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Kaiden (no clue on middle name) Hixon! 8 lb. 6 oz. Welcome Kaiden. Enjoy the high levels of insanity that is otherwise known as our family! |
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Is this kid gonna be a samurai? |
My old bosses neighbour named their daughter Waverly. |
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I used to work with a girl her first name was Treasure and her last name was Mountain. Poor kid. Kaiden isn't the worst I have heard or seen. There has been worse. |
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I have a friend that swears theres a difference, and demands you call him buy the first one. |
i think i've known a woman named francEs as in bESt. perhaps the masculine form would more if the IS pronounciation. france is aww hell, its a gay ass name either way you say it |
I have a cousin (male) named Cheyenne and a cousin (female) named Dakota. I always thought they were backwards |
is that kay-den or key-den? |
The middle name (Alan) is Spunky's. It's a family name that is supposed to go from the first son to the first son. Since Spunky can't have a son of his own blood (well, he could but not with me) they decided to let his brother give that name to his second son, since Kaiden is the second son of the second son. |
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Or Winnebago (Ho-Chunk if you want to be accurate). Then there is always Kickapoo. |
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the last name was (supposedly) Hogg... hehehe, how cruel |
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Sem, do you know anything about the Seneca, regarding how they came to be called that? Is that a word in their own language? |
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So how did they get to be known as the Seneca? I found this bit of wisdom in my search: "Most powerful is he who has himself in his own power. The sun also shines on the wicked." |
shaddyup. you're ass is as white as they come man. |
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Im related to the Wright Bros. (by great cousins marrige to Bros. cousin, or nefew or something..) Whats your relation to Fame? |
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today. i am irritated with anyone who claims native american "in their blood". not only does it just sound silly....everyone knows we killed them all off sometime ago. youre middle american-honky-vanilla ice cream. plain jane man. horscopes seem more relative than where our great great grandpappy came from. i remember sometime ago cyst expressing her annoyance with this type of talk and i share it. |
Would it not follow then that you are Native American? John Wilkes Booth is lurking around somewhere on my mother's side of the family tree |
What the fuck? There are thousands of Native Americans living all over the country. They reproduce. They sometimes reproduce with people who are not Native American, thereby having children that are of mixed ethnicity. Who the hell are you to tell Trace he's lying about his ancestry? Do you know him? Do you know his grandparents? |
remember that conversation about being uptight? why are you taking me so seriously? |
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stick. ass. remove. |
i'll repeat. stick. ass. remove. and if it makes you feel better i'll apply my cynicism to anyone who makes the "i have apache in my blood" type of statements. its not about whether or not his great great great grandfather was an apache. thats not my point. its not my fault trace is repeatedly silly. i think its amusing as a people we find it a unique badge of neatness to claim heritage to cultures we stopped short of wiping off the map. it seems a uniquely american activity to cite other cultures as relative to who we are. |
i have goth in my blood. it rages in me when i am sleeping. if you claim goth and you are actually some pasty white anglo fool, you will find yourself trying to keep your bowels in your belly with your quivering little hands. |
Why should you give a shit what he claims about his heritage? What's it to you? Oh, right, it's yet another thing about him that makes you feel superior. Because, of course, you would never be that silly. Unthinkable. |
its not a matter of feeling superior. i dont feel superior to anyone. its not a matter of thinking im better, ive never thought im better than anyone. i dont say what i say to anyone thinking my backend isnt just as wide open for a kicking. i can usually take a ribbing, somedays better than others. so yes nate...i know im perfectly silly too. spider i know im silly because ive cited my lebanese and scotch-irish ancestory as some sort of relation to who i am before. and spider, while i think its a matter of you having a stick in your ass....its also a matter of having a stressful weekend, my wife taking her frustrations with my mom out on me, me being constantly caught in the middle and me having little to no patience for what i deem silly and stupid and annoying. on another bbs i lashed out this morning at a woman who was willing to spend upwards of 3 grand for a prefab treehouse for her son rather than have spend $50 at home depot and actually put stock in the value of spending time building the tree house with his parents instead of watching some yokle build it. so get off your high horse. i dont make statements without expecting them to come back at me in some shape or form despite what you think. |
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you is what you is. if there were more ass on sorabji id be less inclined to prowl. and why don'y ou ask spider about her other bbs's. she's been open about her tom catting for sometime |
Patrick, I still think you're denying the issue. Just lay off sneering at Trace for a while, okay? |
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Harold Macmillan (1894 - 1986) seems to be a little to much of this around these days. |
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is that all you guys got? where's the calvry? if this your sorry excuse for a whipping post...you people have gone soft. |
besides im not sure how admitting my foul mood on top of my own shortcoming would be denial but if you say so. |
