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By rwtrace on Friday, November 8, 2002 - 11:09 am:

    If you think you've been bombarded by bad news in the past, you ain't seen nuthin' yet!

    Republican control of the White House, the House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate does not mean that those who suffer from "Anxiety Disorder" are giving up their hold on Academia or the Media. These two extra-governmental powerhouses will certainly influence what happens next. Get ready for a virtual tsunami of depressing news stories, statistics, scientific studies and disasters predicted by computer-driven models.

    If you're not totally miserable and afraid by Election Day, Nov. 2, 2004, it will be due only to your understanding of what the Democrats are always up to. They have only one arrow left in their quiver with which to grab back power: scare tactics and the guilt trip. They have no agenda, at least not one they'll admit to. All of their socialistic goals have been achieved, and now too much of the population is wise to this.

    That's why they lost.

    It's not a good thing for too many people to be well-informed, especially if you make your living and derive your power from the arena of Leftist politics.

    The Left feels threatened, and therefore, the rest of the nation that has no clue what the Left does, or why they do it, will be running for the Prozac before the Liberal handwringers are done with them.

    If you're prepared, not only will you weather the ca-ca storm that's surely coming, but you'll also be able to prosper from it. In the meantime …

    Did you know that there are huge pockets of secret homeless people out there who somehow have been overlooked? Yes, it's true. The homeless population has grown and grown no matter what we have tried to do, and now – and until we get another Democrat in the White House – millions of homeless will die! And if they don't die, they will freeze! Or if they don't freeze, they will be starving!

    Worse yet, for some unknown reason the homeless have brought millions and millions of innocent women and children to live with them on the grates of America's cities. In fact, did you know we have more homeless children on our streets than Rio or Calcutta?

    You just didn't know about these homeless because when Bill Clinton was president, the homeless were housed and well fed. Weren't they? I mean, did we hear about the homeless problem when Clinton was president? So, better get ready for some really bad news in that department.

    And did you know that AIDS has somehow leapfrogged from a population of reckless gay men to the rest of the population? You didn't know? Yes, it's true! Countless thousands of heterosexual males and females are now infected. Or they are at risk of infection! The trouble is, they just don't know it! And, it's all the fault of the Republicans because they are mean and nasty to gay people!

    It's been determined through the use of sophisticated computer models that a bad attitude toward this very serious, pressing problem causes the AIDS virus to migrate to population groups heretofore unfairly protected against infection!

    Can it be long before "the children" are at risk of catching AIDS?

    Also, El Niño and La Niña have gotten married! Well, not really, but these two global weather phenomena have somehow gotten together to produce little Niños and Niñaettes! These heartless, deadly offspring will produce floods on one coast and drought on the other!

    Also, we are in for global warming in a way that will fry your tamales for sure! That's not all – we also will suffer from global cooling, and there are experts lining up to tell you why this terrible thing is happening to us!

    But you already know. It's because the nasty Republicans have cut off the funding for the various studies that always prove that Democrats care more about these things!

    And did you hear about the rain forests? Yes, it's awful! All those rich white guys sitting around in their Adirondack chairs made of Amazonian hardwoods cut from the precious forests south of here have not only reduced our chances for a cure for cancer, but worse still, the extra land cleared from this thoughtless deforestation also has resulted in massive waves of hot air that in turn have produced not one, not two, but a dozen new holes in the ozone layer!

    Better get your umbrellas ready, because skin cancer cannot be far behind.

    Crabs in the Chesapeake Bay are dying, eelgrass is wilting, endangered pupfish are going belly up, and that nuclear power plant near your neighborhood is starting to vibrate!

    And you heartless GOPers thought there were too many deer because they were committing suicide by running in front of SUVs! They were drowning in swimming pools in our backyards, and you thought it was because we had chased off those heartless hunters! Wrong – you were so wrong about that!

    Actually, the deer were just trying to get our attention! They were trying to warn us that if we don't stop sprawling all over the place, they are all going to die! What would America look like without white-tailed deer? Think about it!

