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"WASHINGTON -- Republican staff members of the US Senate Judiciary Commitee infiltrated opposition computer files for a year, monitoring secret strategy memos and periodically passing on copies to the media, Senate officials told The Globe." |
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I'm not seeing this on any major news thing yet. when did this break? bizarre item of the day someone set Dean's Iowa speech, highlighting the "Scream" to music. http://homepage.mac.com/jonathanbarlow/.Public/howarddean.mp3 or theres the alternative "house" version http://homepage.mac.com/lileks/.Public/Yeagh.mp3 |
I mean, compare that to John Edwards speech, which was so movie cookie cutter presidential 'hope' 'i have a vision' speech. I dont remember one word of what Kerry said. All I can do is look at him and say "man, with that face he should be an undertaker" |
Joe Conason's column in Salon picked it up: "Those memos were leaked to 'conservative-leaning' journalists, including the editors of the Washington Times and the Wall Street Journal's editorial page staff. Senate Democrats believe that they were also used by Novak to write a column last February exposing their strategy to defeat Bush judicial nominee Miguel Estrada. Novak published direct quotes and descriptions of meetings that appear to have come from the purloined documents. The investigation by the Senate sergeant-at-arms and the Secret Service has led to the seizure of computers from the Judiciary Committee and the office of Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist. Whether criminal charges are eventually brought against anyone who misused the files may depend on legal interpretations. The Globe reports that the internal Democratic files became accessible because of a glitch in systems set up by a consultant hired in 2001 by then-Judiciary Committee chair Patrick Leahy, D-Vt." |
another damning Dean speech article... see, everyones saying that he was angry in that speech, when I thought he looked really happy and was trying to get his supporters feeling good... |
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you know, I think the Democrats are more afraid he'll take over the DNC then that he'll lose the race. They're establishment fucks who dont like that Dean is calling them on their pussy-ass behaviour and they simply dont want to change... even though its 'change or die' time for the Dems. for real. It really is like Bob Roberts vs. Brickley Paiste. The Paiste may be more qualified and smarter and finds issues complex, but he lacks character and wont fight back and thats why the Bob Roberts wins. And even if they get rid of Dean, I already know theres a nice load of dirt they can dig up on Kerry, some of it fair, and some of it very unfair. NO MORE FUCKING BRICKLEY PAISTES |
couldnt agree more about edwards. Dean needs to keep from imploding right now. I thought his speech was hilarious. Just goes to show how fickle and sheep like people can be. reality is. Bush is in for 4 more. You know it. |
- Howard Dean you cant say Dean is coached. You know, maybe the press backlash will have a backlash. I mean, the media fucking hated Gore but he didnt get this sort of treatment. I think people who actually see him speak will go "what are these assholes talking about?" hey sem, have you noticed that Dean looks like Hardcore Holly? You know, a month ago I'd have agreed Bush would win no matter what, but the jump he took after he caught Bin La....er... Saddam has already disappeared. Unless he drags out Bin Laden the week before the election, it could be close no matter what asshat (haha wisper hope you read this I used the forbidden term) they put against Bush. Even Sharpton. Even Kucinich. Simply because theres millions of voters out there who are going to vote against Bush just because its Bush. And then theres the 2.3 million people who lost their jobs who might blame him. Theres the 10% of the population who realize that he would put a constitutional amendment against their civil rights. Theres a youth movement of people who otherwise wouldnt vote. Yes, all it takes for Bush to lose is the right people to get out and vote. But not for Lieberman. Fuck that fuck. I heard this other conspiracy theory the other day that was rather brilliant. That Bush should have his cronies say the week of the election that terrorists are targeting the polls... heh. While thats one way to keep people home, wouldnt work. The only ones still buying that fear shit are the ones who'd vote for him. anyways, we'll see what happens with this Watergate-esque story. May not get covered. No reason why it shouldnt be, I'm just used to this sort of thing from your media outlets now. |
