officially call the president a liar


sorabji.com: What do you want?: officially call the president a liar
THIS IS A READ-ONLY ARCHIVE FROM THE SORABJI.COM MESSAGE BOARDS (1995-2016).

By Rowlf on Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 06:47 pm:

    where is the Clintonism to get out of THIS one?




    March 18, 2003

    Dear Mr. Speaker: (Dear Mr. President:)

    Consistent with section 3(b) of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public Law 107-243), and based on information available to me, including that in the enclosed document, I determine that:

    (1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic and other peaceful means alone will neither (A) adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq nor (B) likely lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and

    (2) acting pursuant to the Constitution and Public Law 107-243 is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

    Sincerely,

    GEORGE W. BUSH

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030319-1.html


By Milquetoast on Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 05:49 pm:

    Easy. He doesn't claim that Iraq was involved with September 11, just that Iraq harbors some sort of terrorists. The location of "including" in the second clause creates two sets: before "including", the set of "international terrorists and terrorist organizations", which includes a smaller set, "those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001."


By Rowlf on Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 08:28 pm:

    Clintonisms. gotcha. thanks.


By Antigone on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 02:22 am:

    Hey, man, you can't expect the prez to verify everything he puts in front of congress in writing. That'd be too much...you know...work 'n' shit.


By Nate on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 03:22 am:

    can everything on these boards be traced back to a lack of reading comprehension?


By dave. on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 03:35 am:

    most everything.

    global comprehensive bankruptcy.

    chapter 11

    good times.


By Antigone on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 02:14 pm:

    Actually, now that Rowlf has posted a link to whitehouse.gov this board can be traced back from the justice department...


By Rowlf on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 06:34 pm:

    the point is there was a purposeful implicit connection to Saddam Hussein presented by Bush to the American people, and now, as shown above, you can see it was also to Congress, in order to get his authority to go to war.

    For months as I was pissing mad at the Democrats for voting this through, I watched as they said, consistently, that they had to vote it through if Saddam was involved with 9/11. If thats what they thought it meant, and the majority of the public thought that is what it meant, why is it the leader of the nation won't address this 'slight misconception' till months after the war has 'ended'?



    news you can only see across the sea:

    Journo claims proof of WMD lies
    By Paul Mulvey in London
    September 23, 2003

    AUSTRALIAN investigative journalist John Pilger says he has evidence the war against Iraq was based on a lie that could cost George W. Bush and Tony Blair their jobs and bring Prime Minister John Howard down with them.

    A television report by Pilger aired on British screens overnight said US Secretary of State Colin Powell and National Security Adviser Condoleeza Rice confirmed in early 2001 that Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein had been disarmed and was no threat.

    But after the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington on September 11 that year, Pilger claimed Rice said the US "must move to take advantage of these new opportunities" to attack Iraq and claim control of its oil.

    Pilger uncovered video footage of Powell in Cairo on February 24, 2001 saying, "He (Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbours."

    Two months later, Rice reportedly said, "We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt."

    Powell boasted this was because America's policy of containment and its sanctions had effectively disarmed Saddam.

    Pilger claims this confirms that the decision of US President George W Bush - with the full support of British Prime Minister Blair and Howard - to wage war on Saddam because he had weapons of mass destruction was a huge deception.

    Pilger interviewed several leading US government figures in Washington but said he did not ask Powell or Rice to respond to his claims.

    "I think it's very serious for Howard. Howard has followed the Americans and to a lesser degree Blair almost word for word," Pilger told AAP before his program was screened on ITV tonight.

    "All Howard does is say `well it's not true' and never explains himself.

    "I just don't believe you can be seen to be party to such a big lie, such a big deception and endure that politically.

    "It simply can't be shrugged off and that's Howard's response.

    "Blair has shrugged it off but Blair is deeply damaged. It's far from over here, there's a lot that is going to happen and much of it could wash onto Howard.

    "And it's unravelling in America and Bush could lose the election next year.

    "I've not seen political leaders survive when they've been complicit in such an open deception for so long."

    Howard last week dismissed an accusation from Opposition Leader Simon Crean that he hid a warning from British intelligence that war against Iraq would heighten the terrorist threat to Australia.

    In his report, Pilger interviews Ray McGovern, a former senior CIA officer and friend of Bush's father and ex-president, George Bush senior.

    McGovern told Pilger that going to war because of weapons of mass destruction "was 95 per cent charade."

    Pilger also claims that six hours after the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Centre, US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said he wanted to "hit" Iraq and allegedly said "Go Massive ... Sweep it all up. Things related and not."

    He was allegedly talked down by Powell who said the American people would not accept an attack on Iraq without any evidence, so they opted to invade Afghanistan where Osama bin Laden had bases.

    Pilger claimed war was set in train on September 17, 2001 when Bush signed a paper directing the Pentagon to explore the military options for an attack on Iraq.


By Rowlf on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 05:59 pm:

    No WMD in Iraq, source claims

    No weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq by the group looking for them, according to a Bush administration source who has spoken to the BBC.
    This will be the conclusion of the Iraq Survey Group's interim report, the source told the presenter of BBC television's Daily Politics show, Andrew Neil.

    Downing Street branded the story "speculation about an unfinished draft of an interim report".

