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Check out this excellent visual analysis of the election results. It sheds a lot of light on the whole "red state, blue state" thing... |
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bev harris said there's a media blackout on the topic. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2636130 |
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this is a good start, but it isn't going to cut it. a fucking media blackout? is this the USSR? what the hell. |
nate. i've never seen you so excited about a political issue. suspicious dave. wonders it there's some baiting going on. |
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Neon sign at the Sorabji Diner. |
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Ashcroft resigns... this is his reason.... there are no words. |
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I'm glad to hear that ashcroft's mission was accomplished. We all knew he was going out with the changeover, I guess he's just speeding things along... |
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especially, for some reason, the people from other countries saying thanks for trying. |
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in my class (not the one I am teaching) about voter fraud. Now, the whole fraud/supression issue has been on my mind since way before November 2. And it's something that I can get pissed of about, and after listening to AA this morning, I was all fired up. So anyway, this woman starts going on about how what she's mad about is that Bush won and that the liberals/left/dems need to let the "whole voting thing go." I was pissed. I went on about how this is not about the election's outcome but about the vote more generally and I was NOT going to let that go. EVER. I feel kind of bad for snapping at her, but I am getting mad just thinking about it. FUCK |
LOL RE: Ashcroft- my brain just exploded. Insane quote of the year. It's like a fireman showing up to a small fire, tourching the whole house instead, family still inside, and then going "Well, my work here is done!" |
kazu, don't expect the slightest smidgen of sympathy from the 51. and don't stop arguing. it sucks because at work, i'm the vendor, so i have to be on my best behavior when talking to 51s. fortunately, they're greatly outnumbered and easy to spot, so i have time to stuff it all back down inside and project calm. |
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Do I need to list my friends like Russian Brides? |
It has been five days since the election. In that time, accounts of voter fraud and malfunctioning voting machines have flooded into local newspapers in Ohio, to public-interest groups, universities and weblogs. This message is an overview of those reports. The stories are summarized here, with links to the original publications. After seeing this evidence -- and there is more still to be rounded up -- I am no longer convinced that Bush won the election. I hope you will read through these summaries, click on the links to the original stories, and come to your own conclusions. I've included all the accounts of election tampering that I'm aware of, but have not done a broad search. This is only what I've learned in the past five days. My education was provided by a group of concerned journalists who posted reports to a chat list. This is a compilation of their research. I believe there is enough evidence to suggest that the electorate may have actually chosen Kerry on Tuesday. We don't know for sure -- we can't know till there is a recount. Or, if that's not possible because of electronic voting machines, until the election is held over in Ohio and Florida. Bush has not yet been chosen by the Electoral College. The Electors meet and vote on Dec. 13. We need to raise questions about the results -- and raise them loudly -- to get an investigation launched before that date. So far, the mainstream media in not picking up the story. They moved very slowly after the 2000 election. Here are the accounts of election tampering from four states, plus reports on multi-state problems. (Please note: some of the newspaper links may expire soon. You may want to print out the stories so that later on, you don't have to buy them from the newspapers' archives.) FLORIDA: The most troubling news comes out of Florida. Throughout most of the state, new electronic voting machines were in use. These machines -- many manufactured by a company called Diebold -- are controversial because they don't leave a paper trail. There is no way to double-check the results. The final Florida tallies on Diebold machines from Tuesday are literally unbelievable. In 29 counties where Diebold machines (an optical scanner) were used to count the ballots, large majorities of voters were registered Democrats. But the final results gave all the counties to Bush, sometimes by huge margins. The individual county data shows how unlikely the machine results