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I have a question, though. Is it possible he really just likes little kids? Not sexually, but like maybe he thinks he is a little one too, and wants to share his things with them? I know, that sounds bad, but maybe he has some mental thing were he is more comfortable around kids then adults. Still not sure why he dangled that baby over the balcony, however. |
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I just meant maybe the guy is a nut ball who likes haveing non-sexual sleep overs with little ones. He is disturbed, but have there been any kids actually molested, or is it all just allegations? |
Hmmmmmm...then all of the kindergarten teachers I know would be pedophiles... |
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genitalia and express what they did he sends their parents large sums of money and gifts is that enough? |
He never had a normal childhood. And, he has been making up for it for ages. Even if the worst is true. You have to ask this question. What were the parents of these kids thinking? Who here would let their kids spend the night alone with a 45 year old man they hardly knew at all? Especially after the prior alogations. |
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whoo! free babysitting and nifty presents for us!!! yahoo!!!! |
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If there are concrete charges against Jackson and he is convicted in a court of law, then he is a pedophile. Not before. |
Im so sick of celebrity mishaps and the prolonged coverage we get. |
and he is convicted in a court of law, then he is a pedophile. Not before." bullshit |
. I mean, there's nothing illegal about being a pedophile if you refrain from abusing children. . It sounds like MJ might have molested children, but we won't know for sure in a legal sense unless he's convicted. |
I'd almost say that character assassination is as likely a reason they're going after him as is a legitimate child abuse investigation. Society is not tolerant of high-profile nutjobs in Jackson's vein. |
You can be a pedo without doing something illegal. Then you become a child molester or child rapist. Of course, possesing child porn is considered pedophilia as well, and you can be convicted of it. So, I guess the illegal form owuld be what, staring at kids who are clothed? |
Would watching two underage kids, actually in person instead of on tape or avi or mpeg or whatever, having sex count as pedophilia? Just curious |
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I really don't understand the attraction anyway. But I don't understand the attraction one male has for another either, so who knows? And, is being attracted to a child different then being attracted to the same sex? Is it possible that this condition, in the same way as they say homosexuality is, something that is programmed into them, something in thier genetics that they have no control over? If that is so, then once one is identified, and is identified as a threat to children, then they should be locked up for life. |
Yeah, sem. FoxNews and the whole Murdoch media empire have a thing against him. Not saying that charges aren't valid, but the whole Murdoch has a history of hyping any negative news of Jackson. Oh, and heather, you're a pedophile, right? If we don't need courts to bandy about that label, then we can apply it to whomever we choose. "I mean, there's nothing illegal about being a pedophile if you refrain from abusing children." So you're a pedophile too, TBone? I mean, you haven't acted on it yet, but I can see from your previous posts that you prefer the young ones. We judge people on what they do, not what they "are." To judge you need to prove action and usually intent as well. To deny that means you deny the entire legal system. Anyone have a better alternative? |
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Of course you cannot arrest someone for the way they feel, they must act first on that action. And for the record, I did see two underage teens just the other day going at it while driving down the highway. Sillies, I was in my Ranger and could see the whole thing... So, in that instance it would not be pedo because I did not persuade it to happen nor did I seek it out. |
I wonder what victims think of that. I think what Heather meant is that a pedophile's actions can still exist outside of the court that convicts him or her. There are people who bear witness to pedophelia, even if no institutional authority acknolwedges it. Perhaps, there is a difference between public and private labeling. That is, I don't have the proof to convict my rapist in a public setting, but that doesn't mean that in lieu of a public conviction, I have to accept that he isn't a rapist. It just means that I have to find a different place (therapy, for example) to make that claim. |
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The courts have way too much power. Just because a court says you are or are not something does not make it so in reality. Just legally. |
"If that is so, then once one is identified, and is identified as a threat to children, then they should be locked up for life." Then, you say: "Of course you cannot arrest someone for the way they feel, they must act first on that action." Youf first point would lead directly to you second. If someone was genetically identified as a pedophile, wouldn't they immediately be judged as a "threat to children"? And, if you can lock someone up for something they might do (because they're genetically predisposed) then locking them up for their thoughts is not far behind. You can't perform an action without thinking it first. Having the thought means you could, potentially, do it. Without the thought, you can't do it. Simple. So, what if there are certain parts of the brain that light up on a brain scan when you think of sex with kids? Or killing a human being. Or sex with a woman? |
Looking at pics or staring at dressed children or liking the idea of having sex with children is not a threat, physically. |
