Things in books that make you stop reading


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By Spider on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 - 03:38 pm:

    This thread will no doubt sink like a stone, but I'm reading Paul Auster's "Oracle Night" and I just came across a sentence that made me decide not to read any further.

    The sentence:

    "Less than an hour after he returns to the underground archive on Wednesday, Bowen commits one of the great blunders of his life, and because he assumes Ed will live -- and goes on assuming that even after his boss is dead -- he has no idea how gigantic the calamity he has made for himself truly is."


    So, great, now I have to spend the rest of the novel finding out how Bowen fucked his life up all because he lost his keys. This is extremely frustrating and beyond irritating, and I'm pissed that Auster a) decided to write about something so irritating in the first place, and b) essentially told me to be irritated, instead of letting me realize the consequences of Bowen's mistake later on in the book.

    I was liking this book, too; now I don't want to go on.


    So, what makes you stop reading?


By dave. on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 - 04:09 pm:

    apathy.

















    plain ol' shitty apathy.


By Antigone on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 - 04:19 pm:

    Sleep.

    I usually only read fiction before going to sleep at night. Unfortunately I fall alseep easily while laying down reading. I've been trying to finish "The da Vinci Code" for a month...


By TBone on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 - 04:21 pm:

    I'm reading Ilium by ... some guy.
    I might have stopped because very early in the book, the main character makes up his mind to do something that will almost surely mean his death, and is the scariest damn thing ever. And every once in a while, the author reminds me that the main character has this plan. The reader is included in every little thought the character has, except for the details of this daring plan.
    .
    Other than that, the book is good. But I haven't identified the merest clue as to what this plan might involve or accomplish.
    I'm really not one to give up on a book once I've started.


By Spider on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 - 04:43 pm:

    TBone, I would want to stop after that, too. That's just poor a decision on the writer's part, purposely shielding the readers to that single area of the character's thoughts. It's too much of a cop-out.


    I kept reading, and it turns out Bowen has locked himself into a fallout shelter. However will he escape? I'd better read further.


By semillama on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 - 04:48 pm:

    Sometimes I will stop reading if the premise of the author's argument is just completely wrong but the author harps on like it's teh most obvious truth.


By Spider on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 - 05:00 pm:

    Um, "purposely shielding the readers FROM..."


By Spider on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 - 05:03 pm:

    Sem, do you encounter that a lot in your field? That must be frustrating.


By patrick on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 - 05:41 pm:

    apathy and lack of interest.

    i admit to a short attention span and regrettably few books can keep my attention day in day out.


By Spider on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 - 05:52 pm:

    I'm trying to figure out if Auster is writing badly on purpose, or if he's really lost his touch.

    *******
    "Too bad you're married," she whispered. "You and I could have made some beautiful music together, Sid."
    ******

    What. the. fuck. Paul Auster is a genius -- why is he writing such horrible dialogue? That was HORRIBLE. The book is full of lines like that.

    I don't get it.


By kazu on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 - 05:59 pm:

    I don't get it either, though I don't read much Auster.

    Since I am required to read about 99% of everything I do read, I usually finish it and if I don't finish, it's usually because I have run out of time. Often I stop reading and start skimming it because the book is unrelated to my topic area and I have other things which are more important to do. Generally I try to finish everything though that isn't always possible.

    When it comes to pleasure reading, I have a terrible habit of stopping for no reason. I don't know what it is. Many books I've read, I've actually only read about 3/4 of. That's not always the case. Often it's because I have more than one book going and as I switch back and forth, some slip through the cracks. I still have 10 pages left of Somerste Maughm's Of Human Bondage from about 4 years ago. I thought that one I'd finish for sure but I started Gogol's Dead Souls and never got to those 10 pages.


By kazu on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 - 06:01 pm:

    Somerset Maugham.

    It's spelled S-O-M-E-R-S-E-T M-A-U-G-H-A-M.


By heather on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 - 06:27 pm:

    all i do now is read

    well, read, do a little yoga [heh i do suck] go buy fruit

    maybe work a little on a game mod, learning maya


    my parents' fears of california were true


By wisper on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 - 07:10 pm:

    I'm taking time off reading to learn to make chainmail.
    It's magically easy and cheap but very very very tedious, ie) I just finished a simple choker, it took 174 rings. And several hours, but it was my first time.

    It's strangely similar to knitting.



    (see, i can't find the sorabji knitting thread, so i had to put it here)


By TBone on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 - 07:12 pm:

    I've been meaning to try my hand at chainmail. If only because you can sell it for a pretty penny.


By Anitgone on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 - 07:13 pm:

    "You and I could have made some beautiful music together, Sid."

    Mattering on the context, that could be ironic use of cliche, I guess. The "beautiful music" meme is too common to be coincidence.


By Spider on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 - 09:13 pm:

    I don't know, Antigone....I don't have the book with me now to give you more examples, but almost all of the dialogue in the story is that lame and unnatural. He could be doing it on purpose, but I can't think of why he'd want to do that.


    I've just started crocheting again. I missed it.


By Spider on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 - 09:35 pm:

    All right, this has to be deliberate:

    ***************
    Grace closed her eyes and smiled. "You've always loved me, haven't you, Sidney?"

    "From the first moment I saw you."

    "Do you know why I married you?"

    "No, I've never been brave enough to ask."

    "Because I knew you'd never let me down."

    "You bet on the wrong horse, Grace. I've been letting you down for almost a year now. First, I drag you through hell by getting sick, and then I throw us into debt with nine hundred unpaid medical bills. Without your job, we'd be out on the street. You're carrying me on your shoulders, Ms. Tebbetts. I'm a kept man."

    "I'm not talking about money."

    "I know you're not. But you're still getting a raw deal."

    "I'm the one who owes you, Sid. More than you know -- more than you'll ever know. As long as you're not disappointed in me, I can live through anything."

    "I don't understand."

    "You don't have to understand. Just keep on loving me, and everything will take care of itself."

    *********************



    Um.

    Ew. Could that be any more ridiculous? It's just a long litany of clichès. This is either some meta comment on the novel (Sidney is an out-of-work author) or the poor man has suffered a stroke or something.



By Antigone on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 - 10:46 pm:

    Sounds like dialog from a high-B grade 50's movie.


By Platypus on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 - 01:11 am:

    spider, that book pissed me off.

    so badly.

    i have the same problem mentioned above--it's really hard for me to stop reading a book once i've started, unless it is really truly bad. even books that are awful (true and outstanding adventures of the hunt (cunt?) sisters, anyone?), i read anyway. i'm a voracious reader. and once i've started a book i just can't abandon it in the middle.

    right now i am reading "scribbling the cat" by alexandra fuller (she wrote "don't lets go to the dogs tonight".) it's a very good book. when it comes out, in may, i may suggest it as a sorabji book. it's that good. it has war, africans, and disease all in one book. neato.

    i read books before i go to bed too. i can't sleep unless i've read at least a few pages.


