Still. I have a love thing for sports bras, but I think I ought to be able to purchase something to wear with tank tops and the like.

this girl i was photographing the other day had this nifty bra with a draw string-like mechanism that could pull her tits together for super clevage. i thought that was clever.

Victoria's Secrets sells tank tops with bras built in them. I don't know how much support they give though. Support is key.

They have bras for wearing tank tops,I think they are called t-backs.

Victoria's Secret makes really nice bras....

Sounds interesting, Patrick. Can you post them?

naw

Dammit I bought a new bra the other day - decided to wear it and it squeaked. I hate bra shopping.

Mmmmmmoooooonit, when you say it 'squeaked,' what the hell do you mean? Je ne comprends pas this squeaked. Your boobies squeak? Is the bra plastic? Does it look good but just make funny noises?

My boobies do not squeak dammit. Its the bra - cause its new, (and probably I should I bought the same brand I always do), but no I had to try something new and it must be the underwire or something - I havent fully investigated it yet, after all it cost me $49.95 I dont wanna rip into it and see what the hell is going on, but prehaps I should.

You paid that much for a bra?

I think they're more expensive in NZ (someone on here from that area said they paid $60 for a bra, I'm sure of it). But I did see one in the VS catalog that was $68 dollars. [insert hydraulics joke here]

Did they pay $60 NZ or $60US? Cause thats the one thing thats gonna be tricky 4 me when I get to the US - the kiwi dollar is worth 50c US. Anyway nice bras are expensive here, good sports bras are worth about $50-$60.

Yeah...they were getting really into expensive bras at VS. The Angle bras, for example, got totally out of control. I like their second skin satin.

what is the deal? i need bras lots of them good ones going without is not an option they are terrible and too expensive and they wear out just when they get to be perfect maybe this is a business opportunity

I,ve gotten Victoria Secret bra,s cheap at Ross Marshall,s.

Sometimes they have sale bins too, if you have a sort of unusual size (like me). It is wierd that bras are so expensive to make, though. They don't _look_ like they require that much effort/fabric, so production costs should be pretty low. It's a mystery.

it annoys me when a bra gets to be comfy and then the wire starts poking u in the armpit. or falls out in the washing machine

I am looking for the perfect ManBra.

That's why I always handwash mine. It's a pain, but they last longer that way. Antigone: Wonderbra might do it (stuffed). I would go with coconut shells, actually...

Handwashing's the only way to go...I have small, sloped shoulders and I hate having to deal with bra straps falling down all the time.

the imagery of your mantits antigone has ruined my herculean impression of you

I saw some man on tv who had breast implants,he was real proud of them.Some friend of his dared him to do it and paid for his boobies,he only had to keep them for a year,but after the year was up he still kept them.What some people won,t do for attention!!

I'm still Herculean. They're quite hairy.

If bras aren't supposed to make noises, how did we come up with the terms "honkers" and "hooters?"

My bras start to squeak, and i hate it. And when I decide that a bra is my favorite, and it is so comfortable and flattering, it ends up tearing up. And with a 36 DDD, it is not easy to find a sexy bra. And VS bras make me have spill-over cause they are too low cut. I want a perfect bra, so I can be happy again!!

I've noticed that the bigger your boobs are, the fewer sexy bras you can find. All the Really good bras are made for A's and B's.

As and Bs are best

shut up patrick some things aren't a matter of choice you know

well of course.......i should have added i do not discriminate

well thats alright then. Mine are getting smaller (boobs I mean). I'm not sure if I'm happy about that or not. I am because it means the rest of me is shrinking, and I'm getting lower sizes, but it also means the girls are getting smaller. I think I would rather be healthy than overweight.

I hate not being able to find a sexy bra that also gives support, and isn't too expensive, or low-cut. the bras at Fredrick's of Hollywood are cute, but are too low-cut for just an average day at school. I need new bras, I want a bra of a color that isn't tan or some off-white color!!! I want a new bra, one that won't stab me in the tit!

Yeah, doesn't that hurt? And you can't fix it in public, so you have to suffer until you can find a good place to do it. Jeez. And if I were snotty, I would say that the reason that A- and B-cup bras are so nice is so that the people who wear them have something to feel good about. But I'm not snotty, so forget I said that.