    Since I mentioned the heartless, vicious hunters, let me just point out that future studies will PROVE that hunters start more fires in the forests than lighting strikes, thereby killing innocent bunnies and the like!

    Democrats can prove this, and all other calamities known and yet to be discovered, with statistics! And it's all the Republicans' fault. Especially Bush!

    Republicans may have the White House, the House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate, but they don't – by God – have the Media or Academia!

    And now they shall pay! And now we're all going to pay unless we finally reveal this shady, angry bunch for who they really are: Sufferers of "Anxiety Disorder."

    The trouble with people who suffer from this newly discovered mental disease is that they cannot tell a phony threat from a real one. Just ask Bill Clinton.


    Don't say I didn't warn you


By semillama on Friday, November 8, 2002 - 11:14 am:

    What is your major malfunction spunky? Your boys get mud on theeir faces, you whine. Your boys win, you whine.

    Christ you conservatives are whiny.

    "oohh, the big bad liberals arecoming to take away your money and your guns!!! OOOHHH!!! Watch out!!"


By rwtrace on Friday, November 8, 2002 - 11:16 am:

    Hmm
    Who wants to raise taxes?
    who is screaming for better gun control regulations?

    I am not whining, I just know what we are in for.


By semillama on Friday, November 8, 2002 - 11:23 am:

    Who wants to increase spending without increasing income?

    Who is screaming about the need to bomb the hell out of anyone we want to at anytime we want to?

    You have no idea of what we are in for. This administration has the potential to be even more destructive than even Reagan's (although they will have to try to hit Truman and LBJ's mark (granted that Nixon added onto LBj's tally)).


By Spider on Friday, November 8, 2002 - 11:28 am:

    Trace, where did you copy that from?


By rwtrace on Friday, November 8, 2002 - 11:36 am:

    "Who is screaming about the need to bomb the hell out of anyone we want to at anytime we want to?"

    That is why we are waiting for the UN today.

    NewsMax.com


By Nate on Friday, November 8, 2002 - 04:24 pm:

    hey spunk, now would be a good time to point out that all the lefty predictions about the evil this administration would exude have fallen flat. you should highlight that this administration has handled post-9/11 foreign affairs brilliantly.

    you might want to raise the question, 'what would clinton/gore have done?' then, you could use historical evidence of the vicious, bloodthirsty clinton/gore regime to illustrate that we would have done horrible things all around the world.

    you might say something like, sem... "This administration has the potential to be even more destructive than even Reagan's " .. do you mean physically destructive? warlike? clinton/gore was the most destructive regime since truman... wuddupwitdat?

    and don't leave out the fact that, while maybe not the smartest of men, bush has been one of the best leaders, one of the best _presidents_, the US has ever seen.

    oh, and maybe a sucker punch or two about the scary lefty nancy pelosi and how she is about to become the house minority lead. brrr.


By rwtrace on Friday, November 8, 2002 - 04:46 pm:

    Well another thing I can add:

    I want to answer DNC Chairman (former?) Terry McAuliffe's question he asked last week:
    "Are you better off now then you were two years ago?"

    Answer: HELL YES.
    I have seen 100% increase in my base salary AND 50% DECREASE in my fed income tax.
    No, boys and girls, the tax cut was not just for the rich, or is $41k a year considered rich today?

    I would have asked those questions, nate, if I was brilliant, but I am just not as quick to the punch as you are.


By Nigel Mason on Friday, November 8, 2002 - 04:54 pm:

    I want to answer DNC Chairman (former?) Terry McAuliffe's question he asked last week:
    "Are you better off now then you were two years ago?"

