moral gatekeeper


sorabji.com: Reasons to be cheerful: moral gatekeeper
THIS IS A READ-ONLY ARCHIVE FROM THE SORABJI.COM MESSAGE BOARDS (1995-2016).

By agatha on Sunday, June 10, 2001 - 02:08 pm:

    As the newly appointed moral gatekeeper here at sorabji, I thought it would be helpful if we established a covenant of rules with respect to our communication here- you know, to give us some guidelines as to what is and is NOT appropriate for mention on sorabji.com.

    I'll start off with a few to get our creative juices flowing:

    *Thou shalt beat a dead horse whenever possible.
    *Thou shalt not make random accusatory statements without expecting to defend them at some point in time.
    *Thou shalt eat hot fuck and/or glass when necessary.
    *Thou shalt only write in a form that uses ellipses and/or much spacing between lines for dramatic pausing effects.
    *Thou shalt disagree frequently and fervidly to create long, exciting threads that take ten minutes each to load.

    Next?


By Czarina on Sunday, June 10, 2001 - 03:02 pm:

    Thou shall not take the name of Mark Thomas in vain.


By agatha on Sunday, June 10, 2001 - 03:16 pm:

    Well done, Czarina.


By patrick on Sunday, June 10, 2001 - 09:04 pm:

    i reserve my right to beat dead horses and eat mark thomas for lunch.










    with hot sauce on top............god dammit!


By semillama on Monday, June 11, 2001 - 09:40 am:

    Thou WILT be heckled severely for mistaking gender identities of any regular inhabitant.

    .
    .
    .




By sarah on Monday, June 11, 2001 - 01:48 pm:


    Thou shalt relentlessly taunt, punish, torment, humiliate, and tease all newcomers.




By semillama on Monday, June 11, 2001 - 03:22 pm:

    When in doubt, Thou shalt eat pussy.


By AGATHA on Monday, June 11, 2001 - 03:41 pm:

    YES.


By Trace on Monday, June 11, 2001 - 03:45 pm:

    ?


By sarah on Monday, June 11, 2001 - 03:48 pm:


    nate!




By semillama on Monday, June 11, 2001 - 04:21 pm:

    Who?


By Trace on Monday, June 11, 2001 - 04:23 pm:

    what?


By Cat on Monday, June 11, 2001 - 05:38 pm:

    Thou shalt make only general snide remarks and never name names lest people get the chance to defend themselves.


By agatha on Tuesday, June 12, 2001 - 12:33 am:

    Excellent example of said behavior, Cat. Well done.


By Nate on Tuesday, June 12, 2001 - 11:22 am:

    FUCK ASS EACH AND EVERY ONE.


By Czarina on Tuesday, June 12, 2001 - 11:32 am:

    Thou shall fuck no ass,untill its time.


By Cat on Tuesday, June 12, 2001 - 05:11 pm:

    It's always a good time for twisty-turny buttsex.

    That's the maxim I try to live by anyway. I've got it on needlepoint on cushions.


By Nate on Tuesday, June 12, 2001 - 05:48 pm:

    twisty-turny? like when you get fucked in the ass by a wild boar?

    (corkscrew penis, 64cm erect)


By patrick on Tuesday, June 12, 2001 - 05:49 pm:

    jesus nate you know some distrubing information.


By Nate on Tuesday, June 12, 2001 - 05:53 pm:

    you would too, man. you would too.


By Czarina on Tuesday, June 12, 2001 - 09:21 pm:

    Its true! Pigs do have curly-cue penis's[peni?].

    I had a potbelly pig once,and it had carnal knowledge of our basketball,and I was amazed when I saw his member.I wonder why no one ever told me about it before.


By Trace on Wednesday, June 13, 2001 - 12:33 pm:

    Thou shalt stab eachother in the back if it is funny


By Trace on Wednesday, June 13, 2001 - 12:34 pm:

    Advice:
    TRUST NOBODY
    THE TRUTH IS NOT HERE


By J on Wednesday, June 13, 2001 - 02:54 pm:

    Make sure you always have clean underwear,if some ass sex happens,make sure you have a spare pair to change into,to advoid those tacky skid-marks.


By Nate on Wednesday, June 13, 2001 - 03:08 pm:

    tacky in the style sense, or tacky in the sticky sense?


By semillama on Wednesday, June 13, 2001 - 03:29 pm:

    Both I would expect.


By Nate on Wednesday, June 13, 2001 - 03:37 pm:

    expect nothing and expect everything!


By wisper on Wednesday, June 13, 2001 - 09:02 pm:

    don't panic


By dave. on Wednesday, June 13, 2001 - 09:40 pm:

    act like you know.


By Czarina on Thursday, June 14, 2001 - 12:52 am:

    Always be prepared..............


By agatha on Thursday, June 14, 2001 - 02:09 am:

    these are all very good, especially trace's:
    stab each other in the back if it is funny.

    trace is really coming along quite nicely. i like the way you've been questioning your realities lately, mr. republican.


By sarah on Wednesday, June 20, 2001 - 03:15 pm:


    Whenever two or more sorabjiites meet for the first time, there shall be sex.




