if you knew someone from general everyday life, school, work...etc. maybe even a good friend, that you appreciated as a person but were never attracted to.... what if one day they changed in some way...i.e., lost weight, had plastic surgery, somehow became a kinder person... anything really that perhaps inexplicably made them very attractive to you all of a sudden. would you feel comfortable expressing to them that now you were attracted? even though they would probably realize that it had a lot to do with the change they had made?

Depends. Was the change what made him attractive? Or did he possess the basic qualities that wd attract you beforehand/even though those qualities were previously overshadowed by the person's flaws or negative traits? (That Sounds too convoluted...) Okay -- if the guy was married/or dating someone/& you were attracted to him but wdn't act on it before/but now he's single or divorced. Or he was a junkie or a cokehead/but now he's been clean for 12 mos. Then I say yeah -- go for it. People do change/sometimes for the better. If he just lost 50 lbs/or got a promotion/or hit the Lottery/then leave him alone. You wdn't want someone all in yr face for those reasons.

I disagree, (I'm on a disagree with RC streak for some reason) if they lost 50lbs or somehow changed their physical appearance I think they'd be happy for the validation/attention. In short, if it was a conscious effort on their part to become more attractive then go for it. (Why do I continue to give advice on affairs of the heart???? The irony is so deep I'm gonna drown)

don't worry, it's not really advice, i'm not in that position. i was just thinking about people i know who have changed some aspect of themselves such that other people treat them differently. (the inversion of the 'ha ha he/she got fat and ugly') just wondering if you would be afraid to reveal a possible value judgement based on something that not be the 'core' of the person, and whether that person might be offended by the contrast of the new attention to the old. i'm sure that different people would react differently, does anyone have any experience?

Uhhhh. I lost some weight and bleached my hair blonde and my friend Jon showed me around to his little vw mechanic friends like some special toy. I wasn't especially offended. But I was contemptuous. But it wouldn't have stopped me from shagging any of them if I'd been attracted to them -- except Jon.

I think the key is not to think so much in these situations. If you are attracted to someone for whatever reason just be yourself and go for it. If the person to whom you are attracted rejects you because you were previously not attracted to him/her, then any potential relationship would not have worked in the first place. Period. Putting this philosophy into practice is the part I haven't figured out yet. It's an intriguing issue nonetheless.

I really like a persons sense of self more than how they look,I,ve gone out with some really hot looking guys,that after a while you think God he,s so handsome,but he,s too stupid to live.

ROFL!!!! S'funny tho/I've never met a really gorgeous guy who was totally stupid. Some weren't very well educated. Or they had very limited inerests. But I've never expereinced the 'blonde bimbo syndrome' in a male.

People are hung up on Madison Ave's veiw of perfect, look past the physical, if you like their mind it doen't matter (or shouldn't). If you're being treated like an object/paraded around for someones friends/then ditch em you don't need that shit. Find your prince or princess by what they have in between their ears not what they look like

is that what you do?

You never met my ex-husband R.C.That lasted just over a year.Fuck those blood tests they make you take, they should make you take an I.Q.test.That lasted about 14 months of sure hell.

why did you marry the guy if he wasn't intelligent? I am very interested in finding out why people marry people they don't already know well. this seems very strange to me.

about that intelligence qoutient test...

it's quotient yeah, about that intelligence test...

it's a typo. ever notice how there is no spelling section on I.Q. tests? make your own deductions, grasshopper.

im jsut benig a rbat there are no relationship sections either

a rabbit?

brat, but rabbit goes better with grasshopper and it made me laugh

Look -- everyone's entitled to fall for great packaging ONCE in their life. We've all done it (Ask Swine abt his chickenhead story.) And w/stupid people/there's always hope that they might choose to read a few books or tackle a decent crossword puzzle. You can improve yr mind over time. Ugliness however/is a permament impairment. Nothing short of surgery can cure ugly. But seriously J -- stupidity usually rears it's ugly head pretty early on. How'd you manage to miss that yr ex was an idiot? Or were you so enamoured that you chose to overlook it?

Oh my hell,R.C.,I thought I posted this eons ago,he could lick his eyebrows with his tongue.

