P.S. There was also very much partying in the evenings. |
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and the shield is lowered on oct.31/nov.1. |
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hehehhehe....you will have to ask Kebron about Pooh camp......after all, he is the official fishbowl bitch, and proclaimed the best fishbowl bitch ever :p |
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i like to celebrate Samhain by going to a party dressed up as Hello Kitty and doing tequilla jello shots with a bunch of other adults also dressed up in stupid costumes. |
. I just can't figure out how to make it work though. . I might have to go as the pumaman. |
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once i went as a Rubik's Cube. |
Were you functional? |
i heard a good idea over the weekend. Duffman. I don't know what Im going to do. Nothing scary as I dont want to freak out the kid. |
Must go through the suitcase. |
ditto the Danzig obsessed record clerk downtown. I figure she would know. |
kids that little have a concept of fear? i always thought that they seem to get scared at random, usually just from things that are really big or loud noises. Do they really get freaked by "scary" things, like, i dunno, the Alien action figure on my comp monitor? or weird things like Mr.Potatoe head? it's so interesting! I thought it would be a good idea for people with babies to get rid of all the baby-ish stuff in the kids room and put monster pictures and fake spiders everywhere, and then the child would be immune to regular little-kid fears of monsters n' such. also, while i'm on the subject, do infants truly "like" certain things? Blues Clues over Whinne the Pooh or Barney? Do they even notice? |
this was back in 1981. my favorite halloween costume of all time was a skeleton costume my mom handmade for me on request when i was seven years old. |
a costume idea that i like. this weekend is a girly sleepover and a halloween party and god knows what else. |
MMMMM fishbowl K |
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now i'm horny. |
that's rhetorical, btw. |
i have some ideas for you but I won't bother. |
the mead, the rituals, the fishbowl? libraries make me...well, you know |
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not. going. there. hee! |
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something about the panty hose. not the hose itself, but the fact that they feel its necessary to wear. the idea of ripping it would make me feel like a liberator. |
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Ok sorry I have been gone for so long but here I am. Preaching the merits of witchcraft is great. Hopefully when you do this it will be done in a manner that as you speak to those who are "jesus freaks" and think of us as satan worshipers will go away from the discussion with the understanding that we are not evil and do not mean harm to anyone or anything. There was once a person that I spoke with who told me that when the end comes (meaning "the return of jesus") that I would drop my Pagan books and go back to the bible. This is the same mentality of a person who told me that he thinks Pagans are horrible because of their animal sacrifices. After about thirty minutes of talking to this person trying to help him understand that all life no matter what form is to be respected by Pagans. He still insisted that he saw a Pagan ritual where an animal was killed. With that I hope that all discussions that anyone has about Pagans is friendly and sheds light on others about our beliefs so that they will not be so quick to judge. Hope this makes sense to all. K |
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One night I had a dream about a little white-haired boy being the Messiah, and the Holy Grail being a glass soda bottle with no label and filled with Coke, and a strong earthquake hitting which caused me to seek refuge in a neighborhood grocery store. On the floor in the store was a large pentagram, which I kneeled on for protection, but the earthquake kept causing me to slide off the symbol. When the earthquake was over, I went outside and there were crosses spinning in the air, and I knew they were visible from any point in the world. Men and women whom I knew to be characters from the bible were walking throughout the neighborhood, and I sat down on someone's porch swing with a few of these people. Water came and filled up by our feet, so it was as though we were swinging above a huge ocean, and there were squids and other fish in the water trying to bite our legs. Anyway, the dream told me that my heart wasn't at peace with Wicca and that I should return to Christianity. Incidentally, the scarily hardcore Catholic mother of a friend of mine also once had a dream about the Second Coming that featured a huge ocean and fish trying to bite her feet. I think in her dream, the fish swam into the wounds they had caused and sealed themselves up in people's skins. Anyway, if there's a global flood and fish try to bite you....well, you heard it prophesied here first. |
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By Christian definition (not mine), if you worship anything/one other then the God of the Bible, you are worshiping Satan. Period. There is no give in that definition. It is black and white. it does not matter if it is an idol, a goddess, or whatever. Not God of Abraham and Isaac, Not Son of God, not part of the Holy Trinity, then it is Satan. There are groups of them that even include Catholics in that group because you pray to Mary, and have too many symbols, too deep into symbolism. Most even beleive a cross is wrong, because you begin to deify that instead of Christ. According to Christian belief. |
don be tellin ma dis furry thing isa sacred an thisa one isnt. i'll fry em boff up |