    I want to ask these folks:

    PUC to Probe SBC Plans for Job Cuts - LA Times (Nov 8, 2002)

    AMD to Cut Jobs as Part of Restructuring Effort - LA Times (registration req'd) (Nov 8, 2002)

    - General Mills to Close Mo. Plant - Associated Press (Nov 7, 2002)

    - AMD Plans Layoffs, Will Take Charge - Associated Press (Nov 7, 2002)

    - Texas Instruments Lays Off 180 - Associated Press (Nov 6, 2002)

    - Corel to Cut 220 Jobs, or 22 Percent of Workforce - Reuters (Nov 6, 2002)

    - France's Recif to Cut 250 Jobs - Associated Press (Nov 6, 2002)

    - Software Group JDA to Cut 170 Jobs - Associated Press (Nov 6, 2002)

    - Piper capital markets unit to cut 10% of workforce - Minneapolis Star Tribune (Nov 6, 2002)

    - Air Canada's regional carrier Jazz to cut staff as passenger traffic drops - Associated Press (Nov 6, 2002)

    - Merrill Lynch Cuts 400 Jobs - Associated Press (Nov 5, 2002)

    - BusinessWeek, Forbes Magazines Cut Jobs - Reuters (Nov 5, 2002)


By Nate on Friday, November 8, 2002 - 05:25 pm:

    "France's Recif to Cut 250 Jobs"

    spunked that one up, didn't you now.


By PROUD CONSERVATIVE on Friday, November 8, 2002 - 09:59 pm:

    Oh jesus christ.
    The media is focusing on it (hmm sounds like the op ed i opened this thread with) right now.
    I remember as far back as 1996 AT&T cut 40,000 and the sony, gm, ford, chrysler, followed by Citi Corp and B of A.
    companies have been laying off left and right since they have been in existance. it is a normal cycle. expand, then contract. The 90's saw the invention of the polically correct phrase "right-sizing". 1998-1999 saw a huge demand for IT people, durring 2000 they tried to keep as many as they could then 2001 they laid off.
    But, since a repub was in office, guess who gets blame.
    It does go with the territory, because most people are too stupid to sit and think about it, they would rather a newspaper or tv show tell them what to think about it.


By rwtrace on Friday, November 8, 2002 - 10:01 pm:

    The Three Faces Of Bush:

    "Before the 2000 election: "Bush is an idiot and hardly knows anything."

    After 9/11: "Bush is a reckless cowboy who will endanger the world in an attempt on revenge. The enlightened Europeans are against action."

    After 2002 elections: "Bush is a highly intelligent and skillful manipulator of the world. His conspirators are so intelligent and competent that they leave absolutely no evidence of their actions while stealing elections and subverting the system. I'm not sure why Europe and even Syria voted for the UN resolution, but you can't underestimate Bush, he's very crafty."

    Yes, it's amazing how Bush has "grown" in office isn't it?


By dave. on Friday, November 8, 2002 - 10:43 pm:

    "it is a normal cycle. expand, then contract."

    see, that's my issue. lives are meaningless outside of their roi. business is comfortable with this on one level and protective of it on another (its own) level. it is abstract predation. it is animal husbandry. our keepers nurture us just enough so that we will do their bidding and yet, every couple of years, they cajole and beg us to renew their contract. legends tell us that we are in control of all of this. i wonder what would happen if, some day, the sheep actually look up.


By rwtrace on Friday, November 8, 2002 - 11:39 pm:

    the sheep have gotten used to being fed instead of hunting.

    that is the main problem.


By Nate on Friday, November 8, 2002 - 11:44 pm:

    the ease of laying people off in this country is directly responsible for the ease of hiring people. if it were harder to fire a schmuck, more time and effort would be spent finding the right people. that means a lot of americans wouldn't have jobs in the first place.


By patrick on Saturday, November 9, 2002 - 01:07 pm:

    i watched a documentary on 9-11 the other night. a photo montage from the dreadful day.

    you can't look at that event and not feel we have been tooled. all those people died for what? you can't help but feel there was another hand in the pot.

    "bush has been one of the best leaders, one of the best _presidents_, the US has ever seen"

    nate stop teasing trace

    "you should highlight that this administration has handled post-9/11 foreign affairs brilliantly."

    um. yeah. absolutely. failed coups in oil rich Venezuala, alienated our allies, threatened stability in upper and lower Asia, and the middle east.

    to answer critcism of Bush with criticism of Clinton is pussy.


By rwtrace on Saturday, November 9, 2002 - 02:15 pm:

    but to ignore the contributions clinton made to our current situations is insane.


