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I'm tellin ya, i just might vote next time. They're really getting my attention. I am as close to national pride as i ever have been. It feels all wrong and creepy. I just hope it all goes through.... -------------- Canada Committee Backs Same-Sex Marriages TORONTO - A powerful Parliament committee — by a one-vote margin — issued a non-binding call Thursday for the Canadian government to drop legal challenges of court rulings that allow same-sex marriages. The 9-8 vote by the House of Commons Justice Committee was the latest to prod Prime Minister Jean Chretien's government to change the legal definition of marriage or to stop challenges to court rulings that allow other than heterosexual unions. On Tuesday, an Ontario appeals court declared invalid Canada's legal definition of marriage as being limited to the union of a man and a woman, changing it in Ontario to a union between two people. It also ordered Toronto's city clerk to issue marriage licenses to homosexual couples involved in the case. That led to Canada's first legal same-sex marriage later in the day, with 21 more homosexual couples receiving marriage licenses on Wednesday. Despite the Parliament committee's vote, Justice Minister Martin Cauchon said Thursday he needed more time before deciding whether the government would appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada. If not, the appellate court's definition of marriage would become the national law. "There's many options," Cauchon said. "We have a Cabinet retreat next week, and I really want to take the time to talk to my colleagues." Opinion polls indicate a slight majority of Canadians favor making same-sex marriages legal. Some Cabinet ministers have said it was time to change the marriage definition to reflect modern social mores, but divisions have emerged among members of Parliament from the governing Liberal Party. Last month, a British Columbia appeals court also ruled the federal government should change the law. The federal government also has yet to decide on whether to appeal the British Columbia ruling. A Quebec court also has ruled against the federal ban. Quebec recognizes homosexual civil unions, which are separate from formal marriage. In the United States, homosexual marriage lacks full legal recognition in all 50 states. Vermont recognizes civil unions that give homosexual couples the full benefits and responsibilities of marriage, but are separate from legal marriage. -------------- how many protestors were out on the lawn that day, spilling on to the streets and waving bibles and signs, you ask? How many hundreds came down in buses to oppose changing the national marriage laws to include gays? one. just ONE LONE GUY and it was pathetic, one lone minister, sitting on a lawn chair and reading a book, badly worded sign propped up beside him. He left before dusk. And that's it. it's beautiful. |
they are so bass- ackwards its funny... its like the Simpsons episode where Homer thinks bart might be 'getting gay' from John, the shop owner... anyway... holy ol' shit... I tried to talk to one guy, but he was so adament, and worried and.... god knows what else, i couldnt hardly speak.... man i hate the people in this province... its like when i moved here i went back in time at least a decade.... |
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they are so bass- ackwards its funny.." You gotta love calling someone who has a different value system then your own a bass-ackward redneck. That is a classic example of the pot calling the kettle black |
And it's a little more than just a "different value system." That's like saying white supremists have just a "different value system" ok actually they do, and it's totally bass-ackward. |
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Each has a different view. How can you claim to be "tollerent" when you cheer one group, while labeling the other group with insulting, degrading terms? By default you have also assumed the roll of a bigot. |
Look. you have two groups of people. One group's view and actions are to increase human rights. The other groups views and actions are to decrease human rights. If it makes me a bigot to call the latter group a bunch of assholes, then so be it. But I think you aren't clued into what "tolerance" is, spunky. I am tolerant of hate groups right to spout their hate, but that doesn't mean I have to like them. And if their hatespouting crosses the line into denying of another groups human rights, then they shouldn't be tolerated at all. Tolerance is not a blanket acceptance of everything. |
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you're right bigkev, the AB premier scares the crap out of me. Wtf is wrong with Alberta. Your health care is all assfucked too, no? |
Ralph Klein = Drunken bigot* *although every bit the politician, he has said that if the public was more open to homosexual marriages he would not stop them with bullshit legallities. |
although i drove through Alberta and the mountains in 2001, it really is beautiful there. Pictures can't express things like that. My mom's from Sask. and my dad's from BC. |
I did not say I agree or disagree with the decision. Wanna know the truth? I could care less if you married GOATS. My beef is the idea that it is ok to call someone a backwards redneck because they still stick to some sort of moral code that they beleive in. |