So then it's an action? But the action would have greater consequences if they were a genetically identified pedophile. Would someone with "pedophile tendencies" on their profile be arrested if they spoke to children too often? What would be the threatening action that would trigger life behind bars? If someone was a genetically identified pedophile, wouldn't anything they do around children be potentially threatening? |
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How about Hans Christian Anderson? Would he not end up in prison too? No, there has to be some sexual intent, some attempt at physical contact to be legal considered as a pedophile suspect, right? Some attempt at making arrangements for a sexual encounter or something like that? |
. On the other hand, that statement by spunky assumes that someone can't cease to be a threat. . "So you're a pedophile too, TBone? I mean, you haven't acted on it yet, but I can see from your previous posts that you prefer the young ones. We judge people on what they do, not what they "are." To judge you need to prove action and usually intent as well. To deny that means you deny the entire legal system. Anyone have a better alternative?" . There's a big difference between "We" and "legal system". The definition of the word Pedophile doesn't mention courts or judges. . For all you know, I could be a pedophile. I haven't molested any children so far, so I can think dirty thoughts about the chilluns if I want. |
Maybe I need to hide the pics of my girls from tbone........... :P Seriously though, I don't know if you can cease to be attracted to children or not. I simply do not know. |
"No, there has to be some sexual intent, some attempt at physical contact" But, wouldn't a genetically identified pedophile (GIP) already have that intent, by definition? And, if so, what is the bar above which an action is an "attempt" at physical contact? I think, for a GIP, it could be set pretty low. Maybe the'd have to be registered with the state when they move into your neighborhood. Maybe they'd be arrested on suspicion if they drove too close to a school too many times. This kind of case law is already being laid for convicted pedophiles. It's set and ready to be applied as soon as a genetic test is discovered. |
. Not that anyone here is defending oppression based on genetics. |
the headlines keep saying "Jackson sought on charges.." as if they can't find him. maybe we'll get a pursuit ala OJ later today. THAT would make this interesting. A shoot out? Hostage crisis? Fuckin A man, entertain me you freaky sumvbitch |
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The only way I can think of is to start genetic scans of everyone in the country. Holy hell, talk about an invasion of privacy. Otherwise you have to wait until someone is suspected of child molestation, you have to have probable cause, then with probable cause, do the genetic scan. I know with the completion of the human genome mapping, we are hdeaded in this direction, and are talking about a very real subject. |
. They may not be able to stop being attracted to children, Spunk. But people can take control of their actions. |
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Maybe not for regular people, but for convicted pedophiles (and maybe in the future, GIPs) it could be. That's my point. "Holy hell, talk about an invasion of privacy." Yep. Genetic scanning could be started to insure health, to create personalized medicines, treatments, etc. Once the scan is done, it can be subject to subpoena. |
Anyway, standing and staring at the kids, maybe drooling and pulling your pud while you were at it, THAT would be a pretty good indication. You are probably right, tiggy. I really dont know enough to say much more then that. |
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Has anyone seen the military CAC's yet? |
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find out you're a GIP having never previously felt any tendencies in yourself |
I have noticed a strong change in my willingness to argue. I have also noticed a strange lack of panic over being on the verge of unemployment right before the Holidays kick in! |
zoloft takes the worry away mmm |
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will people just admit that if Jacko wasnt one of the most famous people in the world people wouldnt think twice about showing him any sympathy or wondering if he did it or not. |
I am wondering about the other stuff, since I am no longer cleared to hold some of the secrets I have, maybe I have to kill myself? Anyway, sorry I have found my mind wandering a bit today, trying to grasp, trying to get all this stuff done so I go home to eri, trying to arrange interviews for when I get back... See? There I go again. The Common access card is the predecesor to the new Civilian Driver's Liscence. It looks like those cards you get from Kinko or some pre-paid cards and even new credit cards. They have a smart chip on them. This smart chip can house your "certificate" as well as just about any bit of data that can be stored, retrieved, updated, and written to. Medical records, pay, you name it |
sorry had to |
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find out you're a GIP having never previously felt any tendencies in yourself" not that odd, i'd imagine, if you remember that so many bad things are genetic. Like how i could be an alcoholic right now, it seems to be in my genes. But i'm not. I'm wondering why they have to search MJ's property for a molestation charge? what are they looking for?? |
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but he should not be allowed near children- he may not even realize that he's dangerous |
With the amount of money he paid the last person who made this accusation, something should have occured to the boy. |
he is VERY MESSED UP he might be coming from the mindset that he is an innocent child himself and that no one understands when you're the ultimate victim how is it possible that you could be hurting someone else? |
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i dunno spunky. I got a parking ticket that i didn't deserve once, but i paid it off anyway. Who wants to go to court? ever? |
5'11" and 120 lbs. damn. |
