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It seems like a great excuse to get 200 police officers into the building, ya? Remember that Germany was a staging area for many of the 9/11 terrorists. Many "ifs" here, but if there were any connection between 9/11 and Iraq, and if that connection touched on Germany, evidence of it could be in the embassy. So, how does one search for that evidence on sovereign Iraqi soil? Massive distraction. Occupy the embassy staff. Disable the security system. Put lots of bodies in the building. |
they say that the majority of Americans support the impending war on Iraq. Who are these people? Are these the same majority who make up the approval rating for President Dumbass? Anyone here support this idea of war on Iraq. (yes im derailing your thread) |
Derail all you want. I was just throwing an idea out there. |
im giving this is as much consideration as i did the idea that our government shot flight 93, concocted some bullshit "Lets Roll" (fuckers we're listening to Neil Young when they came up with that one) propaganda, get us worked up into some sentimental cripcrap to cover for the fact that some f-15s whirled some AMRAAMs up that hijacked planes' collective asshole. are you saying its impossible flight 93 was shot down? |
Forget about it. |
(i offer no opinions on any of these, as I have barely glanced at them yet, i promise to look more thoroughly at som elater date, or not) alos I apologize again for having to C&P. make sure to delete the extra space that gets added or it doesn't work when you paste into your address bar. version of "No hijack idea" http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/ messengerenemy.html http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ steveseymour/ lies911/lies.htm globalhawk at WTC: http:// www.cyberspaceorbit.com/ analysis_wtc.html Pentagon follies: http:// www.conspiracyplanet.com/ channel.cfm?channelid=101&contentid=483& page=2 |
oh tiggy you're so silly. i SAID i thought your idea a good one. what you want me to come stroke your ass too? one day, it will come out flight 93 was shot down...one day. some good ideas in this article |
aware of how you express your opinions. |
what exactly in this thread, in how ive expressed my opinion, is ANY different than how someone else might express their opinion at any given time on this board? In fact almost all of what i have said here has been just as much tongue-n-cheek as it has editorial. and thanks for the advice, my child will be fully aware that his/her papa is a crackpot. i sometimes lookforward to being a raving old fuck off his rocker. i still say #93 was shot down. |
For once, we have something in common. Seriously, ask Eri. I am trying to decide to put my ideas into this thread or not... |
An interesting read for anyone interested in Journalism. For those not interested in reading that much stuff here are a few highlights: "“Reporters are interested in the extremes – the doom and gloom of war on one hand, and surfing goat stories on the other. Nothing much in between gets any consideration.” There was little interest, he said, when he suggested a story about women teachers – regularly beaten up by the Taliban when caught teaching at home – who were now working for no pay to bring two million children back into full time education. " "Carmen Pedrosa, the veteran Philippines columnist, was fatalistic. “You have to accept that American influence is so strong in my country and stories involving the US are given much greater prominence than anything else – the government has been very critical of journalists who didn’t give their full support to the war against terrorism, for instance.” And she pointed out that there are other, far more alarming pressures on Filipino journalists than the disapproval of government. “If you do a story about someone that isn’t entirely favourable, they might just come in and shoot you – we have one of the highest death rates among journalists in the world, and most of the killings happen on our own soil.”" "There may be little even the safety industry can do about such random murders, but in Hostile Environments – Must Journalists Die?" ": “If anyone who claims the US media didn’t censor itself is kidding you. It wasn’t a matter of government pressure but a reluctance to criticise anything in a war that was obviously supported by the vast majority of the people. “And this isn’t just a CNN issue – every journalist in this room who was in any way involved in 9-11 is partly responsible.” Uechtritz added ruefully: “We now know for certain that only three things in life are certain – death, taxes and the fact the military are lying bastards.”" " “There were 3,500 reporters in Afghanistan – many of them freelances pushing harder than they should for a story. Where was their safety training? Were they properly insured? Absolutely not.”" "An Italian woman journalist was shot dead by Taliban fighters, he said, after getting out of a car wearing no head cover, in skin tight jeans, smoking a cigarette on a Friday - the holiest day of the week. " "“The reporter might be able to get away with all sorts of things, but what about his driver, his local fixer and their families? We have a collective responsibility to ensure that those people aren’t exposed to dangers we can walk away from, but they can’t.” " |
Sure, they make some interesting points. But basically it's navel-gazers sitting around in a room pontificating. |
Wouldn't be surprised if they had a tip-off that Bin Laden or other high-ranking terrorist was in the embassy. Hey, I just noticed that embassy ends in "assy". Anyway, wasn't Atta recruited in Germany? |
