THIS IS A READ-ONLY ARCHIVE FROM THE SORABJI.COM MESSAGE BOARDS (1995-2016). |
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By Mike escapeATparanoia.com on Tuesday, May 5, 1998 - 12:40 am: |
could live with a 128k connection as we have before. Get *rid* of the freeloaders and charge people $5-$10/month. If we got 20 people to do this we could pay for the ISDN costs. Since I believe that we could get more 20 people, the profits could be used to slowly bail Kevin out of the 12k debt he's in. The beauty of the situation is, everyone will pay. If there are only 20 people willing to do this, 128k will be fine. If there are >20, that means increased money for more bandwidth. Elegant, huh? 2. I'm not nearly as concerned with the loss of web space, as Kevin pointed out there are many alternatives nowadays. At worse, a machine could be used for URL redirection, as I'm sure just about everybody has an alternate location for Web stuff. If the web server *is* an issue with people, I suggest this. Kevin should look into advertising, perhaps only on the main paranoia pages. With the volume that comes through, I think that advertising revenue could be used to offset the bandwidth costs. Someone with expertise in this area should make some estimations based on # of visitors and $$ advertisers are paying. I think with an exclusive deal with only one broker, the web site could pay for itself and/or get Kevin out of debt. The popularity of paranoia.com as a destination is too much to be overlooked. |
By Egnever on Tuesday, May 5, 1998 - 03:25 am: |
bandwidth) virtual hosting. I know I have a couple for various reasons, and I'd much rather see cash for that service go to "the cause" than to some corporation (even if they are my favorite local ISP). Perhaps $100 a year? |
By Sorabji on Tuesday, May 5, 1998 - 11:08 am: |
But I agree, let's save primus for telnet/irc/mail and whatnot. Let's install Waffle on that thing and get back to our roots. |
By Avinash on Tuesday, May 5, 1998 - 02:13 pm: |
to see someone (not me!) make this work for around $100 to $120 a year, and I need both: 1) Shell Access 2) Web Access If necessary, put limits: 2a) Disk space, say 2-10M. 2b) bandwidth (say, 100-1000MB/month?) Actually, I could do without shell access, so this is why I posted, as the previous message suggested he could live without web access, I just wanted to get my 2 cents in - I do need web access! I see many ISPs make this work, and isn't this just a matter of drawing up a (informal) business plan? See how many subscribers we need at cable modem, ISDN, T1, etc levels, and see if can reach it. I would say we should restrict paranoia to 40-100 users max, and do what we can within that price range. It will take work, but maybe we can do this and allow some profit to Kevin and whoever else doing the work. - Avinash@Paranoia.com |
By N. on Wednesday, May 6, 1998 - 10:32 am: |
I don't use the shell, IRC, news or anything else. I have access to those kinds of things elsewhere. * What I'm hearing here is that a range of options, each associated with a price tag, should be available. For example: shell access, $5/mo.; IRC, news, etc., $5/mo.; mail via pine or IMAP, $2/mo.; $5/mo. per every 500MB of web traffic your pages generate (this would give users like me a financial incentive to reduce page size); and so forth. The spirit of paranoia.com would be changed if any of those services went away. I know this is nausseatingly bureaucratic, but bureacracies exist for a reason. I just basically pulled those numbers out of my ass, by the way, so someone should adjust those numbers to reflect how much of a drain each service is on resources. Maybe in the end, I won't be able to afford it, but we can't let paranoia's web presence get completely flushed down the toilet. ** I can't believe how many people have simply not been paying! ** - N. (wcs) |
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