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******************* This is why the document on the relations between the Church and Hinduism and other religions of the Far East is so important. We read: "In Hinduism men explore the divine mystery and express it through an endless bounty of myths and through penetrating philosophical insight. They seek freedom from the anguish of our human condition, either by way of the ascetic life, profound meditation, or by taking refuge in God with love and trust. The various schools of Buddhism recognize the radical inadequacy of this malleable world and teach a way by which men, with devout and trusting hearts, can become capable either of reaching a state of perfect liberation, or of attaining, by their own efforts or through higher help, supreme illumination" (Nostra Aetate 2). Further along, the Council remarks that "The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions." The Church has a high regard for their conduct and way of life, for those precepts and doctrines which, although differing on many points from that which the Church believes and propounds, often reflect a ray of that truth which enlightens all men. However, the Church proclaims, and is bound to proclaim that Christ is 'the way and the truth and the life' [Jn 14:6], in whom men must find the fullness of religious life and in whom God has reconciled everything to Himself" (Nostra Aetate 2). The words of the Council recall the conviction, long rooted in the Tradition, of the existence of the so-called semina Verbi (seeds of the Word), present in all religions. ************* --Pope John Paul II, Crossing the Threshold of Hope |
"Spunky, of course you mean "According to ONE Christian GROUP's belief." Right? " "wrong." There are, to my knowledge more then ONE christian Group that beleives there is only one true God, and all the rest are cults, regardless of what these other groups choose to call themselves. Southern Baptists, Pentacostal, Full Gospel, Assembly of God, Mormon's, World Wide Church of God, RLDS, Jehova's Witnesses, and, my personal favorite, Seventh Day Adventists. |
what sem said means, not all christians believe that. one christian group, as in, a christian group that is defined as a group by one critera: that belief. that would leave another christian group that didn't believe that, such as, as spider pointed out, the O.C.'s, the original christians. what you've done is ignored the intent of the statement and instead understood the literal word to mean either what you expected or what served you best. which is kind of funny. all things considered. |
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So much grief would be averted if the **1)Spunky makes a statement, 2) Someone directly and unequivocally refutes that statement, 3) Spunky ignores the refutation/denies the original statement/attempts to distract the responder** pattern were broken. |
. I need to start writing my dreams down. . |
Alrighty then, here we go. IF you beleive there is more then one God, more then the God who sent his only son jesus christ to die on the cross to take your sins and rose again on the third day and is now setting at the right hand of God, if you do not beleive that He is the only one, Then you are NOT a Christian, so you would not be concidered a part of that Christian group. YOu deceve yourselves. Sorry, that is the way it is. No, I no longer subscribe to that theology, but I did study it and had it forced down my throat for 18 years and even preached in front of a congregration on several occasions. I know how they think. And just because someone says something that contradicts me, that does not mean they have refuted my argument or proven it wrong in any way shape or form. |
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No one is saying if you worship Ba'al or Brahma Shiva and Vishnu, you can still call yourself Christian. Okay? You did not even start out by saying that. Okay? You said, "By Christian definition (not mine), if you worship anything/one other then the God of the Bible, you are worshiping Satan." I provided an example of a Christian perspective that says (paraphrasing) there is good in other religions, and quoting, "The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions." Okay? Notice the absence of accusing Hindus and Buddhists of being Satan worshippers? OF COURSE if you're Hindu, you're not Christian. I say again, what the hell? Who is saying that you are? Seriously. Reading comprehension. Look into it. And yes, if someone provides factual evidence the contradicts a statement you've made, they have refuted your argument. |
that is your argument, spunk. |
That you can be Christian, but still respect other religions and not write them off as evil satan worishiping baby killing pagan witches. |
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And my point was: You cannot. Hey, food for thought, who's hungry? why do i no longer attribute myself to the christian groups? answer: they are wrong. so are any other religions that are based on a man-made diety. |
I'm sorry that you have been hoodwinked into thinking all Christians believe you either worship Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior or you are doomed to burn in a fiery pit for all eternity, but that is not true. I'll say it again for you since you're having trouble reading today: That. Is. Not. True. Many Christians DO NOT believe that. They believe that YOU CAN believe in something other than Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, and you will NOT burn in a fiery pit. It's OKAY that you believe in another diety or dieties. Did you even read what I quoted from the Pope up there. No, probably not. Go, read it. Synthesize its meaning. Understand. Comprehend. You'll learn something. |
please. you're upsetting spider. |
It's like this: Spunky: All women are blonde. Person X: No, they're not. I'm a woman and I have brown hair. Look, here are five pictures of me. You can see my brown hair. Hell, here, I'm mailing you a lock of my hair so you can see the dark color. And here, this is an ultrasound I had done on my uterus, so you can see I'm a woman. Spunky: ....Yep, women. They're blonde, all right. GAAAHHH. |
maybe I need to explain (i thought I did this already). "I'm sorry that you have been hoodwinked into thinking all Christians believe you either worship Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior or you are doomed to burn in a fiery pit for all eternity, but that is not true. I'll say it again for you since you're having trouble reading today: That. Is. Not. True. Many Christians DO NOT believe that. They believe that YOU CAN believe in something other than Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, and you will NOT burn in a fiery pit. It's OKAY that you believe in another diety or dieties. " I never denied that there are groups that choose to beleive they are christians that think other god's are OK, but by biblical definition, they are not christians. |
