Guess I shoulda put this under the Sex boards. But they're pretty full. God praise The Web/which allows my broke ass to read 5 major newspapers per day for free! ------------------------------------------------- RISK OF AIDS FROM ORAL SEX IS CONFIRMED By Richard A. Knox, Globe Staff, 2/2/2000 The risk of transmitting the AIDS virus through oral sex is higher than experts previously thought, according to a government-funded study unveiled yesterday. About 8 percent of a group of 102 gay and bisexual men acquired the human immunodeficiency virus through oral-genital contact, researchers found - four to eight times higher than many scientists believed. Moreover, that is probably an underestimate of the risk, one federal health official said. ''I think that 8 percent number caught a lot of people by surprise,'' Dr. Ronald Valdiserri of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said in an interview. ''A substantial minority of newly infected men were infected by this route.'' ''We're surprised but not shocked,'' said Jeff Jacobs of AIDS Action, a Washington-based lobbying group. ''I think this will be news in the AIDS community, and I think it should be news in the community.'' While earlier research suggested that HIV transmission was possible during oral sex, the new study is the strongest evidence that it actually occurs at a significant rate, at least among gay and bisexual men. There is no reason, Valdiserri said, that women who engage in oral sex with HIV-infected men are not also at significant risk. In fact, the findings have public health significance for teenagers and young adults of both sexes who are becoming sexually active, who may have assumed that oral sex poses no risk of AIDS. ''Not just gay men have oral sex,'' Valdiserri said. ''We need to be sure that young people, many of whom practice oral sex as an alternative to vaginal sex, need to understand there's a risk here.'' Oral transmission of HIV does not require that a person have open sores or bleeding gums, the CDC official said. ''The virus is found not just in semen but in preejaculate,'' Valdiserri said. ''And someone need not have grossly bleeding gums. Tiny nicks and abrasions probably could give a portal of entry to the virus.'' -------------------------------------------------- The read the complete article/or to make sure I'm not just making this up/you can check out today's Boston Globe here: http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/033/nation/Risk_of_AIDS_from_oral_sex_is_confirmed+.shtml So, be careful out there.

man. that's so dissapointing.

not to try to undermine any safer sex practices, but this study should be taken with a grain of salt: 1) 102 men is a small sample. 2) the 102 men are all from SF (where there is an elevated percentage of HIV positive gay males) 3) the percentage who aquired HIV via oral sex is higher than expected largely because HIV prevention is WORKING. less people are aquiring HIV because of lack of condom usage, so the percentage of those who aquire via oral rises though actual # of cases does not (necessarily.) 4) as un PC as this may sound, in the white population HIV is and has always been largely a gay man's disease. by the numbers. that said, the risk is still there. use a condom. even when going down. damnit.

i would not suck a cock if it's covered in latex.

if only peanut butter could help prevent STDs...

i have always thought that would be really weird.....coking sucking and latex.....

Quick! Invest in flavored condoms! Maybe add nicotine to them as well. Might as well make good sexual behavior addictive, right?

Have you ever tasted those things? *spits* Jesus. More disgusting than semen, let me tell you. I don't understand how they remain on the market. I would rather eat small furry animals alive and screaming than taste that latex again.

Well, I know that, the idea is to make them actually taste good. Maybe get Ben and Jerry involved somehow.

peanut butter cup flavored condoms. chocolate fudge brownie flavored condoms. chunky monkey... ? but they'd have to be made out of ice cream, not latex. otherwise, no suckie.

Hey, if Linda Tripp can practically get a head transplant/& they've already invented candie panties/ someone will com up w/flavored condoms that don't taste like latex. There's a new project for you, Nate!

Or maybe spray some Fabreze on the condom, and VOILA!

I'd suck the chunky monkey

ok. where the fuck is chordata? we need a line into Ben & Jerry's. Jesus... B&J's BJ aids... this could be big. "Straight men go gay for B&J's BJ aids"

ROFL WavyGravy... *GULP*

The guy or the flavor? Just asking.