just cause Bush's reelection at this point seems to rely on peoples fear for their own safety, their greed, their racist hatred of Arabs, and their hatred of gay people. Now dont take that to mean Bush himself is actually racist against Arabs, i mean he certainly has no problem doing business with them.. and etc. - but he is counting on these types of people to "re" elect him. With all the attacks against whoever will be made the Democratic candidate, they're all going to ask and accuse and wonder if this person is credible. What they arent going to ask is "but what makes him worse than Bush?" |
http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2004/01/22/dean2/index.html |
I just don't understand that big deal. But then again, I dont wear a tie to work and havent for years. |
Before Clinton, there was actually some respect and prestige associated with that post. |
times have changed. there's nothing to implicate disrespect to the office in his empassioned campaign rally speech. You can be professional and not be so ridiculously uptight at the same time. It was a campaign *rally* *RALLY*!!!! Ever been to a pep rally? The girls wear short skirts, the guys wear jerseys and people yell and scream. Its not like he was giving that speech in front of congress. But then again, maybe the Bruce Springsteen that constantly blares at any given politcal function is a bit too disrespectful of the Office. You know that Springsteen guy has holes in his jeans and wears bandanas Nothing. Much to do about nothing. |
ROWLF SAID THE FORBIDDEN WORD! |
But I find it funny what conservatives find "presidential." It's presidential for Bush to be bumbling and a "good ol' boy." Shit, there was even a presidential spin put on him falling, hitting his head on a coffee table, while choking on a pretzel. But it's not presidential for Dean to be angry or enthusiastic about the issues? Riiiight. |
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but now the way to get elected is to stay off policy topics. shit, look at arnold. he never gave any details about anything. bush is the same way. i dare him to discuss, in detail, what kind of systemic effect his administration's policies will have on all the different levels. dean could. gore could. clinton could. any of the democratic contenders could. bush? no way. he's a fucking window licker. |
Don't forget Nixon, and heck, Andrew Jackson basically threw a kegger on the White House lawn when he won. |
Presidential? |
Stand by your man '04 Judy Dean's TV moment: She loves her work and her husband and doesn't love the spotlight. What could be more normal? - - - - - - - - - - - - By Rebecca Traister Jan. 23, 2004 | Last night Dr. Judith Steinberg Dean was finally, inevitably wheeled out for closer inspection by the nation's television audience, in an ABC "Primetime Live" interview with Diane Sawyer that had been hastily thrown together in the preceding 24 hours. It seemed sad that it had come to this so soon -- that America couldn't wait even a few more weeks to set its eyes and sink its teeth into the woman who has dared to say "No thanks" to the idea of trading her medical practice and home life for a ride on the Dean campaign bus. Steinberg Dean has staunchly refused to sacrifice her Vermont patients or the time with her 17-year-old son for the excitement of her husband's presidential bid, which until recently had been shaking with the energy of a Bruce Springsteen tour. The television interview followed her surprise cameo in Iowa the day before the Dean upset, when it had looked as though it might have required the jaws of life to pull her from her examining room and deposit her on the podium. But on television for the first time last night, Judy Steinberg Dean -- forced to perform the humiliating task of introducing herself, explaining away her enthusiasm for her own career, and affirming for all of America that, yes, she does love her husband -- acquitted herself quite beautifully. It was 12 years, practically to the day, since Bill and Hillary Clinton had performed the same sort of public service for voters, appearing together on "60 Minutes" to explain away some nasty floozy rumors. Even Diane Sawyer felt compelled to make this meta-media comparison, asking the Deans whether this was a strategic repeat of that "Stand By Your Man" episode. (Note to Diane: ix-nay on the media transparency. Just smile big and remember that you kicked Couric and Walters' asses on this one.) But the vast divide between the Deans and the Clintons was clear as soon as ABC flashed a few seconds of that 1992 interview. There was dowdy old head-banded Hillary, sitting a chilly inch-and-a-half from her sexy hangdog husband. But wow, that un-chic Wellesley girl looked like a teal-clad, heavily rouged Baby Jane when flashed next to the comfy Doctor Judy, snuggled in a red sweater under her husband's arm. Steinberg Dean is toothy; she doesn't seem to use much hair product; her face shows her age. It was both fun and horrifying to imagine her dismay at being set on by a team of eager ABC makeup artists, dying to go where only Noxzema has been before. It was also sad to watch her being forced to