By moonit on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 - 01:39 am:

    I read about 8-10 books a week. I am a book junkie. I don't want to think about the money I have spent in the last year on books.


By J on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 - 02:12 am:

    Jesus Moonit,go to a library,save your money for holiday:)I've had more time to read now that I've been liberated from babysitting.I just read Holidays on Ice by David Sadaris 3 previously published stories and three new ones, Seasons Greetings to Our Friends and Family had me laughing out loud.I love that man.


By TBone on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 - 11:11 am:

    It's great having a girlfriend who works at the public library. I can have her bring home books so I don't have to go get them myself. And no late fees!


By semillama on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 - 11:57 am:

    I have that problem more so with the humanities books I read than with the more scientific archaeology books. The wacked-out "Phoenicians discovered Atlantis in South America" stuff I don't read a lot of, but when I do it's strictly for entertainment.


By kazu on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 - 04:44 pm:

    spider, i have a question, is bryn mawr's unofficial slogan, "only our failures marry?" It was in a chapter from a book written by an alum. It made me think of you, the bryn mawr part, not the failure/marry part.


By Spider on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 - 06:12 pm:

    I've never heard that before. I'm actually kind of stunned by it -- I never got the feeling that we were discouraged to marry, even amongst each other. When was the book written? Or, even better, do you know when the woman graduated? Maybe it was like that at Bryn Mawr in the old days.

    I would say our unofficial slogan would be, "However much work you think you have to do, I have more." Maybe because we weren't allowed to discuss our grades, we were always in competition to see who had the most papers to write (or other schoolwork to do) at any given time.


By moonit on Thursday, March 4, 2004 - 04:39 am:

    I just finished all my Lawrence Block books. I'm gutted. Admittedly some of them I have read four or five times (I love to rearead - because I read so fast I pick up things I missed first time round). He's a hard author to get here in NZ, or especially in Christchurch, and the second hand bookstore I have found a few in, the guy that runs it also loves him, so we compete. (bastard).

    What the heck am I going to read now?


By Harvery Wordman on Thursday, March 4, 2004 - 05:19 pm:

    The Washington Post's Style Invitational once again asked readers to take any word from the dictionary, alter it by adding, subtracting, or
    changing one letter, and supply a new definition. Here are 2003's winners:

    1. INTAXICATION: Euphoria at getting a tax refund, which lasts until you realize it was your money to start with.

    2. REINTARNATION: Coming back to life as a hillbilly.

    3. BOZONE (n.): The substance surrounding stupid people that stops bright ideas from penetrating. The bozone layer, unfortunately, shows little
    sign of breaking down in the near future.

    4. FOREPLOY: Any misrepresentation about yourself for the purpose of getting laid.

    5. CASHTRATION (n.): The act of buying a house,which renders the subject financially impotent for an indefinite period.

    6. GIRAFFITI: Vandalism spray painted very, very high.

    7. SARCHASM: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.

    8. INOCULATTE: To take coffee intravenously when you are running late.

    9. HIPATITIS: Terminal coolness.

    10. OSTEOPORNOSIS: A degenerate disease. (This one got extra credit.)

    11. KARMAGEDDON: It's like, when everybody is sending off all these really bad vibes, right? And then, like, the Earth explodes and it's like, a serious bummer.

    12. DECAFALON (n.): The grueling event of getting through the day consuming only things that are good for you.

    13. GLIBIDO: All talk and no action.

    14. DOPELER EFFECT: The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come at you rapidly.

    15. ARACHNOLEPTIC FIT (n.): The frantic dance performed just after you've accidentally walked through a spider web.

    16. BEELZEBUG (n.): Satan in the form of a mosquito that gets into your bedroom at three in the morning and cannot be cast out.

    17. CATERPALLOR (n.): The color you turn after finding half a grub in the fruit you're eating.

    And the pick of the literature:

    18. IGNORANUS: A person who's both stupid and an asshole.


By TBone on Thursday, March 4, 2004 - 07:19 pm:

    Dancing Naked in the Mind Field by Kary Mullis


By Spider on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 09:36 pm:

    I found this thread and I have to add "Enduring Love" by Ian McEwan to the "books I will never finish because I cannot abide the trick of explicitly telling the reader, 'little did I know at this time that I was making the decision that would ruin everything'" list.

    Please, for the love of humanity, don't do this, authors.

    I've also started McEwan's "Atonement" four times and have never gotten past the first 50 pages -- even though the theme of the book is probably my very favorite theme in all of fiction -- because I hate the name he chose for his main character and I hate how Charming and Precocious she is. Stupid reasons, but I can't get past them.


By Dougie on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 11:23 pm:

    I'm at about the same place in Atonement, Spider, when I put it down a couple of weeks ago, and haven't picked it up since.


By Spider on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 12:00 am:

    But don't you really want to have read it, Dougie? Huh?!

    I mean, the book won the Booker Prize, and it's highly praised by so many other authors, and it's about ATONEMENT, for God's sake! It's about screwing up, and screwing up other people's lives, and having to pay for that for the rest of *your* life, which is a theme I LOVE, and it's about World War II, too.....I mean, I should LOVE this book! I should!

    But -- "Briony"? Please. And I know I probably acted just like she does when I was 13. But still. I can't read it.


    I also can't read Dostoevsky's "The Idiot." This is the third time I've tried, and I still can't get past page 275. The hardest part for me is that so many characters behave so bizarrely, I can't figure out their motivations at all. It just seems like they say things totally at random, and get angry totally at random. I can't figure it out.

    On the other hand, I'm reading Elizabeth Kostova's "The Historian" for the third time, and I love it. And, yo, I know it's about Dracula, blah blah blah, but it's so full of history and geography and scholarship! You (or at least I) HAVE to love a book in which every single character is either a librarian, a graduate student, an historian, or...you know...Dracula.


By droopy on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 12:15 am:

    someone - some english guy - once said: it's a sin to finish a book simply because you started it (more or less).

    it's thundering and raining like a bastard. elsewhere, like in parker county where my 80+ year old uncle lives in a house alone, there are supposed to be tornados.

    i'm still working on the quiroga. i had a breakthrough just now when i realized the when he says "la caída del rocío" (the fall of the dew), he means when morning comes.


By dave. on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 12:40 am:


By droopy. on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 12:48 am:

    i love it too. even if a tornado has already leveled downtown fort worth once (while i was living in it, just missing me). it gives it more drama. actually, the storm seems to be over. i'm just glad my transformer held out and i'm sitting here in the dark.

    oop, big ass clap of thunder.


By platypus on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 01:07 am:

    That's odd, I am frozen in more or less the same place in Atonement as well, for all the reasons discussed above. I think I have decided that McEwan is a poopy author, in general.