I want primetime footage of former UN Weapons inspector Scott Ritter who testified yesterday: "Their weapons programs have been eliminated, Iraq poses no threat to any of its neighbors. It does not threaten its region. It does not threaten the United States. It does not threaten the world." This guy should know, shouldnt he? I seem to be harping by myself but.. Sometimes Trace, i have this wild idea of seeing your supreme boss Rumsfield barking his warmonger head off, rattling off shit he has no idea about, rattling his sabre and then seeing this giant ax ala monty python style just come and chop his head off. Where's the opposition? Where's the antiwar protest? Why is no one up in arms in this country? Lackidaisical fucks |
If Scott Ritter is a "former" UN Weapons inspector how could he testify on thier capability today???? |
They are a well respected survey organization, i generally regard their research as notable. Scott Ritter is more qualified on the subject than Rumsfield thats for god damn sure. His background is in military intelligence, he was on the ground in Iraq. If the US had proof that Saddam has weapons of mass destruction don't you think they would be parading it for the world in order to get this war on? |
I am not debating his back ground, however... Rumsfeld, my well educated friend, has also been on the ground in Iraq. As well as Powell, Bush 41,Bush 43, Kissinger, most of the guys at the Pentagon, etc etc etc. |
Yes, that Scott Ritter, who goes points out: "Unfortunately, on-site inspections have been tossed into the garbage heap by those U.S. policy-makers who seek not the disarmament of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction but rather the removal of Iraq’s president" Like i said, if Saddam has weapons of mass destruction, where's the proof? Why all this sabre rattling when there is no proof? Why all this war mongering when there is no emminent threat to the US or even US interests? Surely you arent buying this bullshit from the Whitehouse about how its in the "world's best interest" that he be removed are you? |
But the world had to wait for proof then as well. How about for Iraq's best interests? The only proof that the UN or most of the EU is willing to accept would be if Saddam himself walked them, holding their hands, to the shit. |
Last I checked Iraq is still a sovereign nation recognized by the UN and the rest of the world as such. The UN and EU bought our proof that Osama was responsible for 9/11 didnt they? Even NATO doesnt support going after Iraq. |
Whatever he is up to, you will not see any evidence of it for about a year. Maybe longer. But in this world we have to wait until someone slams a plane into a building before anyone decides to do anything about it. There is about the same amount of evidence that Iraq is up to something as there was about the terrorist attacks on 9/11. This nation has been in a fury over the fact that the government did not connect the dots and stop it. But what choice are we left with today? Arrest 19+ people for a conspiracy charge? Oh, think of the fights we would have had over that. We have, with Padilla. Maybe we should have waited until we saw the suspect's planes they were in completely off thier routes, then scrambled jets and blew them out of the sky? Imagine the outcry that would have caused. They would say either we were acting pre-maturely, or why did we not arrest them before they got on the plane? Double edge sword. So the sad truth is that the Politcally Correct respone is to let hundreds of people die before you say you have enough evidence. And even then, you must try to negotiate some treaty before you try anything at all. |
When they have evidence, present it before Congress and the UN, i will be content. Trace do you know what Tonkin Bay was? Do you know the significance? The uproar over 9/11 was the fact that the bureaucracy and general ineptitude of some of our leaders prevented the dots from being connected and thereby acting. Others are in an uproar because they think our government intentionally didnt do anything for various reasons. 9/11 was an attack on the US on our own soil. you can't compare the situation in Iraq to that. Iraq poses no threat to the US or US citizens what so ever. Iraq is about attacking a sovereign nation on their soil unprovoked. You tell me, what exactly is American about attacking Iraq unprovoked trace? and stuff it with the political correct nonsense. I know rush likes to shove that down your throat as an excuse when anyone might question the sanity of the conservative, warmongering right, but this has nothing to do with policitcal correctness and everything to do with behaving like Americans and not launching unjust pain and suffering on the world simply because we can (or junior wants to please papa with revenge) |
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start with that and we'll go from there. |
But the world had to wait for proof then as well." And remember kids, the US didn't bother to get into that little fray till we were actually attacked. Europe was being swept while the US sent love notes saying "Good luck!" Also, re: "It was reported recently on NPR that a recent Pew Research Poll that approx 60% of Americans support an attack on Iraq and that well over 50% of them support it, even if our allies don't." The best part is these numbers drop sharply off when the question is changed to 'Do you support an attack on Iraq if there are US casualties and we use ground troops'. The idea that Americans think a war can be waged with no endangerment of American lives is naive and distressing. Without the allies we are looking at a very dangerous situation. To my mind this impending war (and gee, what a sneak attack we're doing, talking about 'will we won't we' all the time in the media) shows just how far Bush will go to try to get people to not notice the entire US economy is falling apart and he hasn't the faintest clue or smallest interest in fixing it. |
