Wacko Jacko is in trouble again


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By spunky on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 12:58 pm:

    I am sure you have heard.

    I have a question, though.

    Is it possible he really just likes little kids?
    Not sexually, but like maybe he thinks he is a little one too, and wants to share his things with them?

    I know, that sounds bad, but maybe he has some mental thing were he is more comfortable around kids then adults.

    Still not sure why he dangled that baby over the balcony, however.


By J on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 01:07 pm:

    "but maybe he has some mental thing where he's more comfortable around kids than adults" yes Spunky we call that pedophilia. "maybe he thinks he is a little one too,and wants to share his things with them" that's probably why the cops are all over Neverland.


By spunky on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 01:10 pm:

    I knew that came out like that....


    I just meant maybe the guy is a nut ball who likes haveing non-sexual sleep overs with little ones.

    He is disturbed, but have there been any kids actually molested, or is it all just allegations?


By Antigone on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 01:17 pm:

    "'but maybe he has some mental thing where he's more comfortable around kids than adults' yes Spunky we call that pedophilia."

    Hmmmmmm...then all of the kindergarten teachers I know would be pedophiles...


By J on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 01:20 pm:

    Just cause they teach children doesn't mean they are more comfortable around children than adults Tiggy.


By Spider on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 01:21 pm:

    Come on now, we all know J is aware of the difference in mentality between someone who likes kids and someone who *likes* kids. It's well-documented that many pedophiles hang around children not just because they want access to their victims but because they see themselves as a child and don't feel comfortable around adults.


By Spider on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 01:26 pm:

    Egg-zactly.


By heather on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 02:13 pm:

    the kids have been able to describe MJ's
    genitalia and express what they did

    he sends their parents large sums of money
    and gifts

    is that enough?


By The Watcher on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 02:37 pm:

    I feel sorry for him.

    He never had a normal childhood. And, he has been making up for it for ages.

    Even if the worst is true. You have to ask this question. What were the parents of these kids thinking?

    Who here would let their kids spend the night alone with a 45 year old man they hardly knew at all? Especially after the prior alogations.


By J on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 02:42 pm:


By heather on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 02:46 pm:

    they were thinking...


    whoo! free babysitting and nifty presents for
    us!!! yahoo!!!!


By J on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 02:54 pm:

    They have an arrest warrant out for him now,good maybe now CPS will step in and take those poor kids of the way of that freak.Yea Watcher,what Heather said, pig parents pimping their kids for money,same goes for that wretched excuse of a mother that had those kids and sold them to him.


By J on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 02:55 pm:

    out of the way


By Antigone on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 03:06 pm:

    What I was saying was that many of the child care professionals I know, teachers and nannys and the like, have told me that they feel more comfortable around children than around most adults. Doesn't make them pedophiles.

    If there are concrete charges against Jackson and he is convicted in a court of law, then he is a pedophile. Not before.


By patrick on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 03:37 pm:

    the biggest drag of this new development, aside from the potential tragedy involved is the fact that we get to hear about Jacko for the next 6 months.

    Im so sick of celebrity mishaps and the prolonged coverage we get.


By heather on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 03:45 pm:

    "If there are concrete charges against Jackson
    and he is convicted in a court of law, then he is
    a pedophile. Not before."


    bullshit






By TBone on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 03:51 pm:

    He can be a pedophile, but not a conviced felon.
    .
    I mean, there's nothing illegal about being a pedophile if you refrain from abusing children.
    .
    It sounds like MJ might have molested children, but we won't know for sure in a legal sense unless he's convicted.


By semillama on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 04:06 pm:

    Anyone note that this was timed to coincide with the release of his new album?

    I'd almost say that character assassination is as likely a reason they're going after him as is a legitimate child abuse investigation. Society is not tolerant of high-profile nutjobs in Jackson's vein.


By spunky on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 04:06 pm:

    They have multiple counts of molestation, and a 3 million dollar bond.

    You can be a pedo without doing something illegal.
    Then you become a child molester or child rapist.

    Of course, possesing child porn is considered pedophilia as well, and you can be convicted of it.

    So, I guess the illegal form owuld be what, staring at kids who are clothed?