    I have a stack of books next to my bed that usually consists of things to read next, and I keep restarting Atonement and then shoving it to the bottom of the pile because I can't stand it. Today, I brought it to work where I knew I would be bored and sitting for five hours in order to force myself to finish it.

    I ended up getting to page 50 and staring at the wall until I could clock out.

    I miss cool weather.


By Spider on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 01:15 am:

    Wow! Page 50 for you, too? Why did I ever leave this place? My people are here!

    OK, so, since I'm here, for a little while at least, let me praise to the skies "The Crimson Petal and the White" by Michel Faber. I've read it three times, and I love it, and I think Faber is fabulous, and I tried to read his "Under the Skin" but it was too weird for me, but "The Courage Consort" was really good.

    Whew.

    Seriously, though. "The Crimson Petal and the White." Try it.


By kazu on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 01:44 am:

    I think that The Historian will be my next audio book.

    I've had really good luck with audio books and they
    make the drives between Columbus and Atlanta go
    by superfast. I've heard Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell
    by Susana Clarke, The Blind Assassin by Margaret Atwood,
    Right Ho Jeeves and Jeeves in the Morning by P.G. Wodehouse,
    The Mysterious Flame of Queen Loana by Umberto Eco
    (I'm actually still working on this one), The Curious Incident
    of the Dog in the Nighttime by Mark Haddon.

    The last one I listened to, however, was just crap. Total
    Crap. This Book Will Save Your Life by A. M. Holmes. The
    first half was entertaining enough (which is generally all I'm
    looking for), but the second half drove me crazy. Crap.


By Spider on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 08:44 pm:

    I loved "the Blind Assassin," and P.G. Wodehouse is one of my five favorite authors. Right on.

    A.M. Holmes wrote "The End of Alice," right? That was satisfactory. But I read somewhere that Playboy magazine ranked it in its top 25 sexiest books ever, or whatever, and it so totally is not.


By agatha on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 10:29 pm:

    The last book I couldn't finish was called "The Basic Eight" by Daniel Handler. I had heard good things about it, and the subject matter dictated that I would enjoy it, but it was a bit too cutesy clever for me to bear. I am one of those horrible people who feels compelled to finish all of the books I start, so it is rather telling when I don't finish one. One book I never managed to finish but intend to some day is "Atlas Shrugged." I felt defeated by that one. I took "The Historian" out of the library twice, but never started it because I was frightened by the three week return timeframe at the time. It was in the heavy rotation list, so you couldn't renew. I'm thinking I just need to buy it.


By sarah on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 10:48 am:

    atonement sucks. it sucks so bad, i can't believe it won an award. desperate times, maybe.


    i won't keep reading a book just to finish it. i've closed a book a chapter from the end and took it out to the trash where it belonged. thankfully i can't remember the title. it doesn't merit the memory.


    i am so desperate for a new book. senor has a copy of beloved in his book box, but, but, but... it's just so *serious*.


    "lamb" caught my attention for a few pages, until it occurred to me that it's got about 75-100 pages too many. seems like a cute idea, but not for its length. a little too schticky. plus, i know how the story ends already.



By kazu on Wednesday, June 21, 2006 - 11:40 am:

    Right now I am reading The Victim by Saul Bellow, which is pretty good. I also started Fingersmith by Sarah Waters. Next up is The New York Trilogy by Paul Auster (I've been wanting to read mysteries but I still need them to be somewhat literary) and something by Raymond Andrews.


By Spider on Wednesday, June 21, 2006 - 05:36 pm:

    I loved the New York Trilogy! That's how my love affair with Paul Auster began. The spark went out after I read Oracle Night. But I've also read In the Country of Last Things, The Invention of Solitude, The Music of Chance, Moon Palace, Leviathan, and the Book of Illusions. I just really dig the guy.

    Actually, I think I didn't like the third book in the trilogy: the Locked Room. But the first two, yes.


By Spider on Wednesday, June 21, 2006 - 05:37 pm:

    BTW, thanks, Sarah, for validating my secret thoughts about Atonement and McEwan in general.


By kazu on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 02:46 pm:

    I stopped reading American Gods by Neil Gaiman about 20 pages in because the prose was so boring and mediocre that it made my eyes hurt.

    However, I just started reading his book Neverwhere. I cannot say that the prose is that much better, but the story has sucked me in.

    However, it's still not as good as Hardboiled Wonderland and the End of the World.


    I'll probably finish Neverwhere this evening and then I will start The New York Trilogy.


By Dougie on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 03:12 pm:

    I just got Anasi Boys delivered from Amazon the other day. Must start that soon.


By kazu on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 03:27 pm:

    I think Anasi Boys is the one that Sem and I are going to listen to when we drive up to the Upper Peninsula next month. He says the narrator is amazing.


By Nate on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 03:48 pm:

    i did the opposite, kazu. i put down neverwhere.

    he writes a lot better when someone is drawing pictures.


By kazu on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 03:56 pm:

    I can't read graphic novels. It doesn't matter how good the writing or the illustration is, they always make my head hurt.


By Nate on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 05:29 pm:

    that's too bad. his work with dave mckean is fucking awesome.


By TBone on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 05:52 pm:

    I get impatient with graphic novels, but I'm not sure what I'm impatient for.


By kazu on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 06:06 pm:

    I loved MirrorMask.


By droopy on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 11:17 pm:

    i have an anthology of "american splendor" that has "graphic novel" written on the spine. i like it. in some ways i'm a lot like harvey pekar. i also have a tintin comic in dutch. and a 1935-36 anthology of krazy kat sunday funnies.

    the last book i had to stop reading was "the cold six thousand" by james ellroy.


By agatha on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 11:39 pm:

    I'm on a Harvey Pekar tear right now. I keep telling Dave to watch the movie, but he ignores me. I'm just finishing "The Quitter." Good shit.

    Kazu, you've got to give "American Gods" another try. It gets really good, I promise.

    "I highly recommend the pina coladas- they're very AUTHENTIC tasting."


By droopy on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 11:52 pm:

    i have yet to see the movie. a friend of mine just bought a dvd player. i'll have to invite myself over some time with a copy.


By Margret on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 12:17 am:

    wait: why did you have to stop reading the ellroy, droopy?


By droopy on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 12:30 am:

    it was just too difficult for me to concentrate on the rapid-fire, one-line-at-a-time style. i had started reading the book not long after i had broken my knee and was taking vicodin. i would forget most of what i read (or simply had not retained it in the first place) at the end of each chapter. maybe i'll pick it up again some time. what i can remember was interesting, especially if you live in texas.


By sarah on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 10:56 am:


    i'm about 3/4 of the way through the time traveler's wife. loving it.


    when it gets to be too much, i pick up the military history of afghanistan again. right now i'm at about 400 AD when the huns invaded and destroyed the (at the time very new) Buddhist culture and left the country ruined.