I think that is what it is Ri...I am not snotty either,so, forget I said it.

Maybe once y'all find some nice bras that you like, you could post pictures of yourselves wearing them. I'm sure nobody'd mind.

yeah right dougie.....stick around and wait for that to happen. i'd post a pic of me in a bra before Rhiannon would.....(no offense dear)

No offense taken. You are correct, sir.

It's really hard to find a bra in an unusual size that looks/feels nice. It's like they assume if you're sporting D's that you want a bra as uncomfortable as possible, and in some ugly colour. It's really obnoxious. Then again, the size changes a little. I'm a C in the Victoria's Secret line, but a D in the Olga line. Go figure. It's highly irritating. Oh well. I've settled for VS Second Skin Satin, which I believe I have said before, but still stand by. Very comfortable bra, not overly sexy, but it does the job. Or at least, I think so. But I'm not going to take a picture. By the way, what happened with the nude pcitures that Nate has?

does anyone know what the average breast size for a woman is?

36C

hey make your own bra

Well, I have yet to find that bra that is comfortable, and sexy..in fact, my favorite bra, from Fredrick's of Hollywood, just broke today. While I was at school, I felt it poking me in my tit, and I could have screamed!! Stupid crappy bra!

Yeah, I'm still looking for that perfect jockstrap. One that looks really macho from the outside, one that looks like it hurts to wear it, and that makes me look like I'm hung like a grey whale, yet unbeknownst to the beholder, is actually lined with plush rabbit fur, to keep my boys snug and cozy and comfy.

We always have that problem with the SCA...(jockstraps are required, and they have to fit just right...otherwise a badly aimed blow could, uh, slice 'm off). It seems like every time I go to the city I'm dragged into department stores looking for the "ideal" strap. It's no fun. The clerks always look mystified when they see a bunch of men trooping up to the counter, oly to part to let the credit card (me) through...They haven't found a brand that works yet, but if they do, I'll pass the word.

What's the SCA, and why are you paying for these men?

the society for creative anachronism, a bunch of geeks who dress up like medieval knights and quote monty python at length.

Cool. Can I join? I say ni a lot, and I love shrubbery. I'm also well practiced at dressing up -- my cat and me have dress up parties all the time. She looks so cute in the little dresses and bonnets I sew for her, and I look damn fine in high heels.

I have silver sleeves.

i fart in your general direction!

What are silver sleeves, J?

Fawlty Towers is great too. How many variations of the name on the sign out front have you noticed? All I can remember are Flowery Twats and Watery Rats and Fatty Owls Anybody?

I can,t remember the skit,I just remember some looney wiping his nose on his sleeve,and going silver sleeves,over and over.

I'd thought I'd seen them all; must've missed that one.

It could have been in one of their movies,this is why it,s not so good to smoke pot and drink alot.I can,t remember anything anymore.My friends won,t even call me past 10 p.m. cause they figure I,m gone by then and they get pissed if I don,t remember our convesation the night before.I always liked Ab Fab but I,ve seen all the ones on comedy central.

I think I'll rent me some MP this weekend.

Rent Polyester by John Waters,if that doesn,t crack you up,you can call me a ho.

