a basic exorcism


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By crimson on Friday, December 8, 2000 - 11:34 pm:

    the weirdest fucking thing just happened to me.

    i was sitting here at the computer, posting something elsewhere on the net. i suddenly felt a very strong sensation of being stared at. it was excruciating. somebody was looking at me.

    i'm here alone.

    i turned around, and standing behind me was a white man with dark hair. very pale skin. unnaturally pale. he wore dark glasses and black slacks. he had a white shirt & a bizarre peach-colored jacket. he had sideburns. i looked right at him. i freaked, because i realized that somebody had gotten into my completely locked apartment.

    & then he disappeared. i'm not making this up. he began disintegrating from the feet up. his feet disappeared & his legs turned into two sharp points. then the rest of him turned into mist & just vanished.

    he was holding some sort of white ball in his hand.

    anyway, i don't even especially care who believes me or not. i just needed to post this someplace. i'm back online because i'm wigged out & need to do something to keep my mind off of what just happened.

    this is the second time we've had an apparition in this apartment.

    when this guy appeared, my pet mouse started jumping up & down insanely as if he were being electrically shocked.

    a little while after the man disappeared, a squealing noise started coming from my kitchen, followed by a small banging sound. that quickly disappeared, too.


By crimson on Saturday, December 9, 2000 - 02:29 am:

    i realize how weird this post must sound. but that's how it happened. i left the house for a while. i'm back & things seem calmer now. i still feel a bit creeped out about the whole thing, though.

    really, i don't see disappearing men every day. it was seriously weird. i got a full view of the guy & he disappeared right in front of my eyes. i got a really hot adrenaline rush when i saw him & i was shaky for quite a while afterward.


By Tom on Saturday, December 9, 2000 - 03:11 am:

    that's understandable. Is everything okay in your kitchen?

    You gonna survive w/o a heart attack?


By pez on Saturday, December 9, 2000 - 03:32 am:

    i remember playing with a ouija board with a friend (naomi..haven't seen her since the last concert) who also dabbled in the occult. suddenly, we both "heard" (not really heard, but a thought hearing...?) the garage door slam, the room became realy cold, and we felt a rather menacing presence. we watched each other for a moment..."did you hear that?" "do you feel that?" then raced upstairs to my bedroom...i found my candles and lit them while she cast a circle. the presence didn't attempt to follow us. then i realized i'd left my contact solution downstairs...she made me a protective sign to carry, and i began walking down the stairs...until i stopped. i could feel it, it didn't want to let me breathe...but i gathered my wits and stepped down, i heard an "ahhh..." a breeze moved through the house, and it was gone.

    how did it feel? was it attacking you, or just watching?


By Tom on Saturday, December 9, 2000 - 04:14 am:

    I wonder if everyone has one (or more) of these stories?

    heh. hand me the lighter fluid, kid. Let's tell ghost stories.

    *grin*


By dave. on Saturday, December 9, 2000 - 04:39 am:

    next time it happens, beat the hell out of it with a louisville slugger. you can usually get one at a thrift store for a couple bucks.

    i think you're trippin'. i've tripped some incredible stuff. trees chasing me: i mean these fucking trees were chasing me! it was great. of course, it never happened.

    or the time the creeping patterns became 3D and were ramming into me like a 3 foot high creeping hedge maze trying to knock me down. but i stayed up, dammit. that was also a blast. i could feel it on my legs, real tactile shit.

    or the big guy/small guy mushroom trip where i lost several hours having this perception that i was at one point huge, and then very small. over and over. i remember lumbering around, barely fitting in the room. i couldn't fit in the kitchen. then, i was tiny and very fast. i swear it was only about 15 or 20 minutes but the clock didn't lie. what was i doing all that time? nobody could tell me but they were all there.

    trippin.

    serotonin.


By Hal on Saturday, December 9, 2000 - 09:46 am:

    Ok... First rule about trippin... NEVER LOOK AT A CLOCK...

    Crimson, darlin I have no explination as to what you saw, or heard for that matter. I belive that if I saw that it would scare the living shit out of me, but then again me and dead people don't get along to well. You know me being alive and them being dead just kinda raises a barrier between us... In anycase get a cheap camera take a picture next time... Or get a tape recorder and tape the appartment while you sleep... Could find out some freaky shit... If I were you, I'd call Dan Akroyd, and Bill Murray.


By Isolde on Saturday, December 9, 2000 - 09:49 am:

    "You know me being alive and them beig dead just kinda raises a barrier betwee us."
    That's the funniest thing I've heard all week. Damn.
    I'm sorry you were so traumatized, though. That's no good. Maybe you should try and ask what's up next time you have some...less than expected vistors?


By Skooter on Saturday, December 9, 2000 - 12:05 pm:

    Crimson...You Better burn a sage stick in your house, walking around and speaking aloud about clearing any negative energy out.


By crimson on Saturday, December 9, 2000 - 01:29 pm:

    first thing i should probably clarify here is that i wasn't tripping. i was stone cold sober. not even drunk. hell, i haven't even touched a drop of alcohol since august & didn't have anything remotely resembling a drinking problem before that point.

    i was frighteningly, disgustingly sober.

    funny you should mention the sage. i had a native american friend stay here for a while, a friend who kept insisting that the energy of the place was fucked up & evil. i came home one night to find this friend going through my apartment w/ a smudge stick. some sage that had been harvested off the rez was burning in every room. my apartment was totally choked in sage smoke. after that, things did seem to calm down a bit.

    the other apparition that was seen here was seen years ago. it was a woman. she was sitting on a bed. she was only there briefly. she was sitting there plain as day. she was dressed in '60s type clothing, not hippie gear, but more 60s casual, like pedal-pushers. she had a bit of a bouffant hairdo. she said nothing, but just sat there. there was no sense of a threat. i waved hello to her.

    actually, there was no sense of a threat w/ last night's guy, either. i was terribly startled, though, to find him behind me. he was standing near my PA system & guitars, not far behind me. when i saw him i nearly broke the chair getting up out of it, because i thought i'd been broken in on. i didn't have any kind of weapon nearby & was afraid i'd need one. there have recently been murders here by people breaking into apartments. but then the man started to disappear & a whole new kind of fear sank into me. he looked straight ahead, though, & didn't seem to be implying a direct threat to me personally.

    i don't know why he was holding a white ball. a milky white ball, as if it were made of smooth polished moonstone. he cradled it in one palm.


By dave. on Saturday, December 9, 2000 - 02:09 pm:

    sounds cool.


By Hal on Saturday, December 9, 2000 - 10:03 pm:

    I was sure you wern't tripping, you would have known if you were... And I've never heard of alcohol doing that to a person. Nahh, what you saw you saw for one reason or another. And whatever the milky white ball meant, I'm fucking clueless...

    I'm interested in the sound from the kitchen.


By Isolde on Saturday, December 9, 2000 - 10:16 pm:

    Me too. I'm always interested about kitchen sounds.
    I bought new pants today, I love love love love them.


By Nate on Saturday, December 9, 2000 - 10:59 pm:

    what do you know about the place you live in?

    could it be residiuals?


By crimson on Saturday, December 9, 2000 - 11:11 pm:

    so, tell us all about your new pants. color, texture, etc. don't keep us in suspense.

    i don't have any new pants. but i have a new bracelet. my husband bought it for me in the middle of the night. it's silver w/ shiny red jewels. it also has glittering blue & bronze tones. one of those pieces of jewelry that's visible from approximately 5 miles away. tres groovy.

    the white ball kind of flipped me out for some reason. & the color of the man's coat was very odd. the main sound from the kitchen was a weird squealing noise. i was cooking at the time & it sounded like something in the pan was crying out in pain. believe me when i say that i wasn't cooking anything that was alive at the time. then there was a banging sound & it was over.

    after it happened, i talked w/ pug on the phone. he stayed on the line w/ me until his taxi came (he works the graveyard shift). he came over this morning to make sure i was OK. pilate came by, too. they're sweethearts, they really are.

    not that it has jack shit to do w/ anything, but i finally got around to adding some new links to my goofy site:

    http://cherrycanyon.com/members/absinthe/cringe.html

    note that it's hosted on a porn site w/ ads the size of toronto, for those of you who'd rather not access such nastiness.


