although, he states it much more absolute and bitter terms than i did. you're not going to be grumpy when you get home, are you hunny? |
its a conversation agatha, completely transparent. |
right now it's about discovering myself-- finding interests and subjects to focus on. moving out of my parents' home has opened up some new doors in my life: where to go and what i can do, mostly. i will admit that i participated in a few activities in school, namely band and writers' guild, i also performed in a play and trained in color guard and irish dance (though i was pulled by my parents before performance, having no control over transportation). never regarded school to be a social activity, but this opinion is a result of my own unpopularity that i was unable to shake in the public school system of petty suburbite adolecents. as far as finances go, i will never be as comfortable as some of my former classmates who have known their paths and stuck to them since Day One. once i know what to do i will do it, to the satisfaction of myself and no other, very few people know that they have this luxury availible and it's rather sad. but i'm intending to possible take two classes this fall-- caponeira and darkroom photography. |
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Cat, did you ever read "Getting Over It" by Anna Maxted? your sense of humor reminds me of the main character in that novel. |
But I'm doing a google search on it right now and if the main character is some sick twisted nasty-pants bitch, you and I are going to have a little chat. |
I must read it. She has good taste in furniture: http://www.homeportfolio.com/GetInspired/Celebrities/Authors/anna_maxted.jhtml |
Two words. Big Mac. And I am not sure that the chicken nuggets are really chicken. Or the filet of fish is REALLY fish |
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But that sounds so... HEALTHY. Now I'm scared. |
But that sounds so... HEALTHY. Now I'm scared. |
theres a great place (in Vegas and Phoenix too i think) called Tacos Mexico. sixty cents each. The best carne asada, carnitas, pollo and al pastor tacos intown. |
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I didn't even know they still had Jack in the Box. This is the problem with living in the NE. We don't even have Krispy Kreme yet, though maybe that's a good thing because if we did I'd survive only on hot glazed. |
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a link to a homeschooling links page bravo |
