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Was anyone else dorky enough to see the first possible showing today? And what do we think of this, the final installment in the Star Wars saga? |
I am excited, and yet very nervous about being excited. by all accounts this is the best of the three, when judged by the standards of Episodes I and II. but Lucas has burned me before, and I am cautious. |
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the theatre where sem and I saw hitchhiker's guide is having a contest where the winner gets to be first in line at the midnight showing and stay in a bed donated by the hyatt regency instead of having to lie on the sidewalk i just want it to be over. |
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I'm highly entertained by having a contest. I suppose because we live in a small town, the theatre pre-sold tickets, so I bought mine earlier in the day and showed up on line about an hour before the movie started to get decent seats with friends. It was fun. Going with all the geeks made it greatly enjoyable. |
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I'm probably going this afternoon. The other 2 i waited weeks to finally go and see, i really didn't care. But this one is really the only important one, as far as the plot goes. And mostly because I've got a wicked craving for movie popcorn. |
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Its the only Star Wars movie I've seen in the theater. I bought the original trilogy on DVD and burned Ep 1 and 2, but if this one is good I'll buy it. |
I still remember getting my first star wars figures - Luke with the yellow lightsaber and R2D2. |
My nerd of a husband and myself are really not happy that we cannot get a babysitter and go see it. We're supposed to wait until my brother in law gets out here to go watch it with him, but SCREW THAT, we just won't tell him we already saw it. We'll be at the theater as soon as we can get a babysitter for the midgets. |
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Just got back. I can't believe more people didn't choose to see it in digital like we did. The picture quality....SO clear..... Something's been bugging me, but i won't plant spoilers just yet. But it has to do with something Laya says in a later movie. |
If not, theres also the explanation (oh god, this is nerdy) that through the Force Luke is connected only to his father, and therefore Leia to her mother. Luke remembers places he's never been and 'searches his feelings' to realize that Darth Vader was his dad, so if the Organas told Leia about her mom, she would have had time to realize things about her. its all very gay to speak about, but I dont think its a big deal either way. anyways, ROTS is actually my favorite of the 6. And Hayden only had 2 scenes where it was bad and it was mainly the stilted dialogue that really caused that. I think many people are going to be a little too scared to give this movie the credit it deserves. One person we know left the theater saying how much he hated it, yet he's going to see it again sometime this weekend. Ewen McGregor in particular did an amazing job. Despite us knowing what would basically happen, this movie wasnt really all that predictable. There are surprises and true 'holy shit' moments. The action sequences were well constructed, and while over the top so many times, never to the point of pure cheesiness like other movies. Definitely easier to swallow than so many Indiana Jones moments. There were many iconic shots in the movie, it had better pacing than any of the original trilogy, the score was better used than of all the other films, it had just the right amount of funny moments. the movie is payoff after payoff: all the duels you wanted to see and for the first time of all the movies i was intrigued throughout all the fighting, because they kept it moving through numerous setpieces and with other factors coming into play other than skill. and frankly, they made Vader way more badass than he's ever been. the entire film, and not just because of events, is dark. its still colorful, but it is nowhere near as cartoony as Eps 1 and 2. the only downsides for me are the dialogue in several scenes. after Ep 2 I was totally prepped for any cheese between padme and anakin so they never actually made me cringe. and so much dialogue is expository as this is mostly an action movie that i dont see why anyone should bother to complain about it. anyways, I was extremely satisfied. When we left the theater I was doing my jaw dropping happy face which i do sometimes, which wisper tried to shoot down with a "YOU LIKED THAT?". didnt work. I think wisper generally isnt impressed by movies with extended action scenes. she for example, thought the Crazy 88 scene in Kill Bill vol. 1 was quote "meh" and she doesnt care for the LOTR movies at all. I can understand that if they're bad action scenes - like in the Matrix sequels, but ROTS really got my pencil moving. I think the only action based movies i've seen her really go gaga for were X-Men 2 and the Matrix, and the action scenes in those are all relatively short. |