"if you are born in America, does that not mean you are native? Would it not follow then that you are Native American?" Not. If you're born in america you can say you're american, or that you're from america, or whatever your family roots are. You could even say you're a native of america, if you move one day. But never just Native or Native American. Saying you're Native is reserved for people whose ancestry includes the tribes that lived on this continent before it was settled by Europeans. Those who used to be called 'indians'. If you have that, you are full or part Native. And i'll remind yall again, never ever use the word "eskimo"! |
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Maybe not, but he champions those that do. What's the difference? |
I am not. You don't get me. |
why? especially when that is contrary to the definition of the word? is a red indian born in the UK a Native American ? |
We are from a blackfoot tribe in Canada, so why is it that we are concidered "native americans" when we were never in "america"? Should we then be called "native canadians"? Just a thought |
Any citizen born in a country is native to that country. |
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"Any citizen born in a country is native to that country" Yes. But distinctions have to be made between people who were simply born there and those whose roots trace back to the original or ancient peoples of the country. I just meant that the term 'Native American' is most commonly used for people who are related to the aboriginal people of north america. And if spunky really does have it in his blood, he can go ahead and call himself native american. Otherwise, you can still call youself a native, but it's usually reversed, like so: Billy's parents are German, but he was born in the US. He's a native OF america, or an american native. Timmy lives on the reserve land up north. He's a native, or a native american, or First Nations, or Inuit, or Cherokee, or.... You will recall a similar problem that Lisa Simpson had with Apu and Homer in the Proposition 24 episode. Went something like this: Lisa- "We're all immagrents in this country... except native americans" Homer- "Yeah, native americans like me!" Lisa- "No, i mean american indians..." Apu- "American indians like me!" Lisa- "No! I mean...." "is a red indian born in the UK a Native American ?" possibly, it depends what they want to be called i suppose. Perhaps they would just say they were of whatever group their family was, like blackfoot or etc. |
Native means being such by birth OR origin... That is the definition of native. Not color of skin, not roots, but simply where you were born. No further qualifications are necessary. Personally, I believe it is more respectful to refer to Indians by their tribes. Cherokee, Blackfoot, etc. |
personally, i think the affiliations do more damage than good. us and them should be based on action and attitude rather than who fucked whom. |
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"Native American" has been given that designation. If you start haggling over the real definition of the word "Native" you're missing the point. It's been redefined in that context. But it's just words. Silly, silly words. I've got alien in my blood. |
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whether or not your german immigrant rat-faced great granny shagged chief come-a-lot at a prairie mixer is really irrelavent. hence the sillyness. |
but white people don't have this luxury? |
Usage Note: When used in reference to a member of an indigenous people, the noun native, like its synonym aborigine, can evoke unwelcome stereotypes of primitiveness or cultural backwardness that many people now seek to avoid. As is often the case with words that categorize people, the use of the noun is more problematic than the use of the corresponding adjective. Thus a phrase such as the peoples native to northern Europe or the aboriginal inhabitants of the South Pacific is generally much preferable to the natives of northern Europe or the aborigines of the South Pacific. *Despite its potentially negative connotations, native is enjoying increasing popularity in ethnonyms such as native Australian and Alaska Native, perhaps due to the wide acceptance of Native American as a term of ethnic pride and respect. These compounds have the further benefit of being equally acceptable when used alone as nouns (a native Australian) or in an adjectival construction (a member of a native Australian people). Of terms formed on this model, those referring to peoples indigenous to the United States generally capitalize native, as in Alaska Native (or the less common Native Alaskan) and Native Hawaiian, while others usually style it lowercase. Also, what TBone said about redefined words. Simply- you can go ahead and call yourself a native american, just don't question it if you confuse a lot of people. ------ "but I have to explain every letter of every word I say, and I am held to the fire " but spunky, in this case you asked a question, which some of us are trying to answer. "By spunky on Monday, May 5, 2003 - 02:07 pm: if you are born in America, does that not mean you are native? Would it not follow then that you are Native American? " I wouldn't have said anything if you didn't ask, i'm not usually in to debating. I'm just trying to answer your perfectly valid question about language. It's not a fight. |
Its annoying in the same way it annoys me when little girls think Avril Lavigne is punk. |
We've killed or enslaved every native society we could. This is part of white people's heritage. If you want to see some of our heritage, you should see all of it. But, ya'll seem awfully skilled at ignoring what you don't want to hear. You are weak. |
you juicing again, tiggles? |
people dont want to deal with white guilt, I say TOUGH SHIT. Here we get taught all about what Canadians did to Japanese immigrants and refugees during WWII. Its a shameful time for the country, but its necessary to know all about it. It was genocide everyone, never forget it. The same people who refuse to ackowledge that part of American history are some of the same ones mad German banks and companies that dont want to give reperations to Jews who had stuff stolen from them or were forced to work as slaves. They shake their fist at other nations' refusal to deal with their own shameful history, yet they look past their own guilty history. Let them have the term. Its the least you can do. |
I never denied slavery or "white men" killing the tribal indians. |
I can see how that might not be very clear. oh well. |
Why don't we have a "Kill a Nigger Month"? |