I'm sexist. I just realized that I had assumed that j-from-chandler-arizona-who-hates-wetbacks-and-said-all-shit-to-nate was male. I went back and looked at that thread, and nowhere is a gender specified. god, you'd think I'd know by now that women can be just as stupid as men.

That tongue business was a joke,I must be sexist too,it just figures that a man wouldn,t get it.

"And w/stupid people/there's always hope that they might choose to read a few books or tackle a decent crossword puzzle. You can improve yr mind over time. Ugliness however/is a permament impairment. Nothing short of surgery can cure ugly. " this is one of society's ills. you can't get more intellegent. you're born with the lot you have. reading is like makeup. it can be used to accentuate intellegence, and it can be used to cover up the lack of. but close examination always reveals the truth.

I got it, and I'm not a man either.

and beauty goes downhill, while intelligence lasts. I think that most people who read a lot aren't dumb. crosswords are another matter altogether, though.

depends on what they read. i am a man.

Cyst,thats why you got it.

What's so great about intelligence? I mean, being pretty is nice...and being smart is nice...but I never had a crush on someone I didn't think was kind and funny.

I'm a man and I got it. Certain men know what the tongue is for, and i'm certain some folks here recall what happened after i posted my quote for the day: "When in doubt-eat pussy."

i dunno man. i had some doubts last night, took a look at my cat and then had more doubts. like i doubt that fatass would fit in the oven.

Is nothing sacred?

No.

You should menace the baby with the microwave. I do it all the time. I hold them up so they can see the microwave, tell them how it works, tell them they are powerless to stop me (at which point I waggle my opposable digits at them), and then I put them down. Hey, Nate: how's yer love life?

my cat will definitely not fit in the microwave. love is a myth. there is no permenant emotion.

Duh (re: love). I mean Duh inasmuch as we're referring to romantic love. I don't put my cats in the microwave, I just show it to them, open the door up a little and explain the whole cooking by wave transmission thing, and tell them the drying the kitten off in the microwave story. My 35 lb-er Juices is BIGGER than the microwave. Nate: how's your sex life?

my cat would look at me and say "shit, nate. you couldn't shove my fatass in that fucking thing with a gallon of crisco and a four foot shoehorn. you'd be better off threatening me with the freezer, but you'd have to defrost the thing first, you lazy fuck. and by the way, when's the last time you cleaned my litter box? you're really fucking up around here, dickwad. i should claw your face in your sleep." and really, how do you respond to something like that? you just gently put the cat down and apologize for being such an ass. i beat off four times last night. it was the only thing i could think of that might help me sleep. i swore off drugs all day yesterday. that's why i couldn't sleep. by three am i should have realized it was now today and taken that bong load. fuck.

NATE! {{Howthehell are ya?}} And BTW/what happened w/yr visit to Stanford to get yr spleen checked on? Are you ok or no? Whyever did you swear off drugs? And skip the jerking-off. Come to mami & I'll make it allll better... ;)

i gave up on my spleen. i just ignore it now. drugs for a day. jerking off is zen.

But Nate -- did you ever get a Dx? Surely the fine doctors @ Stanford were able to figure out what's wrong w/you? Or did you bag the tests becuz you were certain their superior medical knowledge wd detect yr status as an extraterrestrial life form?

yeah, something like that.

to further add to the initial question.... ...you are married...your spouse suffers a catastrophic injury......say your husband looses half his penis and an entire leg in a freak combine accident and is missing a hand...........would you remain loyal faithful and true to your spouse? Even though your spouse is physically deformed, they have changed drastically from the person you married. Yes of course they are the same individual but their mind is also tainted from these traumatic injuries. I think it's very knaive to think one could be as loyal, as trying as it may be i do think it's possible, but i think our society on the average would not be be able to remain true to their spouse. My wife and i got into this discussion once. Very tough.. We wrestled with it for quite some time. I admitted that it would be extremely trying at times. She choose to blanket the argument by answering yes yes yes that she would stay true....I suspected she was being a little knaive and idealistic.....to think that the physcial changes would not have an impact on the relationship....

All I could say to that is, "Ruby, don't take your love to town."

You leave Ruby alone! She can take her love anywhere she darn well wants too!!

members of our society on the average do not remain true to their spouses even without the catastrophic accidents.