By rwtrace on Saturday, November 9, 2002 - 02:16 pm:

    you cannot have 8 years of raping the military, stipping the intellegence community and makeing billion dollar deals with tyrants and have everything be ok


By dave. on Saturday, November 9, 2002 - 03:36 pm:

    fuck the military. chickenshit motherfucking conservatives always hiding behind the military. i guess if you're gonna be world class fuckheads, you better have backup.


By Nate on Saturday, November 9, 2002 - 05:33 pm:

    if you want to live like a commie, there's cuba.


By patrick on Saturday, November 9, 2002 - 07:47 pm:

    trace. step out of the pea-brained mindset of us vs. them.

    its not republican - democrat

    thats the jacks and marbles they keep you consumed with.

    think of all those dipshits wasting their time working for either one of those parties.

    think of all the money wasted with political parties in general.

    can you imagine what we could do with schools with that money?

    it doesnt matter. clinton, bush, gore or your pimple-faced sister.

    right now, its bush's turn on the grill. he is not exempt.

    pussy. step out and account for what is happening now. you can do nothing of yesterday.

    what do you want, me to accept Clinton's misgivings? what about Bush Sr.? Ronnie? god damn Lincoln!?

    wtf!

    they all pick each other's shit upon moving in! what matters is what will be done tomorrow.




By Joe on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 01:11 am:

    "w" is just lucky that he happens to be president at a time when anyone who talks tough regarding terrorism would get a high approval rating. he is nothing more than a fucking spoiled brat who truly believes that he "gets" to be president now because of his dad. what will happen when he has to go "one on one" with another world leader without the benefit of his speech writers? god help us.


By Czarina on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 10:50 am:

    Rumor has it, Cuba makes great cigars.


By trace on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 11:48 am:

    Your whole argument about blaming bush for the problems we are facing today caused by mistakes or stupid moves or facades of previous administrations based soley on the fact that he is the one who is presently in office is the dumbest thing I think I have ever seen come out of your mouh.

    How are we to ever learn from past mistakes?

    That argument alone shows your bias attitude and apathy towards the bullshit done by clinton and gore.


By trace on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 11:50 am:

    and further tells me the futility of trying to have a constructive debate with you in regards to presidents. Because you have chosen to ignore the facts and are so hell bent on hating bush that there is nothing that can ever effect you


By spunky on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 11:52 am:

    YES, I AM UPSET

    to me that is far worse than just believing every damn thing you see or read in the main stream press


By Lapis on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 12:14 pm:

    Homeless dragging women and children into the gutters.... hrm?

    In my city, the homeless are trying to establish a permanent site (and pay for it, no less) where they can be self-sufficient and obey the local anti-loitering laws. AS a whole, they've been pushed and prodded, forced to move their camp about, constantly treated with a NIMBY attitude. Even the railroad company denied their desire to buy land citing that "sombody would pass out on the tracks" (note that the camp requires that every member is drug and alcohol free) as a reason not to sell.

    Politics is all cloak and dagger, Trace, not just the Democrats (left-wing... HA! try centrist), but most politics, particularly more right wing parties, are anti-empowerment.


By semillama on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 12:39 pm:

    Nobody here is more Bush hating than you are Clinton hating.

    Personally, I agree with some folks that just about every single presiden we've had for the last hundred years or so has been an untried war criminal.


By patrick on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 12:57 pm:

    My argument does NOT blame Bush for ALL the problems we have today. I hold him and his fucking corporate cronies responsible for their actions. THEIR actions. Do I beleive they had a negligent and even active hand in 9/11. Yes. Notice in the Homeland Security bill being passed as we speak, there is no referendum, originally insisted upon by the Dems, allowing for further investigation and inquiry into the hows and whys 9/11 happened. Why? Is it because Islamic fundamentalist funds may be traced back to the CIA beginning with the bloodless coup in Pakistan 3 years ago? Money traced back to the Saudi Arabian gov't tacitly supported by the oil-rich families such as the Bushes, the Cheneys etc? Do I believe they are lying through their fucking teeth? Yes. Do I believe they knew it was going to happen? Yes. Do I believe 3000+ people died so the military industrial complex could get its contracts, we could subsequently launch war in Iraq, collect their oil, establish a military presence in lower Asia, strip guaranteed rights domestically to further enhance an agenda of greed by coporates and Bush could tool the world like a kid with tinker toys to please his daddy, get revenge and makeup for his otherwise incompetent career? yes. do I have it all mapped out to debate with you? no. i have my suspicions and my anger, thats enough for me.

