THIS IS A READ-ONLY ARCHIVE FROM THE SORABJI.COM MESSAGE BOARDS (1995-2016). |
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TOP 10 REASONS TO CIRCUMCISE 1) Phimosis in older males can cause urine blockage with acute hypertensive kidney damage. 2) Balanitis or balanoposthitis - an acute pus-producing infection of the foreskin - is unheard of in circumcised males. 3) Painful zipper injuries are fairly common in uncircumcised males. 4) Of the 60,000 cases of penile cancer reported since the 1930's, fewer than 10 occurred in circumcised men. The risk of penile cancer in uncircumcised men is 1 case per 380-600 men; in circumcised men it is 1 case per 75,000 to 8 million men. 5) Prostate cancer may be increased for uncircumcised men. 6) Cervical cancer is increased in the partners of uncircumcised men. 7) Every study ever done has shown increased incidence of urinary tract infection in uncircumcised males. One in 25-100 uncircumcised males will get at least one urinary tract infection. These infections can cause scarring of the kidney and ultimately hypertension or kidney failure. 8) Sexually transmitted diseases are more common in uncircumcised men. Penile hygeine is said to protect against the complications of the uncircumcised state. While this may be true, there is actually no study to show any benefit to penile hygeine, nor any practical way to do such a study if you consider the problem of actually documenting scrupulous hygeine over very long periods of time. 9) Significant bleeding from circumcision is rare. 1-2 per 1,000 performed may need pressure to stop bleeding. 1 in 4,000 will need a stitch to stop the bleeding. In the forty years between 1953 and 1993, three boys died of hemorrhage due to circumcision; two of these were boys circumcised at home by non-medical persons (Jewish mohels). During the same time period, 9,000-12,000 men died of penile cancer. 10) Serious infections develop in about 1 in 4,000 cases. About one in 15,000 boys undergoing circucism suffers trauma necessitating plastic surgery. Perhaps one boy in a million suffers loss of the penis due to surgical mistake. Anesthesia of the penis is readily accomplished with a dorsal penile nerve block. Topical creams can be used but are less effective. These statistics from Thomas E. Wiswell, Jefferson Medical Center, Philadelphia. |
Duly noted. It's big of you to admit it, at least. I wonder who he MEANT to pick. Maybe the Aryans? or those crazy Irishmen. |
we should crop our children's ears, too! and the litte toe! that serves no purpose! let's remove them! a removed little toe will never break! |
my current partner is uncircumcised. when i realized how much more sensitive the head of his penis is from being protected instead of calloused from exposure, i felt sorry for any man who's ever had it lopped off. and no, he has no medical problems, because he keeps it clean. by the way, your reasons 9 and 10 are not in support of circumcision. they are information on what can go wrong with circumcision. damn, it's weird to be back in these sorabjiite boards after all this time. it's nice to see that the weirdos still come out and beat god over our heads. |
wouldn't wish it on an enemy. i think it's cruel, or at the very least, unnecessary. both of my husbands, present & ex, are uncut. never saw a problem in either case. why fuck w/ nature? i know a number of jewish parents who've opted out of the whole circumcision schtick. i talked to a mother who'd just come back from her kid's bris & she said emphatically, "never again." sure enough, the second son was not subjected to a circumcision. if you actually have to stand there personally & watch one of your kids suffer through an act of genital mutilation, there probably won't be a repeat performance. |
you just reminded me of my college boyfriend, who also had a circumcision and was cut far too close. if the skin on his penis was pulled on at all, he would have excruciating pain. he couldn't even masturbate normally. by the way, chosen one, the doctor whose statistics you quote is widely regarded as a total crackpot. i searched for his name on google and the first entry i found says: Recently, some controversy has arisen over whether circumcision constitutes "surgery." In a recent deposition, Thomas E. Wiswell, M.D. testified that circumcision is not surgery. This is odd considering that Wiswell has referred to circumcision as "the most commonly performed surgical procedure in the United States" in the opening of most of his articles on the subject. then there's: In spite of overwhelming evidence, Thomas E. Wiswell maintains that "Furthermore, these physicians have incorrectly included meatal stenosis among complications of neonatal circumcision." you might find: http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/cancer/ informative. it explains studies which show there is NO LINK between not being circumcised and an increased risk of penile cancer. as for your crazy statistics, chosen one, i can't find them. check out http://www.noharmm.org/incidenceworld.htm for no-nonsense statistics. even with dr. wiswell's conservative estimate of a 2% complication rate from circumcision, that's 12.9 MILLION MEN worldwide who have had some sort of major problem after their foreskin was ripped off. in summary: chosen one, cut your penis off for all we care. we're glad you are happy with your hardened cock head. just don't push your child genital mutilation on other people and claim it's the "right" way. science and medicine (and the american society of pediatrics) clearly are not on your side. |
look here: http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/UTI/ for information on urinary tract infections and circumcision. chosen one's claim that "every study ever done" has shown an increased risk in uncircumcised men is a lie. |
