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so its safety you want, safety you get |
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I cracked up when mom actually said its great, we can tow the boat and get to the beach and back on one tank of gas!!!! Its a 2 hour drive from Raleigh to Wilmington. I could make that drive 3 times on one tank. My mom's attitude is "can't beat em, join em" which is negligent in my mind. But you can only push so far with this kind of shit. I just love the editor's attitude of pressing safety, and the comparison to second hand smoking he makes. Until then, my argument against SUV drivers, while childish but unanswerable, was that the drivers are making up for a sexual deficiancy, namely in size. |
I hate the "can't beat em' then join them" or the "keeping up with the Jones's" attitudes with modern purchasing. My car is ugly as sin, and the body is beat up horribly, but it runs well and I don't have a car payment. I liked that correlation between car pollution and second hand smoke as well. I have used it often. Maybe it is something with smog, but pollution is pollution. Being that my mother is the one who is so in love with S.U.V.'s you might be right about the lacking in size. I always said she was the one with the balls in their marriage. She acts like she wants to be "the man" so maybe that is part of her fascination with big S.U.V.'s and farm equipment!!!! Who knows with her. |
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to the sound of rain. i like rainy days. mattie was sitting on my shoulder (i sleep on my side) peering down at me. |
and there was a hand on my face. Someone's hand on the right side of my face. I trembled and shook when I touched the hand and could feel the hand but couldn't feel me feeling the hand. Understand? Then I learned: My left arm was numb from sleeping on my side and my left hand rested on my right cheek in a tender gesture. It wasn't scary at all. Only sad. |
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in her sleep last night i dreamt of sarah she had an art gallery in ferndale i made a piece for a show she was having |
little soft pink "toes"? dang i wanna be home right now with my meow meows |
an suv almost ran me over today. they were hanging out in the through lane and pissing me off going 30 miles an hour, so I moved into the right lane (i know, it's illegal to pass on the right, but DAMNIT!) to pass them--low and behold, they decide to merge into the right lane...on top of me. |
my cat loves to be stroked on the underside of the cheek. |
Doesnt get much better than this.....especially the part about dressing up in drag to go to the Trader Joes. From: patrick <accustat@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:33:15 -0800 (PST) To: ********************************** Subject: Re: Common sense is a weak rival to desire "******" <************.com> wrote: Patrick What a whiner. Condescending, smarmy and not very witty. Hardly makes a valid point. Ultimately we should all walk, ride bikes and use public transportation. Otherwise it's all a lot of diatribe. There are good arguments on all sides. Are you getting one of those electric cars. They are cool. Peace P From: patrick <accustat@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:54:31 -0800 (PST) To: ********************************** Subject: Re:Re: Common sense is a weak rival to desire P, Eh. There are very few good arguments to have an SUV other than the fact that we can. Convenience, this exclusively American notion that size=luxury, and the hauling capabilities are really the only reasons to have one. Considering most SUVs you see around only have 1, maybe 2 people in them.....what other good reason to have one is there? You have to consider the effects these vehicles have on the rest of the driving public. The idea that the driver of one is safer, yet the rest on the road are in more danger, to me, is ultimately selfish. This is the crux of the article: "As ultimately happened with tobacco, Americans decided that personal actions jeopardizing public health should be taxed unmercifully. The same should apply right away to SUVs with stiff new truck fees." I wouldn’t consider an electric/hybrid just yet as there are few charging stations. I’m not anti-auto, just wanting less selfishness and more sensibility. Ask C., her car has been victim to an Explorer with one driver in it. Had this person been driving a sedan she may not have sustained the damage she did. At at time when technology is readily available to make SUVs and heavy trucks much more efficient, to make us less dependent on foreign oil, and reduce the chances we'll have to start digging in treasured wild lands....the responsibilities are there, right in front of us, as consumers. Like I said before though....I won't hold your personal choice of a vehicle against you. p-money From: patrick <accustat@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:30:09 -0800 (PST) To: ********************************** Subject: Re: Re: Re: Common sense is a weak rival to desire Patrick There are so many issues out there that anything beyond home gardening, riding a bike, walking, living in an adobe structure built in the ground, off the grid is truly an impact on our planet. I do not defend or impose my