I have a few complaints, and the biggest one is that Lucas really didn't do a good enough job with the Anakin turning to the dark side scene. First he's all trying to be a good jedi and then he just kneels and becomes a sith? a little more agonizing, please! If the Dark SIde just overwhelms you, fine, but at least show or mention that's what happens! My other complaint is character development - General Greivous was either completely unnecessary or really needed to be expanded on as a character - again, even a couple lines of dialogue would have helped. but, the lightsaber duels were huge payoffs, and you felt horrible seeing all the Jedi get cut down. I also liked how the clone troopers were halfway to storm troopers, and you could see spaceships evolving into the TIE Fighter and X-wing forms. My absolute biggest geek-out moment? First interior shot of the Blockade Runner (Senator Organa's ship). Even bigger than the glimpse of the Millenium Falcon and the Chewbacca cameo. Other things that were cool: Yoda's bad-ass self, Ian McDiarmid's performance. The special effects were so good, you didn't notice them. Like, you understand in the back of your head that everything was digital, but you didn't notice it. |
that is true about the effects.. in the other prequels they're there to make up for whats lacking in other areas. here they're totally complimentary and necessary. another thing I liked was in Palpatines speech he mentions that some Sith could maybe even use midicholrians to create life... now remember that Schmi Skywalker said Anakin had no father and the council said his midichlorian level was through the roof... which brings up the fanboy theory that darth plageis or sidious perhaps created Anakin. |
And I hadn't thought of Anakin being created by a Sith lord. That's kewl. |
in the suit sooner. Never in my whole life have I been so happy to hear James Earl Jones, but the NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! thing at the end was a a bit much. I heard they were going to cast Johnny Knoxville but he wouldn't stop licking his light saber. One thing that bugged me at first was that Grevious kept coughing...but then I saw that he had a heart (and maybe a set of lungs) so it wasn't that lame. I got all teary-eyed when Yoda could feel things going all bad all over the universe. It needed more wookies. and some bad-ass lady wookies. wookies. oh, and the most badass, best character by far: kit fisto |
kept coughing...but then I saw that he had a heart (and maybe a set of lungs) so it wasn't that lame. " in the Clone Wars cartoon, Mace Windu hit him with a power blast, which is why he was sick. nice little touch for those who watched the series. |
Padme was so sad when she died, SO VERY SAD and not just about Anakin but of the failure of the republic and all that. Padme Amidala was so adored by her peoples and colleagues and I can totally see that Senator Organa and his wife would have told Leia about her mother. Although the emporer knew about Anakin and Padme, and it might have been dangerous to tell Leia that she was Padme's daughter without also telling her to keep it secret lest the emperor coming looking for the darth spawn. (I mean, they left her belly all pregger-poofy so everyone would think that her baby died as well. That was kind of creepy.) Or something. It's enough for me to think that, Leia, beingall strong with the force, had some kind of emotional connection with Padme, that Papa Organa had some reasonable explanation for. aw...the pugs are on the dog show now. sem and i are going to get a pug And I still can't believe they found a young actor who looks that much like Owen Lars. |
in the coffin. creepy. what did they put in there? balloon? stuffing? An astromech droid's head? Perhaps R4-P17's recently buzzed off head? my brain is going to a nerdy place. |
I miss muppet yoda. |
-I also miss muppet Yoda. I don't know why, but CGI Yoda seems so much meaner. -Anakin's conversion to the dark side was my biggest problem with the film. They had worked for two and a half films to show him turning from an innocent young boy into a dark lord, and still the moment felt sudden and forced. -I still fucking hate Hayden Christianson. His scenes with Natalie Portman were terrible. So terrible. My god, it was like a black hole of acting. No romantic tension/connection AT ALL. -Grevious was supposed to be all bad assed and stuff. what the hell? My friend Ron told me that in the cartoon he was taking on four jedi at once, and here he's destroyed by a blaster? bah. -I was SO HAPPY that they slipped in that tiny explanation for how C3P0 and R2-D2 don't remember Obi Wan or any of the other characters from Eps 4-6. That was annoying me as I watched the other movies. -It took me forever to realize that Jimmy Smits was Leia's future adoptive father. He'd been in the movie for about an hour before I finally went "Oh! Organa!" Ron thought it was quite funny. -One of my biggest problems: I never understood how Leia could go into hiding on a completely different planet and be all safe, yet Luke was just sent back to his father's homeworld and was living with his father's step-relatives. How is that hiding? How is that secret? Ron thinks it's the best possible hiding place since Vader would never want to go back there. I fail to understand how Vader could never feel Obi Wan's presence, turn his eyes towards the planet, and realize the truth or try to bomb it or something. This does not make sense to me. -I cried. I actually fucking cried. Near the end or Obi Wan's fight with Aniken I shed a few tears. Over all, the first half of the film was pretty dull, but the second half redeemed it. This is probably my third favourite of the six. (Ep. 5 will always be #1). I would see it again. |
