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THIS IS A READ-ONLY ARCHIVE FROM THE SORABJI.COM MESSAGE BOARDS (1995-2016).

By Sorabji on Sunday, January 23, 2000 - 11:55 pm:


By Markus on Monday, January 24, 2000 - 12:03 am:

    I'll send the lads around to "counsel" them on their choice of a band name.

    Either that, or force them to play Margret's wedding.


By semillama on Monday, January 24, 2000 - 01:10 pm:

    What a crock. You can't even view their website without a password. Not the best way to spread the word about yourself. What happened to Bagpuss? Maybe he can straighten out those lads.


By moonit on Monday, January 24, 2000 - 07:27 pm:

    Send them a breach of copyright bullshit letter Mark - then watch them squirm.


By agatha on Monday, January 24, 2000 - 08:25 pm:

    if i had a password, i would log on and kick their virtual asses.


By Just4theRecord on Monday, January 24, 2000 - 09:07 pm:

    you can log on, just . . . can't remember the word . . . . it's like "enroll" then view the statistics. You can add your favorite webSite and browser.


By J4TR on Monday, January 24, 2000 - 09:26 pm:

    excuse me, that link just flings you to the hostedby.com site where you can "register". . . .
    brrfrrhrrr.


By Gee on Monday, January 24, 2000 - 11:37 pm:

    I thought Sorabji was a composer? Can Mark really copyright some guy?


By Nate on Wednesday, January 26, 2000 - 10:51 am:

    MARK CAN DO ANYTHING HE WISHES.


By Patrick on Wednesday, January 26, 2000 - 01:25 pm:

    UH HUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


By Sorabji on Wednesday, January 26, 2000 - 10:39 pm:

    i don't have a copyright. all i have is a domain name. domain names are intended to be an easy way to remember the location of a web service on the open internet. the commercialization of top level domains (which were designated in a fundamentally arbitrary manner) is basically a gimmick, and Internic's back-pedalling to make their registration service some kind of standard are laughable footnotes to the internet boom. i think that the current system of dot.com/net/org/int/edu/mil is headed for bust, and that the Domain Naming System has to be re-purporsed so that addresses are assigned in a more arbitrary manner; my present pet idea is that names and numbers should be combined, and that instead of ".com" or ".web" internet addresses are assigned numbers in a way akin to telephone area codes. this opens up, for instance, 999 areas of content, and these number codes would eventually register among people interested in the associated content areas the way telephone area codes like 212 and 312 register among manhattan and chicago snobs as somehow "worthy." of course this idea needs some work, and is probably full of technical holes (for a fuller discussion see http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/tac/notices/guide299.htm), but the point is that in the real world brands and service marks can share space, but on the internet they often can not. for example, the Time & Life building is a block away from the Time Hotel which is a few blocks away from the Time Moving Company. the Blue Note in New York existed just fine with the Blue Note Cafe in Kansas until the Blue Note in New York shit all over the Blue Note Cafe in Kansas and forced them to surrender their domain name in recognition of their better-recognized brand name. shit, i can't find any citations for that case, but as an aside the attention that "Big Companies" get for shitting all over the "Little Man" for copyright/domain conflicts is way overblown.

    ownership of a domain name does not automatically represent copyright infringement until there is a clear and genuine intent to extort gain (financial or otherwise) from the owner of a registered service mark, or to cause consumer confusion among individuals expecting to find information about a given product or brand protected by copyright law. nothing about domain names or the internet changes the fundamentels of copyright law.

    i am not aware that anyone owns any rights to the word "Sorabji" for use in commerce or any other endeavor, so i am probably safe from prosecution. there is a sorabji.org, for instance. that site is a family site owned by a gentleman named Sorabji whose name for years and years was the only occurance of the word "Sorabji" i could ever find on the internet.

    if something about this choice of a sorabji.com domain name could be thought to have been in "bad faith" (because i do not carry on about the composer Sorabji the way other people do), then i could always point to this and my use of "Sorabji" as a login id since at least 1992 and other assorted Sorabji screeds somewhere on this site as proof of my good faith.

    if i wanted i could pull a Yahoo (U.S. Reg. No. 2040222) and trademark "Sorabji.com" as ... as i don't know what, but as something. as a purveyor of, uh, entertainment content over a global computer network. that sounds good, as it leaves open the possibility of some other global computer network offering Sorabji.com-esque entertainment content, if that is what you want to call this.

    i am in occasional contact with the "Sorabji Archives" and people who i assume to be legitimately connected to the Sorabji Estate in Bath, and none of these individuals has ever suggested that ownership of this domain name is problematic.

    bottom line, since i don't make a dime off this site, and Kaikhosru Sorabji never made a dime off his work, and there is no commercial value associated with the word "Sorabji," i am probably safe from persecution.