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Pushing morals on others about things that don't even concern you, that's when one becomes a backwards redneck. Or whatever. |
I wonder if Canada will experience an increase in immigration from the US of homosexual couples? |
Now we're gonna get the rap about the sanctity of marriage. To the married folk, and I'm serious here. Your marriage don't mean shit. The cake and the flowers and the gifts does not make at least 50% of you any more committed than you were before. There is no sanctity of marriage, and if you think there is, why dont you try not rushing into them, not making such a huge fuss about it, being with someone you love instead of someone you knocked up. Gay people will never ruin what it means to be married, especially if the Missionary Position Experience continues to shovel shit on what it currently means to be married. A committed gay couple showing such enthusiasm, wanting to show the world that they want to be together for life, wanting the right, can only strengthen the sanctity of marriage. It can only decrease the stereotype of running around fucking anything that moves, multiple partners. And when it does, we wont be having this discussion anymore ... Until then, America - send us your homos. They hate hockey too, and that attitude needs to spread through this country like a shitstain in my underpants. |
you still need to work out your sodomy laws first... I often wonder if these laws exist because they associate it with gay people, or because they are threatened by the act itself |
Nice one, Rowlfie boy! |
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Other than that, I don't know what to say. Is it really all that suprising? Not really, just suprising that someone is doing something rather than just saying something. I bet there will be couples out there who will be really happy to be able to do this, and there will be others who get divorces, just like everyone else. |
I've never met a nigger who could read. I guess none of them can... |
Just because someone is of a different sexual orientation does not mean that they think any differently abour relationships than the rest of us. They are just as human as we are. |
personal opinions be damned at that point. And you must admit, humanity has gotten to the point that we feel what we want is far more important then what some book tells us. That is EXACTLY what happend before the flood of noah or the two cities that were destroyed with fire and brimstone. |
"If you blindly think that some person holds a higher sanctity of marriage because of their sexual orientation vs who they are as a person or their personal beliefs, then I feel sorry for you." You're the only person on this thread who is saying that, so feel sorry for yourself... |
Golly gee, Jed! It must be th' end times! Git yer bible and yer shovel!! |
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you do not see it from a biblical point of view, so you mock it and have decided that those who do beleive it are bass-ackward rednecks, which was the very point I have been trying to make. |
two words: Pilate's family. |
You all are reading her wrong. She has said that there is no difference between how straight and gay couples view the sanctity of messages. |
Pilate's family is a beautiful thing. |
I may mock those whom I dissagree with, but religious folk tend to attack and kill those they disagree with. I think my approach is a bit more civilized. |
But God help you if you're not Catholic and you try to take Communion. That's the one thing I won't keep my mouth shut over. |
communion is nothing more then signafying that you have accepted christ in your life and were baptised. |
Did He not beseach you to follow his example? Is not the meaning of the term "Christian" to be Christ Like? are we not commanded to follow his commandments and his example? Does forgiveness not entail "go and sin no more"? Did He leave the change makers in the temple alone? |
This weekend I told my mother (nominally Catholic, but divorced and someone who doesn't go to church every week) that she shouldn't go to Communion. She was upset with me, but hey, she needed to be told (that was my duty). If she had gone to Communion anyway, I wouldn't have said anything further to her. |
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If you know the person does know better and is still sinning, what can you do? I'm not Jesus, I can't change their hearts. I can only show by my example that, say, *not* telling someone they're going to hell or *not* destroying my life with drugs is the right thing to do. If they're someone close to me (a relative, a close friend), I might say that I don't think they're making a good decision, but after that, it's up to them to decide to "go and sin no more." |
I will never get over her attempts to "cast the demons out of me"..... |
"my experiences have shown that they don't have a stronger bond or stronger belief in the sanctity of marriage" I've never met a nigger who could read. I guess none of them can..." I only said that they are just as human as we are and they are just as likely to have the same faults or beliefs when it comes to marriage as we do. Gay or straight we are all still human. Some think it is OK to fuck whoever you want even if you are married, some are only with their married spouse and some cheat, and everything in between just like straight couples. They are just as human as we are. Sexuality doesn't change human nature, doesn't change how the mind works, it only changes the sex of the person you are with or want to be with. I am done now. |