    im not apathetic to previous administrations misgivings either. you don't see me harping daily on Reagan do you? or Bush Sr.? Why? Where's the point. You're either too obssesed with Clinton's aura like every other right wing fuckwit or you are too stupid to get it. You're too dense to look at the forest. You're too caught up with the trivial things to get the big picture, the trees along the way. Thats fine. They want you content with the small beans. I have all kinds of problems with previous administrations, but what good does it do me to nit pick them to death, muchless debate them with you. I guarantee i have a better grasp on American history than you do trace? Im confident of that. So dont lecture me about not being aware or ignoring history you fuckwit. Im not ignorant of history, I have established that Im quite aware of our past and what it means for today and tomorrow, far more than yourself. You've learned a lot from these boards (as have I) and frankly the minute politics and US History even came out of your mouth on this board you were completely clueless. You still are.

    My attitude is not one of apathy. In fact its just the opposite. Recently its taken a major shift...loosing almost every ounce of hope I had. But its definitely not one of apathy.

    All this aside...

    Im far more independent minded and objective than you could ever be. You think Im some flaming liberal who hinges on every word jizzed out of the likes of Gore and Daschel's mouths. Thats fine, i realize you have to reduce it as such for it to click with your otherwise pea-brained, simpleton view of the world around you.

    Otherwise suck it trace, Im tired of going back to elementary school to go back and forth with you. its not fun anymore.


By trace on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 04:01 pm:

    suck it?
    who is the one who is elementary?

    Um, the reason that the HSA was not passed before the elections had NOTHING to do with the why's & hows of 9/11.

    The main reason it did not pass the senate was because there was no protection for the Union GSA positions. Bush wants to de-unionize gov positions because it takes a miracle to get an imcompentent union gov worker fired, and the dems were opposed to it.

    And you have never proven anything other then bias against bush since he thought about running for president.

    "they all pick each other's shit upon moving in! what matters is what will be done tomorrow. "

    Guess what is being done tomorrow? repairing the damage done over the 8 years before 9/11/01.

    We have big problems in the government and radical solutions will be needed to fix it.

    You cannot be faint of heart about it now, or wishy washy.
    We should have NEVER given the UN any new resolution. The fucker never lived up to the one he signed back in 91. We had reason from 92-00 to go back in and bomb the hell out of him, but it did not happen.
    One of Bush's campaign platforms was that we should go back to Iraq and go for regime change.
    But he came in off a fucked up election which NO ONE could have come out looking legitimate.
    The last thing he would be able to do was build up the military and start bombing until at least his second or third year in office.

    I know you were for Nader, not Gore or Bush.
    "You think Im some flaming liberal who hinges on every word jizzed out of the likes of Gore and Daschel's mouths. Thats fine, i realize you have to reduce it as such for it to click with your otherwise pea-brained, simpleton view of the world around you."
    No, what I am saying is no matter what comes out of Bush's mouth you will be against it.
    Entirely different thing

    I don't think Lieberman was that bad, I hope he runs in 2008.



By Antigone on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 04:20 pm:

    I don't think McCain was that bad. I wish HE could run in 2008.


By patrick on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 04:38 pm:

    "Um, the reason that the HSA was not passed before the elections had NOTHING to do with the why's & hows of 9/11."

    Did I say anything about the elections and HSA being connected? Please quote me where i said the two were connected. i KNOW why it didnt pass before the elections. I KNOW it was over issues of labor. Please, pay attention.

    "repairing the damage done over the 8 years before 9/11/01."

    typical meaningless Rush Limbaugh rhetoric. Bravo trace!