By spunky on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 04:07 pm:

    or rather the legal form.

    Would watching two underage kids, actually in person instead of on tape or avi or mpeg or whatever, having sex count as pedophilia?

    Just curious


By kazu on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 04:12 pm:

    I think the condition of being sexually attracted to children could mark one as a pedophile.


By spunky on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 04:20 pm:

    Yes, yes. BUT, is it ILLEGAL to be ATTRACTED to children, or is it not until you actually ACT on that attraction?

    I really don't understand the attraction anyway.
    But I don't understand the attraction one male has for another either, so who knows?

    And, is being attracted to a child different then being attracted to the same sex? Is it possible that this condition, in the same way as they say homosexuality is, something that is programmed into them, something in thier genetics that they have no control over?

    If that is so, then once one is identified, and is identified as a threat to children, then they should be locked up for life.


By Antigone on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 04:23 pm:

    "I'd almost say that character assassination is as likely a reason they're going after him as is a legitimate child abuse investigation."

    Yeah, sem. FoxNews and the whole Murdoch media empire have a thing against him. Not saying that charges aren't valid, but the whole Murdoch has a history of hyping any negative news of Jackson.

    Oh, and heather, you're a pedophile, right? If we don't need courts to bandy about that label, then we can apply it to whomever we choose.

    "I mean, there's nothing illegal about being a pedophile if you refrain from abusing children."

    So you're a pedophile too, TBone? I mean, you haven't acted on it yet, but I can see from your previous posts that you prefer the young ones.

    We judge people on what they do, not what they "are." To judge you need to prove action and usually intent as well. To deny that means you deny the entire legal system. Anyone have a better alternative?


By semillama on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 04:24 pm:

    It very well could be. You have to be carefull about using homosexuality as an analog to pedophilia, though. An equally valid analog would be to use heterosexuality, since no one debates that its "programmed" into the majority of us.


By spunky on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 04:30 pm:

    YOu can be a murderer all day long in your head. You can sit there and imagine killing thousands of people. I am not sure I would want to know you, but we cannot start arresting people for thier thoughts. How many men would be in jail for rape? You know we fantasize from time time to about having sex with someone. What if (as the case would be with me, I am sure) that sex act you just imagined was unwanted by the person you are fantasizing about?


    Of course you cannot arrest someone for the way they feel, they must act first on that action.


    And for the record, I did see two underage teens just the other day going at it while driving down the highway. Sillies, I was in my Ranger and could see the whole thing... So, in that instance it would not be pedo because I did not persuade it to happen nor did I seek it out.


By kazu on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 04:51 pm:

    Pedophiles are only pedophiles if the court says so. None of those priests, in fact no child-sexual abuser, is a pedophile until the courts say so.

    I wonder what victims think of that. I think what Heather meant is that a pedophile's actions can still exist outside of the court that convicts him or her. There are people who bear witness to pedophelia, even if no institutional authority acknolwedges it.


    Perhaps, there is a difference between public and private labeling. That is, I don't have the proof to convict my rapist in a public setting, but that doesn't mean that in lieu of a public conviction, I have to accept that he isn't a rapist. It just means that I have to find a different place (therapy, for example) to make that claim.


By kazu on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 04:57 pm:

    and let's just assume that kazu was using the first-person strategically thereas a way of grounding the question, not trying to make it personal. mmmmmkay?


By spunky on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 05:01 pm:

    I was wondering if you had been raped for a second there kaz.

    The courts have way too much power.
    Just because a court says you are or are not something does not make it so in reality. Just legally.


By Antigone on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 05:10 pm:

    First spunk, you say:
    "If that is so, then once one is identified, and is identified as a threat to children, then they should be locked up for life."

    Then, you say:
    "Of course you cannot arrest someone for the way they feel, they must act first on that action."

    Youf first point would lead directly to you second. If someone was genetically identified as a pedophile, wouldn't they immediately be judged as a "threat to children"?

    And, if you can lock someone up for something they might do (because they're genetically predisposed) then locking them up for their thoughts is not far behind. You can't perform an action without thinking it first. Having the thought means you could, potentially, do it. Without the thought, you can't do it. Simple.