By semillama on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 12:27 pm:

    I remember there was one book by Leroi Jones I never finished, Blues People I think it was called. He started spouting some absolute horseshit about the history of civilization in Africa that was basically on the level of "Atlantis is in the Caribbean and is responsible for all pyramids ever" malarky. He lost all credibility with me after that.

    The audio version of Anansi Boys that Kazu and I will be listening to is read by Lenny Henry, and it's the best performance of a novel I've ever heard, and I dare say it's probably more enjoyable to listen to the audio version than to read the print version


By kazu on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 01:07 pm:

    Leroi Jones wrote one of my favorite poems, "Study Peace," but I
    haven't been able to stomach much of his other work.


By droopy on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 02:41 pm:

    i've got a book with some his poems in it. he's identified as imamu amiri baraka (leroi jones). but i've never got around to reading them. i'll check them out.

    by the way, have i ever mentioned my love for fanboy radio? it's a comicbook talk show that originates in fort worth and plays on the local college radio station. i'm listening to it right now. i still never buy comic books or graphic novels, but i like listening to them talk about it.


By kazu on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 02:58 pm:

    Well, I finished Neverwhere. I'm glad it's over.

    I'll give him credit for sucking me in but otherwise it was not well written and the plot and characters were kind of thin.

    Tonight I start The New York Trilogy and/or something by Raymond Andrews. Appalachee Red, I think.


By Spider on Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 11:26 am:

    That's funny, Kazu, because I just got "American Gods"
    from the library yesterday, after making a special trip
    just to get it. I read it a couple of years ago and really
    liked it, and now that I've lived with people who have
    been to the House on the Rock, I wanted to read the
    book again and see how it compared to their
    descriptions.

    I haven't read "Neverwhere" but I've seen the (ultra-low-
    budget) BBC adaptation. That wasn't too bad. It
    seemed like I'd like the book, but, ah, it's checked out at
    the moment. I read "Stardust" and enjoyed it. I'll get
    "Anansi Boys" when it's available.

    I'm trying to read Jonathan Lethem's "As She Crawled
    Across the Table," but I'm not feeling it. I adored
    "Motherless Brooklyn," so I know the man's got skillz
    (and he's quite a handsome man -- thank you, back
    cover, for revealing this to me), but this one just isn't
    doing it. "Motherless Brooklyn" was, after "The Crimson
    Petal and the White," my favorite novel I read this year,
    so maybe my standards are set too high.


By semillama on Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 08:20 pm:

    I'm working my way through Robin Hoob's set of trilogies. She's
    this sorta new fantasy author, and her stories really hook you in.
    Great characters. The current series involves magic ships with lives
    of their own, pirates, and sea serpents. It's nowhere near as silly as
    that sounds.


By heather on Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 08:25 pm:

    as she crawled across the table, right fizzles


By kazu on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 10:23 am:

    Spider, why must you lie to me:

    By Spider on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 12:10 pm:

    Have you read Neverwhere? I did. I thought it was kind of
    thin, but I liked it.


    And we both described it the same way. However, I believe
    that I read that last week when I got the book and then
    appropriated your opinion to mine.


By kazu on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 10:25 am:

    And I finished the first book in the New York Trilogy
    this morning. Paul Auster is an amazing writer.


By Spider on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 01:36 pm:

    Gosh, I had forgotten I'd read it. That can't be very high
    praise, can it?

    I'm glad you love Auster. Me, too! Though -- and, oh, it
    hurts to say this; I feel mutinous -- he seems to have
    declined over the years. "City of Glass" -- brilliant.
    "Oracle Night" -- uh.. I picked up "The Red Notebook" a
    few days ago and read through half of it: it seems to be
    merely simple stories of coincidence in his life. The
    stories are interesting enough, but his prose wants
    color.

    I'd still marry him, though. But my children belong to
    Sherman Alexie.


By agatha on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 09:50 pm:

    I know this is supposed to be about books that we don't like, but I feel compelled to tell you to read "Crossing California" by Adam Langer. I'm reading it now, and it rocks. It's about several Jewish families (and one non-Jew family) who live on either side of a street in Chicago that essentially divides the haves from the have-nots. It's a good book if you want to recall the painful adolescent years. Good shit.


By kazu on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 11:12 pm:

    Agatha, you should read The Changelings by Jo
    Sinclair


By kazu on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 11:14 pm:

    Agatha, you should read The Changelings by Jo
    Sinclair


By agatha on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 11:32 pm:

    Okay. Okay.


By Spider on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 10:18 am:

    So I forced myself to read Ian McEwan's "The Cement Garden."

    I don't know what it is with this guy, but I insist on proving
    to myself that he'll be good for me, much in the same way I
    insist on feeding myself tomatoes even though I don't like
    them.

    I went with "The Cement Garden" because it was McEwan's
    first novel and I was hoping he hadn't yet developed the
    irritating tendencies his later work revealed. I can't say
    whether those qualities were in the first novel or not,
    because I was distracted by the emotional disturbance the
    book was causing in me.

    Maybe I'm lightweight, but I don't really like being disturbed
    by books. Or at least, not when the disturbance is due to the
    feelings of grossness and disgust and clamminess and
    dirt the book inspires. The novels about a family of four kids,
    two of whom are incestuously inclined, whose mother dies
    and then they bury her in their basement and cover her with
    cement, only they don't cover her well enough and the scent
    of her decomposing body wafts throughout the house, and
    the boyfriend of the eldest girl figures this out, and then he
    watches his girlfriend have sex with her brother and that's
    how it ends. On the last page, the brother and sister are
    finally having sex. Thanks, Ian.

    And I read this on the train while the middle-aged man
    sitting next to me was clearly reading over my shoulder.

    GAH.


By kazu on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 11:56 am:

    You should read Ada, or Ardor: A Family Chronicle.

    I don't know how, but somehow Nabokov makes brother
    sister incest palatable.

    I'm just waiting for someone to recommend Ian McEwan
    to me so I can laugh at them. For some reason, I've never
    even been mildly curious about him.

    I'm so pissed. I don't have enough time to read anything
    other than dissertation related material. I never finished
    "Midnight's Children" and that is the only thing I want to
    read right now. I'd put it next to my bed and read a few
    pages every night, but that never works for me.


By Spider on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 01:37 pm:

    You know, after I read Lolita in college, I looked for Ada, or Ardor, but wasn't able to find it in my library (thinking back, it must have been checked out, because we had a great library). So, thanks for reminding me!

