i'm from here

are you from here or Argentina? I haven't heard of anyone from Sorabji before.

hey eri, how much would it take for you fly out and pose naked for patrick's camera?

hahahahaha very funny Nate. I am not flying halfway across the country so that naked pics of me can end up on Sorabji and who knows where else. It wouldn't be fair to Patrick anyways. I have never posed for anything nude, and he would have to tell me EVERYTHING. I wouldn't know what I was doing, and that isn't fair to him. On top of that, I have too many body issues for anyone to see the pics other than my husband. I am a big fat chicken. Sorry Nate but I am not going to Cali so Patrick can take nakey pics. Would I trust Patrick to do it? Yes. But I am not going to travel to do them, and I still don't think it would be fair to him.

of course, airfare and accomidations would be covered. and patrick would be compensated. or, alternatively, how much would it take if patrick flew to you? the gig would be a couple hours in a location within 15-30 minutes of your home?

I honestly don't know. I am kinda taken aback at the moment about some guy other than my husband wanting to pay for naked pics of me. I feel complemented, don't get me wrong, but this is kinda odd for me. Spunky likes the idea, though. I still think it would be asking and awful lot of Patrick, too.

let patrick worry about patrick. think about it.

Allright. I am working on this in my head, and am actually considering this. My stupid question of the day is this..... Why do you want naked pics of ME????? Well that, and when all is said and done, how many people will have seen me naked? I mean, VERY FEW people actually have, and I could just see my ass all over the internet or something.

why not, eri? i wouldn't worry about your pics on the internet. that isn't the intent.

Maybe one day I will do it then. Though I haven't seen anything from Patrick to even see if he would be willing. I don't know too many people I would trust to take pictures like that. But I am not flying to Cali. It would need to be here. I don't want to chicken out and if it is here, I am less likely too.

Oh, and I want the negatives. Sound like an idea?

this is all very disturbing. cut it out.

yeah nate,cut it out. (no one keeps my negs unless i get paid 4 healthy digits .)

Does that mean a no from you? I need some kind of assurance that if you use her images on the web, then her face will not be visable. I understand that the copyrights will belong to the photographer and financier, but if Eri believes her image will be all over the net, then she will not do this. I realize that Nate said the internet was not the intent, so please clue me in. Thanks

ive never been asked spunk. but yes. that means a no. you guys have been subjected to nates bong fantasies yet again. it must have been a slow weekend for him.

okee dokee.

Don't cry for us Argentina the truth is we never left here or our mustard and bicuits with the potted meat,hummmm.

of course, patrick. your comission would be negotiated out after the model was secured.

What's your angle, Nate?

nate, stop confusing these people.

actually nate. i've reconsidered. send me where im needed.

hey, nobody's taking nakey pics of my wife till I get some answers.

im sure nate will address all your over protective needs.

i just don't like where any of this is going. thusly... cut it out.

you can move along ma'am.

I'll chip in $100 to help defray costs.

Now I am uncomfortable.

Eri's a grown woman spunky. Thusly, she can do what she wants. Eri, if you want my opinion, I'd say go for it. Be your own woman. Spunky'll watch the kids.

Ah, Nate's just planning on having future blackmail purposes for them pics. You know, like when spunk runs for president 'n' the like. Or, better yet, when eri does.

Actually that is something that could come into play, though not to that extent. Trace's grandfather was mayor of a town in Kansas for over 40 years straight. We will probably end up there. Politically these pictures could hurt us. Actually I wouldn't mind doing something, tasteful. I have seen the pictures that Patrick has taken of his wife and they are what I would like to see, not the same, but tasteful and beautiful. It is art and not cheap porn. I only have one issue with this, one question that is festering in the back of my mind, and that is this.... why would someone who I believe I have never met, want to spend thousands of dollars to get ahold of some naked pictures of me? I have never had anyone actually want to pay to see me naked. This is new, and I really don't understand that. It isn't like some guy is going to come over with a cheap camera and spend a total of $10. This is a lot of money, or at least it would be. So this is what confuses me? What really are your thoughts and intentions Nate? I just want to understand this one thing.

Ah Nate's probably fuckin' with ye. But the man does have enough disposable income to do it just for the heck of it, so you never know. He may be serious. :)

i just want to know what your price is, eri. non-price related details can be discussed later. price-related details should be outlined along with associated price deltas. patrick is an artist and it should be assumed that he controls composition. his catalog is evidence of his taste.

It wouldn't suck if he was serious, but I am not sure if he is. Nate has been quiet for a while now, so maybe he is chickening out? Now that I am thinking this could be a good thing and kinda fun he is chickening out? This just sucks. My luck.