I often look to the people who brought you People magazine for personal validation. In Style, which started off as a People magazine spinoff in the mid-90s, is People without the people, just the celebrities. And that's why it's better. If I cared about orphans and beauticians and cancer patients and high school shootout survivors, I'd ... well, I can't imagine what. I would never be personally interested in personal-interest stories about the unattractive and dull. (Unless someone made them into a movie, and then only to see if they resembled the star who played them.) But In Style is all good. Its favorite story subjects have lots of names and homes. And it tells you how you can be just like them. While the upscale New York fashion magazines are prettier and glossier and classier, they're not very instructive. They're for flipping through in bookstores or airports, where someone might see you. In Style magazine is strictly for the gym, which, unlike, say, Barnes and Noble, only the truly desperate could ever regard as a pickup place. When I get there, I look for In Style first. And then I always look at the date. If it's not one of the two most recent issues, I don't pick it up. Because here in Portland, it's OK to wear what Hollywood vixens had on three months ago, but if you want to adopt a six-month-old look, you'd better head for the suburbs. So a couple nights ago, I found a still valid In Style magazine, and it had very, very good news. Sarah Jessica Parker and some other actress wore fish-net stockings! And In Style said it was OK! I should have known. They're are part of the current DKNY hosiery line -- that alone should have been sufficient justification. But here I had photographic evidence that fish-net stockings weren't just for sluts anymore. In Style, ever mindful of their followers' need for explicit direction, said to look for brands with a touch of lycra to avoid "sausage legs." Just after I bought them, I saw Dave Eggers guy. Well, practically everyone is Dave Eggers guy now. Everyone talks about the book, mentions it in their personals ads, puts it on the agenda for their reading groups. The only thing they don't seem to do is read it. Well, I haven't, anyway. I offered to show him my new shoes. "They're cute. What else did you buy?" "Oh, some fish-net stockings. It's OK to wear them now, you know." "I want to see." I started pulling them out of my bag. "No, I don't want to see them in the bag. That's just fabric. I want to see them ON," he said. "Well, I'm going to wear them tonight. Maybe you would see me if you went to Shanghai Tunnel." "Where's that?" "You've never been to Shanghai Tunnel? It's in Old Town. It used to be a shanghai tunnel." "What's a shanghai tunnel?" "Do you know what 'shanghai' means?" I asked in my most condescending voice. Guys love to be abused, or so I'd heard. "Yes, I know what 'shanghai' means. It means to be mugged, right?" "Yeah, sort of," I said generously. "It's more specific, though. It's when they used to get men really drunk, until they passed out, and then kidnap them and put them on boats to work as sailors, and they'd just sail away. This place is underground and there used to be passages to the waterfront." All he wanted was to see a hot chick in fishnets, and instead he was getting vocabulary and history lessons. Sometimes I like to think I can turn flirting into something like theatrical performance, get interesting and telling things said, but other times I think what's really going on is that I'm completely inept. I'm not liked for my charm but despite my lack of it. But he acted interested. It's a good story. I almost started telling him more about Portland of old, about the floating whorehouse and the haunted tavern and the iron hitching posts in the sidewalk a few blocks away. Maybe I would have if I had been wearing the stockings -- then I could have been sure he would have let me finish. I've been avoiding all situations in which someone could cut me off. I don't want to finish telling the fish-net story. There's no surprise ending. I wore them. They work. They drive men wild. But who would want to do a stupid thing like that?

cyst, will you show me the link to the page of your pictures? I know you posted it a bunch of times waybackwhen, but I have no idea where.

I'm sick of those old photos. I got two rolls of new ones back yesterday. I'm going to scan them in as soon as I hook up the scanner with the cords that are in my lap. here's one link: http://www.speakeasy.org/~tvc15/cyst I'm skinnier now.

I don't see how much skinnier you could get (Kiev photos). But ok...and if the cords are in your lap, does this mean we get a new installment of photos soon?

this doesn't seem to work, though it's supposed to: http://communities.msn.com/flagrantedelicto

oh. it does work. if you're bored, please look at the 10 photos in the corpus directory and tell me which you like best. I'm working on a little "art" project.

or there are these, which I haven't yet linked together -- http://www.geocities.com/demaquillant/flagrantedelicto.html http://www.geocities.com/demaquillant/flagrantedelicto2.html http://www.geocities.com/demaquillant/flagrantedelicto3.html

favorite Do you have any other lense other than a 50? Frame closer......otherwise good work. Has your hair really gotten that long or was that a wig?

wait, that MSN link bites.... this one is my fav

i like what patrick likes. i'm curious to know what kind of "art" project this is. i am, coincidentally, reading an article about the photographer cindy sherman - "I took a picture of myself just standing in a room of the apartment I shared with Robert, stark naked, like a a deer in headlights. After that, I did more pictures using my body, distorting it by weird angles. I guess that was the beginning of using myself."

that image amongst other in her "film still" collection are some of my most fav cindy sherman images........although thats a strange quote because i have never seen her do any nudity.... by the way cyst...not to completly wank on technical fodder but what kind of film did you use? brand and speed?

patrick: the one after the "film still" is an altered nude - a renaissance madonna done hollywood style.

i use "altered nude" and "renaissance madonna" like i now what the hell i'm talking about.