Vader didn't know he had kids and likely the blackness in his heart (as silly as that sounds) blinded him from their existence, consumed as he was with being allpowerful. Sith are driven by passion, and there was nothing motivating him to *turn* toward a tiny little desert planet that is farthest from the bright center of the universe. As soon as he knew obi wan was up to something (i.e. on the Death Star) he felt him, and then when he was made aware of Luke's existence became OBSESSED with finding him. |
i thought the movie was a lot of eye candy and a lot of shity dialog and trite plot. true, it wasn't painful as the "are you hurting as much as I am" (yes, we're dying) scene in episode 2. but the "i'm beautiful because of how much i love you/no, you're beautiful because how much I love YOU" scene was really close. there were a lot of really dull scenes. those buzz droids or whatever in the beginning? huh? all the gratuitous use of R2's gadgetry. none of the lightsaber duels really worked well. nothing to compare with darth maul in episode 1. and what the fuck, mace windu should have GONE OFF. his saber form is supposed to be so anger fueled that he's risking the dark side whenever he swings the stick around. and the obi wan/anikin duel, climbing the tower, heading for the lava-fall, swinging their lightsabers in gay little circles like they're dancing ribbons around the maypole? and what the fuck was that birdlizard obi wan rode around on? how fucking annoying was that. i was really expecting to like this one, too. it's not like i was going in a hater and getting what i thought i would. i'd heard so many good things. there were some good things. wookies, except for the blatant tarzan yell. the yoda cgi has really gotten good. that youngling almost besting the storm troopers before bail takes off like a fucking nancycunt. but bleh, i'll leave it with "it was better than 1 & 2" future generations will not understand star wars the way those of us who saw 4 before 5 ever came out do. i think 1-3 did more damage than good. than ewoks. |
the only good thing about star wars is that it begat the intro/skit to "chewin george lucas' chocolate" by the butthole surfers. so there. |
Was that really James Earl Jones at the end? I didn't see his name in the credits. I don't suppose Teumuera Morrison's agent got him separate salaries and points for each character he plays in the series. |
of words. but he was on some missione with him and R2 does go off looking for his former *master* (though I think C3PO was the only one on the "master" kick) in ep 5, which now makes perfect sense...that R2 remembered obi wan and C3PO had no idea. or maybe leia just programed that into him along with the floppies containing the plans to the death star i didn't like the buzz droids either. |
and what the fuck was up with padame's sexy maternity miniskirt thing she chose for her journey to the planet of total volcano? and when anakin was running up the stairs to consult with the emperor in his box seats for that giant balls of water las vegas show, was i the only one checking out the huge alien hooters on the beastie wearing the jennifer lopez dress? |
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And I, too, was wondering about the garb Padme chose for her volcano island adventure. Actually, Natalie Portman's wardrobe really confused me. I didn't think it was possible for Natalie Portman to not be hot until I saw this movie. |
has anyone seen Natalie portman with the shaved head? she totally pulls it off. otherwise, i've never found her that attractive. very pretty, but not hot. I could be wrong, but i looked closely at the volcano outfit and she had legging-type pants on, in a color that was flesh-like and so the skirt was actually a shirt--it was still kind of tacky though. |
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I don't think that R2-D2 remembered Obi Wan. I think that when Leia told him to find Obi Wan and programmed him to do so, that was translated as his belonging to Obi Wan. He and C3PO were good and mind-wiped. ~ I never thought about the proficy that way, Nate. that's actually very clever. I was of the mind that the jedi use the force in ways that are more "natural" and the sith abuse it and manipulate it, which disturbs the balance. Kind of like the way some people see a balance (or lack thereof) in Nature and our use (or abuse) of it. So the proficy of this boy who will bring balance to the force actually has very little to do with what the jedi Do. and if you think about it, the proficy was fullfilled in the end when Vader kills Palpatine (Episode 6). ~ Vader's voice at the end was a mixture of JEJ and Christianson. |
he's just the Voice. I think Lion King was his last really big thing |