How about that stuff with little cows...Bovinity Divinity? Just imagine...little condoms with chocolate covered cows you could eat off...Almost like whipped cream/M&M kind of deal. Anyway.

two words . . . Fudge Dipped. Hehehehehehe

One of the counselors I was supervising about eleven years ago accompanied me to a workshop on the then new topic of HIV virus. A rather rotund middle aged female presenter was seriously and rather boringly extolling the virtues of using yes, that wonderful non-latex no-taste-to-it plastic "saran wrap" in fellatio and cunninguluuss-n-them-too..when my fellow employee blurted out, "Lady, that's like trying to eat a sandwich through the baggie." The workshop lightened up a little after that. Do they have flavored saran wrap, a multipurpose kitchen necessity, or glow in the dark kind I wonder...

P.S. I live in Missouri and *new* products always reach us last it seems...

Markus: the flavor.. THE FLAVOR!!! Daniel: don't the preverbial they make flavored dental dams?

Damn! that flavored Wrap, for a taste that can't be beat Damn! that glistening flash for midnight flossing that lasts and lasts... Damn! those dental freaks sticking their tongues in flavored cheeks Damn! saran saran! saran ! saran! Wrap 'em up where ever they meet... And I gotta say, The Box Says: "clings where other wraps only want to..." "retains oven freshness of baked goods" "keeps tasty morsels fresher, longer" "keeps paint brushes from drying out and tools from rusting" "with a push and lock tab at each end" "caution: keep all plastic bags out of the reach of small children"

Is there any more offputting phrase than dental dam?

Ummmmm. Twat licker?

the words "dental" and "oral sex" should never be used in the same sentence. ooops.

We use dental dam at work. They don't let anyone other than dentists order it in sheets of larger than three inches, so we have to order it through a dentist. It's kind of a pain. What I want to know is: what happened to cause them to decide that?

what i want to know is: where do you work?

Do you really want to know? Actually, we don't use dental dam for anything dirty. We use it for packing on our Chandler and Price, because it's the perfect substance for that particular press. It gives us a nice, crisp impression and isn't hard on the type, which is hard to get with a little handpress like that one, especially since I restored it, so it's not really in "origional condition." and the stuff is cheaper than any other packing like it. And I work for a letterpress printer and graphic designer when I'm not at the theatre.

isolde, i just got a chandler and price. thanks for the tip.

i have said it before...i am so glad i am married...no saran wrapped cock for me......jesus christ...that would suck

Patrick: you're a doll. you crack me up.

thats WAS indeed funny, and unintentional too. When i hit the post button, it dawned on me..... should the worst ever happen and my wife and i split. I can't imagine going through the dating crap...as detailed in all it's follies and illogic here at sorabji (much less my own experiences here in lalaland), then when you do finally secure the sex part, you gotta go wrapping yer jimmy up in kitchen aids and call it stimulation. On a side note, i always had a hard time with condoms (get it..."hard.." oh man!)....so perhaps i have stigma....

hey i thought i posted something...anyway, here i go again patrick, i just want to say that that happy marriage stuff is really cool

well, aside from the fact that I am told that alot, and thats sweet of you, but think of it.....maybe i am spoiled...i only had two other fucks before my wife......condoms were involved, they suck, they broke, and they even prevented at times...fuck that! i know its good thing for the folks who move around.......but fucking-a, to suck some one with saran wrap or a condom, thats dismal......

hmm...guess this is going to sound odd, but i still use condoms. i've used them since i was in my early teens & have no real plans to stop. maybe after menopause, i'd consider ditching them. but it's better than than facing the risks associated w/ other forms of birth control & it's better than spreading disease. & i don't really know, outside of getting raped, what it feels like to have a guy NOT using a condom. bottom line: rubbers aren't that fucking bad. in all my years of chasing ass, i've never had a guy not get off because of a rubber--although i've met a lot of dopes who won't carry the damn things, which is why i always do. never know when they'll come in handy. the whole oral condom thing is kinda funny...had a friend from the UK visit here & leave some weird flavored oral condoms. they were flavored like various food & alcohol. i'd never considered the possibility of whiskey-flavored condoms before. around here, the stores just carry the boring old mint ones.

Whiskey flavored!!....gawddammit!!!

Back i Appalachia, me n ma sister we'd take a big jar o chunky monkey A & P Brand Penis Butter, some lemon crawdad flavored jello saran wrap, and a crock o daddie's best shine 'fore skin wood hit the wall, y'all know, right next that man in da boat thingie came alive, o gee golly whut fun we'd have! niver worried bout no damn diseases when ya keep it all in the family. We all funny anyhow. Like y'all.