By crimson on Saturday, December 9, 2000 - 11:13 pm:

    as for the place i live in, i can tell you this: i live next to a hugeass cemetery. my husband has serious doubts that the burials stop at the iron gates. which means that our entire apartment complex is built on a burial ground.


By Isolde on Saturday, December 9, 2000 - 11:36 pm:

    Cherry Canyon?
    I might have guessed. My new pants are grey with pinstripes, they are asspants, I love them. I will wear them tommorrow, I think. They are very comfy, and for once I don't have to roll up the bottom buff six inches. And they're wool, and oh so soft, and...yum. I adore them. So do other people, apparently.


By crimson on Saturday, December 9, 2000 - 11:52 pm:

    sounds like a most righteous pair of trousers, indeed.

    cherry canyon. yeah. it's a fantastically easy site to edit on, which is a plus for me. truth is, i didn't want to end up on a porn site but i had to move my links pages off tripod for several compelling reasons. the main reason involved a bunch of whiners who were trying to get me censored off the net. the second problem involves tripod's "improved" editing program, which crashes my computer every time i access it. the tripod site's still up, but hasn't been updated in ages, because i can't even access it.


By Isolde on Sunday, December 10, 2000 - 12:00 am:

    It's quite a maze of links, I like the dead porn star one. It's really confusing though, I'm not really sure where to start.
    Do you think you'll organize them all at some point?
    They are very righteous trousers, I feel like someone special in them.


By crimson on Sunday, December 10, 2000 - 12:20 am:

    i don't know if i'll ever get around to organizing them. my initial idea was to organize the links, but it wasn't working out. some stuff fit into multiple categories & some didn't fit into any category at all. it's easier to just drop the links on the site & let everybody else sort them out.

    i've got some more to add. don't know if i'll get to it tonight, though.

    the links are just part of an ongoing hobby for me. i've always been obsessed w/ kook-hunting. i like finding the odd shit online. before i got online, i used to collect fringe writings & that sort of thing. i've got some really strange stuff, most of it religious. i just love knowing that the weirdos are out there. it gives me hope.


By pez on Sunday, December 10, 2000 - 02:18 am:

    must be creepy. i love cemetaries, they're so peaceful, but you have to be careful. i never hold my breath, but i try not to step on anyone...respect, y'know.

    i used to go camping with my parents and sister to this town called bay center, on a peninsula on willippa bay, washington. the second year we camped there, my sister and i went to the cemetary. i found a grave of a little girl, ten years old, who died on her birthday. my birthday. gave me the heebie-jeebies.

    be careful, and don't invite strangers in.


By crimson on Sunday, December 10, 2000 - 07:52 am:

    i also love hanging out in cemeteries. the one i live next to is cool, but has seen a rise in vandalism over the years. tombstones have been sledgehammered & other stones have been blasted w/ blue spray paint.

    i think that cemetery vandalism is the lowest of the low.

    i've had several people tell me that there are "demons" in the cemetery i live by. some locals have seen strange humanoid figures popping out from behind trees. i've been told this by multiple people, in conversations years apart, who had no contact w/ each other. i've spent a lot of time in that cemetery & haven't seen anything like that.

    it's a peaceful cemetery, but i do get a weird feeling about this one area where a group of catholic monks are buried. there's something strange about that part of the cemetery, but i can't put my finger on it.


By Isolde on Sunday, December 10, 2000 - 09:14 am:

    Cemetaries are very neat. There's a town next to me that has two, that's exciting. I like to go and read in them, because people really don't tend to bother me, unless there's a funeral.
    I wonder why the cemetary would be disturbed around Catholic monks? Were they sinful monks?


By Hal on Sunday, December 10, 2000 - 09:27 am:

    I ran away once, my father pushed me too hard one day and I snapped, and I just took off... I needed to think things over, so I went for a city wide walk. About 2 blocks from the house I split from there is a golf course and after that a huge cemetary. It was peacefull, never really got any weird feelings except peace. I don't know made me want to sit and think for a long while.

    Although I had that feeling while walking through it on a nice fall day, everytime I drive by it at night, no matter what the season or what the day is like I get this strange "I'm not alone and I have to crap my pants now." feeling.

    I could use some new pants, I'm running frightfully low on clothes at all, I think thats what I want for christmas clothes...


By Hal on Sunday, December 10, 2000 - 09:28 am:

    Did I just say I wanted clothes for christmas...

    What the hell is wrong with me...

    Damn I think this means I might be growing up, I wanted to be a 6 year-old my entire life...


    Fuck.


By Isolde on Sunday, December 10, 2000 - 09:30 am:

    I got new pants...la la la...I love them.
    I ran away once too, but it was in the woods, so it's not really applicable to this discussion.
    I remember we used to go out and drink in the cemetary, there was the section for pauper's graves, and we would sit and drink and talk to the graves. It was very nice, actually, which really surprised me--I would have expected wrath. I liked those graves, there were about 10 of them and they were all scruffy and sad, and sometimes I would put flowers on them, because no one else did. I felt sorry for them, all alone.


By crimson on Sunday, December 10, 2000 - 10:07 am:

    i put flowers on strangers' graves, too. i remember going to a rural arkansas graveyard. it was right after memorial day & every single grave was decorated w/ bright flowers...except for one. it was conspicuously devoid of flowers. the stone had a star of david on it. it was the grave of a rather young jewish man who died around 1920 or so. apparently the locals didn't think it was appropriate to put flowers on a non-christian grave. but i did. i put some red roses there.


By sarah on Monday, December 11, 2000 - 12:48 am:


    um, crimson? did you ever see Amityville Horror? i know it was just a movie. but it seems that your apartment already has tenants. not that i think your life is in any danger, but my point is, if i were you, i'd GET THE HELL OUT OF THAT APARTMENT PRONTO.



By pez on Monday, December 11, 2000 - 03:11 am:

    maybe not get out, but put some restrictions on your activities. don't use ouija boards or hold seances. i remember reading a story about a girl who held a seance followed by ouija in mcminnville or something (rural oregon, begins with "m")...she ended up with a poltergeist who threw furniture and stuff. but if you treat the dead with respect, they should stay at least non-threatening. maybe if you tried working on the spray paint, trying to spruce it up a little, there'd be less activity.

    as for exorcisms, they're dangerous. most of these people have no clue who you are or why they're here. just make it easier for them, 'k?


By dave. on Monday, December 11, 2000 - 03:36 am:

    multnomah? mist? medford?
    madras, mapleton, medford, merlin, milton-freewater, milwaukie, molalla, monmouth, monroe, murphy, myrtle point?

    huh?


