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By Sorabji on Thursday, January 1, 1998 - 11:32 pm: |
Who else is there?? |
By Jicotea on Friday, January 2, 1998 - 01:32 am: |
His cousin Nicholas, on the other hand, was one of the Diaghilev ballet mafiosi in the 20s, and wrote plenty for piano. And V's son Dmitri had a substantial career as an operatic bass. Literary critic and theorist Kenneth Burke noted down a lot of little musical ideas, some of which were later developed by his son-in-law, the late Harry Chapin. Burke was amazed at the size of the royalty checks Chapin's performances brought in. These people were all patzers who didn't even know how to notate properly, with the possible exception of Nietzsche. Better stick to the real thing. |
By Sorabji on Friday, January 2, 1998 - 11:32 am: |
Nielsen ended up being my N. And Nixon, I now know, once played music of his own composition on The Tonight Show. Schmaltzy nonsense, that. Now, I should really be working. |
By Jicotea on Friday, January 2, 1998 - 12:36 pm: |
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By Sorabji on Wednesday, January 21, 1998 - 09:37 pm: |
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By C. Berg on Tuesday, January 27, 1998 - 10:36 am: |
No, Nabokov had no ear for music -- nor did he even like to hear it. It pained him that he could not really enjoy the (apparently fine) work his son did as a singer. But then most musicians have no ear for Nabokov, either. And I too should really be working... |
By Jicotea on Friday, February 6, 1998 - 09:48 pm: |
Trivia. I only know of one Ben Franklin string quartet, which isn't really a quartet, but a little piece for some oddball ensemble in which only open strings are used in some goofy non-standard tuning. |
By Sorabji on Saturday, February 7, 1998 - 06:36 pm: |
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By Sorabji on Saturday, February 7, 1998 - 06:49 pm: |
traditionally, music history courses start from pre-Bach and work their way through the major eras through modern times. I think Corigliano is right, it should really be the other way around. Instead of sleeping through the first day of music history while the teacher plays gregorian chant there should be something there to wake everyone up. Something like Berio's Synfonia (I don't think I'm spelling that right) or electronic compositions of sampled dog-barking noises. Just something so you know right away this tradition of music is not as dead as it seems. Of course you take your chances with new music. What you choose to introduce to young people could end up being marginal or, worse, considered obscene, like that Berio Sequenza for voice. Mozart can get away with "Beat me, hit me" but if a living composer tries such a line it's considered an outrage. |
By R.C. on Saturday, February 7, 1998 - 08:43 pm: |
From the little I remember/most of the European music of the Middle Ages was religious music/ yes? Becuz Church & State were so tightly bound up together during that era/composers needed the sponsorship of the Church or the Court in order to make a living. There is certainly no modern-day equivalent of the patronage system that wd explain how present-day 'spiritual music' -- i.e. gospel or the techno stuff with dijeridoos (sp?) & pygmy chants/ever became popular. And I don't know squat about modern classical music/but I'm sure that the ideas expressed therein are taken from the forms & structures of Bach & Brahms & Beethoven. How can a kid ever learn to 'hear' modern classical if she hasn't 1st studied centuries-old classical compositions? |
By Hip dirty old man on Saturday, February 7, 1998 - 11:51 pm: |
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By R.C. on Sunday, February 8, 1998 - 03:51 am: |
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By H.d.o.m. on Sunday, February 8, 1998 - 12:22 pm: |
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By R.C. on Sunday, February 8, 1998 - 03:24 pm: |
You Chaos addicts kill me. If you love Chaos so much/then go to someplace like Kabul & help them pull dead bodies from the rubble of what used to be Afghanistan villages -- until last Wedensday's earthquake. Try dodging the aftershocks & rendering aid to survivors who probably wish there were dead. There's yr Chaos -- while you sit safely behind yr computer screen/trying to make people feel stupid for questioning things they want to know more about. |
By Sorabji on Sunday, February 8, 1998 - 03:50 pm: |
bye. |
By R.C. on Sunday, February 8, 1998 - 08:17 pm: |
If anyone else out there wd care to tackle the question/it is this: What resources or ideas can you offer for age-appropriate instruction in the history of classical music for a kid? I found out last wk. that my 13-yr-old goddaughter in NY failed her music mid-term. She just transferred to a private school in Jan. Prior to that/she had attended public school & studied the clarinet for 3 yrs. Which meant she joined the band (music was an elective in her p.s.)/learned to play scales/had no reading assignments or classwork/& eventually performed a few Sousa marches & maybe some watered-down Copeland arrangements for jr-high orchestras. Now she is at a school where music is a required course. Apparently/her audition performance was passable. But she failed the written exam that was part of the audition/so she wasn't allowed to join the orchestra/or the band. She still has a music requirement to meet/ so she joined the chorus. (She sings like a dying coyote/but I guess they had to let her join at that point.) And she still has theory & history to contend with in class. So she failed the mid-term. Now she hates the clarinet/hates her new school & esp. hates classical music -- "A bunch of songs white people wrote ages ago that nobody listens to except in school & on their wedding day!" unquote. So her mom called me up last week/wanting to know if I had any old texts or classnotes from when I studied piano & cello as a kid/& what I can do to help. But all that was eons ago & I barely remember anything! And I know my girl is tasting failure for the first time/in a big way. But this is NOT a black thing -- this is about her not knowing her stuff/becuz her public school music curriculum didn't bother to teach her anything but how to read & play notes. Her mom is not laying out 6 grand a year for the privilege of seeing her child fail. If she fails even 1 course/she