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I have no thoughts of being better than any other race or superior to them in any way. I don't see anyone acknowledging the horrible living conditions that immigrants had to live under in the north during the times of slavery in the south. White people hurting white people from a different country and killing them with the conditions they were forced to live under. See, Rowlf, I want to learn all of it, and not just the happy shit, cuz there isn't much happy shit. |
Because it's a part of white heritage. Seriously. |
"I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." -MLK |
I knew it! |
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I got a bonus, KKK was thrown into the mix as well. And some people call me brainwashed. |
'heritage' was said first by patrick, and then in your above post. 'white' appears about 18 times, in various contexts. These words never occur together. (don't you just love Ctrl F ?! It's so useful!) |
noone. Or perhaps it was to someone who fits my description who lurks but does not post. I know it actually normally does trace, but this board doesnt always revolve around you. IF it was to you I'd tell you, because I think history has proven I'm perfectly comfortable taking aim at something you said. "See, Rowlf, I want to learn all of it, and not just the happy shit, cuz there isn't much happy shit" I'm fine with that. |
Now, there is nothing wrong with that. It's relatively easy to point at a cultural signifier and say "That's Italian, I'm part Italian, it's part of my heritage." It's also easy to point to something and say "That's African-American, I'm African-American, it's part of my heritage." Where you run into trouble is when you lump all these different European groups together and say "That's White, I'm White, it's my heritage." Do you see where I am going with this? "White Heritage" is by and large "American Heritage". How do you separate out the "White" heritage from the overall "American" Heritage? I think that basically what I am saying is that when a Latino- or African-American says they are proud of their heritage, they are proud of what their ethnicity has done as a group. The same thing goes for Irish-Americans, Italian-Americans, Russo-Americans, etc, etc. Now, we are still a very young nation and I think in the future, European-Americans may very well be a distinct ethnic group. Maybe not. I think it would be said if so, because that would probably mean that there wouldn't be Irish-Americans, Finnish-AMericans, Norwegian-Americans and so forth, and that would be a loss. But when you separate it into races, that's where you are in trouble. |
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i found the word has been used by spider, tiggy and sem as well in this thread. |
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I have discovered that I am not a true conservative. I strongly oppose their stands on morality issues. |
so sem, are there any racially white, ethnicly african-americans? |
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I would consider "South African" to be like "American," in that unless your ancestors were the indigenous people of that land, you can't call rightfully call your ethnicity "South African." If you're white in South Africa, you're probably of English or Dutch extraction. |
I must be doing my job. :) |
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I'm thinking of Portugal and Spain. There are cultural differences between the two countries, but if you're looking at DNA, how different are the Portuguese and the Spaniards, huh? Especially nowadays, with people as free to move around the globe as they are, is there really much actual (genetic?) difference between and Englishman and a Dutchman? So isn't it just a cultural affiliation that people in America highlight when they call themselves Dutch-American, or whatever? And what about me? My dad is from Italy, but he's about as far from the stereotypical Italian as you can imagine (he's very quiet and unemotional, he doesn't care about food, he's not in touch with his family, he doesn't like music, he's extremely conscientious and organized, he's not a good dresser, etc.). I call myself Italian-American, because I am, but I don't relate to the Italian-American culture (e.g., what you see on Olive Garden commercials) because that's not what I've experienced. |
For example, what little box do you put the black seminoles in? |
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i would say i am ethnically american. i am culturally californian. i'm racially ? who the fuck knows. |
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the relevant definition of race is Function: noun Etymology: Middle French, generation, from Old Italian razza Date: 1580 1 : a breeding stock of animals 2 a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock b : a class or kind of people unified by community of interests, habits, or characteristics <the English race> b is where all the confusion comes in. Ethnicity is: Pronunciation: eth-'ni-s&-tE Function: noun Date: 1950 : ethnic quality or affiliation not helpful so here's ethnic: Pronunciation: 'eth-nik Function: adjective Etymology: Middle English, from Late Latin ethnicus, from Greek ethnikos national, gentile, from ethnos nation, people; akin to Greek Ethos custom -- more at SIB Date: 15th century 1 : HEATHEN 2 a : of or relating to large groups of people classed according to common racial, national, tribal, religious, linguistic, or cultural origin or background <ethnic minorities> <ethnic enclaves> b : being a member of an ethnic group c : of, relating to, or characteristic of ethnics <ethnic neighborhoods> <ethnic foods> and culture: 5 a : the integrated pattern of human knowledge, belief, and behavior that depends upon man's capacity for learning and transmitting knowledge to succeeding generations b : the customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group c : the set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes a company or corporation That's a starting point. more a little later. But i would say there is a clear distinction between culture and race/ethnicity. It;s the line between race and ethnicity that the problems really start, since race and ethnicity are cultural constructs (of course, the notion of culture is one as well, but it can't exist seperate from itself). What i mean is, you can have culture without the concepts of race and ethnicity, but not vice versa. |
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mmmmmmmrrrp. |
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I feel my IQ has suffered for reading this thread. I'm off to read some Graham Greene in the hope of reviving it. |
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