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a little tag team action will take care of all the issues. i swear. |
or just wait it out. See what happens. Keep it in yer pants. |
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quick, someone write lyrics to a song called "sodomy" sung to the tune of "memories" and make it distinct from anything you'd find in the musical "Hair". not that amanda or erin would know what "Hair" is, much less know the songs. but still, integrity is everything. no it's not. yes it is. i remember last time kalli and i had a threeway. or was it a fourway? do you count sexdroids? |
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Its part of the code. |
of course, you don't need to understand a sexdroid to abuse the hell out of it's anurectatronic unit. it's like understanding vodka: yes, understanding vodka will open a whole new realm of vodka tasting sensation. however, all you need to know is how to unscrew a cap to get drunk. |
In reality Roger, take what you can get man. Life is too short, you know I've seen situations like this time in and time out... And the majority therof' the reason you don't like Amanda is because you want Erin. Dude, don't think to hard about it. I'm telling you bag both of them. |
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sexdroids for all! |
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we are doomed! |
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I though Mormons were all cool with the multiple wives thing? |
i don't think they have a case against him. he was careful to divorce each woman he married before marrying the next. bigamy in the sense of legal marriages is the crime, not polygamy. |
child rape is one issue (apparently he started exercising his conjugal rights when she was just 13), incest is another, and welfare abuse is yet another. but trying to prosecute a guy for practicing de facto but not de jure polygamy? bullSHIT. |
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------ In court papers, Mr. Leavitt [prosecuting attorney, I think] charged that Mr. Green ["polygamist"] had been able to elude prosecution by marrying without state sanction. But he told the court he was basing his prosecution on the legal argument that Mr. Green had made no effort to hide his wedded relations and that "a solemnized marriage otherwise valid is not rendered invalid by failure to meet licensing requirements." ------ ahahaha. they don't care that he's a polygamist, just that he didn't hide it. by that same reasoning, isn't the prosecutor saying that serious gay commitments should be recognized as legal marriages even though they can't be licensed? have I ever told you all that marriage law in these united states is fucked? |
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making a business contract out of marriage makes no sense at all. |
marriage law is totally schizophrenic, the way courts won't allow some people who want to get married to marry, yet they force marriage laws onto others who could get married but didn't want to, and they go after other people who may have wanted to get married but couldn't and didn't and then claim that their lifestyle is too much like marriage. what the hell? maybe marriage should be a purely social/religious institution. maybe the government should stay out of it. people could legally designate their beneficiaries for different things and enter into contracts regarding the raising of children. |
no. warning someone to not have a news conference is not abridging their right to free speech. |
so nate, how do you feel about prenups? |
if you do, then who knows. to each their own. i was not going to have one drawn up, even though it would probably have been in my best interest to do so. i don't know. i have a very solid idea about marriage at the moment. |
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and I used the word "impinge," not "abridge." to "impinge" means to "encroach upon." I think when the government tells someone not to speak out about a political/social issue (I'm not talking insider trading or yelling fire here), that encroaches upon the right to free speech. |
"As Lt. Governor and member of the regents, I fought vigorously against the repeal of affirmative action by the University of California. I believe the university should reach out to all deserving students regardless of their race or ethnicity." -gray davis huh? |
the guy is an ass. I think he's been a complete pussy about this whole power issue. |
Pilate, tell us more about gettin' hitched. |
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But Pilate and I have had go-arounds about this in person.... What was this post originally about..? Booze or a gun? Booze or a gun? Booze or a gun? |
i would assume this isn't so prevelent in the south. the rest of the country? san francisco has a domestic partner requirement for any business that does business in SF. this extended to any airline that wanted to land at SFO. that created a hubbub. i think sf won, too. |
with drinks and party mix. San Fran being a hub for United. Coca Cola in Atlanta now offeres domestic partner benefits. So does Boeing, Delphi Auto, Times-Picayune, First Union, many Universities, city and state gov'ts as well. The San Fran law has stood up, but is constantly underfire from lawsuits. this is the current battle in San Fran |
Well,there is this lesbian couple,one is a nurse,the other is a respitory tech,and the nurse works ICU,and obviously,that is an area that frequently requires resp skills.So the hospital said that they could not work the same shifts.I guess that this could be viewed as the beginning of acceptance,here. But as of now,there are no shared benefits that I am aware of. |
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And I do agree that the Utah case isn't just about polygamy. It's much weirder than that. I don't have any major hangup about the whole marriage thing, except for the fact that if straight people can legally get married then gay (or polygamous) couples should be able to as well. Either the state recognizes ALL marriage or it recognizes none. None of this halfassed stuff where one type of marriage is okay but all others aren't. I also believe job-related benefits should extend to whatever partner you have, whether legally married or not. But good luck in THIS state finding a company that would comply. I don't really need the state to legitimize my marriage. I kinda wish it WOULD though, since that's a basic courtesy it extends to straight couples. And I'm a father now. Imagine if you had a kid and the state dictated that you couldn't marry your child's other parent. What kind of bullshit is that? |
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The whole marriage thing is just lame. I think it's stupid to say "John and Jane can get married and get all these benefits and stuff, but Jane and Jill are screwed." Let alone John, Jane, Jill, and Joe... I had a really fruity steward the last time I flew Southwest. We talked about Hepatitis B shots on the last leg. |
Luckily, the only bit of damage was that one was broken in half. They're still perfectly usable. Yay! |
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why does she do that? damn she's mean today. |