By crimson on Monday, December 11, 2000 - 09:01 am:

    i haven't held a seance since i was about 18 (& it was rigged...i was purposely trying to scare the crap out of someone & succeeded beyond my wildest dreams).

    my few experiences w/ a ouija board were rather surreal. had a pretty twisted experience w/ one when i was about 15 or so. i was visiting an orphanage where some friends lived & had some unusual experiences during a ouija session there. the stereo suddenly turned itself on & a very strong, cold wind suddenly blasted through a window on a calm, warm evening that had nearly no breeze before. it blew out our only source of light, a candle.

    i've posted on this site before about this one place i lived where things were infinitely worse than my present apartment. it was a large house divided into apartments & truly weird shit happened throughout the house. as if the supernatural shit weren't enough at that place, real-life events were getting equally bizarre. a serial rapist was going around the area raping girls & in a couple of cases, murdering them & sawing off their arms. body parts were being found in dumpsters. almost all of these cases were not reported by the newspapers because the local colleges thought it would alarm parents. almost all of these events went unreported, especially the rapes (including a really twisted one that happened right in my own dorm room just before i moved in...the girl who lived there was raped. the 3 guys who did it decided to come back for more after i'd moved in, but i was able to escape & get hold of the cops).

    also, at the apartment (which i'd moved into to get out of that dorm room), this guy started stalking me & painted my name on my door in some dripping, blood-like substance. he could often be seen standing under my window in the middle of the night, just standing there in the yard, looking up at my window. i'd push back the drapes at 2:00 AM, & there he'd be. another guy, a blind date, trapped me in my apartment all night & begin raving nonstop about wanting to make a snuff film. he kept going on about how he'd get me off sexually like no other man had...& insinuated that if i didn't let him, the snuff film would be the next stop--he'd kidnap me & take me to mexico for a little torture & murder session. meanwhile, on the psychic front, i watched dishes break themselves, watched shapes crawling underneath my bedsheets, & heard endless 24/7 stomping in my walk-in closet. very few people would come visit me because folks were afraid of being in that apartment. it was notorious. even harcore skeptics like pilate & my husband became believers in supernatural phenomena after being in that apartment. my husband watched the figures twisting & crawling in my bedsheets & he still talks about how creepy that was. pilate was there when a plate flew w/ unbelievable force into the kitchen wall & shattered. no place i've lived since then, including this one, has been that screwed up.


By Skooter on Monday, December 11, 2000 - 11:56 am:

    It is my firm belief, as a practicing pagan and Celtic witch, that there is some things out there that we can not see with the part of the mind that we use on a regular basis. Remember that we only use a tiny fraction of our brain capacity at any one time. Some people have the "gift" of being able to use more that, and are able to see and experience things that nomal people cannot. The apartment where you live may very well be "haunted" by the pain and sorrow of other people who lived in that area. The most important thing is to keep an open mind. For goodness sakes, never "invite" evil spirits into your house by playing with a Ouija or by any other means.
    Crimson, your story gave me the creeps. I belive that once I was possesed by a spirit that almost killed me, as I went into a rage and find my self walking off a pier and into the freezing waters of Lake Superior, thank goodness I knew how to swim. That was from a Ouija borad, and I don't fuck with those any more.


By patrick on Monday, December 11, 2000 - 12:38 pm:

    i love reading your posts crimson.


    i also MUST admit the desire to "say you are full of shit"....i've refrained for along time because i didn't want to offend you, and I certainly have no proof you are full of shit or not. Most likely you arent, but I least wanted to say it.

    whether or not your story, or ANY of your stories for that matter, are true, i still like reading them.

    i lived next to an Old, old cemetary in Raleigh. Confederate soldiers are buried there its so old. Creepy shit definitely went on there. Moreover it was the first place Nico took me to make out.....


By J on Monday, December 11, 2000 - 12:58 pm:

    I use to take a shortcut from that old house in Milton W.V. I use to live in,it was built before the civil war,through an old cemetary to get to the highway to thumb it to Charelston.The cemetary never bothered me a bit,I always say,"those" people will never hurt you. This talk of Ouija boards does upset me,brings back an odd memory.I had got one once when I was around 12 or 13,mostly just for playing with at sleepovers,something to scare you so you stay up all night.Nothing ever happened with it,so I just kept it in a box in my closet,shortly before we moved back to W.V.,when my father was dying,I saw him messing with it.When we packed up and moved I put it in a box,and it was in my Aunt's attic for about 2 years before my mom went back there and got our stuff,when I took it out of the box there were two of them.


By semillama on Monday, December 11, 2000 - 01:05 pm:

    Now Crimson moves to the top of my non-existent list of sorabjiites I would like to hang out with. I'd be damn interested to see how my presence would affect the goings-on in your place. Generally, my presence tends to squelch any supernatural happens. (I sort of take it personally.) I have seen a few weird "spirit" things, but nothing that I would say were definitely not somebody fucking with the rest of us. The first house I shared with Mavis was supposedly haunted, according to here and a friend of hers (who I do not now consider a reliable source), but I never noticed anything that could not be attributed to a hundred-year-old house settling. THere was a creepy litle room in the back of theattic with kid's drawings in crayon all over the wall, but nothing too weird. Ouija boards always fail to work when I am around. It's probably because I am a scientist, even though I have an open mind about these things, almost to the point of Mulderism ("I want to Believe").


By patrick on Monday, December 11, 2000 - 01:21 pm:

    im like you. I want to believe, but i have had no convincing experiences. I WANT to experience something like what Crimson experienced. The wife has had experiences. I have come to the conclusion that women are more acute to these types of events. Apparently women are more sensitive to these types of things.....and we could mix in all sorts of spiritual ideas about women being more sensitive in many ways....but have any of you known women to be more sensitive to these types of things?


    I WANT to see an apparition...i really do, Im fascinated by it all. My favorite ghost story has to be the Bell Witch. If ou have nevcer read that story, do so....it can be found easily..the site i think is bellwitch.org or something like that.

    Fucking creepy.


By Isolde on Monday, December 11, 2000 - 01:31 pm:

    Come visit me in California, Patrick. You'll see all the ghosts you want to.


By patrick on Monday, December 11, 2000 - 01:36 pm:

    im not convinced its that easy.


By Hal on Monday, December 11, 2000 - 03:04 pm:

    Shit, I want to meet both Crimson and Isolde... Not that I don't want to meet damn near everyone I've had some argument or conversation with here...


    Crimson, you suddenly have this magic way of making me look over my shoulder while I'm typing... I just woke up, I come in I read that, and now I'm all fucking freaked out... Damn, and it was shaping up to be a nice hangover ridden morning, fuck I hate graveyard shifts... (yes I do work graveyards, but that was a pun.)

    Crimson, have you ever considered a vacation.... possibly to some nice european country... Maybe say, oh I don't know, The Vatican?


By semillama on Monday, December 11, 2000 - 04:22 pm:

    I have noticed that women seem to experience this stuff more. Skooter and my freind Thor are the only guys I know off the top of my head who have..wait, no, there was Joel, Fynewever and Eric who experienced a Poltergeist that pushed their car up an incline at the haunted amusement park.

    Really, it WAS a haunted amusement park, there was a nasty electrocution there in the 20's, there is nothing left on the surface now...

    I have seen the amazing Paulding Light of Paulding, Michigan. An unexplained "ghost" light like a will o' the wisp that can be seen about every night along an old railroad grade in the UP.


By crimson on Monday, December 11, 2000 - 04:40 pm:

    the vatican? hmmm...never thought about it. i'm afraid i'm not vatican material, except maybe as fodder for endless sermons on moral decay.

    i'm complimented by the couple of people who've suggested they'd like to hang out w/ me. pilate & i were laughing the other day about the fact that when people here talk about getting together, NOBODY ever mentions me as someone they'd like to meet.

    patrick, i've got no reason to sit here telling a bunch of lies. i do have a life. i've a few hundred better things to do w/ my time than to sit around making up totally bogus posts. i'm telling you what happened in each & every case. believe it or don't. it's no skin off my ass one way or the other.

    admittedly, i started wondering about myself when i started having multiple cases of psychic phenomena. the old apartment house i mentioned earlier, the one w/ the flying dishes, was more than anybody should have to deal w/ in a lifetime. there were several places i lived in after that where nothing happened at all. but this place is starting to heat up in terms of supernatural activity.

    an old friend of mine has it much worse. she lived downstairs from me in the hell-apartment & had a lot of apparitions, one of which predicted the death of one of her animals. the animal died for no apparent reason soon after the apparition disappeared. this apparition was also seen by an avowed skeptic (who isn't a skeptic anymore). anyway, my friend's psychic noise has followed her everywhere. she now lives in a house that seriously gives me the creeps (no offense to her) & seems to have 24/7 psychic activity. at least i have breaks from time to time.

    understand that this isn't happening in a vacuum. it affects other people besides me. we have audio phenomena here, which my husband & other people have plainly heard. my husband was king of the skeptics until he got together w/ me & saw for himself. pilate was a skeptic too. pilate believes now, because he's seen it for himself.

    the weirdest psychic "group encounter" i've had is when a whole room full of people on a college campus--quite a few of them total strangers--saw an elongated humanoid figure hovering over my head. everybody suddenly gasped & pointed toward the ceiling. a few people actually shrieked. when they described the figure, it was one that had been seen in my apartment by myself and several other people. i can't make up shit like that. the entity was there & it was seen by people who have no reason to lie, people who don't even fucking know me. they were genuinely freaked out.