I think it is poetically appropriate that Joseph Pujol, better known as Le Petomane (which we may loosely translate as "the fartiste") should emanate from France, without doubt the most pretentious nation on the face of the earth. Le Petomane performed his unique act from 1887 to 1914, and became one of his country's best-known vaudevillians. At one point he was earning 20,000 francs a week, compared to 8,000 for his contemporary Sarah Bernhardt. The true artistic priorities of the French public are thus admirably revealed. Joseph Pujol, born in Marseilles in 1857, owed his remarkable career to an extraordinary ability to control the muscles of his abdomen and anus. As a youth he discovered he could take in via the rectum as much as two liters of water, which he could then expel at will. Later he found he could do the same thing with air. At first he employed this talent solely for the entertainment of his friends, obviously a very refined and intelligent bunch, but after working quietly for some years as a baker, he was encouraged to give public performances. The first of these, in Marseilles in 1887, met with some initial skepticism, petomanie ("fartistry") being something of a novelty even for the French, but within a few days Le Petomane's winning manner and solidly professional performance had won audiences over. From then on it was one triumph after another. Le Petomane arrived in Paris in 1892, and was promptly hired by the Moulin Rouge, the famous music hall. He became an immediate sensation. In a typical performance, he appeared on stage in red cape, black trousers, and white cravat, with a pair of white gloves held in the hands for a touch of elegance. Having explained that his emissions were odorless--Le Petomane took care to irrigate his colon daily--he would proceed with a program of fart impressions, as it were: the timid fart of the young girl, the hearty fart of the miller, the fart of the bride on her wedding night (almost inaudible), the fart of the bride a week later (a lusty raspberry), and a majestic 10-second fart which he likened to a couturier cutting six feet of calico cloth. Later, having inserted a tube into his nether orifice (offstage, of course--Le Petomane had a high regard for the delicacies of his audience), he would smoke a cigarette right down to the b--well, pretty damn far. He could also blow out candles and stage footlights. By way of grand finale, he would attach an ocarina to the tube and play popular tunes such as O sole mio, with which he would invite the audience to sing along. An immensely popular figure in his day (even the king of Belgium snuck into Paris one night to see him incognito), Le Petomane was the subject of numerous articles, poems, and caricatures in popular magazines. One cartoon depicted little cherubs holding his coattails aloft while elaborate melodies issued from his hindquarters. (Actually, Le Petomane could produce only four notes without the aid of an instrument--do, mi, sol, and the octave do.) He bought a house filled with servants for his family, and in 1895 opened his own theatre. He went on foreign tours, sued a false female imitator (she had a bellows concealed in her skirt), and in general enjoyed a profitable career until 1914. Two of his sons (he had ten children) were disabled in World War I, however, and afterward he did not have the heart to return to the stage. He resumed his former career as a baker, and died surrounded by friends and family in 1945 at the age of 88. Mel Brooks would be lucky to do as well.

Yea,that was one talented asshole.

Adam, was there a point to enlightening us all about Le Petomane, or were you practicing your cutting and pasting skills from another website? (If you actually typed that in, you got way too much time on your hands, dude.)

Hey Dave posted the site not too long ago,he,s good like that,the fart preformer.

Too much text to comprehend on a Friday. I feel like i'm missing an arm. I've also been crying.

Hi sweetheart! why were you crying?

shit. it's almost 9. i gotta fart.

Crying is good for you, gets rid of pent up emotions. Farting is good too. Just remember the bigger fart, the healthier your heart.

Farting sucks. Whats better is tossing your cookies, or spontaneously combusting. It's better for you. fuck, I'm tired. Damn, i probably shouldnt have taken those 2 paxils today...

raisin bran produces great farts. high on the stink-o-meter. the chair in my office stinks permanently from me farting into it all day. actually i think it has a hole in it now.

Thats a pretty picture you're painting of yourself.

how are you Czarnia?

Ugh. I hate puking. I'd rather die than puke.