    Kaikhosru Shapurji Sorabji was a British composer who wrote ridiculously difficult piano music, and there is a very small movement among some musicologists and certain masochistic pianists to bring his works to a wider audience. On average i get mail from individuals interested in the music of Sorabji about once a year. i am really tired and intoxicated, but must make dinner.

    what interests me is a question i saw on the old site WAYD last week. question being, the way movies today show generic phone numbers as "555-1212" or "555-xxxx," what will movies use as generic references to internet websites?

    http://127.0.0.1/, i guess.


By Isolde on Wednesday, January 26, 2000 - 10:46 pm:

    Perhaps.
    The whole claim to domain name thing has gotten a little out of control in my opinion--the etoy vrs. etoys, etc.
    Bah on them all.


By Antigone on Wednesday, January 26, 2000 - 11:56 pm:


By Isolde on Thursday, January 27, 2000 - 12:06 am:

    Great. What do domain names cost these days?


By Gee on Thursday, January 27, 2000 - 02:11 am:

    I think this is interesting, and only slightly related. I saw a commercial for something the other day...a Serious commercial...and they listed a Serious phone number that started with 555. I was shocked. I can't remember what the commercial was for.


By R.C. on Thursday, January 27, 2000 - 05:06 am:

    But Mark: You have created something unique & valuable here under the Sorabji.com moniker. You've been reviewed in various places & nominated for awards & such. If some skell decided to piggyback on yr popularity by starting up a Sorabji.net.com.999 or whatever site that featured beastiality or porn/or to copy yr format or post yr musical performances or writing w/out yr permission/wdn't that piss you off? And wdn't it be legally actionable on yr part?

    I thought the whole point in registering domain names was to protect yr content... Esp. if it's wonderfully non-commercial.

    And are you saying that if I might someday want radicalconsequences.com as a domain name for a future business endeavor/I shd register the name now? Even if I don't have the know-how to build a real website?


By Nate on Thursday, January 27, 2000 - 10:56 am:

    the key is not the lock.

    MARK HAS SPOKEN

    <BONG>

    MARK HAS SPOKEN

    <BONG>

    MARK HAS SPOKEN

    <BONG>


By Czarina on Thursday, January 27, 2000 - 12:49 pm:

    What did you make for dinner?


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By semillama on Thursday, January 27, 2000 - 01:17 pm:

    I'm sorry, what?

    I'll have to remember to query my brother about Sorabji - he digs composers like that. His current favorite is Percy Grainger, the masochist.


By MapleLeaf on Thursday, January 27, 2000 - 01:45 pm:

    R.C. you are correct.....if you think you would ever use the domain name in the future....get it registered NOW!!!


By Antigone on Thursday, January 27, 2000 - 07:11 pm:

    Someone buy sorabji.net by noon tomorrow, or I'm buying it...


By Isolde on Thursday, January 27, 2000 - 10:19 pm:

    ok. I'm willing to split the cost if it's not expensive--never can tell when it might come in handy...


By R.C. on Thursday, January 27, 2000 - 11:43 pm:

    Well/as I said/I have zero design skills. And you can't buy a domain name w/out putting up a site/right?

    So it'll hafta wait. But at least I've already got a lock on the email address.


By Antigone on Friday, January 28, 2000 - 01:30 am:

    Design skills? This is my site at the moment. Isn't it snazzy?

    How about this: I'll buy it and we can all put it together. I'll provide ftp account access to anyone who wants it, and we can all construct something together. Sound like fun?

    It can be like sorabji's bastard child.


By Gee on Friday, January 28, 2000 - 02:07 am:

    I actually like that idea.


By Isolde on Friday, January 28, 2000 - 07:10 pm:

    Interesting...it could be fun...in a strange sort of way.


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