She looks like a cross-eyed version of that short chick who's on Saturday Night Live who always does the annoying cheerleader routine

all of the "nudes" she has done involve her using plastic bodies and various parts such as that. She has never revealed her own body. If you dig, i recommend this more of her stuff can be seen here

Patrick, she looks like the kid from Deliverance in your first link of 3:24 pm

crosseyed? dougiefresh, she is one of the greatest self protrait artists EVER, i have seen countless photos, hardly crosseyed.....she is a genius costume designer, ya betta recognize

thats the whole point, after you get done looking at that book Retrospective, it's unfucking believable that when she is not using dummies and manequins.. she is dressing her self up...she looks that way becasue that was intentional. she is the ultimate thrift shop whore, and this was back in the late 70s and early 80s

Yeah, in drippy's link/posting of 2:15, and your link/posting of 3:24, I say she's a) A cross-eyed Cheri Oteri b) The kid in Deliverance (with better hair and teeth)

according to *the new yorker*, she is also "friendly, warm, considerate and even-tempered - qualities that we do not ususally associate witha artistic ego...." and she occasionally dates steve martin.

i thought she was quite hilarious in Very Bad Things, when she popped in to offer the kid valium

Like the photo's, Cyst.

Yes, Cyst. They're very nice. My fav is the one Patrick linked to too.

i was looking at again, Most seem to agree with me, so i wanted to be sure. and I noticed.......that looks like a really neato top!!!! i bet it looks super from behind.....it reminds me of a beaded entrance, to something, not sure what, but perhaps i could leave that for you decide.

oh and another thing, i see that in this photo it's not actually your hair, but maybe a towel or jacket hanging, so disregard my previous inquiry as to your hair lenght.

I liked the ones on the third page, actually, but...I was looking at your old pictures the other day, I loved the ones from France...

Patrick, I'm not a photography buff, so forgive me if I seem boorish, but I looked at her stuff, and I was like, "Yeah? So? Greatest Self-Portrait Arist? I don't get it." Sorry, I still think she should title the first one, "Cross-eyed, laying on bed" and the 2nd, "Banjo Dreams."

I skimmed that cindy sherman article at lunch today. droopy, her older work is much more interesting. I love those elaborate sets she set up. patrick, the shots that don't look all texturized and fucked up were shot with kodak tmax 3200, 1/60, god, I don't know, somewhere around f8. the crappy ones were standard fujicolor 400. 1/60 and with the aperture wide open, probably. I scanned them in as b&w pictures. I don't especially like any of these photos, although I think I look great. I wasn't holding the camera still enough on the 400s; I wasn't doing anything to compensate for my lack of depth of field with the aperture so wide on the 400s; I wasn't framing my shots well; the background is way, way too busy. I have a couple more rolls, all more explicit, still at the developers. one's another roll of 3200, and the other is color fuji 1600. I think as I got sluttier, I also got more careful. that evening started off with me just wanting to polish off a roll of film. then I raided the refrigerator for the rest of what I had. I bought my first roll of c-41 b&w this weekend. I was totally suggestible and got the kodak select because the clerk said it was better than the ilford. hey, patrick, do you know if there are any c-41s faster than 400? and are they worth the convenience? I mean, for the dumb crap that I'm doing. true b&w costs so much.

oh, the art project is more like a _______ little present. what word would go there? what word would fit the analogy: pyrrhic is to victory as _______ is to gift? I bought a little photo album that must have been first purchased at a gift shop many, many years ago. it has a naugahyde cover, and it says "yellowstone park" and behind a little plastic cover there's a snapshot of a grizzly bear. the inside pages are black construction paper. I am going to fill them with selected prints of these 100+ photos I've taken. then I'm going to send it off to a friend, who won't know what to do with it. I'll tell him it's ok to throw them away, but he probably won't. it won't matter; I got doubles.

