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But i'm intrigued where people are standing today with the primaries running, favorites on either side. I have to say over the last couple months I've really come to hate Hillary Clinton. I'm not an out and out supporter of Obama OR Edwards, I find strengths and weaknesses in both, but Bill and Hillary's tag teaming and Rove-style politics have pushed me over the edge. on the other side despite everything you could say and against all logic, I've always found it hard to out and out hate McCain. The idea of him in the white house is easier to swallow than any of the others and at least its not Giuliani. |
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Keyes, for example? " noone was going to stop him. he had the keynote, and its frigging Illinois. A teenager could beat Keyes in Illinois. |
Don't get me wrong. I'm going to support Obama, most likely. His meteoric rise just gives me pause. |
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Lewis Black for President. i'm going to write him in. |
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actually, i wish i had more time and more hands to write more on this topic. but yeah, that about sums it up. |
Speaking of travesties, dada for president. the first dada, breaking the dada ceiling, going where no dada man has gone dada before. |
I don't envy the next president at all - they're inheriting a total wreck from the Bush administration. I don't think there's any question about that. |
I stumbled across a nice chart of candidates and issues- here it is for anyone else finds this type of presentation handy |
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You know what would make this discussion easier? Candy. |
i like Mitt Romney's idea, though, of doing away with income tax altogether, and just raising sales tax. oh god, would i love that. i think it was Romney, and not Huckabee... right? my brain, my brain, o long lost brain. you know, each election year that i've been a registered voter i keep thinking "it just can't get worse" and yet, unimaginably, it does. |
is it? where does her 35 years of experience come from? does that include campaigning for Goldwater? working for WalMart? is she counting being a first lady? I'm sorry, but she's running on bill's coattails, went to the mat on health care and never got up, meanwhile being bought and paid for and a friend of the healthcare industry, and all of a sudden shes speaking the same old language for the first time since then now that shes campaigning, is a pseudo hawk who has never apologized for her war vote... I really dont see the upside of her other than that maybe people want Bill back in the whitehouse behind the scenes, or because that shes enough of an attack dog that she can fight the republicans... she's a lousy candidate on the record, on experience, and on electability. and if McCain's the opponent, between the two of them she's the Clintons are the dirty politicians. "simple and condescending" to me would be the line of 'just because shes a woman' - i hope you're not reading between the lines to that, because thats not what i'm saying. Hillary Clinton simply isnt her own candidate. |
is not something i would ever expect to hear from you. i still think your analogy does not fit with what you are saying. i also don't agree with everything you are saying, but i will probably never explain myself. i do appreciate you saying what you think. |
all I can say is I've gotten too interested in everything lately, and as much as you can see rotten shit from all sides, in debating actual policy ups and downs, who's electable and who isnt, upsides/downsides of character, the Bill issue plays big time among most Hillary supporters. Its a tough dog to fight because his presence in the White House again makes Hillary seem a 'safe' choice, but simply out of principle, and especially seeing how much he's stuck his head in now that theres a challenger, I get a much much much more negative outlook on those two, and I think he drastically undermines and overshadows Hillary's chance to prove herself. With the exception of this past debate, for the most part she is more likeable and believable as a candidate on her own than she is on the trail. When she stumps to me she turns into everything the Republicans ever said she was. I get the impression she can galvanize Republican turnout in the fall better than any of their own candidates can, which not only loses the presidency, but hurts the house and the senate - and in my opinion keeps the country just as divided as it is now. Edwards and Obama, for all their apparent faults, aren't going to inspire Republican turnout that much above its current pathetic showing in the primaries. When it comes to their actual strategic changes, yes I think its POSSIBLE that the current bickerings hurt Barack among women, its POSSIBLE that theres a Bradley effect among voters... with Edwards I'm mostly concerned that he got his clock cleaned debating Cheney in 04 even when Cheney was blatantly lying and even I knew the proper comeback... however in neither case if you want to get down to the nitty gritty of who can win, who can make sure the senate and the house pull through, who can on personality alone be strong 4 years from now, they have the upside. on current policy, they're a lot closer on the issues than most people admit, and I dont think Barack is the agent of change that he says he is in that regard. But of the things he does promise, I think he and Edwards are more likely to get it done than Hillary, who time has proven to me isn't much of a team player. if she'd had actually cooperate back in the early 90s "Hillary care" might have been a success rather than a colossal failure that she's now mysteriously treating as a positive experience... |
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I havent ytmnd'ed anything in a while. most of my favorite site creators got disillusioned with the site runner's terrible organization. |
if hillary w. gobbels clinton becomes president i might move to canada. i am so sick of presidents in the pockets of corporate america. i ran out of pills three days ago. i finally got the next batch today. i don't know whether to laugh or cry. get it? |