were. For instance: In Calhoun County, 82% of registered voters are Democrats. But Diebold machines said 63% of the county voted for Bush. In Lafayette County, 83% of voters are Democrats, but Diebold said 74% of the county voted for Bush. In Liberty County, 88% of voters are Democrats, but Diebold said 64% voted for Bush. In Washington County, 67% of voters are Democrats, but Diebold said 71% voted for Bush. This same pattern appears in the results for 29 COUNTIES in Florida. In every one of those counties, the Diebold Optical Scanner produced the results. The Optical Scanner has been called the voting machine that is most susceptible to tampering. Many of you have been watching elections closely for years. Do you believe that in 29 Florida counties in which Democrats were in the majority -- in some cases with 4 out of 5 registered voters being Democrats -- they all voted strongly for Bush? Here are the links. You can find the voter registration/final result data here: http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm You can find a story analyzing these results here: http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1106-30.htm You can read about electronic voting machines -- an untested phenomenon in American elections, here: http://www.moderateindependent.com/v2i21thoreau.htm THE OTHER PROBLEM IN FLORIDA: In 6 counties -- again, they were all using electronic machines -- more votes for President were recorded than there were actual voters in the counties. Altogether, these six counties reported 188,885 more votes for President than there are voters living there. Right now, no one knows whether those extra 188,000 votes were cast for Bush or for Kerry. But Bush won the state of Florida by a 5% margin -- contrary to what all the polls were showing only days earlier. In Glades County: 2,443 votes for Bush / 1,718 votes for Kerry / 27 votes for Other. Those add up to 4,188. But the machines recorded the official turnout as 3,446. That adds up to 742 more votes than voters. In Highlands County: 25,874 for Bush / 15,346 for Kerry / 271 for Other. Official Turnout: 33,996. That adds up to 7,495 more votes than voters. In Miami-Dade County: 358,613 for Bush / 406,099 for Kerry / 3,841 for Other. Official Turnout 716,574. That adds up to 51,979 more votes than voters. In Osceola County: 43,108 for Bush / 38,617 for Kerry / 453 for Other. Official Turnout 63589. That adds up to 18,589 more votes than voters. In Palm Beach County: 211,894 for Bush / 327,698 for Kerry / 3,243 for Other. Official Turnout: 452,061. That adds up to 90,774 more votes than voters. In Volusia County: 111,544 for Bush / 115,319 for Kerry / 1,495 for Other. Official Turnout: 209,052. That adds up to 19,306 more votes than voters. Use this link to get to the data: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/5/18466/2846 STILL MORE PROBLEMS IN FLORIDA This account comes from partisans. Four Kerry volunteers working in Broward County sent a letter detailing election tampering to one of the reporters on our chat list. All four signed it and included their email addresses. They report a wide, disturbing range of problems, from voters saying their electronic machines malfunctioned, poll workers denied them assistance, to police putting up roadblocks on the routes to polling places, and so on. The entire text of the letter, along with the signatures, appears at the bottom of this letter. OHIO In Ohio, there were problems in four counties and one city. In Howard County, a judge ruled on Election Day that everyone standing in line to vote at 7:30 p.m. had to eventually be allowed inside. The order said the ruling was good for the day of Nov. 2. (You can view the order at the website below.) But maybe it didn't occur to the judge that everybody might not make it inside by midnight. At the stroke of midnight, when the calendar legally clicked over to Nov. 3, Republican Ken Blackwell, the secretary of state, told all the waiting voters to go home. His workers gave them paper ballots (i.e., provisional ballots), told them to fill them out and bring them back later. It was an improvised move that undercut the intent of the judge's ruling, and created chaos. Many people in Howard County still haven't turned in those ballots because they don't know where to take them or what the deadline is. The only kind of ballot in a federal election that people can legally take home, fill out and turn in later is an absentee ballot, and those are marked as such. They're marked with clear rules concerning deadlines, postmarking, and so on. So an uncounted number of people in Howard County--estimated in the thousands-- couldn't get in and were turned away with what may be ruled an illegal procedure. The vast majority of those votes wre expected to go to Kerry based on the heavily Democratic population of Howard County. The Democrats have filed a lawsuit. You can click on the Ohio State University law school website to read about it: