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By
pamela on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 11:09 pm:

    I received the following email from a friend. I was born in '79 and I had heard that Jane Fonda was a traitor, but I never knew why until now. I don't see what the big deal is over her, she's a tweaker and a major bitch. She's a complete spaz. I really don't like her. Why would anyone think she's one of the greatest women in the last 100 years? I don't get it.

    I'm sure none of you had such sheltered lives like me, so this won't be news to you, but I just couldn't believe it.

    here's the email:

    <<This is for all the kids born in the 70's that do not remember this, and didn't have to bear the burden, that our fathers, mothers, and older brothers and sisters had to bear. Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the "100 Women of the Century." Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country but specific men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam.

    The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1978, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison-the "Hanoi Hilton." Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJs, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American "Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane treatment" he'd received. He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and dragged away.

    During the subsequent beating, he fell forward upon the camp Commandant's feet, which sent that officer berserk. In '78, the AF Col. still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying days) from the Vietnamese Col.'s frenzied application of a wooden baton. From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4Es). He spent 6 years in the "Hilton"- the first three of which he was "missing in action". His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His
    group, too, got the cleaned, fed, clothed routine in preparation for a "peace delegation" visit.

    They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his SSN on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?" Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper.

    She took them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him the little pile of papers. Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Col. Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know about her actions that day.

    I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held for over 5 years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one year in a cage in Cambodia, and one year in a "black box" in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border. At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs.) We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."

    When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, the camp communist political officer asked me if I would be willing to meet with Jane Fonda. I said yes, for I would like to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by Jane Fonda, as "humane and lenient." Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a large amount of steel placed on my hands, and beaten with a
    bamboo cane till my arms dipped.

    I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She did not answer me.

    This does not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of "100 Years of Great Women." Lest we forget..."100 years of great women" should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots. There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them.

    Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can. It will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that we will never forget.>>


By patrick on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 11:46 am:

    all chain emails are bogus and worthy of nothing more than the delete command.

    you've been made the fool.


By droopy on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 12:42 pm:

    when i was 9, i convinced my mother to take me and my sister to see "barbarella" at the little local theater. it had that nice jane fonda in it and the poster kind of looked like star wars (this was in '76) so how bad could it be? when we got to the theater, the whole place was filled with sweaty dock workers and i think my mother was the only woman and we were the only children. (this was in r.i. in a bay town and this theater doubled as the site of the annual wrist-wrestling contest.) the movie opens with jane fonda doing a zero-gravity striptease. the evil duran duran tried to kill her with sexual ecstasy, but she only wanted more.

    i learned a lot from jane fonda.


By eri on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 01:39 pm:

    I was born in 74' and always knew of her as "Jane I love Hanoi Fonda". This is all stuff I have heard before and is nothing new to me. All of the men in my family (who were adults at the time) served in the Vietnam War. My father was the only one who didn't actually go over to Vietnam. My uncle served two tours of duty out there in the jungle. I have had many friends who were prisoners in P.O.W. camps and seen how it still effects their lives 20 years later. I get very upset when it comes to the Vietnam War in general. I get upset to think of the people protesting not against the war, but spitting on the people who served in that war. I don't think we had any business getting involved in that war, but on the same token, I refuse to negate those who put their lives on the line and went out there.

    What memories do I have of Jane Fonda, well not ones that I would like to. I believe that she has blood on her hands. I have seen her ask for forgiveness, but I think about the children who lost their fathers because of her, and I know I am not ready to forgive yet.


By droop on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 01:58 pm:

    my dad served in vietnam. his first night home in a comfortable bed after miserable war-torn 'nam, i threw up on him (we just had one bed, mom, dad, and me.) it might've had something to do with the fact that for the first few years after coming home he'd have nightmares and make air-raid siren noises. he loves to tell that story. about the vomiting.


By eri on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 02:56 pm:

    My Dad stayed state side and did mechanical work on the planes. Never got any real war stories from him. My uncle was a radio operator out there in the jungle areas, and I have heard stories of having to hunt snakes and cook snake for dinner. I have seen a couple of the artifacts he sent home for my grandparents. It was interesting. It was scary.


By Spider on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 04:30 pm:

    "it might've had something to do with the fact that for the first few years after coming home he'd have nightmares and make air-raid siren noises."

    Why would that induce vomiting?


By Cat on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 04:36 pm:

    I read a newspaper story about that Jane Fonda chain letter ages ago. It's all a hoax or so the story said.

    I wanna go to Hanoi.


By drpy on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 04:40 pm:

    that was my mother's explanation. there was such tension when he got home. the war had changed him. the direction of his life had changed. i had picked up on all that tension. remember, she was a psych major.


By eri on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 05:09 pm:

    I wouldn't doubt that some of it is sensationalized and made up, but I heard a lot of this stuff prior to these chain letters. Somewhere there is some fact involved. She was in Hanoi several times and spent a lot of time on the television when she was, but what happened or what she said or did specifically, I don't know.


By Antigone on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 05:14 pm:

    Hanoitard.


By Antigone on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 05:17 pm:

    And, to stay on topic, here's a little truth.


By Cat on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 05:25 pm:

    I always figured you for a premature topic ejeculator.


By Antigone on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 05:43 pm:

    Better than being a prefrontal logic emasculator.


By Dougie on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 06:39 pm:

    What's old Jane doing nowadays? She gave up on Ted, quit acting, quit doing her aerobics vids. Not that I ever thought she was any great shakes as an actress, although I do love On Golden Pond (Henry Fonda cracks me up in that movie -- reminds me of my gramps on my dad's side).


By eri on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 08:06 pm:

    I still do the aerobics workout. Can't find any others that lean me up without bulking me up.

    On Golden Pond bored me. Like Henry's daughter as an actress. Most of what she does makes me laugh.


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