bashing article: "It’s odd that the first woman with a shot at becoming president is so openly dependent on her husband to drag her over the finish line. She handed over South Carolina to him, knowing that her support here is largely derivative." http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/23/opinion/23dowd.html? _r=1&hp&oref=slogin even Ted Kennedy wants him to lay off. The scorched earth policy helps nobody but the Republicans. |
seen a couple of his movies. That said, YTMND will pretty much sink to any depth and I've kind of gotten accustomed to seeing that sort of reaction. What they're doing with Heath is nothing compared to whenever a wrestler dies. As you may guess theres a lot of wrestling fans on the Internet. The same people who would otherwise make fun of Heath there today would go on massive rampages about tact. |
That's actually part of Obama's appeal for me. He has an odd Republican following, which I'm guessing stems more from some kind of back room deal with right wing power players than anything else. (Resulting in positive media/whisper coverage and only weak/ridiculous negative coverage.) That gives him a better chance in the general election than others, if only from a combination of right wing voter demoralization and a propensity to not vote against him. Right wing voters always need some(thing|one) to oppose to motivate them to turn out. Obama could be palatable enough for them to vote by not voting. Hillary would motivate them to show up and vote against her. |
...and that doesnt just hurt her, it hurts ALL Dems in office, and it hurts any special ballot. ...and this is all without Bloomberg on the ballot. ...anyways, right now I'm finally watching the big Barack speech from this week: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf0x_TpDris ...and while I'm skeptical that its as mindblowing as its now hyped to be, it should be noted that in the 40 hours or so since it was posted its getting way more views than any of this other bickering shit. I have no idea what people really want to see regardless of what the media tells me we're looking for. If Barack were to win, the main thing I would not look forward to watching for 4-8 years isn't the supposed lack of experience (which I still dont get, by my math legislatively I don't see what makes Edwards or Clinton more qualified). Really I'm wary of how much he stutters when off his stump. It's kind of grating, I feel like I'm watching my dad. |
but i'm investigating other candidates as well, i'm not sure a democrat candidate really deserves my vote. i wish there was more information on electoral college reform. |
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Speaking of Wrestling fans, Hulk Hogan has thrown his support behind Obama. This is now what I would love to see in a campaign commercial: "Whatcha gonna do....when BARACKOMANIA runs WILD over YOU???" (oh, and Sarah, it was Huckabee who wants to do away with the income tax and just have a 25% sales tax. He's also the guy who wants to bring the constitution in line with biblical values, so thank god he's not the republican front runner anymore) One thing I want to know: What the fuck was Guiliani thinking? |
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I honestly have no idea where ol'spunky would sit right now. |
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Guiliani reminds me of a mouse. |
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oh, and Spunky? i heard a rumor he was campaigning for Hillary! |
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Wisper, I LOLed. Then I clicked on that link and I :~(ed. |
bah. |
hm. imagine. i had to google "vrwc" |
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Victims of Razor Wire Cuts? Valedictorians of the Royal Women's Circus? |
"Spunky Texan, proud VRWC member " we can safely eliminate spider's three creative guesses. dr pepper, that is a trick question! you are so clever! but you can't fool me! ha-ha-ha! |
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Don't you think he might have noticed that in his header after all this time? |
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yeah, but i bet he gets chosen as a vice presidential running mate. he knows he can't win the nomination, so it may even be his strategy at this point. pulling out before it gets too ugly to get a shot at vice president. |
i have a feeling obama will pick edwards. |
I can see Obama picking Edwards, but I don't know if Edwards would accept. perhaps, but once bitten, twice shy? Dodd would make a pretty good veep, I think. |
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Obama is all but mathematically in. |
most talk I've seen has Edwards as an Attorney General. |
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I'd like to spit in her fucking face right now. She's resorted to "muslim email" level fear mongering tactics. what a sorry excuse for a human being. right now I'd trade the rest of my own votes for the rest of my life for one Texas or Ohio vote. |
but wait, you might say, she started keeping her hair short long before the whole islam terror thing blew up. to which, i reply, now you are beginning to see my point. i am not going to go so far as to say that Hillary is a high ranking, america hating operative in the al qaeda organization, but with evidence such as this it is hard to even begin to imagine thinking otherwise. why else would she start taking steps to distance her public self from the fierce islamo-fascist lifestyle and all its trappings? can you draw any other conclusion than her hatred for america has led her to join forces with severe underground terror movements? |
over the past few weeks it has dropped considerably |
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if i was really moved enough to flee to canada as a political protest, i'd have done it years ago. but if i did, i'd like to go to halifax, the home of ellen page and porn legend peter north. seems like people i could relate to. |
I can't stand Ellen Page's acting style... |
it it just me or is this only shades away from becoming one of Giuliani's ridiculous ads? |