By patrick on Monday, December 11, 2000 - 05:24 pm:

    like i said i didnt call you a liar......but you must admit, the stories, the accounts , the recollections....your posts on the whole lend themselves to a very bizarre and extreme life.....


    you always have the most extreme case scenario.....


    as i said, i have no way of proving or disproving....and i dont really care to...that wasnt my point.

    for all we know, you could be a fiction writer testing new work....who knows who cares, as I said for the most part i enjoy reading your accounts. false or not.....so

    with that in mind, carry on......



By crimson on Monday, December 11, 2000 - 06:13 pm:

    that's cool. i make occasional posts about some extreme case scenarios, but life is just fucking like that sometimes. especially for me. wish i could report that everything was smooth & easy. but then, i really WOULD be a liar.

    if i were posting fiction, it would be much weirder, don't you think?

    there are days when nothing weird happens to me at all. hell, there are months like that. everything's calm & peaceful. which is great. i'm a calm & peaceful person. i hate it when events or people seemingly conspire to shatter my calmness.

    any weird childhood memories i post about stem largely from the fact that all i wanted as a kid was to be left the fuck alone. nobody could honor that. not adults & not other kids. my only emotional revenge is to keep telling the stories, to not be a nice girl & shut up about it. i was never a tattletale as a kid, but i do reserve the right, as an adult, to tell stories of people who brutalized me when i was weak.

    as for the psychic stuff, i wish it would back off. however, i do like having a certain "spidey sense" about people or events...that certain something that gives me a slight bit of psychic insight. nobody will ever mistake me for cleo, the TV psychic. but i do have a nice bit of intuition sometimes.


By Fetidbeaver on Monday, December 11, 2000 - 10:30 pm:

    The older you get, the more bizarre experiences you have to talk about. I use to tell all of the bizarre experiences I have lived through. The problem is people think you're a bullshitter. When I first started dating my wife I would tell her one of my stories. She didn't tell me until latter that she thought I was full of shit. She changed her mind after being around me all the time and experiencing it first hand.


By Hal on Monday, December 11, 2000 - 10:48 pm:

    And again Crimson... I wake up, come here read something...

    I do want to meet you, but your making it hard not to fear my life in the encounter...

    God I'm tired and depressed... I think that if I could avoid the problems I have with my G/F right now, I would humm let me see be glad to see all the shit you do Crimson???


    Yeah that sounds about right.


By pez on Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 01:59 am:

    i used to hear people calling my name, over and over, while i walked to the grocery store about 2-3 years ago. i was a pretty screwed-up kid at the time, but this was just weird. and then there's the skull man.

    two years ago, i received a parakeet for christmas. it was doing just fine, a lively little bird, and within about two weeks it would let me hold it for a little while. then one night, about a week before my birthday (it's only a month after christmas), i came home from a basketball game (i played pic in the pep band) and a dance, and the bird was lying on the bottom of the cage, dead. it hadn't been sick or anything. i left the room and didn't come back until my dad took the cage away. it was that night that i saw the skull man for the first time.

    lying in bed that night, i saw a man in my room. he stood about a foot away from my reclining body, solemn and quiet. knowing i'd sound crazy if i spoke to him aloud (my dad is a total sceptic and my mom used to be convinced that i'd go to hell), i asked a question in my head: "who are you?" he didn't answer. just disappeared.

    over the course of a few months, i saw him many times. after a while, i stopped asking who he was and began demanding him to leave me alone. he'd follow me anywhere and everywhere he chose. i didn't know what to do. was i crazy? was i hallucinating?

    i don't see him anymore. it's been a year and half since i last saw him, at least.

    i should probably give a description, because this uy was weird-looking. he was tanned, possibly native american. he wore a green cloth wound around his shoulders and fastened with an ornate pin. i never saw his face, because he wore a mask: imagine two skulls, minus the lower jaw, fused together at the eye. he gazed out from the nose holes, and had two horns protuding from his two foreheads. i drew an accurate drawing of him once, but it was lost around the time he disappeared.


By Hal on Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 02:22 am:

    Screwy


By Tom on Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 05:58 am:

    screwy indeed. Sounds like a possible version of the green man.


By pez on Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 02:01 pm:

    that's what i thought for a while. and then i took into account the parakeet thing. i asked if he was the green man, he said yes. another time when i was really scared, i asked if he was a demon. he said yes.

    one time i asked what he did. he replied "protection".


By heather on Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 08:22 pm:

    green man?


By Isolde on Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 08:35 pm:

    A pagan earth spirit who represents fertility, protection, etc.
    Or...something wannabe pagans talk about a lot.


By Tom on Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 09:31 pm:

    *shrug* don't know any of those. Wait. that's not true. Northern California is teeming with wannabe pagans. People who try to "smudge" my house whattabunchamorons.

    Regardless of what such people think, the green man is your own personal grinch. He's a very common "hallucination," usually carrying messages for you straight outta your pineal gland. An expression of part of the self that most selves underrepresent. Cernunnos, "little green men," goblins: all him/it.

    Should I trip now on the stupidity of modern "pagans" and Wiccans? nah. In some ways, you have to sorta respect 'em. People too driven to see a dumb idea for what it is, they piece together this "religion" out of bits and pieces of other religions, laboring on about "tradition," and how long this religion has been in practice, (which is total bullshit; Wicca is an invention of the 90s. Sure, some of their beliefs and ideas are really old, but so's the belief that murder is wrong, that life is a cycle, that earth is our parent. Putting it all together as an "organized religion," calling it "craft," and marketing it ... purely modern. They want to practice the "old ways?" Fine. I want some human sacrifices!) then use it as a platform to suppose their superiority to everyone else, all the while squawking about "those awful Christians, always trying to put us down." Like Goths, or Punks, or Anarchists, or any dogmatic group. No two "Pagans" (I love that word; it doesn't mean ANYTHING.) practice their religion in the same way, and each "witch" is always sure that s/he's the one with the true knowledge, the one who really had the big experience.

    I keep hoping that there really are some wise old wiccans out there, but I haven't met 'em yet.

    that was fun.


By semillama on Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 11:20 am:

    Actually, wicca dates to the 50s. So it's possible to meet folks who have been practicing it their whole lives.

    And of course, I dare you to find anyone who practices their religion the exact same was as anyone else.

    You also seem sure of your own knowledge about what the Green Man represents, similar to a witch being sure of the "true knowledge"?


By patrick on Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 11:56 am:

    from time to time, the mrs. claims to see an aura around me, especially when we first started dating. she claimed she saw green. i told her it was my dazzling baby green eyes. im not sure she bought it. im not sure i bought it. nonetheless......love them alcohol right?


By crimson on Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 12:31 pm:

    i never could quite get into the whole wicca thing. some of my friends are pagans, though. my best friend is really gung-ho about it & has been for many years. i know folks who've been pagans since the '60s at least. if i were going to get heavily into occultism, i'd probably go into ceremonial magick, instead. less sweetness n' light.

    i remember reading gerald gardner's very popular books on paganism when i was quite young & remember liking them. i'm not sure what i'd think now. those books really helped kick off the trend toward modern paganism. i think they were written in the 1950s.

    i don't (& never did) believe in the pagan "law of three"--that any bad energy you give out comes back to you threefold. people go on about being "white witches" & only doing good spells. if you're going to be a goody-two-shoes about it, why not just join the baptist church & be done w/ it? at least my satanist friends will admit to having a dark side to balance out their sunshine & light.

    however, i did grow up practicing southern voodoo. it was quite common. most of the kids i hung out w/ in school carried a mojo bag & knew how to do basic spells. people just knew, as a matter of course, what a high john root was for, or how to use cleo may, hotfoot, has no hanna, crown of success, lucky prophet & other "psychic" powders & oils. old people could work voodoo cures w/ cobwebs. then again, the old ones also believed that you could stop storms w/ an ax. you do a spell burying the ax in your yard w/ the sharp edge facing the coming storm. the ax splits the storm in half, so it'll do less damage to your house.


