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By wisper on Monday, October 1, 2001 - 05:32 pm:

    it's so fitting that the only reliable news source
    at this point seems to be
    the Onion.
    Their 'America Under Attack' graphic kills me.
    God's statement is
    the only poignant or meaningful thing i've read
    about Sept.11th so far, and
    this graphic is
    the most accurate expresion of how much we
    know so far.

    it's all sweeet

    *also, read the "whats on tv tonight" thing.


By semillama on Monday, October 1, 2001 - 06:08 pm:

    dead on. so dead on. I also like the America turns into a Jerry Bruckheimner Film piece. They really found the way to be able to help provide insight into what happened through humor without being tasteless.


By wisper on Tuesday, October 2, 2001 - 04:29 pm:

    and they have more links to aid donation
    places than any other website i've seen.

    so most of those links got re-directed, the
    graphic i was talking about is the map at the
    bottom of the "U.S. Vows To Defeat Whoever It
    Is We're At War With" thing.
    ;)


    email me sem, i think i have a present for you


By Kalliope on Wednesday, October 3, 2001 - 09:05 am:

    Crap. Onion did an excellent job with this whole mess.

    The not knowing what else to do, area woman bakes american flag shaped cake cracked me up. Seems like there's a lot of that going around.

    Richmond (as I assume everywhere else) is full of flags. On cars, on shirts, on pants, hats, buildings. I sort of have a problem with this backlash of patriotism. I mean, you didn't give a fuck before and what's flying a flag gonna do? It takes something huge to make everyone feel vulnerable..and maybe that's good. But waving a flag around? The local grocery store sells car magnets for ten dollars a piece. I guarantee the proceeds do *not* go towards helping rescue workers or the victims families.

    It's more of the same shit that disgusted me during Desert Storm. Does anyone remember the set of trading cards that came out?

    Or maybe we should make GI Joe dolls of Bin Laden and Bush and the rest of the taliban.

    It's the commercialism versus the lack of action that bothers me.

    And I'm on a soapbox and I'll stop now.

    Yea. The Onion did good.


By semillama on Wednesday, October 3, 2001 - 10:50 am:

    http://ndms.dhhs.gov/activations/Terror_Events_SEP2001/SITREP24.doc

    if you want to know what's going on with the rescue efforts, that's the deal.

    also, from a list i subscribe to:

    Nancy Ross-Stallings just forwarded this to me to forward to the lists. After
    she called me and explained what was going on, I thought it was important for
    the list members to know what is really going on.

    On Tue, Oct 2, 2001, 8:00:00 PM GMT rstallings wrote:


    Tom,

    As requested, I am sending you this to post to the ACRA lists. I am hoping
    to dispel some of the rumors and to help clarify questions that the
    archaeological community has regarding the WTC disaster. It is my
    understanding that some archaeological organizations have developed lists of
    archaeologists who are interested in helping with the disaster.

    First, I must clarify that I was deployed to the WTC disaster, by the
    Federal Government on September 12, to work as a Forensic Anthropologist,
    not as an archaeologist. The reason for this is that for nearly seven
    years, I have been a member of the United States Public Health Service,
    Office of Emergency Preparedness, Disaster Mortuary Operations Response Team
    (DMORT). When disasters such as hurricanes, floods, plane crashes and
    terrorist acts occur, these teams are offered by the USPHS, usually in
    concert with the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to the cities,
    counties, and states that are impacted by a disaster, as a component of the
    National Disaster Medical System. During the time that a DMORT Team member
    is deployed, they become temporary federal employees. For an explanation
    regarding DMORT Teams, and they types of occupations they are drawn from, go
    to http://ndms.dhhs.gov Once there, click on "Current Activation and
    Deployments" for comprehensive information about the recovery operations
    going on in New York City, with recent updates, and for some examples of
    other deployments from the recent past. Click on "Joining A Team" and then
    on that page go to "About Our Teams" to gain further information. Since
    DMORT Team members are expected to work 12 plus hour shifts, seven days a
    week, they are sent home to rest after two weeks or so. With many
    deployments, they are round the clock operations, so I was not surprised to
    be placed on the 7PM to 7AM shift. With commute time on each end of the
    shift, my time "on duty" ranged from 14 to 16 hours, depending on traffic
    and when the day shift personnel arrived to replace us. This left only a
    few hours of time for sleep, showering and eating, before we were sent out
    the following evening.