    So, what if there are certain parts of the brain that light up on a brain scan when you think of sex with kids? Or killing a human being. Or sex with a woman?


By spunky on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 05:14 pm:

    a threat tig.
    Looking at pics or staring at dressed children or liking the idea of having sex with children is not a threat, physically.


By Antigone on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 05:28 pm:

    Being a threat and performing threatening actions are two different things.

    So then it's an action? But the action would have greater consequences if they were a genetically identified pedophile. Would someone with "pedophile tendencies" on their profile be arrested if they spoke to children too often? What would be the threatening action that would trigger life behind bars?

    If someone was a genetically identified pedophile, wouldn't anything they do around children be potentially threatening?


By Antigone on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 05:29 pm:

    Consider that convicted pedophiles are already treated this way in many states.


By spunky on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 05:36 pm:

    If Santa were real, then that would land his ass in jail.

    How about Hans Christian Anderson? Would he not end up in prison too?

    No, there has to be some sexual intent, some attempt at physical contact to be legal considered as a pedophile suspect, right? Some attempt at making arrangements for a sexual encounter or something like that?


By TBone on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 05:38 pm:

    Antigone, you're putting words in spunk's mouth. Part of his point was that just because someone is a pedophile, that doesn't make them a threat to children.
    .
    On the other hand, that statement by spunky assumes that someone can't cease to be a threat.
    .
    "So you're a pedophile too, TBone? I mean, you haven't acted on it yet, but I can see from your previous posts that you prefer the young ones.
    We judge people on what they do, not what they "are." To judge you need to prove action and usually intent as well. To deny that means you deny the entire legal system. Anyone have a better alternative?"
    .
    There's a big difference between "We" and "legal system". The definition of the word Pedophile doesn't mention courts or judges.
    .
    For all you know, I could be a pedophile. I haven't molested any children so far, so I can think dirty thoughts about the chilluns if I want.


By spunky on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 05:43 pm:

    Hmmm

    Maybe I need to hide the pics of my girls from tbone...........

    :P

    Seriously though, I don't know if you can cease to be attracted to children or not. I simply do not know.


By Anitgone on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 05:50 pm:

    Peter Pan would absolutely be in the clink.

    "No, there has to be some sexual intent, some attempt at physical contact"

    But, wouldn't a genetically identified pedophile (GIP) already have that intent, by definition? And, if so, what is the bar above which an action is an "attempt" at physical contact? I think, for a GIP, it could be set pretty low. Maybe the'd have to be registered with the state when they move into your neighborhood. Maybe they'd be arrested on suspicion if they drove too close to a school too many times.

    This kind of case law is already being laid for convicted pedophiles. It's set and ready to be applied as soon as a genetic test is discovered.


By TBone on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 05:53 pm:

    Desire != Intent
    .
    Not that anyone here is defending oppression based on genetics.


By patrick on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 05:58 pm:

    boring boring boring


    the headlines keep saying "Jackson sought on charges.."

    as if they can't find him.

    maybe we'll get a pursuit ala OJ later today.

    THAT would make this interesting. A shoot out? Hostage crisis?

    Fuckin A man, entertain me you freaky sumvbitch


By semillama on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 06:01 pm:


By spunky on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 06:01 pm:

    How do you identify them in the first place?

    The only way I can think of is to start genetic scans of everyone in the country.

    Holy hell, talk about an invasion of privacy.

    Otherwise you have to wait until someone is suspected of child molestation, you have to have probable cause, then with probable cause, do the genetic scan.


    I know with the completion of the human genome mapping, we are hdeaded in this direction, and are talking about a very real subject.


By TBone on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 06:03 pm:

    Driving by a school can hardly be considered 'Some attempt at making arrangements for a sexual encounter'.
    .
    They may not be able to stop being attracted to children, Spunk. But people can take control of their actions.


By TBone on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 06:05 pm:

    I hardly think it's fair to look at genes when investigating someone for a crime. IF pedophelia is is genetic, it doesn't mean ALL child molesters have this genetic predisposition. Likewise the reverse.


