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"But the eyes seem so familiar. Like phosphorescent *desert buttons* Singing one familiar song..." desert buttons = peyote cactus with several little white buttons used by the native american church to "divine". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these next few passages come across to me as some kind of struggle with himself with religion, faith, spirituality ("dogma"). I think that that is the reason he is singing as two different people talking to eachother because there is an inner struggle of beliefs, logic, (two different people) etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Prying open my third eye. So good to see you once again. I thought that you were hiding. And you thought that I had run away. Chasing the tail of *dogma*. I opened my eye and there we were." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I also think that it makes reference to a path of reason and logic which is a church's worst nightmare("Chasing a trail of smoke and reason.") "So good to see you once again I thought that you were hiding from me. And you thought that I had run away. *Chasing a trail of smoke and reason.*" X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X and another thing: "I stick my hand *into his shadow* To pull the pieces from the *sand*." I think this last part sums it up for me, peyote is often personified by native americans as mescalito and other names. and the such, hence the *into HIS shadow*. And peyote is a cactus hence the sand. can anyone reply to my thoughts? plz go into detail if u can. dog·ma ( P ) Pronunciation Key (dōgm, dg-) n. pl. dog·mas or dog·ma·ta (-m-t) --->A doctrine or a corpus of doctrines relating to matters such as morality and faith, set forth in an authoritative manner by a church. --->An authoritative principle, belief, or statement of ideas or opinion, especially one considered to be absolutely true. See Synonyms at doctrine. --->A principle or belief or a group of them: “The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present” (Abraham Lincoln). |
this passage may be about his struggle leaving his former self broken, and trying to reassemble. his shadow being his former self, or former beliefs. "I stick my hand into his shadow To pull the pieces from the sand. Which I attempt to reassemble"I stick my hand into his shadow To pull the pieces from the sand. Which I attempt to reassemble To see just who I might have been. I do not recognize the vessel, But the eyes seem so familiar. Like phosphorescent desert buttons Singing one familiar song..." To see just who I might have been. I do not recognize the vessel, But the eyes seem so familiar. Like phosphorescent desert buttons Singing one familiar song..." |
Most of the songs on "Undertow" deal with this either in whole or in part. "Sober" and "Undertow" are great examples. "Flood" has the lines: This ground is not the rock I thought it to be. Thought I was high and free. I thought I was there, divine destiny. I was wrong. This changes everything. The water is rising up on me. Thought the sun would come deliver me, But the truth has come to punish me instead. Off of "Aenima," the songs "H," "Forty-Six & 2," "Jimmy," and "Third Eye" all seem to be parts of the same theme: disentangling yourself from whatever's hurting you and building a new life or self that's whole. A Perfect Circle's entire "Thirteenth Step" album seems to be about recovery and reconstruction, too. |
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i know zack, i know. |
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He may be referring to peyote, but the song isn't ABOUT peyote. What it is about, only Maynard really knows, I think. I agree, I dont think it is about peyote either, but refers to it ^^...by the way, who wrote the song? does anyone know? i don't think maynard did, did he? |
dave, what does that mean? |
dave, what does that mean? |
i stumbled upon this website and i like tool and perfect circle tons so would be good to know what sorta stuff im listenin to! |
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Also, there is evidence of an actual "third eye" in the brain of nearly all mammals that is thought to produce chemicals that, when in excess, can cause similar effects to LSD in certain individuals, often thought to be 'mad'. For more on this read this article, http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/96may/nitrous/lsd.htm . I looked up dogma and one of the definitions is simply a belief of a group, not necessarily just a religious group. This coupled with "chasing the tail of smoke and reason" have to do with the logical way we percieve life, both from the teachings of others, and through our 'other' 2 eyes. Supposedly, LSD can cause your mind to lose touch with the realities you know and percieve, and cause you to see things from a different light. I personally have never tried it. Any thoughts on this, or is this all common knowledge here? |