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Anglican Church, 325 AD We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, light from light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father; through him all things were made. For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven, was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary and became truly human. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered death and was buried. On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father [and the Son], who with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen. ************************************************** That is the definintion I am applying here. I do ascribe to that, but this creed defines what I was taught a Christian was. |
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"The Nicene Creed...That is the definintion I am applying here" Is that definition in the bible? I can't find it. |
oh kazu i am heartfully sorry for all of my spins because they displease you who are hot shit and deserving of all my love and with your help I will spin no more |
. Still semantics, and still unwilling to admit admit misstatements. . I wish to make an amendment to Spider's excellent parody. . Spunky: All women are blonde. Person X: No, they're not. I'm a woman and I have brown hair. Look, here are five pictures of me. You can see my brown hair. Hell, here, I'm mailing you a lock of my hair so you can see the dark color. And here, this is an ultrasound I had done on my uterus, so you can see I'm a woman. Spunky: There are too blonde women. I've seen them. Person X: Yes, some women are blonde. Spunky: That's what I'm saying. Women. Blonde. Yellow hair. Person X: But not all of them. Spunky: Well a woman has to be blonde or not. She either is or isn't. Person X: True, except when women color their hair in stripes or something. But not all women are blonde. Spunky: Women who dye their hair don't count. They refuse to accept the hair color they were given and expect to be given a hair color they didn't earn. Person X: That's beside the point. I take it somehow you've never seen a woman with naturally brown hair? Or black? Spunky: I never said that. Next you'll accuse me of dying my own hair. Like I said before, hair dye doesn't change a person's natural hair color. ... |
I don't like your attitude about religion. Here's a healthier way to think about things: (1) It doesn't matter what religion or sect you follow be it Activism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, Shamanism, Buddhism, Judaism, Paganism, Shintoism, Science (the religion of the Athiests) or Agnosticism. None of them are absolutely concrete, so in essence, they can all be true or all be false. It doesn't matter. (2) What does matter is respect. For yourself, for others, for the environment. A conversation with my little sister: She: "Christians are the chosen ones. By being good and introducing people to the love of Jesus Christ, they become Christian and are chosen for heaven." Me: "What about Jews?" She: "Oh, they're the chosen ones too." |
And the bible would seem to agree with this idea. jeez. |
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. Then instead of saying "yeah, I meant some, not all." he claimed to have been saying "some" from the getgo. . Subtle difference. Just got blown out of proportion like everything else. . My version of spunk and person x I wrote earlier just seems mean now. Sorry. *sigh* |
TBone, your amendment to my parody would be perfect if you threw in some statements about men having blue eyes and person X shrieking in agony, "What the fuck does that have to do with ANYTHING?" God. Enough of this. |
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"I never denied that there are groups that choose to beleive they are christians that think other god's are OK, but by biblical definition, they are not christians." If you follow his logic then it shows that he still subscribes to that belief, that their interpretation of what is means to be Christian, that is the correct one and that Christians, who are more flexible, but still hold up the bible as their authority would still be wrong. Which leads me to think that he hasn't fully extricated yourself from the fundamentalist thinking that he grew up with. Spunky, you have the right to feel/think whatever you want about religion, but your blind dismissal of all man-made diety based religions as just wrong because they just are mirrors that of the fundamentalists and proves the point I just made. |
ouch. bad kazu. bad. bad. |
see, this is what happens when I don't proofread. "oh yeah I can type and post without fretting... watch, i'll do it right now, see, look I just wrote and posted...see see see...oh shit, what was I thinking, oh my god everyone is going to hate me now." |
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i'd like to interrupt this debate briefly to say: can you please keep jesus out of this? for fucks sake, if he had any idea how convoluted his message has become... the religion of christianity has very little to do with the ideas, themes, and beliefs about which jesus the human being was reported to speak. not one single time in the New Testament was Jesus reported as saying "I am the Son of God". what jesus was reported as saying is "We are all children of God." he spoke of a way of living and treating other human beings and the earth in a way that is almost entirely NOT reflected in the doctrine of the christian (catholic or protestant or otherwise) church. |
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also: i think wicca is cute. so are wiccans. |