and i don't think he meant because we saved the all the good people from the tyranny of evil minds. polls are bunk because the american people are too stupid to know what is good for them. war with iraq is coming, there is nothing we can do about it. the purpose of the war is not to remove the sodamizer. the purpose of the war is to flex our hegemeny. flex it, baby. we're the best. no one can stand up against us. we could take on the EU, China, Russia. anyone. come and get us, fuckos. we'll knock your tardass into the stoneage. |
as John Stuart put it, he almost wants you to come kick him in the balls or stomach to show you he can take it and deliver it back 10 fold. "And remember kids, the US didn't bother to get into that little fray till we were actually attacked. Europe was being swept while the US sent love notes saying "Good luck!" not exactly. i mean there were bombs, guns amo and other supplies attached to those little love notes. |
get it folks? |
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I suppose this is why we put Japanese Americans in internment camps while letting German Americans run wild during WWII |
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The almight Ritter is at it again! |
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Because it is only the radical left who care about a 29+ year old man trying to seduce 14 and 16 year old girls, right? |
Here is a news article on it. (Cut and paste. THe URL has commas.) Look at the sources of the news article: Anonymous "published reports," an assistant district attorney who was fired and has no telephone directory listing whom they could not contact, and a district attorney who said, "I can't comment on any sealed case." Hmmmm...seems awfully newsworthy to me. Open and shut. I'm suprised Drudge didn't break the story first. |
It's usually just a 30 second clip, but it does not matter who the suspect is, they report it anyway. I personally have always thought it was an invasion of privacy to publish names and employers of offenders. In Clinton Missouri, the most popular fm rock station gave a morning report of all court cases that were tried before, the names, what they were accused of, and the verdict. Sometimes comments added in... |
Who cares? |
Him getting money from Saddam, now that has a lot to do with his credibility as a weapons inspector. He is the ONLY American to address the Iraqi Senate. |
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fucking traitors. they we're probably following up the delivery spores for anthrax that we sold him. |
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"Him getting money from Saddam, now that has a lot to do with his credibility as a weapons inspector." Back it up with facts, bitch! |
Trust me, if the right wing had evidence about him taking money from Iraq, it would be big news. This is why they are going the "pedophile" character assassination route. ASMAN: That's why people, when they see you in Iraq with these Iraqi government officials, they wonder what the heck is going on. RITTER: I went to Iraq on my own initiative. I made the decision to approach and say I think it is time for me to deliver a message to the Iraqi government that if they don't allow ... ASMAN: Paid for out of your own pocket? RITTER: Hell, yes. Or by an anti-sanctions group in the case of South Africa, they didn't spend a single damn penny. I wouldn't accept their money, it is against the law. ASMAN: Some people say that some of this money has come from Iraqi-Americans, there's one Iraqi-American in particular, who is perhaps not pro-Saddam but at least people say he's against the U.S. position towards Iraq, that that in itself kind ... of [proves that] Iraq is giving people money to do their bidding. RITTER: ... He's a Detroit-based American businessman. An American citizen. He has family in Iraq. People have to put this in perspective. They are looking death and destruction in the face. You can't blame a guy that is trying to prevent a war. ASMAN: He has no contact whatsoever with anybody in the Iraqi government? RITTER: I didn't say that. How do you think I got the government with him? He can get me the audience. I take advantage. ... I am waging peace in the same way other people wage war -- I am trying to stop a war that doesn't need to be fought. This is not anti-American. [Unintelligible] ... put my life on the line for my country. And I would do so again if the cause is just, if the cause is founded. If there is a threat worth dying for, make the case, Mr. Bush. And I will support your war with Iraq to the hilt. But until you make that case, all we have is speculative rhetoric and that is not justification. ASMAN: We have clear rhetoric coming from Iraq. Arabs have the duty to attack and kill Americans even on U.S. soil. They are saying that. The vice president said it this week. Don't you think they are the enemy? RITTER: The situation that's evolving there's definitely an atmosphere of conflict between us and -- United States and Iraq. I'm not going to defend a damn word they say. ASMAN: You're taking money from a guy affiliated from the foreign minister/deputy prime minister. RITTER: I'm not taking any money. It's not going into my pocket. ASMAN: They paid for the trip to Iraq. RITTER: It was paid for by the Public Institute of Accuracy. |