    BTW, I am SO HAPPY right now, because I just got my first paper back (not the sadly non-awesome paper on Rebecca, but a paper for my evaluation of libraries class). I was so afraid I failed because I totally missed the fact that it was supposed to be 4 pages single-spaced, and I double-spaced, and after my professor's comments in class it sounded like everyone did very poorly, and I talked to a classmate and she complained that he micromanaged her writing style and picked at everything. Well. 24/30, baby. He barely picked at a thing, and when he made a comment, he was right. He didn't hold my double-spaces against me but took points off because my reference page apparently counts in the page count, thereby bringing my page count to 5.

    Since we get a chance to revise our papers for full credit, all I need to do is single-space (bringing the total to 4 pages exactly) and make some very minor changes, and I'll get a 30/30. Huzzah!

    I'm so happy I'm a real student! All my "Mom and Papà love me more when I behave" issues come out when I'm in school, and it becomes so important for me to do well, not for the grade but for my professors' approval. It's kind of sick, but this often is the only motivation I have to do well, especially when the class isn't very interesting. So I'm in no rush to get therapy.

    Now about that Rebecca project.

    Kazu, I saw that you mentioned Rebecca on another thread but I wasn't able to comment on it then...so I'll do it now...


By droopy on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 02:03 pm:

    for the past couple of weeks i've been trying to start a book called 'before texas changed: a fort worth boyhood'. it's by a guy named david murph, who went to school with my mother. the book jacket reads, in part: "murph recalls a mischievous childhood punctuated by adventures in driving, occasional acts of accidental arson, more than one trip to the jailhouse, and countless other tales." he is now the director of church relations for texas christian university. my most compelling reason for reading this book is that one of murph's partners in crime is my urologist.


By Nate on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 02:32 pm:

    do you really want to know the accidental fires your urologist set?

    i've been working on cien años de soledad. i do not think my trouble is so much with the books as with having lost my reading conditioning.

    i wonder what i'd be like if i were consistent.

    i want to read ada. lolita was the first book that i can remember that had a huge impact on me. light in august was the second.

    if nobokov and faulkner could come back to life and give me tandem oral, i would die and be reborn as a white winged angel.


By kazu on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 04:58 pm:

    shit nate, I think you read my fucking mind earlier.

    I looked at an amazon review of Atonement (I think) and it was titled, "If God Were a Novelist" or some shit like that.

    And I immediatly thought of Nabokov and Faulkner instead of McEwan.

    I want to read Light in August again.


By eri on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 08:58 pm:

    I cannot think of a book that truly impacted my life and not just my thinking for a space of time, but had a long term effect.

    I wish I could say that I have read that something amazing. I wish. I like to read something heavy and intellectual and emotional, and then read something full of shit to not drag me so far into it.

    I guess I am looking for that book that can drag me into a piece of my own history. It's why I love geology and archaeology. The history. The understanding of the intricate workings of life before mine. Now I'm looking for that life related to mine (other than the life of Adolph Hitler).

    So I'm ready to dig into the history of the Irish during the potato famine (which is when my relative immigrated to the US and there is some damned historical society in Indiana that has a copy of the journal from when a relative of mine came to the US). I want to learn more about those who were German citizens in Germany during WWII that fought for the US and came here as citizens (that would be my Grandmother). I want to learn so much, but don't have a clue as to where to begin.


By Dr Pepper on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 12:09 am:

    Eri, try a bookstore, or a website


By agatha on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 02:23 am:

    Good advice, Dr. Pepper.

    (duh)

    Eri, you need to go to the library and let a reference librarian do reader's advisory on yo ass.


By eri on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 10:00 am:

    There's a good idea. Now all I need is the time to do it.......


By Spider on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 04:46 pm:

    Eri, look for "A Woman in Berlin," by anonymous -- it's a diary kept by...a woman in Berlin during WWII. I've seen nothing but praise for it.

    About my Rebecca project: I worked so hard on the PowerPoint presentation, and today in class (I'm actually writing this during our break), I went to open the file and it crashed the computer, so I had to wing my whole speech. I didn't say half the things I wanted to say, and when I asked my professor if she wanted me to email her the file, she told me (nicely) that it would be too much for her to download so just leave it be. I lost my chance to redeem myself for that paper. :~(

    But I have two more projects to work on for this class this semester, and I'm going to rock their faces off.


By Spider on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 04:48 pm:

    Eri, here is a link to the Amazon site for "A Woman in Berlin."

    I almost bought it last night, but I got Erik Larson's "The Devil in the White City" instead -- that's another one I've heard praised to the skies, and it's about the World Fair and the serial killer H.H. Holmes, so how could I resist?


By eri on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 05:28 pm:

    Thanks Spider. That looks really good. I'm gonna check with my cousin and see if she can get it on her discount (I know, bad, but I'm cheap).

    Besides, isn't the normal rule if they're family and you live under the same roof you get the discount?


By Spider on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 01:26 pm:

    I just learned that Ian McEwan's "Atonement" is being made into
    a movie with Kiera Knightley.

    And I thought the character of Briony couldn't be more irritating.


By agatha on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 04:26 pm:

    Never read that book. I heard it was good- should I add it to my list?


By agatha on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 04:45 pm:

    Nevermind, I just read the rest of the thread. I am on a roll with partially reading books that don't grab me. I read a book called "The Mercy of Thin Air" by Ronlyn Domingue, and while her writing style was very nice, it was so obviously an exercise in narcissism that I couldn't really enjoy it all the way. Plus, I thought one of the main characters was really unlikeable. I finished it, but it took me a long time. Then I started on a book called "After This" by Alice McDermott, and even though it was good, it was such a quiet book that I got bored and didn't finish it before I had to return it. I think I'll revisit that one. Now I'm trying to read "Homicide" by David Simon because he writes my favorite TV show ever "The Wire," but it's so frickin long and depressing and there's so many characters that I lose track of the story. I just don't know.

    I love me some Lawrence Block, Moonie. Did you read the most recent Keller one "Hit Parade?" It was great. I love how philosophical he is.


By moonit on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 08:18 pm:

    Yes, loved Hit Parade. i love Keller, but I think Matthew Scudder is my favourite - although I didn't enjoy the latest one as much as his older novels.


By Spider on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 11:30 pm:

    Agatha, I loved David Simon's "Homicide," but I think I read
    it after having first watched a season or so of the show
    (from your post it sounds like you haven't seen it, but...
    haven't you? Or was that just Margret and Gee?). If you've
    seen the show, it's easy to keep the "characters" in the book
    straight because you can tell which of the show's characters
    were based on which real people (e.g., Tim Bayliss on the
    show was based on Tom Pelligrini).

    If you haven't seen the show, get thyself to your Netflix
    queue and throw season 1 on there. The episode, "Three
    Men & Adena," which I think was episode five or six of the
    first season, is one of the greatest hours ever broadcast on
    television. Other shows (Law and Order: SVU comes to
    mind) have copied this episode's format, but none come
    anything close to the power of the original.