c3po's mind, not R2's--but i will entertain the notion that leia told him to find obi-wan. as far as balancing the force. you don't need to make the sith more powerful to tip the balance to the dark side--there is plenty of dark side without the sith, which is just darkside concentrate, just as the light side of the force lies not only with the jedi, but with everyone. large scale abuse of power and other's complicity with it--that could throw the force off balance. it seems as though the jedi had plenty of work to do with or without the sith. they probably thought that the war signaled a shift in the force to the dark side, and that was not without sith-influence, but could also come about from abuse of power and complicity with that abuse stemming from the passions of human and alien-creatures alike. still it makes perfect sense that the darkside would get a sith power surge with palpatine recruiting someone as strong as vader; should they have considered that earlier? probably. does it bother me that they didn't? not really. eventually, anakin does both, restores balance and eliminates the palpatine, effectively eliminating the sith (for the time being) if none of this makes sense. sorry. i need to get my head out of this nerd place and get to work |
Either: 1. R2 had his former "relationship" with obi wan still stored in his memory bank 2. leia was specifically instructed by Bail to use R2 as obi wan would recognized him as one of the driods that was in Bail's possession (and now with the rebel alliance) Either or both of these are likely. I can't believe I'm debating this. And why does obi-wan say to Luke later, "I don't seem to remember ever owning a droid" Is that one of part of his whole "certain point of view" thing--that from a certain point of view, he never owned R2 (i.e. purchased him)--or he just wanted to keep his ties to the empire and rebellion secret? |
Thats kiwi for 'Teumuera Morrison you used to be in our lame ass Shortland Street soap' - get the fuck back home. I cannot help but think of this line whenever there's a move with Tem in it = or 'Cook me some fucking eggs'. In fact, I may shout it out when I see this ep. |
c3po's mind, not R2's" I could be wrong, because I've only seen the movie once, but I remember Organa telling them to wipe the Droids - not mentioning either of their names. "how would "find obi-wan" be translated into "find former master"?" I didn't mean it was translated differently when Leia was programming R2. I actually meant something more simple: when C3PO was translating from R2's language to english (or whatever) for Luke, he translated slightly differently from what R2 was actually saying. Translations aren't usually exact, so perhaps "He says he's the property of a mister Obi-Wan Kinobe." was a near translation. anyway, it's probably just easier to assume that Leia programmed into him that he belonged to Obi Wan. the one thing I will not buy, however, is that R2-D2 had his memory intact by A New Hope. There are too many things that seem weird and off if he remembers everything, and the only explanation is that his memory was wiped. I love this nerd stuff. |
organa says to wipe the protocol droid's memory, and then C3PO says "Oh no!" |
off for R2? do you understand andromech now? what did R2 say that seems off? that couldn't otherwise be interpreted as him being crafty at trying to get to obi wan? "these astro droids are getting quite out of hand, even I can't understand their logic at times." R2 totally has his shit together. even when they went to jabba's palace in ep 6, he had a better handle on things (though that has nothing to do with memory, and everything to do with his role in the rescue plan). R2's memory was not wiped. it was supposed to be in ep 5, but he got away, sneaky little freak that he is. |
This issue is full of robots. |
it's interesting. in ep 6, the seethru obiwan tells Luke, how the emporer knew that if vader had any offspring that they would be a threat to him. So me thinks this is not just because they would likely be very strong with the force, but because that might trigger something in Vader--not that he would do a 180 and be all good again, but he would be conflicted, and therefor not quite as loyal to the emporer. there is a line in ep 6 where Vader can sense something about Luke that Palpatine cannot, and Palpatine gets worried that Vader's feelings aren't as clear on the matter. the conversation between vader and luke before going to the emporer is just amazing. Luke can sense the good in him, that he accepts that he was once his father, Anakin Skywalker. Vader: that name has no meaning for me. blah blah blah Luke: let go of your hate... And Vader says, it's too late for me, my son. MY SON. He is so fully invested in his being Luke's father, yet he denies the name anakin skywalker, and that line is delivered with so much saddness. it's sad that they didn't get an actor who could deliver just half of that emotional conflict. i'm coming down with something. i feel all warm and achy. so instead of studying for a make-up exam i have on saturday, i think i am going to watch ep 5. |
at my fabulous cocktail parties! i just reread that post. god i am such a dork, maybe i should just go to bed. |
and he also cut out a bunch of wookie scenes. |
