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actually, i guess it's the local utilities that should be doing this. we'll see how many days the federal gov't will let california and other states sit in the dark before they step in and cap those prices. i would guess not too long. capitalism works on the theory that whatever people will pay for something is how much that thing is worth. what frustrates me about all of this is that they're not doing anything to us that we aren't letting them do. i hope california sues like a motherfucker for all this. |
this seems to indicate that a short supply situation could be occuring. the way the market is set up, this shortage is not passed to the consumer. this causes the supply become more damaged and the crisis to escalate. this is not a free market. i think i've been mostly swayed to your side, though, dave. i don't think energy should be a free market commodity. |
i'm not anti-profit. 5, 10, 20 percent is fine. whatever will cover costs + inflation, maintains an account that covers contingencies and another account that funds development. i'm cool with that. it scares me, nate, when you agree with me on things fiscal. |
charging more as supply is reduced (== demand is higher) will help curb the demand. if you don't have price as a demand reducer, there needs to be some artificial incentive for people to conserve. as it is, plenty of folks are still running their air conditioners rather than have an 80 degree house. blackouts are bad. bad for the economy, bad for hospitals, bad for the environment. |
except for crimson, people are still smoking even though the price of smokes has gone way up. if you have a situation where the demand for smokes is, say, 100,000,000 a month but the manufacturers can only provide 75,000,000 a month, people will adjust their consumption to a level where they're not having to go the last week of the month without. at least until more tobacco can be grown. it might take a couple of months for them to figure it out but they will figure it out. |
usage in california has gone down, as have the prices. |
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what angers me is the irreverence by Bush & Co. as they say, California sneezes, the rest of the country sniffles. Being the largest economy in the US...what happens to us leaks to you. I'm glad Bush & Co. are giving us some money back from taxes....so I can pay for the higher gas and energy prices. That was a beautiful trick wasnt it. Basically we are laundering money for Bush & Co. |
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explain again why the tax rebates are bad? i mean, aside from that's what the liberal rags tell you. |
He did not want to do the tax rebate thing because he was afraid that the tax payers would not spend it wisely |
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i didnt say they were bad. the tax rebates are good. it will allow me to pay the higher energy costs i may incure this summer. bush gives us money back we pay more energy costs most of california's energy dollars go to Texas lots of Texas energy companies support Bush. i mean...is this not clear to you? we are laundering money for Bush. |
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I went broke catching up the gas bill last month, next month it will be the electricity, as long as I can keep it on.... Really, they have quadrupled. I am taking the family on vacation this fall with the money. Otherwise I could not do it |
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the democrat who recently lost his mayorial bid here was head of the assembly at the time...Antonio Villarigosia. I know it was a mixed motion. But Bush and Cheney are acting like its not their problem, when it is... Even some moderate republicans are saying price caps are worth considering, because the energy corporations are out of control. The California utilities ceased to BE california utilities after deregualtion...and came under control of out of state corporations. So it's not necessarily the utilities fault, they were following the guidelines established by the messed up deregulation. Blame rest soley on the politicians for getting us into the mess, and failing to end it. |
and bush and cheney are morons. |