By Spider on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 11:48 pm:

    Uh, I don't know why I used "thyself" and "your" in the same
    sentence.


By droopy on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 12:23 am:

    i haven't been reading much lately, but my book club flyer came in this weekend. they have "a thousand years of good prayers" by yiyun li, which i've been planning to read; and a book called "adverbs" by daniel handler - "the alter ego of lemony snicket." sounds interesting.


By agatha on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 05:02 pm:

    Spider, I've got Homicide on my netflix queue, but I thought it might be better if I read the book first. Do you think I should watch the first season, then read the book?

    Moonit, I love Matthew Scudder too. I love the way they write about his relationship with Elaine. Such an odd but good couple.

    Droopy, I hope your Daniel Handler experience is better than mine. I tried to read "The Basic Eight," and couldn't finish it. It very much irritated me.


By droopy on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 07:04 pm:

    spider had recommended the lemony snicket books to me (and then, by coincidence, someone gave me one to read) and i liked it. so the daniel handler seemed like a safe gamble. i was just checking out some online reviews of "adverbs"; the reviews were all right, but the theme of the book is about love. books about love always bore me. maybe i'll get the jose saramago book.


By Spider on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 12:08 am:

    Which Jose Saramago book is that, again? (I read "Blindness"
    and remember liking it.)

    Agatha, I think it would be A-OK for you to see the first
    season and then read the book, just because it might help
    put a face to the names and picture the settings (the show
    was filmed on location in Baltimore).


By droopy on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 12:32 am:

    i have a choice between "seeing" and "the double". since the first one is some kind of sequel to "blindness", i think i'll go with the second book. unless i decide on something else.


By Spider on Tuesday, January 15, 2008 - 07:05 pm:

    So I went to see "Atonement" yesterday in the hopes that it would inspire me to finally, FINALLY read the book all the way through.

    It did not.

    Okay, yes, I cried. It was emotionally engaging, I will give it that. But that was it. Ultimately, it was just an empty story.

    Oh, well. Now I know to leave the book be and move onto something more interesting.

    I do want to read McEwan's "On Chesil Beach," though -- I read an excerpt of it in The New Yorker a while ago and liked it.


By Spider on Tuesday, January 15, 2008 - 07:09 pm:

    Oh, hey, I just read through this thread and laughed because I am once again trying to read Dostoevsky's "The Idiot." And I'm stuck. AGAIN. In the same spot I always get stuck at.

    So now I'm inclined to blame the book -- it just loses momentum in the middle -- and not my own crappy attention span.

    The thing is, I REALLY WANT TO FINISH IT THIS TIME. Seriously.

    Maybe I should stop posting and start reading.


By droopy on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 - 03:53 am:

    buy a bottle of vodka and make a pot of cabbage soup.

    that's how i handle dusty offsky


By droopy on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 - 03:55 am:

    by the way: you ever a read a book called "the master and margarita" by a russian guy named bulgakov?


By Spider on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 - 12:25 pm:

    No, I haven't. What's it about?


By droopy on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 - 04:44 pm:

    as near as i can remember, it's about the devil making a trip to soviet russia just to mess with the rational, atheist russians. there's more to it than that, but it's been over 20 years since i read it. back when i was high school, i had a friend whose father was a professor of russian and he (the friend) gave me that book to read.

    i think a lot of it was lost on me at the time, but i remember enjoying it anyway because of the funny, energetic writing. when you mentioned dusty offsky, it made me think of that book. i'll have to re-read it sometime.

    i just thought it would be a book that would interest you while you're in a russian lit mode.


By Dr Pepper on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 12:16 am:

    droopy, you a commie?


By jack on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 01:41 am:


    "commie"?


    what year is it?

    WHAT TIME IS IT?


By heather on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 02:14 am:

    you really need to stop saying that


By jack on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 02:27 am:

    incorrect response.


By droopy on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 02:32 am:

    to be fair, i am kind of a pinko socialist bastard.

    but only if it benefits me.


By heather on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 06:46 am:

    :P


By Spider on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 01:06 pm:

    When I go to the library tomorrow, Droopy, I'll look for it.

    I read "On Chesil Beach" yesterday. (It's very thin, and you can read it in an afternoon.) It wasn't at all bad, and McEwan did a very fine job in drawing his characters (particularly the female protagonist, whose nature was probably difficult for a man to imagine, which actually is one of the points of the story), but when it was over...eh.



By heather on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 02:01 pm:

    okay, the thing i was thinking,

    hey! it's time...

    er
    that's making this all about me and it's not about me at all.

    so i try to pretend that i don't spend every moment completely self absorbed. it's probably not every minute anyway, but i'm the one who has to live in this contraption.

    while i think these things i just :P
    which is something i am most likely to do in person anyway.

    in the morning i type all this in as i avoid going in to work also thinking how completely *something* it sounds.

    now i am wondering if i will post or close the window.


By Dr Pepper on Friday, January 18, 2008 - 02:15 am:

    I hated commie


By heather on Friday, January 18, 2008 - 05:13 am:

    back when you were archie bunker?


By agatha on Friday, January 18, 2008 - 12:36 pm:

    Dear Heather-

    Whut?

    Sincerely,
    Kelsey


By heather on Friday, January 18, 2008 - 03:07 pm:

    i know, right?


By jack on Friday, January 18, 2008 - 09:50 pm:

    i know, what?

    i know what?

    third hated red

    ...


By Dougie on Saturday, January 19, 2008 - 12:11 am:

    So Spider, going to see Atonement instead of read it?


By Spider on Saturday, January 19, 2008 - 01:32 am:

    Dougie, my friend, I already have (see upthread). :)

    I'd give it a B.

    I watched "The Wind that Shakes the Barley" last night on DVD. Now, that movie gets an A.


By Dougie on Saturday, January 19, 2008 - 01:28 pm:

    Oh, right your are, Spider. Sorry, missed that. I'd just remembered that this thread had Atonement in it, and the wifey wants to see it.

    Just finished Cormac McCarthy's The Road. There's a happy story.


By Nate on Saturday, January 19, 2008 - 05:11 pm:

    the road has a fairly uplifting ending. not his best book, though.

    especially when contrasted with some of his other work.



By Spider on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 02:14 am:

    Atonement is not a bad movie, by any means -- the story is interesting, the acting is good, the cinematography is creative and makes everything look pretty.

    It's just...I read a review that said it never becomes more than the sum of its parts, and I agree with that statement.


    I can't remember the most recent book I've read which I'd consider to be great. Probably "At Swim Two Boys," but I've never actually finished it, because I don't want to deal with the inevitably tragic ending.

    There's something that will make me stop reading.

    "The Road" would have stopped me that way, for sure, but I just had to keep going to see what happened to the boy.


By kazu on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 12:30 am:

    At Swim Two BOYS?