rights to have the type of vehicle I have. I conserve, I limit unnecessary trips. I work in the same neighborhood I live in. There are people with smaller cars that think nothing of commuting 80 miles a day. It is truly a quandary to me where this animosity towards people who own certain vehicles comes from. I don't believe everyone can be lumped together like that. C. was hit by an Explorer....not a bad driver, it wasn't an accident. I don't get it. The writer lumps soccer moms into the SUV stereotype. I don't get that. Don't they drive mini-vans and Volvo's and Honda Civics as well. I think the most interesting POV is that all individuals who drive SUVs are arrogant, defensive and uncaring. That is just not fair. I personally feel like a sucker who fell for a trend. My sticker said 17 MPG and I don't nearly get that. I am so ashamed of driving my big bad car around forcing my will on the general population I must constantly look for new sunglasses and headgear to "Jackie O" myself up when I go to Trader Joe's...where all the soccer mom's shop. I mean really. Safety, yes. But there are semi's on the road and a multitude of other vehicles. Ships arriving at Los Angeles harbor put out more harmful emissions each day than all the cars on the road. I mean the arguments never end. It's a dirty, polluted world out there and we are the cause. That's all there is to it. Conserve, recycle, carpool, turn the lights off and the AC down, oh and don't eat at McDonald's either (rain forest ya know). We're all in this together. It's not just the SUVs. Peace....again P. |
and tries to catch the cursor. |
She also likes to attack the screen and type random messages |
you should hear what she's sayin |
I awakened to sorabji on virgil |
Tonight I fed her gourmet cat food and kitty milk. She purrs |
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Hey Patrick - got the old juices flowing with that SUV editorial, as The SUV debate seems to do with many people. SUV's are getting more and more bad press everyday, except from the car manufacturers, congress and gas merchants. Let's look at this - why are non-SUV drivers so emotionally opposed to SUVs? I'd like to state them, with responses that as far as facts go, can't be refuted by SUV drivers. Non-SUV drivers can't see around an SUV, A FACT causing us - in an already stressful driving situation to become more stressed. This is a NEW phenomena. It is not something most of us have had to grow up with. And the fact that trucks have existed for 100 years does not deflate the hatred for the new SUV obstructions. Trucks in general are limited in where and when they can drive. Trucks are driven by professionals and rarely in my lifetime have I been stuck behind a tractor trailer on a surface street on my way to the movies - but now I'm stuck behind a SUV everyday no matter where I go. Plus, trucks are limited in number (not everyone that could be swayed by a really cool GAP ad is likely to go out an buy a ten wheeler) whereas over five million SUVs have been added to the road in under 8 years. And everyone of them seems to be driving in front of me. Pick up trucks are long - but their beds are low in height in the back and do not obstruct my view. My next point also has to do with SUVs obstructing my view in parking lots. When I'm parked next to a SUV I can't see to my side to see if any cars are driving behind me as I pull out. They force me to back out BLIND, causing anger on a daily basis. This, again, was NOT a problem ten years ago, now it happens everyday. So, in my drive to the movies, I'm blocked from seeing upcoming lights, Traffic patterns and road signs by SUVs. Once I've reached my destination, I Have trouble in parking lots because of the size of SUVs. And, if the SUV driver says - tough luck, quit complaining - this just goes to add to the egocentric attitude assumed by SUV drivers - I have one and you don't, so shut up. The SUVers would have a point - if again, more than one person drove in a SUV, but 9 times out of ten, the SUV has a driver and no passengers. I can count on one hand any time I've seen a SUV being driven by an actual soccer mom loaded down with eight foot tall children thanking the lord they have a SUV so their fragile heads weren't crushed by the roof of a normal car. The next problem non-SUVs have with the SUVs is street parking - in L.A., parking like in many urban areas is precious and there are many times when a SUV takes up two spots - because the driver can't park the behemoth or because the driver feels as though their car is so special they don't want others to scratch and bump them. Before SUVs this problem was confined to rich fucks driving a Ferrari or a Rolls, which rarely affected my life. And I can't remember the last time a ten wheeler was parked on my street taking up two spots. Another problem is the height of the SUV's headlights - they are higher than the normal car and distract or blur the sight of the approaching driver. This is not a personal attack by me about SUV's but a fact. Check page two of today's L.A. Times California section. The NHTSE has received an overwhelming amount of letters from drivers complaining to them about the safety concerns of SUV headlight height, so much so, that they are working with engineers on lowering the legal