By Isolde on Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 12:38 pm:

    I've never really bought into the modern pagan movement--a lot of them are all into being goody two shoes, as you say, and a lot of them seem to pretend to be all spiritual, but...I don't know. The people who spell magic with a k and wander about proclaiming their fairy-ness (with all too many e's inserted) irritate me. I know a few people who practice paganism, or whatever you want to call it, whom I respect, because they aren't in my face about it. They do their thing, I do mine, and they don't need to proclaim their spirituality every minute. But they seem to be the minority, the rest of the people I know who are wiccan or pagan go around saying "oh, I _guess_ I can work a spell to make the traffic light turn green." It's really tiresome and dumb. the people who are the most "magical" are the ones who don't need to share it with us all the time, I guess.
    I wasn't around very much voodoo, so I don't know a lot about it...it would have been interesting to grow up in the South, I think.


By crimson on Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 01:08 pm:

    i don't mind the spelling of "magic" w/ a "k" because it's merely a simple convention of spelling. it was meant to separate occultism from stage magic, so that when you say you practice magic, dumbshits don't ask you to pull a rabbit out of your hat.

    growing up in the south is weird. & the voodoo thing is oddly regional. i've transferred to various regions within the south & met people who'd never heard of voodoo.

    one thing that put me right off about paganism was the whole "mother goddess" idea. as if god the father weren't spooky enough, there are all these people getting starry-eyed about a mother goddess. why do people always want to turn deities into parent figures? as if the average parent isn't spooky, abusive & intimidating enough, now people go around creating gods in their image to perpetuate & sanctify the whole bogus "family" concept. blecch.


By patrick on Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 01:26 pm:

    voodoo is primarily akin to the delta in and around MS and LA if im not mistaken.

    I have un confirmed theory on why that is. ( isay unconfirmed meaning, i have never read this in a scholarly text, but damn if it doesnt make sense) I tend to think that when the French first colonized that region, that had made their way through the carribean, where voodoo is heavily practiced, the french picked up some natives along the way and brough them here in the gulf and MS delta.

    I noticed something growing up in atlanta. actually more in my adult life...we lived in a primarily black neighborhood. anyway the kids all loved nico, she was always sweet and giving the kids toys candy and what not, whenever we came home from work. her perfume and red hair always seemed to fascinate them. anyway whenever they would come over to our apartment, to receive candy or whatnot she had on hand..they were scared to death of our cats, they would stand at the door and peek...and well the cat obviously sensed this fear and was even more sneaky and peered even harder. VERY superstitious kids, even more susperstitious parents. One of cats in particular is almost all black, and man i have never seen genuine fright like that. Even the mother.....(obviously where the kids got it from). This SEEMED more predominant amongst my black neighbors....actually, all of them, except one, who was collge and army educated computer nerd from the Bronx. the mother and 4 kids in particular were high school educated, from small town southern GA.....sweet people but damn superstitious.


By crimson on Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 02:01 pm:

    voodoo is big in the delta (where i've definitely spent some time), but it's big in other areas, as well. it's big in certain northern cities, like chicago. when i was younger, a lot of the voodoo supply catalogs used to come out of chicago. there used to be a great catalog from a company called "valmor" that sold voodoo supplies, inexpensive jewelry & hairdressing products.

    one interesting thing about southern-style voodoo is the cultural mixing involved. african style magic is freely mixed w/ jewish & pennsylvania dutch traditions, just to name a few. nowdays, things are getting mixed up w/ santeria. it's a total mixed bag.


By Hal on Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 02:21 pm:

    AHHHH, too much to read... Is it bad that I just skipped to the bottom of all of that?

    I've been up to long, just don't feel like reading right now... And hey I'm starting to see stuff too.. Although unlike your apparations Crimson, mine are just hallucinations from sleep deprivation... Hell I've even started to talk to stuffed animals..

    And I know thats not really strange. What is strange though, is when they talk back.


By semillama on Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 03:07 pm:

    The absolutely most pathetic new age-religion types, in my book, are the peole who have convinced themselves taht they have the souls of elves or fairies or dragons. I stumbled across them through the Portal of Evil archives, in the Losers section. That entire section does wonders for one's self-esteem, let me tell ya.


By Daniel ssss on Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 04:21 pm:

    Oh I am not going to post this, but, I am not going to do this.

    Heather, tell us what you know of the Green Man ... the spirit of the woods, of trees, of nature itself, usually the watered down image and counterpart of the female Mother Nature. In the broadest sense.He is very often portrayed as feet/roots, hair/leaves, he is found in the forest, and is the guardian of all natural animals and plants in particular (slow moving animals...)

    In preChristian mythology of the Celtic peoples, sometimes associated with Sweeney, or the Wildman of the forests: The Green Man is archetype. Sometimes referred to and confused with the man on the Gundestrop Cauldron, a shaman image from very early protoceltic times captured in metalwork of a more recent working. This is the Lord of the Animals, where the Green Man has more to do with Lord of all Green Things.

    The Green Man according to some British not Irish Celtic traditions is an old image who brings gifts at the winter solstice. He is the male embodiment of the life force of green and growing things, and is celebrated in carvings and representations all over the world as a symbol of emergence from the death of winter into the new life of spring. He most closely associated with the Wonder Child stories of which the Christmas story is one version.

    The Hulk is a caricature easily accessible to most young persons, as the frightening and power force of brute nature. The Green Man however harsh and strong is gentle and life giving. Neither wiccan nor pagan, the Green Man is life itself. And he is not prone to reveal himself even when provoked.

    One may futilly search many green spaces and in seeking, find him elusive. In being attentive, humble, and patient, and not expecting such a direct revelation, he is most often glimpsed. He may look more like a plant than a human, and looks like Native American to Native American, and like a European to a European, a Mongolian to a Mongolian. Precursers of Santa Claus have their roots in the Green Man, in fact, early Old Man Christmas had a garland of leaves about his head...and animals peeking out his pockets...and plants in his sack.

    Another modern Irish tale "Bricriu"s Feast" you will find the basis for the Green Man of Sherwood Forest, Robin Hood battling the evil Sherriff for the hand of the Spring Maiden. This is very old stuff.

    I dunno much about him. Quot estis in convivo.


By SkooterProudPagan on Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 04:30 pm:

    Hey Tom...I have just about had enough of your oh so self assured asshole tendencys. Just because you can't get into a religion, doesn't mean that you have to sterotype all people that follow it. And believe me, if I thought you were any threat to my way of life with your closed minded protestant mind set, I would set the Godess on your shit so fast. But you are like dust in the wind, so heed my advice and blow me.


By pez on Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 04:40 pm:

    i'm not really a pagan or anything (i have no clue exactly what i believe...i guess that would make me a pantheist) but i've read some books. i think wicca/paganism is about self-empowerment, being an individual and making good decisions. with these three qualities, it seems to take a religious form. many people who call themselves witches are merely spiritualists.

    i admit, the occult is facinating, but the best spell for making the light turn green is waiting. chanting or something just makes the wait seem shorter. there's nothing wrong with it.


By patrick on Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 05:17 pm:

    i need to see the green man, im almost out.


By Dougie on Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 06:16 pm:

    So Crimson, have you seen any of these voodoo spells actually work? Have you cast any yourself?