By Antigone on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 06:13 pm:

    "Driving by a school can hardly be considered 'Some attempt at making arrangements for a sexual encounter'."

    Maybe not for regular people, but for convicted pedophiles (and maybe in the future, GIPs) it could be. That's my point.

    "Holy hell, talk about an invasion of privacy."

    Yep. Genetic scanning could be started to insure health, to create personalized medicines, treatments, etc. Once the scan is done, it can be subject to subpoena.


By spunky on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 06:14 pm:

    Driving by a school is not an indication of intent. I drive by a school every day on my way home from work. Er, well, I used to...

    Anyway, standing and staring at the kids, maybe drooling and pulling your pud while you were at it, THAT would be a pretty good indication.

    You are probably right, tiggy. I really dont know enough to say much more then that.


By Antigone on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 06:27 pm:

    Naw, man, don't say that I'm right! Disagree some more, dammit. :P


By Antigone on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 06:28 pm:

    I'm genetically predisposed to argue. Please help me!


By spunky on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 06:29 pm:

    That I have no problem believing, tiggy.

    Has anyone seen the military CAC's yet?


By semilama on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 06:30 pm:

    There's probably a drug with a really stupid name for that...


By heather on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 06:32 pm:

    i wonder what it would be like to be like 40 and
    find out you're a GIP having never previously
    felt any tendencies in yourself


By spunky on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 06:33 pm:

    I think it is called Zoloft.

    I have noticed a strong change in my willingness to argue.

    I have also noticed a strange lack of panic over being on the verge of unemployment right before the Holidays kick in!


By heather on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 06:41 pm:

    yup

    zoloft takes the worry away


    mmm


By dave. on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 06:55 pm:

    gimme.


By Antigone on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 07:06 pm:

    What about the CAC, spunk?


By semillama on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 07:06 pm:

    that Z...


By Rowlf on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 07:22 pm:

    i'm gonna go out on a limb and say that if someone is attracted to children and they never act on it, they're not guilty of pedophilia. going after them would be going after a thoughtcrime, and I dont think anyone wants to go down that road...




    will people just admit that if Jacko wasnt one of the most famous people in the world people wouldnt think twice about showing him any sympathy or wondering if he did it or not.


By spunky on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 07:26 pm:

    the Common Access Card. That is the un-sensitive stuff I can yack about.

    I am wondering about the other stuff, since I am no longer cleared to hold some of the secrets I have, maybe I have to kill myself?

    Anyway, sorry I have found my mind wandering a bit today, trying to grasp, trying to get all this stuff done so I go home to eri, trying to arrange interviews for when I get back...
    See? There I go again.

    The Common access card is the predecesor to the new Civilian Driver's Liscence. It looks like those cards you get from Kinko or some pre-paid cards and even new credit cards. They have a smart chip on them. This smart chip can house your "certificate" as well as just about any bit of data that can be stored, retrieved, updated, and written to. Medical records, pay, you name it


By heather on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 07:45 pm:

    IT'S THE SIGN OF THE BEAST




    sorry

    had to


By Antigone on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 07:47 pm:

    I may be doing some smart card work soon. The card I'm going to work on will store medical records. That's what has put my mind on this stuff, I suppose.


By wisper on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 08:33 pm:

    "i wonder what it would be like to be like 40 and
    find out you're a GIP having never previously
    felt any tendencies in yourself"

    not that odd, i'd imagine, if you remember that so many bad things are genetic.

    Like how i could be an alcoholic right now, it seems to be in my genes. But i'm not.



    I'm wondering why they have to search MJ's property for a molestation charge?
    what are they looking for??


By TBone on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 08:34 pm:

    Sympathy? For a Jackson? Bah!


By spunky on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 10:08 pm:

    They found video tapes and letters between the boy and jacko.


By semillama on Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 02:04 pm:

    apparently he was plying the kid with pills and wine...


By Antigone on Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 02:31 pm:

    I'm not defending the guy, but you know that FoxNews has something against him when the captions of their storys about him (running constantly on the ticker) read "Jacko Hunted" and the like. Jacko this and Jacko that. If they were actually impartial they would use his name.