    "You cannot be faint of heart about it now, or wishy washy."

    more undefined and meaningless right wing crip crap.

    "The fucker never lived up to the one he signed back in 91."

    When you say this, while lecturing me on history, i beg you to study history and recall all the times the US has scoffed and balked at international treaties we have signed. Geneva convention ring a bell for starters?

    "One of Bush's campaign platforms was that we should go back to Iraq and go for regime change"

    Also one of his campaign pledges was not to be nation-builder, what the fuck do you think armed "regime change" is dipshit? Remember that? He promised not to nation-build. What do you think is going in Afghanistan? What do you think they tried to do in oil-rich Venezuela?

    "No, what I am saying is no matter what comes out of Bush's mouth you will be against it."

    Trace...im more intelligent than this.


    Similarly, in the other thread about primaries. You just don't comprehend, you don't get it and in general, you dont know what you're talking about.

    Liberman? not that bad? Case. Point. Example.

    Lieberman was the worst part about Gore. You think what has happened in Israel and Palestine in the last 2 years is bad? Lieberman would have never taken that some-times hard stance against Israel that Bush and Powell did. If Lieberman were in charge, you could expect war criminals like Sharon would have expelled or assasinated Arafat a long time ago. If anyone poses any kind of threat to the Constitution, as much as Bush, Liberman would.

    What a nightmare that motherfucker would be.


By semillama on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 04:39 pm:

    Where's Chupacabra when you need him/her?


By trace on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 04:55 pm:

    You are right as usual
    I am an idiot. I have to be because I do not sing your song.


By chupachupa on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 05:19 pm:


By Art Bell on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 05:22 pm:


By Czarina on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 01:09 am:

    Sadly, even after viewing Chupa's pic,I still can't determine his/her gender.

    But nice doo.


By semillama on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 09:18 am:

    That's a dog, not Chupacabra!

    Art Bell does not discriminate.


By semillama on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 09:30 am:


By trace on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 10:06 am:

    Art Bell does not discrimate fact from fiction, you mean


By trace on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 10:07 am:

    deiscriminate

    dammit


By nonspelling spunk on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 10:08 am:

    discriminate discriminate discriminate discriminate discriminate discriminate discriminate discriminate discriminate
    discriminate discriminate discriminate
    there, now I have written my spelling words 9 times....


By patrick on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 11:54 am:


By conservativelyspunky on Friday, November 15, 2002 - 11:44 am:


By Joe on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 01:06 am:

    i think we are dying. trying to debate the posture of our government using the current leaders is a worthless exercise. we need real leaders, not assholes who are "identified" by their political party when they are 17 or 18 and then groomed for the presidency. the world is laughing at us.


By semillama on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 09:19 am:

    An easy way to do this is to ban political ads on commercial television, which is where all the money makes the difference (look at the Ohio gubernatorial race for an example). Sure it's unconstitutional, but there have been times in the past when the constitution did not address a crisis of democracy, and if the past few elections have proved anything, it's that we have one.


By Nate on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 10:23 am:

    the problem is democracy. when the average joe can't read at high school level, how do you really expect him to understand what is important in a candidate?


By semillama on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 12:13 pm:

    Sounds to me what you are actually saying is that the problem is education.


By Track Star on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 01:49 pm:


By semillama on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 03:00 pm:

    I hope the parents here take note of the importance of geography.

    If/when I have children of my own, i think it would be wise to make sure that I supplement their education by filling in the gaps.

    I think I was quite able to locate all the places they mentioned in the article when I was 18.


By wisper on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 02:45 pm:

    i think that study is bullshit.
    Think about it, this wasn't dutiful little 5th graders they were testing, it was 18-24 year olds. "I think i have better shit to do than point to some crap on a map for your amusement"-year-olds.

    So they sit you down and ask you to point to your own country on a blank map. You're 18-24. What do you do?
    -"Yes sir! it's right there, there it is, uh-huh!"
    -"America? you want me to find AMERICA? ....for real? and you're actually going to monitor me? uuuuuugh, okaayyeee, duuuuuuHHhhh" and then pretend to think real hard, and then point to Antartica.