http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:pKbOJwHH7OMJ:moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/analysis/110304b.htm+Ohio+7:30+election+Blackwell+waiting+line&hl=en&start=4&lr=lang_en Meanwhile, in Warren County, election officials locked the doors to the County building and refused to allow bi-partisan observers to watch the vote-count. They also denied access to the AP reporter (it is standard procedure for the AP to observe vote-counting in counties all over the country.) The Sheriff of the county said he did it for "homeland security" reasons. He never explained or specified what the security concerns were. Here is the link to the story in the Cincinnati Enquirer: http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/11/05/loc_warrenvote05.html Meanwhile, in a Columbus suburb called Gahanna, the same problem showed up with electronic machines that we saw in Florida: more votes were cast than there were voters to cast them. In this case, however, the problem was investigated and the extra 3,893 votes were shown to have been erroneously tallied for Bush. Here is the link to the story on the Ohio Network News: http://www.onnnews.com/Global/story.asp?S=2524952 Meanwhile, in Mahoning and Mercer Counties, electronic machines again malfunctioned, but the effect that had on the vote count is not clear. The machines had to be re-set, and at one point showed votes of "negative 25 million," according to the head of the local board of elections. Here is the story from the local Youngstown paper, called the Vindicator: http://www.vindy.com/basic/news/281829446390855.php INDIANA In Laporte County, electronic voting machines once again appear to have failed. They tallied results for 22,200 voters, even though there are 79,000 registered voters in LaPorte County. Assuming the county actually had a 65% turnout rate (comparable to others in the area and its own track record), that means 29,000 votes were not counted. Here is the link to the story in the Michigan City News-Dispatch: http://www.michigancityin.com/articles/2004/11/04/news/news02.txt NEW HAMPSHIRE This is one of several states where original exit polls (interviews with voters as they are leaving) do not jive with the results produced by electronic voting machines. I was told by an administrator at Bev Harris's group, called BlackBoxVoting (more on this below) that they are urging Ralph Nader to press for a recount in New Hampshire. Nader was on the ballot there, so he is in a good position to ask for a re-count. You can read about Harris and her work at www.BlackBoxVoting.org. SIX STATES In at least six states, there was a large difference between how people said they'd voted, and how officials said they'd voted. In Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, New Hampshire and New Mexico, there was a large discrepancy between what voters said in the original exit polls, and the final results claimed by election officials. In each of those six states, electronic voting machines were used in some or most of the counties. In contrast, in states where paper ballots were the primary method of voting, there was little or no discrepancy between original exit polls and official results. To see an easily viewable graph of this data, go to http://www.therandirhodesshow.com/todays_show.html That graph was originally compiled by a website affiliated with The Raw Story, which often gets quoted in the major dailies. So far as I know, it's a reputable site. You can see their original posting here: http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=388 MORE ON EXIT POLLS These are routinely conducted in elections by major news organizations. Accounts are surfacing that both the Associated Press and CNN (and perhaps others) later CHANGED their exit polling data to more closely resemble the official results. So far as I know, none of the news orgs has offered an explanation. They may try to justify it on statistical grounds. Here are two accounts. The first is very brief, the second is in-depth: http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/04/11/ana04025.html http://globalresearch.ca/articles/KEE411A.html MORE ON ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES Here is an except from the Moderate Independent website about Bev Harris's work. She is a freelance journalist who has been documenting how unreliable the machines are, and how vulnerable they are to tampering. "Bev Harris, author of Black Box Voting and the BlackBoxVoting.org web site, has documented numerous cases of electronic disasters. One occurred in Volusia County, Fla., in 2000 in which county election officials hand recounted more than 184,000 paper ballots used to feed the computerized system, after the central ballot-counting computer showed a Socialist Party candidate receiving more than 9,000 votes and Al Gore getting minus 19,000. Another 4,000 votes were received for Bush that should not have been there. "Election officials eventually tallied Gore beating Bush by 97,063 