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Matthew 11:27 "All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him." John 6:40 "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day." Though, Jesus also made many statements saying God is everyone's father -- Matthew 6:6 "But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you." Matthew 6:26 "Look at the birds of the air, that they do not sow, nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth much more than they? |
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again spider, in none of those above versus did jesus say I Am The Son Of God. nor does he expressly say that "The Father" or "My Father" equals "God". where is the definition for what was translated into "heavenly Father"? did Jesus speak in Capital Letters? |
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i've said it before... Christianity is the most successful pyramid marketing scheme in all history. and they're not even selling any tangible product! it's an economic anomoly! |
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John 6:32-38 ********************* Jesus then said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread out of heaven, but it is My Father who gives you the true bread out of heaven. For the bread of God is that which comes down out of heaven, and gives life to the world." Then they said to Him, "Lord, always give us this bread." Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst. But I said to you that you have seen Me, and yet do not believe. All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me." *************** I don't see any ambiguity there. |
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right, i can call god my father, and i can refer to myself as The Daughter of My Father, but that does not mean that i consider myself the actual daughter of "God". and bread? bread from heaven? did jesus want people to think that every person literally would never have the sensation of actual hunger or actual thirst, that if everyone "went" to jesus, that they would be fed and watered? i don't see any ambiguity here either: the man was speaking in metaphor. unless you think he meant actual loaves of bread from actual heaven. i mean honestly, it's like spunky taking everything literally, instead of interpreting the intended meaning. jesus wasn't speaking literally. read the words again: "All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me." HUH? what the fuck is that supposed to mean? you want to break that down sentence by sentence? that to me is actually very, very embiguous. if Jesus meant to say I Am The Son Of God and unless you believe that I am the Son of God you will go to hell or live in hell, but if you believe that I am the son of God you will go to heaven or live in heaven, then why wasn't he ever reported as saying those words? what exactly is the will of Him who sent Him? |
"For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life." IF you do not beleive that Jesus is the Son of God, then you have lost the key to salvation, for what power would his death on the cross have over your sins if He was not the Son of God, but rather a teacher? To marginalize who He is, is to marginelize what He did for you. That is what I remember about that particular subject. To not beleive that Jesus was the Son of God is to not be "saved". |
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ooops, sorry. i've inadvertently hijacked this thread. anyway, i don't think it's reasonable to say that all christians believe that anyone who doesn't believe that jesus was the son of god who died on the cross for their sins is either a) is going to hell or b)is worshipping satan. i also don't think that one has to believe those things in order to be considered a True Christian following the bible, or whatever creeds. but i don't believe any of the premises of the the Christian religion anyway. obviously. |
Jesus Christ, John 14:6 Luke 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: |
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but jesus, he was a seriously righteous dude. |
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Yeah, but if Christians don't believe those things, then Christianity kind of loses its reasons for being no? |
see. i like that. it almost sounds kinda beat. |
It made me laugh. Anyway. |
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Whatever. This is boring. Did anyone see "Angel" last night? The script was written by Ben Edlund, he of the Tick. There were some really cute lines, like this bad-assed demon sitting in a bathroom stall and calling out "Occupado!" when the door jiggles. Hee. Or this other demon coming to a Halloween party dressed as a human, complete with argyle vest and suburban dad catch phrases. |
i don't know the answer to that question. but i look at it this way. i practice yoga even though i don't consider myself a yogi or believe in all the "religious" aspects of yoga. i think i also believe a lot about the way of life and faith and described by jesus, and many of the ways of life i try to practice are those prescribed by Christianity, but i'm definitely not a Christian. it's disappointing that you suddenly find religion a boring topic, spider. |
i say this because in 2000 years when everyone is worshiping me i don't want any confusion. |
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The hardest part for me is the people who claim to be Christians and yet do absolutely nothing to follow "God's Plan", and don't read the bible, and don't try to live a respectable life. Who say one thing in the name of their religion and then go out and do the exact opposite. That drives me nuts. |
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At least in my mind. Because, I am responsible for how I see the world. And, when I die that vision dies with me. Therefore the world dies with me. Therefore, I am GOD. So I shall never die. You may all now bow before me. Is the doctor here with my medication yet? |
i need whore shipping. |
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heard about this yet? |
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Nate - your really warped. Sarah - That is really weird. |
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If you weren't you'd be in a mental institution someplace. Unless you're in one now and we don't know it yet. |
I like this one better |
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