By crimson on Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 07:18 pm:

    yes, i've cast them myself & i've had them work. of course, sometimes they don't always work. it's a crapshoot, like anything else.

    it may be a coincidence (it probably IS a remarkable set of coincidences), but i've had good luck w/ a certain type of spell designed to get rid of negative people. i don't use it very often because it takes a lot out of me. but i'm considering doing it again because my neighbors are becoming fucking intolerable. it's one of many types of spells in which powders or oils are thrown in the yard or doorway of the offending party. it's a track spell...you want your target to step into the magically charged powder & track it into their homes.

    it sounds like horseshit, right? but i've had it work in inexplicable ways. i got rid of several college students in the middle of a semester. i got rid of my upstairs neighbors in this very apartment complex (unfortunately, another 14-karat asshole moved in right behind them). i've gotten rid of other people, too, & my best friend got rid of a man who sued her using a similar spell. these people just fucking MOVE for no apparent reason.

    i had great luck w/ a different kind of spell once. i, myself, needed to disappear once, but i was under contractural obligation & couldn't leave the area. or so i thought. i did the spell & it inexplicably came up that the papers binding me to this certain place had never actually been signed. they THOUGHT i signed them, but i didn't. everything worked together in unbelievable, uncanny ways to enable me to leave the state within a week & there was nothing that anybody could do to me, as much as they wanted to.

    i've mojo'd men before & gotten them into bed. i've worked love spells for other people. i've also worked healing spells, all sorts of things. i've also done seal magic for success in competitions i needed to make a good showing in, w/ pretty good results.

    i also know of a spell involving eating the intestines of a black cat, but i've never tried that one.


By Magical Mystery Tom on Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 12:22 am:

    Hey, Skooter:

    All discordians are people who are so insecure that they hide behind a religion which allows them to be wishy-washy.

    and, as we know:

    All generalizations are false.

    So Skooter wins free oral sex. congrats.

    Um... what makes me protestant?

    I try not to have a closed mind, but occasionally it just snaps shut, and this may well have been one of those times. If so, I apologize. Will you allow me to rephrase the above rant? All passages pertaining to "Pagans," should be prefaced with "Now, this only goes for the "pagans," "wiccans," and "witches," that I personally have met, seen, read, or heard, and only for 99% of them.

    You can actually sic the goddess on someone? that's neat shit. I'm really tempted to ask to see this. In fact (and I may be signing my death warrant here), out of pure curiousity, and (truthfully) not the least bit of malice, would you doso? please? I'm serious.

    I always sorta imagined "the goddess" as being the same thing as "the force." It will do your bidding, but it is also your master.

    Crazy.

    I still maintain that modern "Paganism" is not at all like the druidic or Earth Worshipping or Sun worshipping or Shamanistic religions from many years ago, which most of the Pagans I know claim they take their practices from.

    In this modern day, there's too much respect for individuality and "self" for those sorts religions to have much relevance.

    All the same, I probably did make some nasty generalizations. Maybe you're one of those wise Wiccans I hope to meet? then again, maybe not, if the first reaction to a possible threat is to bear down on them with the threat of smackdown.

    Oh. Sem wins free oral sex too, just 'cause I like him.


By semillama on Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 08:28 am:

    Can I pick who I recieve it from?


By Gee on Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 02:44 pm:

    I'm sorry but Semillama won't be receaving any oral sex from anyone. he will remain under my bed away from all warm receptacles until you all admit that I'M CUTE!


By semillama on Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 03:32 pm:

    Memo to sorabjites:

    Please admit Gee is cute.

    Thank you.


By patrick on Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 04:00 pm:

    sem you are cute all tucked away underneath her bed like that.


By pez on Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 05:03 pm:

    ooh...sem's under the bed...*giggle*


By semillama on Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 05:15 pm:

    It doesn't matter if I am cute, it matters if Gee is cute.


By patrick on Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 05:25 pm:

    Gee has never shared her picture, its terribly hard to judge.....however that potty shot of you is SOOOOO dahling!!!!!!


By semillama on Friday, December 15, 2000 - 08:36 am:

    Gee, it's about time you put up a photo somewhere...


By Hal on Friday, December 15, 2000 - 09:36 am:

    I must agree...

    Can't admit someone is cute unless I see them, if I admit prematurly, then I could be held accountable for it later.


By Nate on Friday, December 15, 2000 - 12:36 pm:

    i have a naked photo of gee. i need to return it to her.


By patrick on Friday, December 15, 2000 - 12:52 pm:

    baby pics not allowed.....


By Pilate on Saturday, December 16, 2000 - 05:04 am:

    This doesn't have anything to do with Gee's cuteness, although I'm sure she's a peach.

    Pardon me while I lapse into babbling insomniac mode.

    Got three kids at my house right now. My son's there, of course. His best friend, Violet, will be staying with us until Monday. Violet has a new friend named Keota who's also crashing at my place. It's like a miniature slumber party.

    The kids got themselves all wound up telling creepy stories. I had to go sit with them for a while and convince them that our house wasn't suddenly going to turn into a scene from "The Exorcist".

    It's kinda weird having the extra kid around. It strikes me as a bit odd that her parents just let her pop over here and spend the night with my boy. But Keota's folks are big liberals. They did ask to meet me, though. I went over and met them, feeling like I was trapped in some kind of weird 1950s scene, meeting a date's parents or something. They were cool. Violet had mentioned that she was crashing here and just kind of invited Keota along. I don't mind, I suppose. Keota seems to be a nice girl. She's an exotic-looking semi goth girl. Looks sorta like a vampiric art school refugee. She looks older than she actually is and seems to be quite intelligent.

    Anyway, I'm over at Crimson's place having some hot chocolate and just hanging out. Gotta go home and hang out with the kiddos soon. I actually had hopes of getting frisky with my lover tonight but that's hard to accomplish when your house is occupied by three giggling teenage maniacs. But I'm glad the kids are with us, all safe and sound. They're silly and happy in ways that I never got to be as a kid. I wish them year after year of everlasting silly happy moments.


By J on Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 12:02 am:

    God bless you Pilate,and tell Crimson I beleive I said I wanted to hang with her when she first came here:)


By Tom on Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 01:24 am:

    " I had to go sit with them for a while and convince them that our house wasn't suddenly going to turn into a scene from "The Exorcist". "

    Then he went over to Crimson's place, which, by all accounts, IS a scene from the exorcist.

    some people just can't get enough.


By crimson on Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 03:27 am:

    hey, my place isn't a hotbed of psychic activity 24/7. when shit's NOT totally in chaos here, there's actually a calm kind of energy. i think that certain types of people can really relax around here. other types get freaked out. there's definitely odd shit that happens, but on the other hand, there's often a lot of good, calming energy to soak up.

    my apartment's pretty weird. i live in this weird, grungy, tripped-out place w/ about a godzillion toys everywhere. i've had people really freak out because there are so many toys here, but no kids. but the toys, to me, help add to the serenity (to some people, they might add to the insanity). imagine having a conversation while 40 G.I. joes are aiming rifles at your chest. there are stuffed animals in every square inch of the place. the toys that have freaked out the most visitors are my husband's old ventriloquist dummies. we've had several houseguests who were absolutely phobic of them. i honestly can't say that they thrill me, either.

    anyway, i guess what i'm saying is that coming to see me isn't always an invitation to a supernatural sideshow. there are a lot of normal moments, too, or as normal as you can get in a place like this.


By Pilate on Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 08:26 pm:

    I'm with Crimson right now and I can vouch for the fact that her place is more normal than mine is, at least at the moment. My house isn't weird due to any supernatural activity, though. It's just weird due to supernaturally silly kids.

    My boy's got his two buddies over, Violet and Keota (see above post). Anyway the kiddies were in the back playing "Truth Or Dare". Keota took a dare. Turns out that the dare was pretty simple. It merely involved the girl walking up to me while I sat in the living room. All she had to do was pose a simple question. So she walks right up and says to me:

    "So, Mr. N_______, when you're giving blowjobs, do you spit or swallow?"

    The other kids were shrieking with laughter. They got laughing so damn hard, in fact, that they didn't even wait around for the answer. They ran into the bedroom, slammed the door and laughed themselves half to death.

    I left a while ago and I bet they're still in there laughing.

    Jesus.