headlight height allowed on SUVs. Ten years ago this was not a problem when driving home late at work on a surface street - I say surface street because ten wheelers do not frequent surface streets And can't be blamed for this new problem. Then of course, there are the pollution concerns. It is a fact that SUVs pollute more than normal cars. It is a fact that ten years ago, there were no SUVs and except for providing personal choice and making more money for the car manufacturers, not many people driving SUVs actually need them for anything more than their own self-esteem deficiencies. Why else does a single white guy need a car capable of hauling twelve people around on a daily basis? As far as SUV drivers saying all drivers are polluters - sure, but so far electric cars are not cheap enough for everyday people to buy them, the great twist to this is that the only people who can afford to buy electric cars are SUV drivers. So, we can't be asked to not bitch about SUVs and just buy an electric car - we can't afford them. As far as the rest of the world's polluters go, most of us vote for pro-environmental candidates when given the chance, but how many of us can actually bring down the amount of pollution from big business? Industry, shipping and trucking has been around as long as we have, and sure not everyone of us is willing to quit our jobs in order to devote our lives to lobbying the government against multi-billion dollar corporations. Bush is trying to drill in Alaska - why? We need more gas. Does the SUV (being the newest polluting problem) help or hurt the need for Alaska drilling? Does the SUV help or hurt our dependence on foreign oil? IF the SUV were important to everyday American life, I'd shrug and go - we're screwed again, cough, cough, pass the oxygen. I mean, unless we buy our yogurt in ten gallon drums, we're going to have waste. (and them we'd need SUVs to drive the yogurt drums home) Until the cost of electric cars is lowered - which it could be by Placing tax hikes on the SUV, then I'd buy one. If mass transit got me to my job, I'd take it. L.A. had a well-documented mass transit system that was ruined by the car manufacturers, oil and tire concerns. The bottom line, again, to pollution complaints about the SUV is that it is a tangible target, that we can grasp and see in our everyday lives. I can't shut down the L.A. harbor and stop the importing, exporting business, but I can voice my opinion about the SUV which is nothing more than a rich yuppie fashion accessory. I don't know why they weren't happy with buying pot bellied pigs and designer coffees. The world needs the L.A. harbor, I'm not sure the world needs SUVs. Then there is the safety issue, which boils down to if I have the money I deserve to live more than the poor folk. Cars have become safer with steel reinforced doors - which do nothing to protect me from the four foot high grill of a SUV crashing through my WINDOW at a far greater force and impact than a normal car. If the SUVers were so concerned about safety, they could have bought a Volvo. But, that's it, we all know the SUVers didn't buy the car for safety and that a Volvo isn't cool. They deem the SUV as cool, that's the ONLY reason they bought it. And we all know they know that. The only reason they're bringing up safety is cause they're beginning to feel the heat. And last, but not least - for places like Silver Lake - the emergence of the SUV signals the emergence of rich white people moving into the area. With this yuppie influx comes gentrification - which ruins the reason most of us like Silver Lake. There is no denying this fact,as I watch more and more mom and pop businesses Get kicked out due to higher leases because they can't afford because they don't sell designer hamburgers for twenty seven dollars. So the bottom line is rich ostentatious SUVs screwing with us in our daily rituals more than anything else we've had to deal with in our lives. We see the SUV as just a fashion statement for people who can't figure out better ways of spending their money. I truly hope gas prices go over 2dollars a gallon. I really hope for that day. Of course this debate can rage for ever, and I"m sure I'll think of even more issues, but one thing I'm sure about is that as time goes by, there is going to be a stronger back lash against SUVs and public opinion is going to sway against SUVs and the trendy people who bought the SUVs are going to have to work harder to defend their selfish expenditures or get used to broken windows and key scratches - which I'm already beginning to hear about these destructive instances from people more militantly anti-SUV than myself. My own public protests so far have been limited to giving sneers to SUV drivers and parking my crappy car so close to their driver's door that I hope they can't get into their battleship galactica or at least spill their mocha grande coffee on their GAP t-shirt when squeezing into their SUV. peace and smog, sam |
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a few days ago thoughts of my sister's life made me remember hazel park and ferndale hand carved cabinets in small brick homes, canopies of old elms and maples helicopter seeds blanketing deeply cracked sidewalks, cement driveways lead to unattached single car garages all the folks from royal oak moved to ferndale and hazel park after the New Yuppies and mongolian barbeque took over. an art gallery in ferndale sounds nice. |