    While I was in New York, I was at the World Trade Center site, the Manhattan
    Medical Examiner's Office Morgue (which is handling all of the fatalities
    from the WTC), and at the Staten Island Landfill, where the debris from the
    WTC are being taken for recovery operations. As of Wednesday, September 26,
    in excess of 115,000 tons of debris had already been transported to Staten
    Island. Informal estimates that I heard place the tonnage at about 6% of
    the estimated debris. This may or may not be accurate, and at this point it
    may by impossible to determine. Early in the deployment, I worked at the
    Manhattan Morgue, but once the landfill operation was established, I was
    moved out there to work as a Forensic Anthropologist to identify human
    tissue that could be sent to the Medical Examiner's office for preparation
    to extract samples for DNA analysis. The heavy majority of the deceased
    will most likely be identified legally by using DNA, due to the condition of
    the remains. The condition of the human remains makes it sometimes
    difficult even for trained forensic anthropologists to identify and separate
    from the food items from the restaurants and personal lunches that were in
    the WTC complex and surrounding buildings. The appearance of both types of
    remains, in many cases, differ markedly from faunal and human remains I have
    worked with from archaeological sites.

    The removal of the debris from the World Trade Center to Staten Island is
    being conducted by very large pieces of heavy equipment (some a few stories
    high) and semitractor trailer size trucks. No archaeological work of any
    type is being conducted at the WTC site. This site is extremely hazardous.
    In one of the worst days, it is my understanding that they lost 5 search and
    rescue dogs (seeking both injured and deceased people) due to the unstable
    nature of the debris piles. By the time the debris are loaded in the trucks
    by the heavy equipment, archaeological context is lost. Watching the
    equipment work, the operators, quite rightfully, are picking the option of
    stability of the debris they must operate off of over ensuring where exactly
    the debris were first encountered. As of last week, some of the debris were
    still very hot, with oxygen exposure causing steam and smoke to continue to
    rise. The fire department was on hand to provide assistance, if necessary.

    Once at Staten Island, the human remains and identifiable personal effects
    are being recovered using non-archaeological techniques. Due to the sheer
    volume of the debris, this is the only practical way to do it. The recovery
    techniques were developed at the behest of the FBI and the Manhattan Medical
    Examiner's Office and are working well for the type of recovery operation
    that is necessary.

    It is very important to stress that this is a crime scene and there are
    chain-of-custody issues that are critical to this operation. Therefore,
    with very few exceptions, police officers, fire department members, the FBI
    and some individuals from such agencies as the National Transportation
    Safety Board or other pertinent agencies are the ones who do the actual
    recovery. While at the Landfill, DMORT Forensic Anthropologists and DMORT
    Forensic Dentists work under the auspices of the New York Police Department
    Crime Scene Search Division and were subject to all of their protocols.

    >From a psychological standpoint, for the workers from all the disciplines
    who are there, this is probably the most horrible disaster in the recent
    history of the United States. Despite being accustomed to working with
    crime scenes, seeing senseless human destruction and fragmentation, many
    veteran police, firemen, and others are having special and unique
    difficulties with this one. In any disaster, federal teams such as DMORT
    are supported by mental health teams with trained counselors whose specialty
    is disaster-related services. These counselors are on-site and maintain
    frequent contact with team members throughout their deployment and after the
    deployment as well. One cannot help but take certain aspects of one's work
    "home" with them and sometimes these impacts can become detrimental to the
    team member, and also their familiy members and friends.

    At this point in time, that is all I feel that I can offer by way of
    explanation regarding the recovery operations at the WTC. As soon as DMORTS
    from other regions in the US have been deployed and served their periods of
    activation, there is a chance I will be asked to redeploy. This, however,
    will be based on whether the authorities in New York still have a need for
    our teams, and which specialties within those teams they still feel a need
    for. Ultimately, it is their decision, since the federal government leaves
    it up to the discretion of the local (city, county) agencies about the type
    and nature of the US Public Health Service teams they wish to have
    assisting. The purpose of these teams is not to come in and "take over"
    operations or tell the local authorities what they should or must do
    regarding the disaster, but to serve as additional personnel that will fit
    well into to the on-going operations.

    In closing, I have shared to the best of my ability what I know about the
    operations surrounding the WTC disaster. I request that if anyone has
    additional questions regarding DMORT, please log-on to the website above and
    contact the US Public Health Service through it. I do not have any
    application forms, and have no role in the decisions that are made regarding
    the qualifications of applicants, or in the decision-making process leading
    to an invitation to join one of the teams for future deployments.

    Sincerely,
    Nancy A. Ross-Stallings, Ph.D.


By sem on Wednesday, October 3, 2001 - 10:51 am:

    huh. that looked fine in the preview.


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