By heather on Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 02:35 pm:

    i have plenty of sympathy for him

    but he should not be allowed near children-
    he may not even realize that he's dangerous


By spunky on Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 03:49 pm:

    Sorry Heather but I have to disagree.
    With the amount of money he paid the last person who made this accusation, something should have occured to the boy.


By heather on Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 04:05 pm:

    by the boy- do you mean MJ?

    he is VERY MESSED UP
    he might be coming from the mindset that he
    is an innocent child himself and that no one
    understands

    when you're the ultimate victim how is it
    possible that you could be hurting someone
    else?


By eri on Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 04:14 pm:

    My question is concidering that he had paid so much in the past to shut up the other little boys allegations....and this was common knowledge all over the news at the time....WHY IN HELL would this kids parents let their son be alone with a man who is a known pedophile and in denial of his pedophelia? Any way you look at it chances are their son is going to get hurt by this man....so WTF were the parents thinking? It's OK if he molests my son as long as I get a good payoff for it? What?


By wisper on Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 07:08 pm:

    "With the amount of money he paid the last person who made this accusation, something should have occured to the boy."

    i dunno spunky.
    I got a parking ticket that i didn't deserve once, but i paid it off anyway.
    Who wants to go to court? ever?


By dave. on Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 08:31 pm:


By TBone on Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 11:30 pm:

    Dude, he looks like a mask.


By Rowlf on Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 11:47 pm:

    His eyes are maybe the scariest part of his face...


By spunky on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 05:52 am:

    HEHEHE......

    I am using a laptop with DSL internet access at a truck stop west of houston (167 miles from San Antonio) and just made that page this laptop's homepage!!!!

    I so feel like Captain Chaos!!!!

    Eri hit a very very good point.

    WTF is up with the mother? when are they going to investigate her?

    I understand the boy had cancer, and he (MJ) reportedly psuedo-adopted the family and bought the family a house and a car, and the boy's brother even called michael Daddy....

    I was listening to Mike Reagan tonight, and a man called in and claimed to work for Neverland, and started talking about the fact that the family stayed in a cabin often, just before the caller just got cut off.


By Antigone on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 01:31 pm:

    "5'11" and 120 lbs. damn."

    Yes, but according to the BMI scale he's only 10% underweight. Ain't that fucked up?


By semillama on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 01:56 pm:

    I wonder if the height is natural? or if that's been augmented. Nah, you'd think he would be an even 6' if it were that.


By Nate on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 02:01 pm:

    he looks like an old woman. his face is a crime scene.


By eri on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 03:54 pm:

    His face is a crime scene.....That's great.

    I think BMI charts are all messed up, cuz it says that I am at 22% and slightly overweight at 120 lbs....and I am 5'1". So according to that crappy chart my ideal weight is 105 lbs....and at 106 everyone is talking about how skinny I am and how I look anorexic.


By Spider on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 04:04 pm:

    The BMI charts don't take into account muscle weight, either. Bodybuilders will register as obese on that scale.


By heather on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 04:20 pm:

    the one i looked at said 18.5-24.9 is normal

    are all the charts different?

    my sister is now an 18.6 according to this
    thing and she does look too thin- but maybe
    just to me

    notice how i don't talk about my own stats :)


By Nate on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 04:30 pm:

    23.2

    how strange.


By heather on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 05:01 pm:

    are you talking about yourself?

    what's strange?


By Nate on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 05:11 pm:

    i'm normal.


By sarah on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 06:08 pm:


    not.





By sarah on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 06:10 pm:


    mj is definitely a freak, but i truly do not believe he is a child molester.




By dave. on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 06:16 pm:


By Antigone on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 06:35 pm:

    "Bodybuilders will register as obese on that scale."

    Tell me about it. When I was 220lb, could bench press 315lb, and had washboard abs I was still "overweight." I mean, if I was under 200 where I'm "supposed" to be I'd feel like a scrawny starved out weakling girlyman.


By wisper on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 06:36 pm:

    23.6


    i used a different website yesterday and it told me my score was 18. WTF?
    Today i used this one



By patrick on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 06:58 pm:

    23.8 slightly under normal.