    Mr Neil said the draft report - which the source said is due to be published next month - concludes that it is highly unlikely that weapons of mass destruction were shipped out of the country to places like Syria before the US-led war on Iraq.

    It will also say that Saddam Hussein mounted a huge programme to deceive and hinder the work of United Nations weapons inspectors, he said.

    Mr Neil said that according to the source, the report will say its inspectors have not even unearthed "minute amounts of nuclear, chemical or biological weapons material".

    They have also not uncovered any laboratories involved in deploying weapons of mass destruction and no delivery systems for the weapons.

    But, Mr Neil added, the report would publish computer programmes, files, pictures and paperwork which it says shows that Saddam Hussein's regime was attempting to develop a weapons of mass destruction programme.

    CIA spokesman Bill Harlow told the Reuters news agency he expected the report would "reach no firm conclusions, nor will it rule anything in or out".

    Reuters also quoted a senior US official as saying the Iraq Survey Group (ISG) was expected to report finding "documentary evidence" that Iraq had chemical and biological weapons programmes.

    "Whether they will find or disclose anything on the weapons themselves, I doubt," said the official.

    'Savage blow'

    UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said: "This is speculation on an as yet unpublished report.

    "I await the report eagerly from Mr Kay (head of the survey group), as does the international community."

    Mr Straw argued that the whole international community had agreed Iraq's weapons programmes had posed - the issue had been what to do about it.

    People did not need the ISG report for evidence of that threat, he said. It was already shown in volumes of reports from UN inspectors.

    A Number 10 spokesman said "we don't have this text", but asked if the prime minister had seem the report, remarked: "We are not going into details of process."

    Mr Neil, a former editor of the Sunday Times, stressed he had not seen the draft report, and was reporting what a single source had said its findings were likely to be.

    He said the report was still to be finalised and could undergo some changes, but the source had been told the content of some key passages which were not expected to be substantively altered.

    Former Conservative cabinet minister Michael Portillo said if these details of the report were true, it would be a "savage blow" to the prime minister.

    'Fake facilities'

    The inspectors have uncovered no evidence that any weapons were actually built in the immediate years before the war, the leak of the report suggests.

    It is alleged that Saddam Hussein's programme of deception involved fake facilities and infrastructure to deceive and hinder the work of UN weapons inspectors

    Documents have been uncovered showing weapons facilities were concealed as commercial buildings, the report is likely to say.

    The ISG took over the job of finding WMD from the US military in June.

    The survey group, led by David Kay, a former UN weapons inspector and now a special adviser to the CIA, is a largely US operation, although it includes some British and Australian staff.

    Its 1,400 personnel are made up of scientists, military and intelligence experts, and its work is shrouded in secrecy.

    Its focus is intelligence, using documents and interviews with Iraqi scientists to build up a picture of the secret world of Iraq's weapons programmes.

    The survey group has been under pressure to prove the Bush administration's case that Iraq's weapons posed a significant threat.

    Gary Samor, of the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London, recently told the BBC that UN inspection teams should have been sent back into Iraq as there would be much scepticism about the ISG's findings.




By patrick on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 06:14 pm:

    which makes Bush's justification speech yesterday at the UN bullshit.


    Liar liar liar liar liar.


    Where's my grand jury? where's my fuckin kenn starr god dammit?

    I want this motherfucker in front of congress under oath. the entire senior administration should be under indictment for their UnConstitutional crimes.


    god dammit why is no one rioting over this shit.










    oh right....a new Who Wants To Marry a Millionaire is on.


By Rowlf on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 06:29 pm:

    Not only that, I think Bush should take an SAT live on national television.


bbs.sorabji.com
 

The Stalking Post: General goddam chit-chat Every 3 seconds: Sex . Can men and women just be friends? . Dreamland . Insomnia . Are you stoned? . What are you eating? I need advice: Can you help? . Reasons to be cheerful . Days and nights . Words . Are there any news? Wishful thinking: Have you ever... . I wish you were... . Why I oughta... Is it art?: This question seems to come up quite often around here. Weeds: Things that, if erased from our cultural memory forever, would be no great loss Surfwatch: Where did you go on the 'net today? What are you listening to?: Worst music you've ever heard . What song or tune is going through your head right now? . Obscure composers . Obscure Jazz, 1890-1950 . Whatever, whenever General Questions: Do you have any regrets? . Who are you? . Where are you? . What are you doing here? . What have you done? . Why did you do it? . What have you failed to do? . What are you wearing? . What do you want? . How do you do? . What do you want to do today? . Are you stupid? Specific Questions: What is the cruelest thing you ever did? . Have you ever been lonely? . Have you ever gone hungry? . Are you pissed off? . When is the last time you had sex? . What does it look like where you are? . What are you afraid of? . Do you love me? . What is your definition of Heaven? . What is your definition of Hell? Movies: Last movie you saw . Worst movie you ever saw . Best movie you ever saw Reading: Best book you've ever read . Worst book you've ever read . Last book you read Drunken ramblings: uiphgy8 hxbjf.bklf ghw789- bncgjkvhnqwb=8[ . Payphones: Payphone Project BBS
 

sorabji.com . torturechamber . px.sorabji.com . receipts . contact