I think she missed your post, Nate. Dougie. You are right. She is an adult, and entitled to her opinion, and if she stressed a strong desire to do this, I would not stand in here way. Because we respect each other. That being said, if I am uncomfortable with it, I doubt she would do it. That is the respect we have for each other. And, I know that this attitude is unpopular, even politically incorrect, but to hell with that. I still feel it is my job, my duty to watch out for her, and to be protective. We are a partnership. We are one. I could not see a marriage being any other way.

actually eri, as of my 5:14 post yesterday, Im ready. i've been studying a particular philosophy in photography as of late, that perhaps you could embody, turing a new page in my book. Or so i was thinking. I thought about it some more walking home, truly, I think there is some potential here. Maybe nate's trying his role as a patron of the arts. I wouldnt worry that he'd do anything unscrupulous though....seriously. You wouldn't be a model as much as I would be photographing you for you. Do you understand the difference? I have an aesthetic concept in mind, in all seriousness, that would depict you as you are, nothing more, nothing less. As far as "hurting any political career". BAH! These images would be treated professionally. Model releases signed ensuring nothing is published or exhibited publically without your written consent. Im ultra anal about what happens to my images and put a tight lid on what happens to images that warrant protecting. My first priority is your comfort, because if you arent comfortable, its a waste of everyone's time. My second is locking over-protective husbands and boyfriends out of the studio because they tend to intimidate the subject (kidding....sorta) Spunk, no one is trying to circumvent you, but rather suggesting that the conversation of comfort happen between the two of you, in private. You attitude about respect isn't unpopular, nor politically incorrect. In fact its the norm. Your attitude about "looking out for her" is a bit overboard and you should probably just hang tight. You wouldnt speak about her like that in public in front of her would you? If so, im betting you'd embarrass the girl. Im positive she highly considers your opinion...but lets hammer out things with her first, then you two can discuss. Cool?

Patrick, what you said above is the reason that I would trust you to take these pictures. I was joking about the political career. It isn't like either one of us is going to run for major office anywhere. Would one of us run for mayor of Redfield KS? If we lived there we would probably be expected to, but it is a very small town in the middle of the country. Nothing major. "i've been studying a particular philosophy in photography as of late, that perhaps you could embody, turing a new page in my book. Or so i was thinking. I thought about it some more walking home, truly, I think there is some potential here." Sounds good to me. As far as what I would charge....I don't know. I mean, I would like a boob job, but that seems a little much ;). I have never been asked to model for money before and haven't figured out what to ask in compensation. That would take some thought.

amateur rates run anywhere from $100-300/day depending your experience. However, I've never paid a model cash in my life. Ive usually worked a trade for prints/headshots etc. Ideally it would be best if you were in my studio that way i have all my equipment at my disposal. But I am comfortable with location.

"i've been studying a particular philosophy in photography as of late, that perhaps you could embody, turing a new page in my book. Or so i was thinking. I thought about it some more walking home, truly, I think there is some potential here." New angles in split beaver photography, eh Patrick?

thats not even funny. there was potential but you totally blew it.

Give me a break. Like you 2 were ever going to hook up.

WTF?? That's just wrong. Not even funny is an understatement. We are thinking on the same page, though, Patrick. I mean, I was thinking of just doing it for copies of pictures that Spunky or I would want. I thought about headshots, too, but I don't plan on auditioning for anything here, so it didn't seem important. I am not looking for an agent, but some pics for us wouldn't suck.

Actually Ward, I figured that if Nate chickens out, then I would talk to Patrick whenever I happen to take a trip to Cali. I have family that lives not to far from him. I just don't have a frickin clue when I would even plan to go back there. Vacations aren't on my current agenda, but it was in the back of my mind. If I happen to be there, why not? Dumbass.

Well even though it wasn't *that* funny, it was inevitable.

What does any of this have to do with Argentina anyways?

way to go dickhead. way to put a perfectly decent conversation in a ditch.

Thank You Patrick. I agree.

Get over yourself ya pissant blowhard. It was in the ditch anyways. Plus, if she wants to do it, she's not going to be scared off by the term "split beaver".

pissant blowhard? just admit it....these personas suck dougie. you win some, you loose some.

Geez. It isn't necessarily in the ditch. God you people are slow. If Patrick doesn't have a problem then it will be done. It is just a matter of figuring out where, and when and then coming up with the necessary fundage. I am actually looking forward to this and know someone else who has now checked out Patricks website who is interested in doing the same damned thing. Though, if the money comes through, she may have someone else do pictures of her earlier than that. By the way, Eddie Haskell (otherwise known as a family friend) doesn't talk like that, and wouldn't react like that. If I called him and told him what was going on he would have Chris (his oldest son, a year older than me) fly Patrick out in his personal plane. I just won't call and ask. Ugh.