a rhyme an old college buddy used to say about a friend of his: "My name's Gideon and I'm from Fern-dale, I've got lots of dope and drugs for sale" |
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Not because I need or want one. But, because it might be easier for my wife to get into it. She's had such trouble getting into and out of our car that I thought the additional hight of an SUV's seats might make it easier on her. I hate SUV's because, like trucks and vans, you can't see whats in front of the on the highway. And, when they are behind you at night you get blinded by their lights. My cat is all boy. He likes to try and mate with my wife's cat. Even though they can't. He also likes to race though the house at top speed whenever he's in the mood. His one good traight is he is very protective of my wife and me. If one of us moves or moans he will be right there to see whats up. My wife's cat is strictly built for comfort. She loves to lay around and get pampered. |
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I was born in a foursquare Queen Anne style ... of a large variety ... and didn't realize til recently that it too was a 1901 bungalow farmhouse. |
My partner and I are both into old houses, particularly arts & crafts/craftsman style. Our house has all of the cool built-ins from the period, and wainscoting that comes up to my eyebrows (I'm 5'10"). The entire downstairs is paneled, and the dining room has a plate rail that wraps all the way around. When we saw a picture of the stained glass window online, something told me that the dimensions were identical to the central window in our living room. We checked with the seller, and it matched. At that point we just went ahead and got it. It really makes a difference. |
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You should check out Ebay for stained glass windows. Quite often, pairs of windows will be put up for auction, salvaged from some poor bungalow that was razed. Its a big problem in Chicago, where people find these picture perfect neighborhoods, and move in, only to tear down the house, and build some glaring monstrosity in its place, thereby helping destroy the character of the neighborhood that drew them in the first place. If you dont subscribe already, you should look into getting American Bungalow. Its an incredible resource. |
in the early years of the twentieth century, i understand that all the hundreds of solid oak s curve roll top desks used by city of chicago employees as standard issue were axed for firewood when newer metal desks became available. |
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Just helping you out with your caps and sentence structure. |
it's nice to see that you know how to run the spelling and grammar check in word. nicely done! |
Yes, I did do a nice job, and thank you for your comments. Take care Ms. "knowing all of nothing". Talk to you soon, and you must love to stalk me. |
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Well, I am going to give you a crash course. Good luck. kisses |
borrrrrrrring borrrrrrrring borrrrrrring i know things are slow over there in Carolina, i lived there myself, but surely you can do more. |
But, we know where you are. Trust me. Kisses and hugs |
Kisses |
"By PI on Monday, April 1, 2002 - 03:31 am:" and you spoke of seeing "Neal Young" with Sonic Youth in "Chapell Hill" recently. And if you do know where, Im at, which isnt too difficult (considering i talk about the city i live in just about every god damn day!!!) i encourage you to come on over for coffee there, now be a good bitch and spell check my post. |
I don't care to spell check your fucked up posts, and who the hell would want to have a cup of coffee with a MORON? NOT ME. Why don't you be a good little boy and make your fucked up posts that you think are interesting, and just BACK OFF the MASTER here? LOL PS You are wasting your time Patrick trying to get me to associate with the likes of you.(wink) |
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Perhaps you will keep a smile on your face. LOLROFLMAO.......etc. |
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LMAO Checkmate! |
You also have the same characteristic way of mispelling and putting "love" at the end of your post. stop lying dumbass and say something interesting for once. |
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i need a cigarette and a drink after that. im pretty sure that will give Angry Sam a corinary. fucking brilliant. |
well, maybe. We've managed to stigmatize smoking. Who'd have thought that 30 years ago? I'm pretty sure my next car will be a hybrid. By the time i need a next car (which i hope is not soon) there should be more selection and the price should come down too. Hooray! |
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think I read somewhere that the first practical fuel cell vehicles will be SUVs or SUV-like to accomodate the size of the cells and consumer need to have space for all your stuff. Or maybe i just made that up, i'm not sure. |
if you cut many problems in half, in this day and age, many cynics like me, would be pleased. |