votes to 82,214. But the wrong numbers had already been sent to the media, which were used by FOX and other networks to erroneously call the election for Bush and swing the public relations part of the recount battle in his favor." I urge you to get familiar with Harris and her work as quickly as possible. Three Members of Congress Have Asked the GAO to Investigate the Election Three Congressmen have asked the General Accounting Office, a federal agency, to investigate the election, citing questionable results in Ohio, Florida, North Carolina and California. Click here to see their letter to the GAO: http://forum.therandirhodesshow.com/index.php?act=ST&f=87&t=34711 Remember These Four Points: -- Bush's approval numbers were consistently below 50% throughout the campaign. -- New Democratic registrations in Ohio were 10 times that of Republicans, and in Florida, Democrats held a similar but somewhat smaller advantage. -- All the polls that were still giving Bush leads after the debates were within the margin of error, and when the undecideds started making up their minds over the last weekend, Kerry's poll numbers were surging. -- the $10 million exit-poll system, specifically designed not to fail this time, clearly showed, in the original reports, a Kerry victory. Other Voices to Hear: Other people besides me and the journalists I know are beginning to question the legitimacy of the election. Here are some of them: http://www.tompaine.com/articles/kerry_won.php http://americablog.blogspot.com/archives/2004_10_31_americablog_archive.html#109970362694815839 http://www.ecotalk.org/VotingSecurity.htm http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=18588&mode=&order=0 Here is a report of voter complaints in 7 Southern states: http://www.abcnews4.com/news/stories/1104/185549.html Again, I urge you to realize that there may still be time to do something about this before the Electoral College meets on December 13th. The first step is to educate ourselves. The second step is to educate the mainstream media. The local and regional press, and the alternative media, have been doing their jobs; now we need the national press to do its job, too. If you are concerned about this election being stolen, please do two things: 1) Send your concerns to everyone you know, both inside and outside the United States. 2) Send your concerns to the major news organizations. A list of contacts appears at the end of this message. Sincerely, Donna Knipp, New York, N.Y. The Letter from Kerry Workers In Broward County, Fla.: "Spurred by the unwillingness of the broadcast media to report voting problems during the 2004 election race, we want to alert others to the widespread voter suppression and disenfranchisement that occurred in Broward County, Florida. We staffed the emergency hotline for the Kerry Campaign Headquarters in Broward County from late October through the election. "All of us were devastated by the margin of Bush’s win in Florida, particularly since polls predicted the race would be extremely close. "Many of the calls to our hotline were from voters who had pressed the “Kerry” button on their electronic voting screen, only to have “Bush” light up as the candidate they had chosen. In some cases, this would happen repeatedly until about the 5th or 6th time the voter pressed “Kerry” and eventually his name would light up. In other cases, the voters pushed “Kerry” but were later asked to confirm their “Bush” vote. "We had calls about a road block, put up by the police at 7am on Nov. 2, which blocked road access to two precinct locations in majority black districts. There was no justification for the road block – no accident or crime scene or construction. "Many of our calls dealt with voter suppression, or manipulation, of the Haitian population – occurrences which seem too numerous, and their targets too indefensible, as primarily poor, first-time-voter, Creole-speaking refugees, to be anything but systemic. In one example, a voter whose hands were bandaged could not press the touch-screen himself; he asked the nonpartisan election official to press “Kerry” for him, but the election official pressed “Bush” and sent his vote immediately into the machine. Many, many others were denied the right to vote and were not given provisional ballots, while others were refused assistance at the polls, even though provisional ballots and voter assistance are legal rights. "Others were told they had already voted and were turned away, although they had never voted previously. This latter experience was a complaint not isolated to Haitians but also included other surprised voters with no recourse except their word against that of the Supervisor of Elections. "We spoke with hundreds of voters who were certain they had registered to vote in the past 6 months, well before the October 18 deadline, but were not on the rolls. And those were just the people who had the information to contact us. "The local paper, citing the Supervisor of Elections