"By the way, Eddie Haskell (otherwise known as a family friend) doesn't talk like that, and wouldn't react like that. If I called him and told him what was going on he would have Chris (his oldest son, a year older than me) fly Patrick out in his personal plane. I just won't call and ask. Ugh." My turn to say "WTF??" Jeez guys, sorry I offended your delicate sensibilities and virgin ears. It will never ever happen again. (What never? No never. What never? Well, hardly ever.)

ignore them. we still love you. why the heck aren't you people talking about this in email, anyway? I think you're just showing off.

ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding!!!

That sure is a lot of dings.

Thanks Gee. I feel much better now, especially after incurring the wrath of Patrick and Eri and being called a dickhead AND a dumbass in one day.

ask nate. gee. he started this. wrath? don't be such a pussy dougie. i just said you arent funny today. you're on 70% of the rest of the time just not this time.

who's being a pussy? who got all uppity in the first place? rule #1: always take patrick seriously unless patrick says otherwise. it's all about patrick.

suck it dave. im eating a turkey and swiss sandwich for breakfast. whaddya think bout that?

Don't worry Patrick, I was just playing. It's hard to inject plain text with sarcasm unless you do one of <sarcasm> these </sarcasm> kind of thingies. rule #1: always take patrick seriously unless patrick says otherwise. rule #2: never take me seriously unless I say otherwise.

Oh, and turkey and swiss for breakfast is just wrong.

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I have.

they are on the Blue Sky an Clear compliation you gave me, if Im not mistaken. But nothing is sticking out in my head though. Im open to any suggestions. I doubt gnucleus has anything but i'll check.

'scary world theory' is nice. what do you think, spider?

actually Gnucleus has some items from that item. Lets see if i can pluck them. Someone contemporary Ive been diggin, more for their collarboration work than anything else is the DC based group Thievery Corporation. They seem to get together with all kinds of peeps including Stereolab, Lee Scratch Perry

I liked it (her? him? them?). My brother played it for me, and I don't remember the album or song titles. I'm into really obnoxious stuff you can't rightly call music, like Squarepusher's "Burning'n'tree" album, right now.

I have the Thievery Corporation's "Mirror Conspiracy," which I also like, though I like Kruder & Dorfmeister's "K&D Sessions" better.

patrick, i'll put it up on the site tonight for you to check out. i have that thievery corp but haven't listened to it much. not into the reggae dub stuff at the moment which was what it seemed like when i heard it. spider, look up hrvatski's 'swarm and dither'. i've been moving into a more ambient direction, i really like arovane and monolake and ruxpin and christ and manual. i imagine it would be rather comical if you could watch me in traffic, cursing at people and getting all bent out of shape, while these low-key, minimal beats and warm analog sounds play in the background. spider, what do you think of mouse on mars? too goofy?

i saw mouse on mars a few years ago, they opened for stereolab. they were ok...but they production at the time was horrible, it sounded like shit. speaking of goofy, ever listened to Pram?

I don't think I've ever heard Mouse on Mars. I like goofy things, though. On one of my compilations, there's a Kid Koala song called "Carpal Tunnel Syndrome," and the beat is supplied by a typewriter. That's just so cute!

mirror consipracy is great.

patrick. lali puna here . if you like, i can put the second half up. they're touring the west coast in november. maybe i can conquer my ever-growing social fears by then. better yet, maybe i'll be bored with them by then.

i haven't heard pram. goofiness that transcends mere inside joke is tricky. <-- i hate that sentence -- been listening to too much dubya. his illiteracy is infectuous. maybe that's the idea. . .

this is not scary scary scary scary bad. how do you set up to record from scary scary scary scary scary your turntable to a cd or world world world world world pc? seems pretty high scary scary scary scary tech, though im sure world world world world world its not. sure i'll grab scary scary scary scary scary em if you put the other world world world world half up

so are you, eri and nate still negotiating???

you don't know?

no, if I remember correctly, i was told to BUTT OUT....that I was over protective and you all would let me know.

i never said that.

no, sorry about that. patrick did, so I backed off for a bit

sometimes spunky can be so sensitive. Too bad we aren't still negotiating. I noticed some people asked why we didn't discuss this over email, but I don't have anyone's email address any longer. It all ended up wiped off of my computer. At the very least, it was good to discuss the idea, without fear of what people would say, but to just go through the mental process.

NATE

what?

Addy, please. I have lost it again..

jesus christ dave.

patrick, try this. make your own mp3s from cds or lps or whatever.

spunky you fuck.

WHAT???

you sent me some email all full of DOD crap. i don't want to be involved.

too late....

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . heh heh heh.

thanks dave but i dont think i can do anything with that stuff. I dont have a burner.

yeah, but you can still make the mp3s. cd burners cost about 50 bucks.

thanks dave