    I contend that it's not 17% that didn't know the countries, it's that 17% didn't care about the test.


By Spider on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 02:50 pm:

    I'm 24 and I wouldn't act like that. Or wait -- I might be so insulted by the question that I....uh-oh.


By patrick on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 03:03 pm:

    have you taken the survey?
    http://geosurvey.nationalgeographic.com/geosurvey

    im not so sure about that wisper.

    i mean, if i was asked or volunteered to participate...why would i paint myself dumb?

    you make it sounds as if they went and picked up a bunch of Spiccoli's for this.


    Even if you take the survey with a grain of salt, the results are still pretty pathetic.


By patrick on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 03:08 pm:

    whats worse is, the questions that ask you to locate a country....if you look at the options if gives you, it gives the answer, and then usually 3 or 4 other options are on the otherside of the world.

    so its not like the respondants mistakenly identified Sweden for Finland, or Japan for S. Korea.



    Fucking sad.


By wisper on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 03:17 pm:

    i'm only suggesting a 17% ratio of Spiccolis, which i think is about right per capita.

    you pick people randomly, some percentage isn't going to care.


By Spider on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 03:26 pm:

    I got every question on that survey right.

    Of course, I guessed where Sweden was based on the fact that its # was the only # of the 3 Scandinavian countries in the MC answers.


By semillama on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 04:19 pm:

    I missed two, but only because I thought they might be trick questions.

    What's interesting is that with most of the find the country questions, the countries were part of the ones that took part in the survey, so you could compare how many Japanese knew where their country with Swedes, Mexicans, and Americans. Everyone except the Americans scored in the high 90s.


By trace on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 05:12 pm:

    i missed 2.....
    Japan (oops, i put them right over Australia)
    and
    Aregentina.
    I put Argentinia at 12 instead of 22, too far north.


By patrick on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 05:37 pm:

    i missed the one about which religion is the largest. i clicked Buddhism...but apparently those damn christians took the lead at some point.


    fuckers.




By Lapis on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 06:43 pm:

    One. Islam over Christianity.


By moonit on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 11:47 pm:

    I like they way they don't even bother to survey Kiwi's or Aussies.

    We are so smart!


By Joe on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 01:30 am:

    "the problem is democracy. when the average joe can't read at high school level, how do you really expect him to understand what is important in a candidate?"

    nate, you got it.

    in what month do we celebrate the 4th of july? just watch jay leno. we celebrate ignorance.


By Average Joe on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 11:50 am:

    What.


By wisper on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 12:41 pm:

    last time i checked, i believe religions went as such:
    Christian - Islam - Hindu - Buddhism

    i too drew a blank on Argentina. I hang my head in shame.


By Spider on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 12:50 pm:

    I didn't because my mommy went on vacation there this summer. Sadly, she did not see any penguins, as I had hoped.


By semillama on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 01:45 pm:

    I got all the country ones right, but then again, I also feel that a knowledge of geography is vital to be an educated person.

    plus, I'm an archaeologist. We deal with maps all the time. I love maps. You can never have enough maps. Especially 7.5' USGS quad maps. I could spend hours poring over quad maps. the British Ordnance surveys are even better, since they have all the neolithic monuments and iron age hillforts on them as well.


By trace on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 03:01 pm:

    I did not know they had penguins in argentina?
    At least I got the right continent on argentina...

    just not far enough south.


By dave. on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 04:53 pm:


By semillama on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 05:56 pm:

    nice


By J on Saturday, November 23, 2002 - 01:23 am:

    You gotta love Dave:) mawhh,the real deal.


By wisper on Saturday, November 23, 2002 - 06:03 pm:

    me likey Jello!





    (oh shit. if you don't know what i'm talking about, i sound insane.)


By patrick on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 12:02 pm:

    on a recent shoot of elimidate in ann arbor, angry sam was reminded of a lesson he learned sometime ago.

    when filming people playing in jello...never use red jello.

    it freaks the audience out.


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