By droopy on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 12:56 am:

    at first that was some sort of arachnoid freudian slip with flann o'brien's "at swim two birds".

    but apparently i'm wrong.


By Spider on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 01:56 am:

    No, no, it's a real book. "At Swim Two Boys," by Jamie O'Neill. And the two boys do indeed go swimming. :)

    Here's a detailed review.

    It's also been made into a stage play (which was in Boston before I had read the book, so I missed it, GAHHH).

    It's a wonderful book, but it has nothing in common with Flann O'Brien's work except the title.

    "At Swim-Two-Birds" is probably in my list of five favorite books, ever. "At Swim Two Boys" is in the top 20.


By Spider on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 01:59 am:

    Oops, there should be a comma there. "At Swim, Two Boys."


By Spider on Tuesday, February 5, 2008 - 02:07 pm:

    Here's something that made me keep reading:

    And meanwhile, even in spite of all my desire, I could never imagine to myself that there is no future life and no providence. Most likely there is all that, but we don't understand anything about the future life and its laws. But if it is so difficult and even completely impossible to understand it, can it be that I will have to answer for being unable to comprehend the unknowable? True, they say, and the prince, of course, along with them, that it is here that obedience is necessary, that one must obey without reasoning, out of sheer good behavior, and that I am bound to be rewarded for my meekness in the other world. We abase providence too much by ascribing our own notions to it, being vexed that we can't understand it. But, again, if it's impossible to understand it, then, I repeat, it is hard to have to answer for something it is not given to man to understand. And if so, how are they going to judge me for being unable to understand the true will and laws of providence? Now, we'd better leave religion alone.
    From, hey, "The Idiot."

    And...exactly. I've been having those same thoughts for months.

    Now everything in the book is so interesting I can barely tear myself away to go to class and do my real work. It only took reading until page 387 to get to the good stuff. :)


By Antigone on Wednesday, February 6, 2008 - 02:07 am:

    Today I read the entire manual and language reference for Tibco BusinessEvents. I even got paid to do it.


By la on Thursday, February 7, 2008 - 08:03 pm:

    just gave up on the second book i've deliberately chosen to quit reading.

    it was breakfast of champions.

    it was too fragmented without enough story, even my add couldn't handle it.


By agatha on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 02:27 pm:

    I read every Vonnegut book with a fierce hunger, but I was mostly in high school and really identified with Vonnegut's perspective on things at the time. Interesting that you didn't like it, la.

    Really, I just wanted to post here to say that the final episode of "The Wire" is on next week. I'm totally in mourning. Like I've said before- BEST SHOW EVAR.

    Now I'm going to have to move "Homicide" up in my Netflix cue and make do. When I'm done watching those, I just don't know. Maybe I'll go outside or something.


By Nate on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 03:15 pm:

    i have the whole season saved. i haven't had time to watch any of them, yet. i can't believe the final episode is here already.


By agatha on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 11:55 pm:

    You must watch! Then we can talk about it. I really want to tell you two things that happened, but I'm controlling myself.


By Spider on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 11:58 pm:

    My brother loaned me the first season of The Wire weeks ago, and it's just sitting on the table waiting for me to pick it up.

    And you know why I haven't? Because I've been watching impure crack the first season of Torchwood instead.


    And illegally downloading season two.









    I KNOW!






    Agatha, you can psychically bitchslap me if you want. I will get to The Wire, I will.


By platypus on Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 12:18 am:

    I have to say, I am really hooked on Lost. I've heard The Wire is really good, maybe I will start watching that too.


By platypus on Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 12:19 am:

    I kind of like watching shows when they are all over, because then I can see the whole story at once, as a whole, rather than having to wait every week for a new episode, like I am doing with Lost right now.


By Nate on Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 01:43 am:

    i watched the first episode today. for some reason it takes about 2 hours to un-RAR each episode. i have no idea if this is normal, or if something is wrong with the OS. it is a reasonably powerful box with 2GB RAM and plenty of free HD. nothing else that i know of is going on. I am VNC'd into the box when I initiate the un-RAR. the CPU doesn't go above about 5% utilization. plenty of free RAM during the process. i don't get it.


By Nate on Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 01:44 am:

    and by that i mean, tivo is great.


By platypus on Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 02:04 am:

    So is ABC, for posting all of Lost online in high def. Good times.


By sarah on Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 10:58 am:


    i became a Lost junkie only since giving birth in November.

    it was senor's idea to choose a TV series to watch on dvd to watch while feeding and pumping around the clock.

    i chose Lost because so many of my friends over the years have been hooting about it.

    i finished season three just about 2 weeks before the premier of season four. those were two of the longest weeks of my life. i couldn't WAIT.


    never heard of The Wire, actually.

    generally, i'm not much of a series TV show person. since we got DVR a couple months ago, i record Girls Next Door, Lost, The Dog Whisperer, and Inhale.




By platypus on Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 11:26 am:

    The same thing happened to me, Sarah. Some friends got me into it and I tore through seasons 1-3 and then had to cool my heels for a few weeks waiting for season four to start.

    Season four is pretty smokin' hot, too. No messing around; they definitely gave the plot a kick in the ass and it's tripping right along. I tingle with tension after every episode in eagerness for the next one.


By Spider on Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 11:28 am:

    One of my roommates in Montana was hooked on Lost and got a friend to send her all of season 1 on VHS, and when the priest next door was away, we'd sneak over and watch the second season as it aired (he had network television and we didn't).

    I thought it was compelling at the time, but after I found out that it was basically being made up as it went along, I didn't care anymore.

    Eh, maybe I'll catch up when it's all on DVD. This last season has been great, no? So I've heard.



    The only thing I Tivo with enthusiasm now is Mythbusters.

    In the fall, I watched Life, Heroes, and (though I came to it late) Pushing Daisies. Of those three, Life and Pushing Daisies are the two for which I cannot wait to begin again.


By Spider on Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 11:30 am:

    And, duh, if I had better reading comprehension, I'd see that you're all saying season 4 is great.

    Hey, I just woke up.


By Dougie on Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 12:36 pm:

    Finally got a DVR with my cable box. Been recording all of Later..With Jools Holland. That's a cool show -- nice format, and a lot of diverse performances. Haven't seen The Wire or Lost yet.


By semillama on Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 12:47 pm:

    We've been watching Dead like Me through Netflix. I don't understand why that show got canned after two seasons. It was brilliant.


By la on Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 02:50 pm:

    i might try reading him again, but not breakfast of champions

    i've been in a strange mental state


By sarah on Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 03:56 pm:


    one interesting note about Lost:

    there already is a definitive end. there will only be six seasons.

    the makers of the show didn't want it to be one of those series that goes on and on long after it's begun to suck and be pointless.

    so they know how and when the show is going to end.





By Spider on Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 06:06 pm:

    That's very cool.

    Goddammit, I may have to watch it now.