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I am using a laptop with DSL internet access at a truck stop west of houston (167 miles from San Antonio) and just made that page this laptop's homepage!!!! I so feel like Captain Chaos!!!! Eri hit a very very good point. WTF is up with the mother? when are they going to investigate her? I understand the boy had cancer, and he (MJ) reportedly psuedo-adopted the family and bought the family a house and a car, and the boy's brother even called michael Daddy.... I was listening to Mike Reagan tonight, and a man called in and claimed to work for Neverland, and started talking about the fact that the family stayed in a cabin often, just before the caller just got cut off. |
Yes, but according to the BMI scale he's only 10% underweight. Ain't that fucked up? |
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I think BMI charts are all messed up, cuz it says that I am at 22% and slightly overweight at 120 lbs....and I am 5'1". So according to that crappy chart my ideal weight is 105 lbs....and at 106 everyone is talking about how skinny I am and how I look anorexic. |
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are all the charts different? my sister is now an 18.6 according to this thing and she does look too thin- but maybe just to me notice how i don't talk about my own stats :) |
how strange. |
what's strange? |
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not. |
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mj is definitely a freak, but i truly do not believe he is a child molester. |
Tell me about it. When I was 220lb, could bench press 315lb, and had washboard abs I was still "overweight." I mean, if I was under 200 where I'm "supposed" to be I'd feel like a scrawny starved out weakling girlyman. |
i used a different website yesterday and it told me my score was 18. WTF? Today i used this one |
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BMI is total bullshit, always has been. I still have some extra weight from college but I am certainly not fat. Even when I was in high school and I took part in the school play and was waifer thin from lots of stupid dance exercises and stuff I was still around 180 pounds. Those people who say they're big or heavy boned? Well, I'm actually one of them, legit. a lot of these charts are different and full of too many disclaimers to mention... and theres gonna be kids who are gonna look at this thing and think they're fat and go starve themselves... |
Blah. I honestly don't care about Michael Jackson. He can do what he wants and if he gets convicted that's his problem. Parents should be a little more wary about letting their kids hang out with someone who's known to be a child molester. Bam. |
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And 'healthy weight' is bullshit no matter what mathmatical equation you try and come up with... just because you're thin doesnt mean you're fit or healthy... I've known people you'd think are on the couch all night watching COPS who jog and are vegetarians and they can never get any thinner than a certain point. |
I think it's more of an issue of feeling healthy and being satified with who you are. </Mr. Rogers moment> |
So apparently me, who doesn't watch what I eat, and hardly every excersizes (unless you count chasing after the kids around the house) is on the low end of normal... I could be much healthier if I excercised more, drank less, quit smoking and ate healthier, but I would probably be concidered underweight, or overweight or something weird. If I am a lazy ass then I am normal... |
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At your next seance. |
your official "I didnt do it nobody saw me do it you cant prove anything" headquarters |
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oh, dude, not on the keyboard! |
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. Glogs? . Why would I wish you any harm? I don't even know you? |
http://www.io.com/~dork/pics/recpics/michael.jpg You're welcome |
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When the big hand is on the little hand. What does a Big Mac have in common with Michael Jackson? Both have 40-year-old meat in between 10-year-old buns. What's the difference between a plastic bag and Michael Jackson? One is white, made of sythetic materials, and a danger to little children. The other you can use carry things in. What's the difference between Neil Armstrong and Michael Jackson? Neil Armstrong was the first man on the moon; Michael Jackson molests little boys. Thank you! |
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have you seen the front cover of People magazine this week. a big head shot of Michael with the caption: Did He Do It? i am just disgusted in general by this whole thing. yes the man is weird and eccentric, just like most people who have absurd amounts of money and unhealthy amounts of fame. but he's been nothing if not a great humanitarian and i just refuse to believe he molests little kids. |
Till Proven Guilty? |
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a. his wealth combined with his personality leave him wide open for extortion, b. the representation of Jacko in the press, in general not just regarding the alleged molestation, is so sensational and ridiculous that his entire persona seems fictional to me. Nothing else feels "real" so why should this? but, c. I'm still a little creeped out that he sleeps in the same bed with kids that aren't his own. I can't help it. Maybe in some idealistic world, where adults never abused children, that would be okay, but as it stands, I believe that adult/child boundaries should be respected. But that does not make him guilty of child molestation, nor should it. Still, even if I knew for certain that he wasn't a child molester, I still wouldn't let my kid sleep in his bed. |
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What if this goes to trial, I mean who'll have to sit on that jury, what a nightmare. |
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this isn't a civil suit. this is a DA staking his career on a high publicity case. he'd be stupid to start this shitball rolling on trumped up charges. he might be stupid, though. i don't see why anyone cares. the only thing i care about is not being subjected to any more photos of michael jackson, that scary motherfucker. |
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