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you just seemed so ... pristine ... when you got here. i'm the last person who's going to judge anyone for taking some illegal pills. |
I keep such a clenched fist around myself, and I'd like to be able to loosen my hold but I can't. Right now my ears are burning because I'm thinking that maybe I laughed a little suggestively when a coworker said something funny. My stomach's in a knot because I think I may have talked too much about myself when I went to lunch with the guy down the hall. When I was whistled at by the construction workers across from my building last week, I felt pretty good about it, actually. I was perfectly fine when I got scolded for being late to work so often and when someone on the Beltway yelled at me for cutting them off this morning. But if I brush against someone's hand accidently, or if I don't act as friendly to someone as I think I should have, or if even think about running my fingers over the top of someone's forearm, it takes me hours to get over it. That's why I seem pristine: because I can't do anything that would make me feel worse than I already feel. Why am I so easily upset? I don't know! There's no rational explanation. There's nothing I can tell myself to make it go away, either, though it doesn't stop me from trying. But nothing works, and no one understands what it's like, and it makes me angry. And in two minutes I'm going to hate myself for posting this, but I'm worked up now, so away this goes. None of you know me anyway, so it's not like it matters. |
im guessing you'd prefer to let the subject go...and thats a shame because a lot of that just SEEMS based on irrationality, we are your friends, dig you and care about you. It genuinely upsets me to see that some of the smallest joys of human interaction, get to you so. But im also a diehard problem solver...i see a leak, PLUG IT, a broken rung, FIX IT. so i'll restrain my desire to help and take a seat in the back. |
i've always taken you to be secure in your choices, and not operating out of some irrational place in your psyche. you're right, no one here really knows you. but a lot of people really dig you. whatever i say, however i say it, i do not judge you. |
I think you guys probably know me better than a lot of other people. I would never have said what I just said to someone whose face I could see. I don't like people to know certain things about me, but sometimes you just need to get things out, you know? Talk to other people who also (I assume) feel the same freedom of self-disclosure here. I don't want to talk about what happened in any detail only because the two places I post from - work and home - have other people around, and I don't want to get upset around them. And also I think some of you would roll your eyes or laugh, and even if I'm not there to see that, I really don't want that to happen. I hope you don't think I was or am fishing for compliments or attention. I mean, no, I'm not. I'm serious about all this. But it really means a lot to me that you guys take an interest. I wrote my mother an email about some of the things that have happened recently, and her reply didn't address one thing I had said. I really don't want to be one of those people who takes and takes and never gives. I hope that's not how I come across. I've actually had a really good day today. I've gotten along with everyone very well. A co-worker I thought disliked me asked me out to lunch, another one wants to take me out next week to see his new house, and another is meeting me in DC on Sunday so we can take her little girl to the Smithsonian. So I'm not a mess or anything; people like me. Once I get over this hump I'll be fine and you won't have to listen to me complain about being crazy for at least another 6 months. I promise. Patrick, I like you. Tell your wife I say she's lucky. |
NO WAY!!!!! Why would we think that? Thats poop. Wanting attention is not a bad thing, but im 110% no one thought that, just you. If it would help, i'd be happy to pull my pants down and reveal an insecurity of mine...if I havent already done so. |
i get disappointed when people betray my trust. aside from that, everyone has reasons for whatever it is they do or do not do. doo be do. but that's not the point. and i don't think you're totally irrational. all things considered, i'm not totally suprised about your attitudes about sexuality. i think (and i'm not sure how well i've succeeded,) but i think that i have made a conscious effort to seperate my attitudes towards catholicism from conversations with you. especially after a certain point, some time ago. meaning that i do not intend to be critical of catholicism in a way that is personal to you. frankly, i think your religion has played a big part in what you're talking about. and that's the last you'll hear about it from me. it is not my intention to be critical of you. i have a lot of respect for you and your choices. i am concerned. i don't feel my advice could be applicable to you. our moral frameworks are a world apart. but, this is what i did: i dissected my morality into its most basic parts by directly addressing those things that existed in grey areas. grey in that i wasn't sure why i believed in them. like you said, rationalizable but maybe only rationalizable because of the irrational bit kicking me in the brain. so i went and did things. i manipulated people, drank and drugged, stole, lied, cheated, fucked... anything that i couldn't figure out exactly why i believed one way or the other. i gained concrete reason from that which harmed me as to why i should maintain certain aspects of my morality. which basically distilled down to dishonesty and the harm of others. all my morals grow out of those two litmus tests. which, i suppose, would constitute in some way your Man's golden rule. but, like i said, i don't think you could even approach this. i benefit from a fundemental belief that in no way is there record of my sins. as in, my actions are my own, as is my past. whereas you, i believe, feel that there is or will be some review of everything you do. anyway, i babbled. this is the important part: "it is not my intention to be critical of you. i have a lot of respect for you and your choices." |
please tell him to keep his pants on, though. |
What if there *were* a record of all the things you've done, but you knew you would be forgiven if you asked? What would it take for you to really *know* this and truly believe it and learn to forgive yourself because of it? I don't know the answer. It's hard. Now that I'm in my right head again, I can see that I was being scrupulous. Scrupulosity is like depression in that when you're in it, you can't remember what it was like to be normal and you can't imagine ever getting better. And now I can remember that the last time this happened was in October, when I was in a similar situation. What do they say: an abnormal reaction to an abnormal situation is normal? Too bad I had to record my reaction online for all to see. Thank you for your patience with me. Nate, when you look back, do you believe that you needed to go through what you did in order to reach those conclusions? |