loses her scholarship funding. So, I am DESPERATELY searching for a way to help her understand how classical music evolved/what the major schools & styles were/& most importantly/how the standards created by those composers have influenced the rest of western music/which is why it's worth her while to pick up her clarinet & continue playing & studying. It doesn't matter to me if we start with Maxwell & work back to Mendelssohn. This kid is family. If she fails/then we all fail. But there's no reason for her to fail -- she just has to learn to deal with some new subject matter. My job/& her mom's job/is to find whatever resources we can to help make it interesting & understandable for her. She has access to a computer at her grandma's /so I told her to get herself an e-mail address. Are there any web classes/or even sites/that anyone knows of that teach classical music for kids? Becuz I haven't found ANY so far. Y'see, this place isn't just the Dilettantes Dais. Sometimes/the people who sit in the corner just listening really want to learn about this stuff/for practical use in the real world. Which is why someone's questions -- however un-hip they may seem -- shdn't be ridiculed. Pls. E-mail me any info anyone out there can offer. |
By Jicotea aka h.d.o.m. on Sunday, February 8, 1998 - 09:46 pm: |
Nor am I quite such a conscientious character as you seem to believe. I'm sorry, however, to have pulled your chain to such an extent. Please accept my apologies. |
By R.C. on Sunday, February 8, 1998 - 10:39 pm: |
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By Slacker on Sunday, February 8, 1998 - 10:57 pm: |
who invented the bong. |
By (der) jicotea on Monday, February 9, 1998 - 01:36 am: |
schwanzkopf. |
By Fredescu on Monday, February 9, 1998 - 09:07 pm: |
I work at Patent, Trade Mark and Design searchers. One pleasant afternoon I was scanning over the eighty odd years of US Patent Abstracts we have strewn through various rooms of our office and was lucky enough to come across a patent for a device such as you mention. To my recollection, the wording was rather different than your elegant "Bong". I was taken by the urge to make a photocopy of this patent abstract, along with various other "Smoking Devices" (Including one attached to an umbrella). I shall have your answer (complete with a full patentspeak description) within 24 hours. |
By A on Monday, February 9, 1998 - 10:11 pm: |
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By R.C. on Monday, February 9, 1998 - 10:24 pm: |
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By Dave on Tuesday, February 10, 1998 - 01:54 am: |
It sounds like the young woman's teacher isn't doing a proper job teaching. I know, I railed on teachers in another thread. It's a pet peeve of mine. But, if this teacher is reducing a topic like Music to boring text memorization, it's a shame. It needs to be brought to life. A couple examples. My 3 1/2 yr old daughter can hum and pa pa pum along with every song in Fantasia because of the way it's presented. I could've played those same songs over and over on the CD player and she may have been able to absorb the melodies but I doubt she would've taken so much pleasure from them. Also, when I was in middle school, I had a math teacher who, every couple weeks, would take a few days break from our lessons and tell us stories about various mathematicians and what it was like to be one in, say, the 1600's in France, what kind of trouble they got in, rivalries with other mathematicians. Basically, what was going on in their minds and lives as they were making history. He painted portraits of these people and hung them on the wall behind him as he told the stories, and he wasn't reading from a book. It's amazing how such an approach can open a mind to learning. I recently bought an old box set of Ravel compositions for piano and I really enjoyed reading the pamphlet that came with it as I listened, and I think I enjoyed the music more as a result. I wish I could actually help you and the young woman find suitable and interesting sources of info. Is there a symphony in her town and are they approachable? In Seattle, the symphony will occasionally sponsor events for kids where they perform some and then mingle with the kids. That's so cool. I really feel, though, that if she or anyone else fails, it's the teacher who has failed and that's so wrong but I s'pose there nothing to be done about it. |
By Slacker on Tuesday, February 10, 1998 - 04:03 am: |
my "contributions",as you put it,are always innapropriate,to others that is.i post only for my own enjoyment.i,unlike you,do not require a response to satisfy me.you must understnd that i have an extremely over inflated ego,and any response i receive is just another chance to reply to words on my monitor. makes me happy. |
By Fredescu on Tuesday, February 10, 1998 - 04:42 pm: |
SMOKING DEVICE Inventors: Richard W. Kahler, Md., Assignor to surf and Psych Filed May 4 1973 A smoking device comprising: a chamber for maintaining a volume of fluid and having means defining a first opening within said chamber; first smoke conducting means disposed within said first opening means of said chamber and defining a first open end means inserted into said chamber so as to extend within said fluid and a second open end means extending outwardly from said chamber; second smoke conducting means also disposed within said first opening means of said chamber and defining a first open end means inserted into said chamber so as to extend within said fluid and a second open end means extending outwardly from said chamber, said first smoke conducting means also being inserted through means defining a second opening within said second smoke conducting means; means surrounding said first and second smoke conducting means providing a seal for said chamber opening means adjacent to said second opening in said second opening of said second smoke conducting means, and a smoking bowl connected to said second open end means of said first smoke conducting means for retaining smoking tobacco and permitting smoke to pass into said first smoke conducting means, whereby said smoke passing into said first means is drawn through said fluid and directed out through said second means. You can look at the whole thing here. |
By Slacker on Friday, February 13, 1998 - 03:24 am: |
thnx |
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