office as its source, told all people voting by absentee ballot that they could turn in ballots by hand to any of its seven offices by 5pm on Tuesday, Nov. 2. "Every single one of those offices except one was closed on Tuesday. "We had numerous calls from voters on Nov. 2 whose precincts had closed, yet the Supervisor of Elections office had given voters no notification of the closure, and no notification of where to go to vote. "Thousands of people were likely disenfranchised because of inexcusable mishaps such as this. We had many calls from people who had been harassed by poll workers, who were turned away without being allowed the right to vote provisionally (another breech of voter rights). Other people were turned away because the address on their driver’s license did not match the address on their voter registration card; again, this is in direct violation of election law. "All of these problems do not even take into account the 58,000 absentee ballots that had been “lost” by the Supervisor of Elections, in perhaps the most democratic county in the state, disenfranchising thousands of people who were disabled, out of the country, or elderly and unable get to the polls. These events, and many others, have been documented and also reported to lawyers, but we fear they will not get the attention they deserve. This is what we witnessed in just one county. We believe that these “voting irregularities” raise serious concerns about the legitimacy of the results in Florida, and more broadly, about the health of democracy in this country." Libby Anker Libanker@berkeley.edu Ryan Centner rcentner@berkeley.edu Jill Greenlee jillgs@socrates.berkeley.edu Rachel Van Sickle-Ward rvansick@berkeley.edu A list of media contacts: ABC News 47 W. 66 St., New York, NY 10023 Phone: 212-456-7777 D.C. Bureau phone: 202-222-7777 General e-mail: netaudr@abc.com ABC World News Tonight with Peter Jennings: Phone: 212-456-4040 Fax: 212-456-2795 E-mail: netaudr@abc.com Nightline: 1717 DeSales St., NW, Washington, DC 20036 Phone: 202-222-7000 E-mail: niteline@abc.com 20/20: 147 Columbus Ave., 10th fl, New York, NY 10023 Phone: 212-456-2020 Fax: 212-456-0533 E-mail: 2020@abc.com ABC's Good Morning America: 147 Columbus Ave., New York, NY 10023 Phone: 212-456-5900 Fax: 212-456-7257 E-mail: netaudr@abc.com CBS CBS News 524 W. 57 St., New York, NY 10019 Phone: 212-975-4321 Fax: 212-975-1893 D.C. Bureau phone: 202-457-4385 CBS Evening News with Dan Rather: Phone: 212-975-3691 or 202-457-4385 Fax: 212-975-1893 The Early Show: Phone: 212-975-2824 Fax: 212-975-7133 or 212-975-2033 60 Minutes: 555 W. 57th St., New York, NY 10019-2985 Phone: 212-975-2006 Fax: 212-757-6975 60 Minutes II: Phone: 212-975-6200 CNBC 2200 Fletcher Ave. Fort Lee, NJ 07024 Phone: (201) 585-2622 Fax: (201) 583-5453 Email: info@cnbc.com CNN One CNN Center, Box 105366, Atlanta, GA 30303-5366 Phone: 404-827-1500 Fax: 404-827-1906 E-mail: cnn.feedback@cnn.com CNN Washington Bureau 820 First St. N.E., Washington, DC 20002 Phone: 202-898-7900 Fax: 202-898-7923 Crossfire Phone: 202-898-7655 Fax: 202-898-7611 Larry King Live Phone: 202-898-7690 Fax: 202-898-7686 Fox News Channel 1211 Ave. of the Americas New York, NY 10036 Phone: (212) 301-3000 Fax: (212) 301-4229 Email: comments@foxnews.com MSNBC One MSNBC Plaza Secaucus, NJ 07094 Phone: (201) 583-5000 Fax: (201) 583-5453 Email: world@msnbc.com NBC 30 Rockefeller Plaza, New York, NY 10112 Phone: 212-664-4444 Fax: 212-664-4426 Washington Bureau 4001 Nebraska Ave. NW, Washington, DC 20016 Phone: 202-885-4200 Fax: 202-362-2009 NBC Nightly News with Tom Brokaw: Phone: 212-664-4971 or 202-885-4259 Fax: 202-362-2009 E-mail: nightly@nbc.com NBC News' Today: Phone: 212-664-4602 or 202-885-4231 Fax: 212-664-4426 E-mail: today@nbc.com Dateline NBC Phone: 212-664-7501 Fax: 212-664-7864 E-mail: dateline@nbc.com Public Broadcasting PBS 1320 Braddock Place, Alexandria, VA 22314 Phone: 703-739-5000 Fax: 703-739-8458 The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer 3620 South 27th St., Arlington, VA 22206 Phone: 703-998-2150 E-mail: newshour@pbs.org National Public Radio 635 Massachusetts Ave. NW, Washington, DC 20001-3753 Phone: 202-513-2000 Fax: 202-513-3329 E-mail: Jeffrey Dvorkin, Ombudsman ombudsman@npr.org All Things Considered: Phone: 202-513-2110 E-mail: atc@npr.org Morning Edition: Phone: 202-513-2150 Fax: 202-513-3329 E-mail: morning@npr.org National Newspapers Los Angeles Times 202 West First Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012 Phone: 800-528-4637 or 213-237-5000 Fax: 213-237-4712 E-mail: letters@latimes.com New York Times 229 W. 43rd St., New York, NY 10036 Phone: 212-556-1234 Fax: 212-556-3690 D.C. Bureau phone: 202-862-0300 E-mail: letters@nytimes.com USA Today 1000 Wilson Blvd., Arlington, VA 22229 Phone: 800-872-0001 or 703-276-3651 Fax: 703-247-3108 E-mail: editor@usatoday.com Wall Street Journal 200 Liberty St., New York, NY 10281 Phone: 212-416-2000 Fax: 212-416-2658 E-mail: editors@interactive.wsj.com Washington Post 1150 15th St., NW, Washington, DC 20071 Phone: 202-334-6000 Fax: 202-334-5269 E-mail: ombudsman@washpost.com Associated Press 50 Rockefeller Plaza, New York, NY 10020 Phone: 212-621-1500 Fax: 212-621-7523 D.C. Bureau phone: 202-776-9400 Magazines Newsweek 251 W 57th Street, New York, NY 10019 Phone: 212-445-4000 Fax: 212-445-5068 E-mail: letters@newsweek.com Time Time & Life Bldg., Rockefeller Center, New York, NY 10020 Phone: 212-522-1212 Fax: 212-522-0323 E-mail: letters@time.com U.S. News & World Report 1050 Thomas Jefferson St., Washington, DC 20007 Phone: 202-955-2000 Fax: 202-955-2049 E-mail: letters@usnews.com |