By dave. on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 07:00 pm:

    wooo! i'm double normal!


By Rowlf on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 08:01 pm:

    30.07 - obese. yah right.

    BMI is total bullshit, always has been. I still have some extra weight from college but I am certainly not fat. Even when I was in high school and I took part in the school play and was waifer thin from lots of stupid dance exercises and stuff I was still around 180 pounds. Those people who say they're big or heavy boned? Well, I'm actually one of them, legit.

    a lot of these charts are different and full of too many disclaimers to mention... and theres gonna be kids who are gonna look at this thing and think they're fat and go starve themselves...


By Lapis on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 10:02 pm:

    There's no magic two number system to determine if you're at a healthy weight or not.

    Blah.

    I honestly don't care about Michael Jackson. He can do what he wants and if he gets convicted that's his problem. Parents should be a little more wary about letting their kids hang out with someone who's known to be a child molester. Bam.


By Nate on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 10:29 pm:

    for once i'm normal and you all try to destroy me!


By Rowlf on Friday, November 21, 2003 - 11:47 pm:

    "There's no magic two number system to determine if you're at a healthy weight or not"

    And 'healthy weight' is bullshit no matter what mathmatical equation you try and come up with... just because you're thin doesnt mean you're fit or healthy... I've known people you'd think are on the couch all night watching COPS who jog and are vegetarians and they can never get any thinner than a certain point.


By Lapis on Saturday, November 22, 2003 - 12:58 am:

    <Mr. Rogers moment>

    I think it's more of an issue of feeling healthy and being satified with who you are.

    </Mr. Rogers moment>


By eri on Saturday, November 22, 2003 - 05:04 pm:

    That link up there said I was 19.4. My doctors says I am at 18. It's all different and unreliable to a certain extent.

    So apparently me, who doesn't watch what I eat, and hardly every excersizes (unless you count chasing after the kids around the house) is on the low end of normal...

    I could be much healthier if I excercised more, drank less, quit smoking and ate healthier, but I would probably be concidered underweight, or overweight or something weird. If I am a lazy ass then I am normal...


By J on Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 12:52 pm:


By V.v. on Monday, November 24, 2003 - 01:47 am:

    Eri,i see some ol,French gal has just died at the age of 122,and she was smoking up to the age of 120,enough said?rock till you drop.


By TBone on Monday, November 24, 2003 - 11:15 am:

    Smoking cuts your life expectancy considerably.


By semillama on Monday, November 24, 2003 - 12:08 pm:

    Just ask my grandma.


    At your next seance.


By Rowlf on Monday, November 24, 2003 - 12:32 pm:

    http://www.mjnews.us

    your official "I didnt do it nobody saw me do it you cant prove anything" headquarters


By V.v. on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 12:37 am:

    TBone,your just hoping v.v.pops his glogs real soon,right?i just love a challange.


By jack on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 12:49 am:

    apparently not.



By V.v. on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 02:04 am:

    Apparently yes.


By jack on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 02:05 am:

    your voluminous posts here attest otherwise.


By wisper on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 02:14 am:

    "your just hoping v.v.pops his glogs real soon,right?"

    oh, dude, not on the keyboard!


By semillama on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 11:27 am:


By V.v. on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 11:51 pm:

    Jack,save up a few bucks and see a shrink.


By V.v. on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 11:55 pm:

    Wisper,no problemo...respect.


By V.v. on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 12:07 am:

    sem,evil as allways,but nice with it!!!


By TBone on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 11:07 am:

    "your just hoping v.v.pops his glogs real soon,right?"
    .
    Glogs?
    .
    Why would I wish you any harm? I don't even know you?


By Rowlfe on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 06:10 pm:


By Cv.v. on Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 12:07 am:

    TBone,o.k.by me.


By TBone on Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 07:18 pm:

    What?


By Rowlfe on Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 11:37 pm:

    Que?


By TBone on Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 11:42 pm:

    Nani?


By David on Friday, November 28, 2003 - 12:37 am:

    Alvin!!!