By platypus on Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 07:43 pm:

    Yeah, I think you would like it, Spider. They definitely aren't making it up as they go along, it is very structured. Although the actors don't know what's going on until right before they film, which is kinda cool.

    And then we can start Lost discussion threads. In fact...


By droopy on Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 10:50 pm:

    i haven't seen a lot of these shows because i'm too cheap to get cable or tivo and my schedule is too random to be able to commit to any primetime show.

    but...

    i want to hear more about this jools holland show dougie spoke of. holland used to co-host a music show (this would be more than a decade ago and apparently similar to what dougie's talkin' 'bout) with lots of eclectic musical performances. i still remember the time they teamed leonard cohen with sonny rollins.


By platypus on Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 11:57 pm:

    Droop, the tubes are a wonderful place. All of the stuff on this thread can be yours for the taking, with a reasonably fast internet connection.


By Dougie on Thursday, February 28, 2008 - 08:55 am:

    Droopy, don't know too much about the show, but basically, he gets 5 or 6 bands together in what looks like kind of a "round" theater, and they each take turns playing. It is a very eclectic mix of groups, and it seems that he usually has at least one big name in the mix (Elton John, Joe Cocker, Patti Smith, Burt Bacharach etc.) along with lesser known, or up and coming bands. He usually does a short interview with somebody, and sits in on the piano with some of the groups (he's very good -- he was the keyboard player for Squeeze).

    We just got HD cable, and there's a channel called RaveHD, which airs his shows often, so I tape them when I can.


By Spider on Thursday, February 28, 2008 - 05:17 pm:

    A search for "Jools Holland" on YouTube retrieved over 2,000 results. You can listen using ear phones from any portable listening device plugged into the speaker jack on your hard drive.


By Spider on Thursday, February 28, 2008 - 05:22 pm:


By Spider on Tuesday, December 1, 2009 - 10:28 am:

    The Nov 30 issue of The New Yorker has a pretty bleak review of Paul Auster's novels that I can't help but agree with.

    Link

    Relevant criticisms:
    The narratives conduct themselves like realistic stories, except for a slight lack of conviction and a general B-movie atmosphere. People say things like “You’re one tough cookie, kid,” or “My pussy’s not for sale,” or “It’s an old story, pal. You let your dick do your thinking for you, and that’s what happens.”


    Although there are things to admire in Auster’s fiction, the prose is never one of them. (Most of the secondhand cadences in my parody—about drinking to drown his sorrows, or the prostitute’s eyes being too hard and having seen too much—are taken verbatim from Auster’s previous work.)


    Clichés, borrowed language, bourgeois bêtises are intricately bound up with modern and postmodern literature. [...] This is bewildering, on its face, but then Auster is a peculiar kind of postmodernist. Or is he a postmodernist at all? Eighty per cent of a typical Auster novel proceeds in a manner indistinguishable from American realism; the remaining twenty per cent does a kind of postmodern surgery on the eighty per cent, often casting doubt on the veracity of the plot. Nashe, in “The Music of Chance” (1990), sounds as if he had sprung from a Raymond Carver story (although Carver would have written more interesting prose)


    What is problematic about these books is not their postmodern skepticism about the stability of the narrative, which is standard-issue fare, but the gravity and the emotional logic that Auster tries to extract from the “realist” side of his stories. Auster is always at his most solemn at those moments in his books which are least plausible and most ragingly unaffecting.


    What Auster often gets instead is the worst of both worlds: fake realism and shallow skepticism. The two weaknesses are related. Auster is a compelling storyteller, but his stories are assertions rather than persuasions. They declare themselves; they hound the next revelation. Because nothing is persuasively assembled, the inevitable postmodern disassembly leaves one largely untouched. (The disassembly is also grindingly explicit, spelled out in billboard-size type.) Presence fails to turn into significant absence, because presence was not present enough. This is the crevasse that divides Auster from novelists like José Saramago, or the Philip Roth of “The Ghost Writer.”


    The pleasing, slightly facile books come out almost every year, as tidy and punctual as postage stamps, and the applauding reviewers line up like eager stamp collectors to get the latest issue. Peter Aaron, the narrator of “Leviathan,” whose prose is so pressureless, claims that “I have always been a plodder, a person who anguishes and struggles over each sentence, and even on my best days I do no more than inch along, crawling on my belly like a man lost in the desert. The smallest word is surrounded by acres of silence for me.” Not enough silence, alas.

    Yikes.

    It's comforting to know that other people are just as aghast at his terrible, terrible dialogue as I am (more examples earlier in this thread). "Ghosts," the second part of the New York Trilogy is the best thing he's written, IMO, and that B-movie dialogue fits right in since it's a hard-boiled detective novel of a sort. Everything else, though...





By Spider on Tuesday, December 1, 2009 - 10:41 am:

    Oh and look -- serendipitously, that New Yorker article has a link to a new short story by Ian McEwan.


By kazu on Tuesday, December 1, 2009 - 12:19 pm:

    What the hell Spider, I was just on this thread last night looking up the titles of the Auster books you actually liked so I could put them on my Christmas list.

    Are you reading my mind again?


By kazu on Tuesday, December 1, 2009 - 12:28 pm:

    Oh, and I was thinking the same thing about The New York trilogy, that the dialogue works really well for the kind of story he's telling. It's as if it's done THAT WAY on purpose.

    By the way, I put Leviathan and The Book of Illusions on my list.


By Spider on Tuesday, December 1, 2009 - 03:51 pm:

    Right on re: the NY Trilogy. That's also the first work of his that I read, so he was imprinted on me as a genius and it took a long time to shake that impression.

    "In the Country of Last Things" is another one of his novels that worked well, and I would recommend that to you. (Although...shit, it's been years since I read it so maybe the scales were still over my eyes at that point.) It's set in post-apocalyptic times in an unnamed city and its wikipedia entry gives away the entire plot so don't look it up. :)


By patrick on Thursday, December 3, 2009 - 02:54 pm:

    how funny., here i was saying i dont read much and the previous
    thread and Auster is one of a few contemporary authors ive read
    more than one book by....and enjoyed them all.

    as far as that review ...

    "Auster is a compelling storyteller, but his stories are assertions
    rather than persuasions. "

    storytelling. good enough for me. what does it matter if its an
    assertions or persuasions.

    like movie reviews, i have a hard time reading literary criticism.



    Paul Auster books that i really liked a lot.

    Timbuktoo this was the first one i read and im sorry.....its just a
    heartbreaking, warm story and the kind of emotional insight he
    puts on display is just wonderful to be a part of. complete joy.


    In teh Country of Last Things, Brooklyn Follies and the Invention
    of Solitude and travels in Scriptorium are all enjoyable reads.
    Brooklyn Follies and Timbuktu are perhaps the ones yoou are
    most likely to weep when reading.



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