By Tom on Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 12:02 am:

    Well, Damnit, now I'm curious, Mr. N. You know that deep down, they're all waiting breathlessly for the answer.

    Yep. I'm joking, all right.


By Pilate on Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 04:02 am:

    I swallow, honey. But not for just anyone.

    Kinda funny. It's the only remotely submissive thing I do. I'm totally dominant but also a bit orally fixated. What can I say?

    I popped in at Crimson's. I've got the key. Usually she's up at this hour but she was actually snoozing for a change. But she woke up and staggered in to talk to me. She reports that she was having a dream about watching Chuck Berry do a show in a trailer someplace. She said that it was a horrible performance. Frightening. Chuck was way too sick to carry on. Suddenly he stopped, stepped out the back, and vomited up a whole bird. A big white bird about the size of a seagull.

    "This didn't strike me as a good sign," Crimson said.

    Nope. Usually by the time someone's puking up whole birds, it's pretty much over.


By crimson on Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 02:24 pm:

    right. barfing up birds is one of those little signs from god that something isn't quite right.

    that was a disturbing dream. gross as hell. i could see chuck berry's wrinkles jumping & twitching as this huge bird agonizingly slithered up from his throat.

    i woke up laughing like crazy.


By Pilate on Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 10:55 am:

    I'm getting ready to do a bit of Christmas shopping. Yikes. I'm one of those guys who always kinda waits until the last minute to do this stuff.

    I'm taking my kid with me. Since he's got two buddies now, I'm buying some gifts for them, too. We overheard his newest friend, Keota, complaining that she doesn't have a decent purse. So we're getting her one. If you missed the earlier post, this means that I'm actually shopping for the kid who asked me whether I spit or swallowed.

    She apologized profusely for asking me that. I was gracious as fuck. I blew it off (pardon the pun). I knew it was just part of the game and that one of the other kids, quite likely my own, put her up to it.

    I've already bought a set of presents for my lover but I wanna get more. He deserves it. Especially after something he did to me at about 3 o'clock this morning. I'm still recovering. Anything that fun should probably be illegal.

    Actually, I think it IS illegal in Georgia and several other states.


By Pilate on Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 02:32 pm:

    Shit. I'm back.

    The shopping excursion turned into a nightmare. My boy accidentally tripped over some old bat in a crowded department store. He apologized again and again. She wasn't having any of it. She stormed off and got a store manager, all the while screaming at me that I had damn well better discipline my kid. She made a massive public scene about it. She was screaming and raving. It was awful.

    It was a damn accident. Brendan barely bumped into her. He didn't hurt her at all. He swerved into her because some lady with a stroller nearly ran over his feet and he was just trying to get out of the way.

    And now my kid (who's already got a major problem with social anxiety) is fucking terrified. He insisted on coming home right away. He's at home right now with my lover. Brendan ran inside and curled up into Trace's arms, saying that he never should have left the house. He's a wreck now. Months of emotional progress right down the drain.

    The kid is so freaked out. I hope somebody else runs into that cruel old bitch, good and hard, and isn't half as gentle and apologetic as my boy was.


By J on Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 03:16 pm:

    What a bitch,you should have got her license number,then you could have fucked with her.I got me a two year old little girl on my hands now and I'm loving it:)


By Pilate on Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 07:52 pm:

    You're right. I should've taken her license number. Or something. It was a screwed up scene. She called for the store rent-a-cop and was threatening to call the actual police. She was screaming and threatening to sue. She was waving a coat hanger at the kid (we were in the clothing department). Everyone was staring at her, and subsequently at Brendan, which is one of the things that disturbed him most. She just wouldn't shut up. The way she was carrying on you'd have thought that the boy had knifed her in the back.

    Anyway, Brendan has calmed down. Let's see if I can.

    You've got a two year old? Wow. And I thought I had a lot going on with a teenager or three in the house.


By dave. on Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 09:03 pm:

    what the fuck would the cops do? fuck it, call the cops. god, i would be so in her face.

    that shit never happens to me. i wish it would. i'd give that hole a real reason to call the cops.


By dave. on Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 09:12 pm:

    GOD!!!

    snatch that coathanger out of her hands and tell her she better run. NOW!

    (i'm so macho.)


By Pilate on Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 09:32 pm:

    Calling the cops seems to be a pretty standard threat among people of lower intelligence. The more of a dumbshit someone is, the more likely they are to call the cops over some meaningless, trifling matter. Never mind that a crime wasn't perpetrated or anything. The bitch was threatening to sue me, for fuck's sake. And if she made good with her threat to hit my kid with that coat hanger the bitch would've gotten it force-fed to her.

    I tried to remain as calm as possible. If she really did want to sue me I doubt she'd have a case......but people win lawsuits over really stupid shit these days. I just wanted to get out of there without causing more of a scene or further embarrassing my kid.

    Brendan kept apologizing over and over. Still, she kept screaming at him. It really sucked. I was just watching the hand with the coat hanger in it. If she hit Brendan in front of all those witnesses, she WOULD be in court, if not in the fucking hospital or mortuary.

    Macho has its moments.


By dave. on Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 09:53 pm:

    yeah. well, if it were a gun, i'd be a much more prudent. a knife, i'd probably dump a few clothing racks on her head. a stick or coathanger or some other object and i'd be all over it. i'd consider it a direct threat to me and my family. there had to be something you could have grabbed. i have a big brother and i know that you can beat the hell out of someone with a pair of levi's. i think it'd be justifiable as defense.

    you did the right thing. why does this shit set me off?


By Pilate on Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 10:08 pm:

    Truth is, I have to watch myself sometimes. I AM a brutal motherfucker when pushed. That's no joke. I have enough muscle on me that I could've easily turned the bitch into paste. But something told me that I just dealing with a hysterical old bag and going to jail for assault wasn't really worth it.

    It's a double standard. Had it been a man acting like that, yeah, I probably would've fucking decked him. But some manic senior citizen? Let it go, I figured. My main goal was to just get the kid out of the store before he had a full blown panic attack.

    Chances are very good that if she had hit Brendan with that coathanger, I would've broken her fucking arm.


By dave. on Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 10:37 pm:

    i just never get to righteously vent. ever. people ignore or avoid me. i think the closest i've ever come to being assaulted was maybe 15 years ago on 1st and pike in seattle. i was a young goth-punk and a couple guys wanted to trade some weed for my leather jacket "in the alley over there". saying i wasn't interested wasn't quite conveying the message that i wasn't interested. it was kind of scary and i was getting agitated and pissed. finally, i yelled, "no, i'm not going into the alley with you guys! what kind of idiot do you think i am!?" i figured it was gonna get ugly but they backed off saying, "it's cool, big guy. chill out." kinda funny considering i was about 100 pounds lighter back then. i'd love to be 180 pounds and still have people call me "big guy". anyway, i didn't get to vent even then. i pity the fool that gives me a reason now. i've got a lot of venting to do. of course, i might just end up getting my own ass kicked or worse but it'd be very therapeutic in a fight club kind of way.


By dave. on Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 10:53 pm:

    for instance, i'd like to vent on napster for being "remotely queued". why am i always remotely queued?


By Pilate on Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 11:19 pm:

    I know what you're saying. I'm a very calm, gentle person. But anyone who pushes me is going to be in for one hell of a surprise.

    I'm not the venting kind, either. Crimson and I have talked about this before. She's not the venting type and I'd be damn scared to see what she'd do if truly agitated. Crimson is scarier than anyone in this whole damn town. I say that in a loving and respectful sort of way.

    Crimson's scary for the same reason that I am. It's because we ARE nice people. We can be fucked with for years and just blow it off. But then there's that magic moment when it goes one step over the line. That's the scariest and most dangerous moment of all. The moment when you stop caring about the consequences.

    I'm outraged that people exist in this world whose only purpose in life seems to be fucking with other people. People like that are the scum of the earth. They need to be fucked with right back. But I'm a fairly peaceful kind of guy and I tend to deal with them the same way I dealt with the kids who fucked with me in Catholic school......avoidance.

    There are days when avoidance doesn't really seem to cut it, though.