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I whittled it down to 8 pages inc. the Kerry Workers letter. And I'm including my real name & contact info. If I get any replies, I'll let ya know. - RC |
CNN: cnn.feedback@cnn.com is a bad address. Came back as undeliverable. I checked their site, but the only option is to fill out a Comments form. Which, of course, wouldn't accept an 8 pg. letter. So I will fax CNN tomorrow - actually, later today. I didn't contact every tv news show -- AM puff programs like TODAY don't hard news. But I did contact the following: VIA EMAIL: ABC News Nightline 20/20 CNBC Fox News MSNBC NBC Nightly News Dateline Jim Lehrer NewsHour NPR - via the ombudsman's address LA Times NY Times USA Today WSJ Washington Post Newsweek Time US News & World Report The others with no email addresses, I will fax a letter to tomorrow. G'nite. - RC |
somewhere a VERY long list of e-mails you can send things to, they are people's e-mail's journalists and producers and stuff. They are public e-mails, but 'tis good to have them in one place. Lemme see if I can find it and I'll post it |
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i uploaded one of cleo but they either didn't screen it yet or the error message i got was really an error message. |
"when the government violates the rights of the people, insurrection is for the people the holiest and the most essential of duties" maximilien de robespierre |
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ABC World News Tonight -- fax wouldn't go through but I'd emailed them earlier. Maybe they turn it off an nite. (Then what's the point of having a fax line?) CBS Evening News 60 Minutes CNN NBC Nightly News Dateline - Fax wouldn't go through but I already emailed them. CNN I got email autoreplies from NPR, USA Today, NY Times & US News & World Report. That's it so far. And I got an email from Act For Change with a formletter you can send to your Senator or Congressmen calling for an investigation of the voting machines. You must include your name & address, esp. the zip, but their system automatically plugs in the appropriate politician & sends it. http://tinyurl.com/4v4ul Get crackin' people! - RC |
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Dear President Bush, Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and support a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As you said "in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man a woman." I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination... End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them. 1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? 2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? (I'm pretty sure she's a virgin). 3. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? 4. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it? How can I help you here? 5. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Aren't there 'degrees' of abomination? 6. Lev.21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here? 7. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die? 8. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? 9. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend).He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work.- Adolph Hitler, speech to the Reichstag, 1936 I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.- Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf, pg. 46 I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn't do my job.- George W. Bush, Lancaster County, July 2004 God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East.- George W. Bush A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has.- Aristotle Fundamentalism isn't about religion. It's about power.- Salman Rushdie |
Agatha -- Did you really send that to the White House? You Go, Girl! Forward a copy to your local paper & see if they'll print it too! - RC |
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I have been given the task of getting links for our websites that have good page rank on the links directories. In addition we have many categories so your site will be place on an appropriate page. If you would like to trade links please send me your website details. If you are not the right person please pass this on to your webmaster. Best Regards, Helen Williams |