"So basically, my experiences have shown that they don't have a stronger bond or stronger belief in the sanctity of marriage." and this "Rowlf I would agree with you about the sanctity of marriage thing, if it weren't for the fact that every single homosexual person I know who found their "life partner" wishing that they could get married, ended up leaving their life parter forever and moving far away to escape them." and then you say this "In that respect they are just the same as the rest of us." WHAT? if anyone is twisting, its you. your posted opinion was contradictory. so spunk, eri, maybe its not our fault we are misinterpreting you, maybe you were unclear. |
TWISTIN IN THE WIND! I've been awake for 25 hours straight. I've had about 8 hours sleep in the last four days. Please forgive me if I'm a little twisted myself, at the moment. |
"In that respect they are just the same as the rest of us." Does NOT contradict "So basically, my experiences have shown that they don't have a stronger bond or stronger belief in the sanctity of marriage." look at the ER at the end of the word strong. I know plenty of straights that do not have a strong bond. Jeane & what's his name Paul & Bridgette Patricia & whats his name I do not know very many gay couples that are still with the same person they were with when I met them. Jeff was a ho, Jonathan went through as many guys as tissues, V has gone through 4 girls, and Justin got kicked out of LEAGE (did I spell that right, Eri?) because he was there to pick up guys. |
anti is twisting on lack of sleep, no doubt. Hey spider, how often do you see non catholics taking communion? Bad catholics i can understand, but non catholics? That seems like a funny picture to me, some guy walking past a church on sunday, walks in giggling, takes the host giggling, walks out.... "SUCKERS!!!!" Before we went to communion, dad would inspect our hands to make sure they were clean enough to "recieve jesus". If they were messy, well, that was BIG shit for me and my sister. I guess you get some quirks when you're raised by a nun. One day during communion at school, (don't kill me Spider! i was just little!!) i only pretended to take it, and then snuck it home to my mom. She was raised anglican and not very religious so she went to church for our christenings and first communions only, she never went otherwise or had communion herself. "wow, it really does taste like styrofoam!" I was sworn to secrecy. Looking back, though terribly sacreligious, i'm sure it was a cute scene. Little girl me taking out my super-secret present for mommy. |
in Canada right now many people are already flocking or planning of vacationing to Ontario to get married, but have/will go back to their home provinces to have their marriage not be recognized... Alberta, New Brunswick, etc... today Chretien outlined that legislation will bec coming within weeks to make gay weddings go forward on a national level... so eri, spunk, maybe gay people you know have left their partner. One of the few gay people I know is a real slut of a boy. Whatever. ...but the people you knew, they werent married... they were in a relationship. Every straight person I've known has broken up with someone at least once, I wouldnt use that as an argument against their rights to marry. Its not the same. The point is they are just as capable of having a stable marriage as straight people, and it will be proven by giving them that right. If you don't, anything you say is just hypothesizing. Do you think every gay person is going to marry their mustachioed, leather clad boyfriend of three months? That they will ALL get married and want to raise children? Do you make every judgment about people based on personal experience? |
Personally, i prefer using personal experience verses third pary hear-say. And no, she did not very clearly contradict her self. I did not see any contradiction. |
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I'm not saying that personal experience means shit. But theres common sense spunk, that scratches out several layers of your personal experience. For example, former gay people that have joined ministries to try to 'convert' gay people back to being straight. They think its right based on their own personal experience. Well other peoples' personal experiences and common sense, (not to mention facts) tear the shit out of that guy, and thousands more like him. |
come to los angeles or any other major city. granted where i work is not the best example of successful gay and lesbian relationships, being such a prominent gay and lesbian publisher but off the top of my head i can think of......13 different people i know either from work or outside of work who are in stable, seemingly healthy, long-term relationships. In fact, many of them are certified 'domestic partners' which you can do in the city of West Hollywood, making you eligable for state benefits. |
There was a very large population of gay employees there. Then we moved to California. That is where I met jonathan. He was my best friend out there, and MAN was he a SLUT. |
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though there are stats to indicate gay men and lesbians are more likely to be alcoholic than straights. |
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