    I don't tend to vent or lash out. I may get a little bitchy from time to time but it's nothing major. Fortunately, my lover is also a pretty calm person. My kid has a slight tendency for emotional drama (he can be a bit of a nervous wreck at times and cries easily) but it's kind of his way of venting. If he didn't break down every now and then, he'd probably be worse off for it. Considering all he's gone through, I'm lucky that he's not one of those kids who puts his fist through the walls.

    Crimson has this theory that a person's danger factor (their ability to do serious damage) can be tallied up in terms of how long it's been since they had a real breakdown. If it's been two days since they went into vent mode, then they're only packing about two days worth of real danger. It's the people who haven't blown their stack in twenty years that you've gotta watch out for. That's twenty YEARS worth of anger just waiting to explode. When a punch with twenty years of rage behind it hits you, you're probably going down for the count.

    I'm going home for some hot chocolate therapy. My lover makes the best hot chocolate. There are days when a cup of homemade hot cocoa seems to be the only thing keeping me sane.


By crimson on Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 11:37 pm:

    what pilate said. i'm the scariest motherfucker on the planet. & i'm also the nicest person you'll ever hope to meet. i am nice beyond all knowing.

    writing & music really does keep me from going on the proverbial 13-state killing spree. that's why i'm so damn sweet & cuddly. all of the hatred either goes down on paper or gets bellowed into a microphone, leaving behind only the jolly, marshmallow-like humanoid you've come to know & love.

    hot chocolate therapy. that sounds so damn good. but i'm still on this frickin' no-carb, no-sugar, no-nothing diet. i'm afraid hot chocolate is right out.

    no hot chocolate for me this winter.

    that's it.

    gimme a gun.


By dave. on Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 11:59 pm:

    a punch with 20 years worth of rage behind it will likely break your hand to little bits. that's why you need to run away and find some object and then run back and bludgeon the sonofabitch with it. or at least use the hammer-fist. that's how it works in the fantasy.

    i hope you're all ok tonight.

    i'm having cold beer therapy.


By dave. on Friday, December 22, 2000 - 12:06 am:

    marshmallow-like?


By crimson on Friday, December 22, 2000 - 01:26 am:

    i've been frequently teased for being a "marshmallow". nice & fluffy & sweet. a pushover. even my folks tease me about my marshmallowhood.

    i'm a marshmallow w/ fangs.

    i'm very nice. i'm a polite person. i observe the basic rules of human courtesy. i'm basically sweet & calm.

    a marshmallow.

    still, people seem to be afraid of me. i don't know why. people who do befriend me often tell me that i initially scared the hell out of them...even when i'm being a perfect marshmallow. i especially scare women. i often wish that i didn't. i'm often told that i'm either too creepy & quiet, or that my opinions are too bizarre to handle.

    the people in the world that i can speak my mind to are few & far between. which is why the internet has been such a great toy. i can spew my opinions all over the place & stand a 50/50 chance of finding a fellow mutant.

    you're right about using an object instead of actually hitting somebody w/ your fist. twenty years of rage AND a big fucking club might make an impression.


By Dougie on Friday, December 22, 2000 - 11:13 am:

    Would that qualify as passive/aggressive personality, which is what I think I am too.


By crimson on Friday, December 22, 2000 - 11:41 am:

    i don't know about the whole passive/aggressive thing. i thought that P/A people were prone to inexplicable blowups.

    i don't do blowups.

    i always thought that people who couldn't keep their temper in check were the ultimate pussies. they lack strength of will. they lack control. if you're going to kill a man, then fucking well KILL him...but don't stomp around the house & throw a fucking fit about it. either get revenge in a cool, calculted manner, or forget about it. i've never in my life had any kind of big blowup. i don't cause scenes. i don't believe in that shit.

    at least for myself.

    however, i do believe in catharsis in a contolled setting. if somebody needs to scream & cry to keep his shit together, so be it. but do it in a padded room somewhere, or in the shrink's office. don't subject other people to it.


By patrick on Friday, December 22, 2000 - 12:26 pm:

    dave do you need to masturbate more often? you get pissed of easily pal.


By dave. on Friday, December 22, 2000 - 01:21 pm:

    probably.


By Pilate on Friday, December 22, 2000 - 10:19 pm:

    So that's the answer to this entire tension thing? Jerking off more often?

    Whoa.

    Hey, I realized it was an anti-stress kinda deal, but now I can look at it as.....well, the answer to all of life's problems.

    I'd better get started right away. I'm sure Crimson won't mind the mess on her keyboard.


By dave. on Friday, December 22, 2000 - 10:26 pm:

    somehow, i doubt she'd be the least bit put out.

    have fun!


By dave. on Friday, December 22, 2000 - 10:30 pm:

    just keep it the hell away from her ova.


By crimson on Friday, December 22, 2000 - 10:42 pm:

    *LOL* yep.

    actually, that's kinda funny, the remark about the ova...i've admitted this once on this site before, but pilate & i actually have made the beast w/ two backs. it was way back when we were college students. man, were we drunk. from what i can remember of it, though, it was one of the highlights of my life.

    around that same time period, pilate & i also dropped acid & got ourselves trapped in a hugeass rotating barrel in toadsuck, arkansas. long story.

    the more i think about it, blowing a load on my keyboard does NOT sound like a good idea. but you're right, it's better than doing it on the ova.


By crimson on Friday, December 22, 2000 - 11:54 pm:

    pilate has stopped whacking off on my keyboard long enough to help me put up the xmas tree. i know, it's a bit late to be doing the whole tree thing, but we just now managed to find the ornaments.

    the tree is up & it looks festive as hell. we did have a jesus puppet crammed on top of the tree, but my husband just removed it & replaced it w/ an angel.

    hubby bought the jesus puppet at a christian store. the puppet was meant for a children's ministry. unfortunately, the thing looks like a deranged wino. our lord & savior is now sitting on my mic stand & wearing a dodgers baseball cap. imagine a dreadlocked, big-nosed puppet w/ caterpillar eyebrows & charlie manson eyes. if i were a kid & saw something like that, i'd be wigged out for life.

    ren, my husband, has a lot of fun w/ the puppet. he makes jesus bitch about his hemorrhoids & tell stories about chasing whores in tijuana.


By dave. on Saturday, December 23, 2000 - 12:20 am:

    ours will go up tomorrow. i'm so not into it but it's not always about me.


By crimson on Saturday, December 23, 2000 - 12:50 am:

    i wasn't really into it either, until i actually started hanging up the ornaments. i have these mirror ball thingies that i think are cool. very sparkly. & little angels that look like they're made of glittering sugar.

    ren's freaking out our pet rodents. he's running the siren on a toy police car. they seem terribly confused by this racket. they're all running around & looking for the source of the noise.

    i've gotta get to bed. i've actually got to be somewhere in the morning. a bit of business in oklahoma. i'm not a morning person, to say the least. i'd better get some sleep so i can actually function & everything.


By dave. on Saturday, December 23, 2000 - 01:03 am:

    give my regards, and regrets, to the pawnee. my stepdaddy is from pawnee, which may explain a lot. have a good trip.


By crimson on Saturday, December 23, 2000 - 10:12 am:

    although i'm not going to pawnee, i won't be too terribly far from there.

    i'm running late. massively late. i should be on the road already, but i'm waiting for someone else to show up.

    holy crap, i'm sleepy. had a hell of a time getting up this morning. i'd really like to crawl back into bed.

    sometime after i get back, i'll probably be filming some stuff w/ pug. i'm not even sure what we'll be doing. he'll just turn on the camera & i'll launch into impromptu depravity.

    a frenchman living in arizona saw some of our shows & has decided that i'm absolutely funny as hell. i'm pleased. but then, the french dig jerry lewis, too. i recently got an e-mail from someone who watched a couple of shows & simply said, "i didn't know that people like you existed." i don't know if that's good or bad. probably bad. he also advised us to cut out the heavy drugs, but the material in question was filmed while we were stone cold sober.


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