By J on Friday, November 28, 2003 - 02:42 pm:

    Which Michael Jackson are you? I'm the king of pop:the Michael Jackson people remember and respect.You're still black and your nose is all natural.People everywhere hound you because your life is awesome and legendary.Be sure to have fun before the whole world starts hating you. http://www.liquidgeneration.com/quiz/jackson_quiz.asp


By eri on Friday, November 28, 2003 - 11:21 pm:

    J, I took that test and got the exact same answer......cool.


By semillama on Friday, December 5, 2003 - 10:32 am:

    When is bedtime at Neverland Ranch?


    When the big hand is on the little hand.


    What does a Big Mac have in common with Michael Jackson?


    Both have 40-year-old meat in between 10-year-old buns.


    What's the difference between a plastic bag and Michael Jackson?


    One is white, made of sythetic materials, and a danger to little children. The other you can use carry things in.


    What's the difference between Neil Armstrong and Michael Jackson?

    Neil Armstrong was the first man on the moon; Michael Jackson molests little boys.


    Thank you!


By sarah on Friday, December 5, 2003 - 04:58 pm:


    have you seen the front cover of People magazine this week. a big head shot of Michael with the caption:

    Did He Do It?



    i am just disgusted in general by this whole thing. yes the man is weird and eccentric, just like most people who have absurd amounts of money and unhealthy amounts of fame. but he's been nothing if not a great humanitarian and i just refuse to believe he molests little kids.





By wisper on Friday, December 5, 2003 - 07:26 pm:

    i agree.


    Till Proven Guilty?


By Antigone on Saturday, December 6, 2003 - 03:59 pm:

    Of course. It would take an airtight case to convict him. He's got the best defence money can buy.


By kazu on Saturday, December 6, 2003 - 04:36 pm:

    The way I see it:

    a. his wealth combined with his personality leave him wide open for extortion,

    b. the representation of Jacko in the press, in general not just regarding the alleged molestation, is so sensational and ridiculous that his entire persona seems fictional to me. Nothing else feels "real" so why should this?

    but,

    c. I'm still a little creeped out that he sleeps in the same bed with kids that aren't his own. I can't help it. Maybe in some idealistic world, where adults never abused children, that would be okay, but as it stands, I believe that adult/child boundaries should be respected.


    But that does not make him guilty of child molestation, nor should it.


    Still, even if I knew for certain that he wasn't a child molester, I still wouldn't let my kid sleep in his bed.



By hetaher on Saturday, December 6, 2003 - 04:54 pm:

    that's what i'm sayin


By kazu on Saturday, December 6, 2003 - 04:56 pm:

    ...of course, by the time I have kids, that man's face is going collapse into itself, making him scary to everyone.


    What if this goes to trial, I mean who'll have to sit on that jury, what a nightmare.


By eri on Saturday, December 6, 2003 - 11:05 pm:

    OK, Kazu, I see your point, and I guess that I think very similarly. Who the fuck knows if he really did do this, I mean, it would be so easy to say it to extort money out of him. But at the same time, he is very weird, and I already have two beautiful kids, and if I allow myself to think that he's innocent then mentally I feel like I am putting my own children at risk. Concidering the claims against him, I would be stupid to let him anywhere near my kids. So I flip flop. Because, it would be nice to think he isn't a pedophile, but at the same time, as a parent it would be stupid. Especially concidering how weird he acts in public. It just doesn't work well for him.


By Anitgone on Tuesday, December 9, 2003 - 07:41 pm:

    Well, the charges look like bullshit now...


By Nate on Tuesday, December 9, 2003 - 09:53 pm:

    i don't see how a 'leaked memo' confirmed by an 'anonymous source' makes anything look like bullshit.

    this isn't a civil suit. this is a DA staking his career on a high publicity case. he'd be stupid to start this shitball rolling on trumped up charges.

    he might be stupid, though.

    i don't see why anyone cares.

    the only thing i care about is not being subjected to any more photos of michael jackson, that scary motherfucker.


By semillama on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 10:01 am:

    hear hear. He's starting to look like a cross between a Moria orc and a Precious Moments figurine.


By Rowlfe on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 07:12 pm:

    know whats good about not watching tv for around a month? for a little while I forgot jackson was in trouble.


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