overachiever everytime. i would have liked to have seen more of wookie society; you know wookie culture, we need more anthropological work on Kashyyyk okay, this is getting out of hand |
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didn't bother seeing attack of the clones, fell asleep during #1..... this'll be interesting, to say the least. |
~ I had a dream last night that I was arguing with my mother over Padme's name. I kept saying it was Padme and she kept saying that was a title, meaning "maid". It was frustrating because she was so insistant that she was right, and she hadn't even see Episode 3 yet. I think this comes from the fact that *I* used to think Padme was a title, and not a name (although more like "handmaid" than "maid"). I thought her name was Amadala, and Padme was the title she assumed when she was in desguise in Episode 1. Then in Episode 2 everytime Anakin called her Padme, I thought it was some kind of affectionate nickname in reference to the fact that she was pretending to be a padme/handmaid when he met her. then in Episode 3 when everyone else was calling her Padme as well, I realized I was an idiot. |
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i was really hoping gee could understand all those beeps...and that she's caught an inconsistency none of us non andro-fleunt folks hadn't. R2 has saved a lot of ass. |
i need some tea and a shower and a translator droid to sneak into the testing room with me for the make up part of my french exam. i passed the part where you don't use a dictionary, but not the part with a dictionary. fucking french and their fucking subjunctive mood assholes |
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"Not just the men, but the children too! I slaughtered them like dogs! I played tetherball with their heads and intestines! I drank their blood and suffering like it was a fine white wine! BwahaHAHAHAH!!" And she's just listening like it's no big deal. Revenge driven genocide? Oh, that's cool baby. I still love ya. What the flying shit was that? I would think that a pile of hacked up corpses on Tatooine would cause some kind of stir within Padme- defender of justice and purity and duty. And how can he still be in the Jedi after that? Don't tell me they didn't "feel" it. Or something. |
and God knows George Lucas is Mr. Consistancy with his movies. |
besides, it's not like you've never made fun of me for being wrong about a nerd thing. yeah, that Tusken thing bugged me too. i think the Jedi Master's mistrust of Anakin is rooted in that. It seems that they cansense that Anakin has issues with attachment and devotion, with Yoga and ObiWan giving him the benefit of the doubt, and Windu and Kit Fisto blatantly mistrusting him* *okay, i have no evidence that Kit Fisto doesn't trust him (is he even on the jedi council), I just wanted to say his name again |
Some day perhaps one of them will return as V-Ger and try to destroy us. |
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i am going to see this movie tonight. and i am taking my 62 year-old mother, who refers to this movie only as "the sith". at her request. well, she sort of announced that i was going to take my poor, long-suffering mother to see "the sith". lord knows, i at least owe her a movie. |
that's adorable. |
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SEM!!! TAKE ME TO SEE THE SITH PENGUINS PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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"did you follow all that? most of it seems to be fights and zipping around and all that. i thought i was still watching the coming attractions. and would you want to live in a galaxy far far away if it was that dark and dreary all the time?" we were downtown (where i live) and we walked over to a cajun place called razoos (i'm not sure if i'm spelling it right.) we sat outside. our waitress is a young girl from wisconsin with dyed-red hair who sits down with us and starts chatting with my mother. "this is my son. he took me to see the sith." i ordered a scotch, then a shiner bock. mom had vodka. appetizers were stuffed fried jalapenos. i had the shrimp creole. mom had salad. after dinner we went to a starbucks for desert because i had one of those gift credit cards from christmas. i never eat desert, buy she had some big dark rich brownie with extra whipped cream on it. she wanted to go to a "people's poetry" night at the black dog tavern, but i wanted to go home. on the way to her car we came upon a george thorogood concert at the bass hall, for which they were still selling tickets. she wanted to go, but i still wanted to go home. i'm not looking forward to 72. i bet she'll be hell on wheels. |
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i followed it, dougie. i just wasn't that interested. i think i'm like dave, i'd much rather see the dark, dystopian kind of sci-fi. and if i found out there was a campy 50's-style film festival somewhere, i'd be there. but a lot of the action was fun to watch (in "the sith" ). and you kids are right - that guy who plays annikin(sp?) can't act. and i'm putting money down right now that that wasn't james earl jones at the end. it sounded like a white guy doing jej to me. |
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