Alright, but then you better not have issues with spontaneous combustion!

i do not fnd that weight loss makes people more attractive...in fact it usually has exactly the opposite effect...it usually means that someone is either sick and unwell, is going through a terrible emotional crisis, or else has put oneself on some ridiculous starvation diet and/or obsessive exercise regimen which will turn them into a nervous wreck...and also make them terribly boring conversationalists who are always nattering about how thin they are or how fat they don't want to be. it's a little known secret that fat people can be very good in bed. i mean the kind of fat people who are just that way because they like computers and aren't little teenagers any more, not the sort of fat people who have eating disorders and watch a lot of television. (there actually aren't as many of that type as the media leads most to believe....well at least not in my circles...)

What? you're nuts. Weight loss is only a general sign of illness if one is not obese to begin with. And what's the difference between sitting in front of a computer all day and in front of the TV? Same activity level. I think it's great that people who are overweight because of personal lifestyle factors who can turn themselves around and become physically fit are to be applauded, not lumped in with anorexic heroin addict models.

hey this is gravy. what up people. grin.ch here sayin hey.

If the change was a physical one that made you attracted all of a sudden then that is shallow but if the change is one that is more emotional, such as they used to act like a dick head but now they are nice, then that is not bad at all. I used to be a bitch and now that I'm nice more people like me.

Maybe that person didn't change. Maybe you changed without knowing and in seeing the object of your attention through new eyes thought they had become different - so for you they have. Maybe they'll like the way the new you sees them. Maybe not. All you have to do is ask. Maybe you like yourself better now and are allowing yourself to openly care more for said person as a result. You've probably been thinking of that person more than you've wanted to admit to yourself all along and you've just recently given yourself permission to admit how you feel about them.

why is this called the stinking post.not all post stinks,except irs stuff.

because it's called the STALKING post, that's why. The stinky thing is you :)

I thought it and you said it wisper!!!! :p

corn,you need new eyes for your glasses.

if i got paied 1 dollar for everytime and everyday that a gut at my skool looked at my breasts and my ass i would get so rich i could probablt afford to but 10 houses.

And maybe some spelling lessons!!!

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it's weird how when you scroll down that text, it looks like it's going in the wrong direction.

Hi, I am 36 years old male, I don't know what is wrong with me. Everytime i see a woman with a swimwear ( one peice). I see it so sexy.. no.no.no. it is not the lady that is sexy, I am talking about the swimwear. So I bought few swimwear, and I looks good in it. I don't know what is wrong with me althought, I am not gay and i really do like woman. Am I a male lesbian?

No, you're a transvestite.

well, not so fast. He could wear wrestling unitards, which look like women's one piece suits. then he could grow a handle bar mustache and lift old-fashioned dumbells and barbells to complete the image.

They're all transvestites, too. I once wore a women's one-piece for about 5 minutes. With socks stuffed into the front. It was not a particularly sexy experience for me. It would have been rather humiliating--especially considering all the people with cameras--if not for the fact that everyone's attention was on the two men wrestling in bikinis.

Tbone- pics please.

evan is gay, you know.

pics. yes.

Semillama,uhmm, I really do not have mustache...

Semillama,uhmm, I really do not have mustache...

Semillama,uhmm, I really do not have mustache...

no shit. I said grow one. no shit. I said grow one. no shit. I said grow one.

Hmm. We'll see. This was years ago, and I don't have any pictures, but I think I still have email addresses for some of the people who had cameras.

EVAN,take the gay test,if you dare.............http://www.snackfoam.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/gaytest1.html

...........and turn your speakers up LOUD!!!!

..............this proves what i allways thought,ALL Sorabjis are gay,apart from me.

i am SO ghey

DARLING,if take the test,your are indeed gay.....

test

yes, test

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yes, test

I'M VERY SEXY IN WHAT I SLEEP IN!

VIV,is that big girls pants?

...and who the fuck is Evan?is it some gay shithead I dont know about,I want details.

Probably But I'm shallow.

Hi, I am 36 years old male, I don't know what is wrong with me. Everytime i see a woman with a swimwear ( one peice). I see it so sexy.. no.no.no. it is not the lady that is sexy, I am talking about the swimwear. So I bought few swimwear, and I looks good in it. I don't know what is wrong with me althought, I am not gay and i really do like woman. Am I a male lesbian?

what does swimwear have to do with lesbians? bikini bunny day!