look at a photo -- the only photo? -- of Laura Bush in evening wear. Sawyer, who didn't even bother to disguise her doubts, wondered aloud how the doctor might feel about having to dress up or look pretty in public. But when Steinberg Dean opened her mouth to reassure Mrs. Mike Nichols, who was pretending to be confused about that crazy "feminist who uses her maiden name professionally and her married name personally" thing, "I'm Judy Dean," it was clear that Judy was going to be just fine. Yeah, her voice is nasal and straight out of Long Island. She sounded like my mom's best friend Diane, or as one friend said, "she's like my gynecologist from high school." For someone who has never been in front of the camera before, she was remarkably cool. She giggled, and smiled a warm grin that lit up her whole face, exposed her healthy overbite, and had nothing in common with the icily perfect smiles of Elizabeth Dole or Nancy Reagan. She knew to look at the camera steadily; she didn't stammer or stutter; when she spoke to or about her husband, she looked at him. When cornered about whether or not he was "overcoming his reluctance" to ask his wife to join the campaign trail, he said he'd done that when he asked her to come to Iowa; he said he'd noticed that she'd actually had an OK time, and it looked like she agreed with him. Dean should have been nervous about trotting this shy, untrained fawn into the blinking TV lights. He should have been worried that she would screw up; he should have been eager to maintain control of the interview. But he didn't interrupt her -- he let her talk until she was done with whatever she had to say. He looked at her with respect, nodded in agreement, and always checked to see if she had something to say before beginning to speak himself. It was clear that Howard Dean trusted his wife. None of Judy's answers was exactly polished, or particularly politic. She confessed that the YEEEARGH! tape "looked kinda silly." And when asked why she'd decided to appear, instead of announcing that it had been her idea, she honestly replied, "Howard asked me to do this interview." But her lack of savvy made her other declarations, like, "I'm not a very 'thing' person" -- after being unaccountably quizzed about having accepted and been pleased by a rhododendron from Dean on her birthday -- ring true, even for the most cynical viewer. As for the squashed cupcakes and family bike rides: I think we have no choice but to believe the Deans. Who would make up something so deeply geeky? And seeing the good doctor walk and talk makes it clear that this is not a wife who is going to take to media coaching. Can you see her before the interview, surrounded by a pack of cutthroat campaign advisors, urging her, "Whatever you do, bring up the cupcakes!"? No, I think it's fair to say that every year, when Judy Steinberg's birthday rolls around, her family goes on a bike ride and eats cupcakes. But all the cupcakes and rhododendrons and unmailed important packages were window dressing. What Howard Dean's wife apparently cares about, what she got animated discussing, was her work as a doctor. "I love my job," she said simply, repeatedly. "I love Howard too," she said once. Her hands remained cupped on her lap, waiting for his paw to return to its cradle after he was done gesticulating. When she said that if her "husband calls on a Saturday" and she can make her schedule work, "I'll be there on Sunday," he reached over and scratched her right shoulder in thanks. As eager as we all may be to turn Judy Steinberg Dean into a symbol of something -- to tattoo "cold careerist bitch," "feminist role model" or "passive-aggressive wife" onto her body -- it turns out that she may just be a boring, sweet, smart Jewish girl who loves her family and her work. Journalists like me and Jodi Wilgoren and Maureen Dowd -- people who obviously like attention and are fascinated by power -- cannot fathom why a woman wouldn't be thrilled to be in the center of a political lightning storm. We try to cast her and re-cast her, chew on this mystery meat until we can name her. But that exercise apparently reveals more about us than it does about our subject. |
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Three times in the short article they called Dean's Iowa loss "disastrous". Whats disastrous about coming in third? someone has to. Dont these fucktards know that only half the time whoever wins the first caucus ends up getting the nomination? "turning his campaign around"? WTF? Its all perception and these attacks have nothing to do with what he's actually saying.. you know, i really think there could be a backlash against the Dean coverage, because already even more than Gore's "exaggerations", this is a smear campaign, and I was only so-so with Dean a weak ago, but now I hope he wins the nomination out of spite for the press. |
Hardcore Holly? ? |
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come find me. |