ostentatiously superfluous

stay away from c-41. it's crap film. only used it once and was thoroughly disgusted. I have no idea of the availability of it. you are better off with the tmax 3200 (my personal staple)....or tmax or triX 400. Now i usually push all of my films 1-2 stops (i.e. 3200 to 6400 for ULTRA SEXY grain and tmax OR trix 400 to 1600, 2 stop for ultra sexy grain) i always opt for faster film simply because i can use a higher aperture, and i am sure you have learned by now, anything below an 8 is rarely desireable. I never shoot below 8 if i don't have too or unless its intentional. your depth of field goes to shit.......your resolution can suffer. also, that allows me to shoot without flash, as you are doing, under dim lit situations. HOWever, if you are outdoors in full sun and are looking to try some inexpensive, but kick ass film, give AGFA Pan films a try. They are usually cheap, I get rolls of 36 for around $3 or so. Try the 25, 50, 100. The fifty is only made in europe so some stores may not have it. I always push these films one stop, (i.e. 25 to 50, 100 to 200 and so on) AFGA films have fine resolution and their slower films are stellar under sunlit conditions. however while i am wanking all this technical crap to make myself feel knowledgeable (thank you for askign a question)...if you push your films, you have to advise your lab how many stops. I assume you go to the regular joe labs on the corner......yes? if not GOOD, you really need a professional lab if you are going to start pushing your film.

which work are your referring to cyst, cindy sherman that is? her "Film Stills", the b&ws? If so, I agree....her color work and later work is a little more confrontational and unsettling, i think it's just as brilliant but her somewhat retro looking (even for the late 70s), b&w s are by far more fun to look at.

I'm always amazed at how good the pictures look from the disposable cameras. I got a disposable underwater camera for my trip to Baja, and the colors of the fish and reefs are really vivid.

yeah some of my photos on my site were takin with a $13 dollar plastic camera, such as this one it has a plastic lense, with only 4 distance settings, and a sun/no sun option it. total piece off shit but takes some neato photos

I got more back tonight. they were dropped off at the same time as the other, tamer roll, but they took four more days to get back from the lab. I wonder why. I wish I could take a good photo of my back. when I stretch, I can count every rib. but it's not gross, it's beautiful. I e-mailed some of the photos to a friend in california and he called me that night. he was very sweet. he said he liked them. "THANK YOU," he said. "they totally made my whole day." "oh really? what did you like about them?" "I look at these photos and I see a girl who really needs to be FUCKED. oh my god, you have perfect breasts. I've jacked off to that one once already today. if you were here, I would try to seduce you. what I want you to do is ride me. I want to play with your tits and see your beautiful face while you ... oh god ... I'm hurting myself. these pants." "please don't hurt yourself. hey, listen, I have to go." "yeah, me too. I'm supposed to go out to dinner in a few minutes, but I think I need to come again before I go. I can't go out like this. christ, these photos are incredible." "I'm really glad I could help. have a nice time. I'll talk to you later, ok? bye." I didn't really mind. I thought he would ask me to stay on the phone, but he didn't. I love when they keep that respectful distance.

Whoa. I'm not sure I'd be cool with the idea of someone masturbating to me several times a day. But whatever. Maybe this roll got shuffled to the bottom of a stack? You should have gotten doubles so you could send the extras to the lab...(Actually, Patrick correct me if I'm wrong), but I think they have big machines now and don't even see what they develop. Anway. You'll have to post this new roll.

they see it, someobody has to put it in the envelopes.

Yeah, I guess so hunh. Nevermind. I thought maybe they had a dispenser that popped it in the envelopes, but...anyway. It's more fun to think the lab drooled over them anyway. I remember in high school when a friend took a nude roll which I happened to be in and developed it in the high school darkroom...damn. I guess technically it wasn't very legal of us, but she said the photography class had really high attendance for a day or so. Hm. Anyway. That's a different case altogether.

I've had select prints taken from rolls I've had developed commercially. I've had doubles made of select photos in rolls I only asked for singles for. (apparently they forgot to retrieve them before they gave them to me.) I've had male friends pick up my photos for me and the clerk has told them to say hi to their friend for him. I've had friends who have worked at photo shops give me prints of weird photos they've come across. the photo people look.

i had sex photos made at the local quickie photo lab once. we went in, and said to the studious chinese lab guy, "these are sex photos ok?" he said "ya ya no problem , 1 hour!" he said it with such enthusiasm we should have been alarmed, then we thought, this guy has probably seen it all, so who gives a rats ass. there was never an issue.

There rarely is. I guess they get a kick out of it. The job might be kind of dull otherwise...