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Your analogies are from hunger!! EARLOBES will never result in your death or downfall!! But FORESKIN can and will!! DOH!! Once again, UNCIRCUMCISED MEN have a greater incidence of STDS, HIV, PENILE CANCER, BALINITIS, PHIMOSIS, UTIs, etc, etc, etc. Nate, you're a GOYIM to the bitter end, eh!?eheeee |
Very foolish of you to cite that ANTI-CIRC NEO NAZI WEBSITE!! If anything, it works against you!!! What's next!? Will you also be directing us to THE HOLOCAUST DENIERS WEBSITE!? LOL! I sincerely believe that if the online SHIKSAS (female gentiles/non-Jews) knew what a CIRCUMCISED PUTZ looked like, they would fly their lovers to the HOSPITAL!ehe Once again, all of those anti-circ nazi sites use PROPAGANDA as a scare tactic!! What counts is what occurs after the healing process! Do the math: 10 minutes of the most common surgery in all of medicine (with 1 week of healing), or a lifetime of upkeep!? No brainer!! Have you ever seen post-op pictures of FACE LIFT patients!? They appear as if they have gone through a brick wall!! Swelling is common in every surgery!! As is THE SQUEAMISH FACTOR! But alas, we cannot use that as a basis to oppose CIRCUMCISION! Unfortunately, since the anti-circ ilk is incapable of impugning the overwhelming evidence of health benefits of CIRCUMCISION, they must then rely on GESTAPO TACTICS!!! BTW, you actually had the CHUTZPAH to site a 2% statistic of CIRCUMCISION COMPLICATIONS!? LOL! That number is lower than people who have LIFE THREATENING REACTIONS to ASPIRIN! DOH!! Compare that 2% with thousands of people who die from malpractice, each and every year! What will you find!? A greater % than 2% in every COSMETIC SURGERY ARENA!! Should we cease medical intervention, because there are no guarantees in life!? Once again, the anti-circ choir continues to dwell in HEBEE JEEBEE IDEOLOGY!! To reiterate: CIRCUMCISION is still THE SAFEST & MOST COMMON FORM OF SURGERY IN ALL OF MEDICINE!! Why are you incapable of acknowledging this undeniable fact? |
my stepmother had a lot of kids, all male. they were all circumcised. but after working in the medical community for many years & reading up on the subject, she had a major change of mind about the whole thing. she didn't want the procedure being performed upon her grandchildren, begging my brothers not to allow it to be done. they complied. my jewish relatives aren't doing the circumcision thing anymore. the gentile side of the family never did see any sense in it, anyway. it's nothing i'd force a child to undergo, personally. optional surgery for someone too young to voice an opinion just doesn't strike me as a good thing. i've also noticed that there's a growing trend among adult males to actually have foreskin reattachment surgery. while i'm not completely sure of their motives, i found it interesting that they'd go through the trouble of having it reattached. my husband never got circumcised, although he's of partial jewish descent. his family just never saw it as important, i suppose. like so many other issues, you'll find compelling arguments on either side. cut dick, uncut dick, who cares? the primary reason i'd take exception to it is that the individual whose schlong is in question is almost always a minor incapable of expressing his own will in the matter. |
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All this talk of penis is making me hungry. Hrm. Dunno how that works. |
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Give it a rest, Jeff. I for one would have liked some voice in the manner of keeping my foreskin. |
No STD's, urinary tract infections, nuthin but fun. I did find the zipper comment funny though. I also find it funny that docs charge anywhere from $400 to $600 for the circ. hmmm |
he's born with a foreskin, and it's natural. if he decides later, when he is grown up that he doesn't like it, and wants circumcision, HE WILL HAVE THE CHOICE and i think he will appreciate having that choice. that's just my personal opinion. i don't feel very strongly one way or the other, but i made this decision for my son. |
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It's not like I remember it, or anything....but I couldn't really reccommend it to anyone..... Guess I'll just crawl back to the cave with the rest of the GOYIM!!!!! Haw,haw, haw.... |
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There is absolutely nothing natural about allowing a condition (foreskin) to persist, when it can just as easily be remedied!! FORESKIN is an abnormal growth of skin!! It's no different than a benign cyst that has to be removed. And what is the eventuality of a benign cyst!? If it is not removed, it becomes malignant!! You must be able to train your SHIKSA MIND to think with SENSIBLE EYES!ehe Once you are capable of saying, "circumcision is the trimming away of excess sebaceous ridden skin", then and only then will you be thought of as rational minded!! Remember, in JAPAN, over 70% of newborns suffer from PHIMOSIS and BALINITIS!! Why!? Because CIRCUMCISION is practically non existent in their country!! There comes a time when you must put away your MILK & MEAT and CONCEDE!! Jesus H. Christ, we are living in the 21st century, people!! There's absolutely no reason why anyone should have to shlep foreskin around. Doing so only places you back to the stoneage period!! |
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If Jeff Jarrett there happens to be a golfer, I think my brand o' religious nuts would be happy to assist you. Was Arnold Palmer Jewish? |
Does the Pope shit in the woods? |
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sorry that was completely random and unwarranted. digital tick..... |