By Spider on Wednesday, June 20, 2001 - 03:21 pm:

    There was no sex when Semillama and I met. Does this mean we've committed a sin?


By Nate on Wednesday, June 20, 2001 - 03:26 pm:

    i didn't have sex with antigone or chordata, either.


By Sadspunky on Wednesday, June 20, 2001 - 03:31 pm:

    Hey....
    I have had no part of that action!


By patrick on Wednesday, June 20, 2001 - 03:49 pm:

    im not fucking nate should i ever meet him, nor antigone, nor any of you other freaks.


    but im happy to watch.


By sarah on Wednesday, June 20, 2001 - 04:31 pm:

    but you took nudie pics of chordata, so that sorta counts.


    i didn't have sex with sheila. we all break the rules, though, it's ok.









By Nate on Wednesday, June 20, 2001 - 04:34 pm:

    i didn't take nudie pics of chordata! did i? maybe i did.

    we were on the beach at one point and this little fishing boat came up just off shore. she took off all her clothes and started jumping up and down and waving.

    where is that psycho chick? where do all the good sorabjiites go?


By sarah on Wednesday, June 20, 2001 - 05:23 pm:


    chordata's at hippyflip.com i think.

    and after i posted that, i started really missing sheila bad. i miss her stories, her life, her WAYD posts.





By Nate on Wednesday, June 20, 2001 - 06:03 pm:

    but she ain't here.


    ...

    damn, i'm descending.
    good thing i'm listening to the smiths.


By semillama on Wednesday, June 20, 2001 - 06:09 pm:

    Yeah.

    Where is everyone? We've seemed to have lost swine, R. C., Sheila, Gee, Chordata, Markus, and several other interesting and cool folks. Glad to see Jimbabe back though. I forgot how funny that guy is.


By patrick on Wednesday, June 20, 2001 - 06:19 pm:

    im still here!!


    YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!


    *ducks*


By wisper on Wednesday, June 20, 2001 - 06:26 pm:

    yay for patrick!

    i miss swine. I was thinking about that last night while idley driving around. It came like a bolt from the clouds: SWINE LIVES.

    then i had a cigarette. was it good for you?
    maybe blindswine and Mark are hiding together, in a rose coloured cottage on a green hill.

    awwwwwwwww


By sarah on Wednesday, June 20, 2001 - 08:16 pm:


    k and i listened to the smiths a lot while we were in kauai. we sang to each other.




By agatha on Wednesday, June 20, 2001 - 09:07 pm:

    sarah, you implied by your post that you and heather had sex. did you mean to?

    no sex was had by swine and i, or swine and dave, or tbone and dave, or cyst and i, or mark and i. for the record.

    although, swine and dave and i did get riproaring drunk, which was fun.


By sarah on Wednesday, June 20, 2001 - 09:35 pm:


    i didn't mean to imply anything. i usually say what i mean.

    there was a time when i would have loved to meet swine. and what i'm implying when i say "meet" is really "fuck".

    though i'm sure getting riproaring drunk with him also would be super.




By DaniKellyKim on Wednesday, June 20, 2001 - 10:29 pm:

    Well hell, I'm still here and I just KNOW that everyone misses me when I dont appear for a few months!!!!!!!!!!!
    All the GOOD people dont just "vanish" from WAYD forever....they just take a little vacation, like me!!!!!
    I am sooooooooooooooo missing all of good ole Shelia's GOOSE postings..like I KNOW you all are also. Like when the geese hump and give birth...that information gave meaning to my usual BORING and "TIRESOME" life. Oh Shelia, PLEASE come back and make everything ok.


By Dani on Wednesday, June 20, 2001 - 10:35 pm:

    Wait.......this damn Gator thing keeps putting my user names everywhere......that was me, DANI...make no mistake. I do not ever hide my identity. Just to clarify.


By Spider on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 08:45 am:

    I miss Gee.

    *sigh*


By Spunky on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 09:19 am:

    I miss Mavis and Tbone


By agatha on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 10:33 am:

    nelly. spiracle.


By patrick on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 11:33 am:

    markus
    margret


    i love getting my ass ripped by her. she's far more qualified to rip me one then any of you.


By dave. on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 01:00 pm:

    than


By Nate on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 01:16 pm:

    the mountain is far more qualified than the building when it comes to being taller than the ant.

    wtf.


By Nate on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 01:17 pm:

    i miss ______.




By sarah on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 01:45 pm:


    ASS SEX.





By sarah on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 01:47 pm:


    sorry. just trying to bring some levity to the situation. i know how you feel.




By sarah on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 01:53 pm:


    have mercy, baby
    i'm decending again
    open your eyes, baby
    because this time
    it's sink or it's swim
    no, no sermons on ascending
    no verdict on deceit
    no selfish memorandums
    no confusion for me

    curses
    curses and clues
    a feast, feast for fools

    have mercy, baby
    and hand me downs
    it was just a few years ago
    you'd hand me ups
    and map right out of town
    but i will let it slide
    like mercury
    silver and quick
    poisonous and deadly
    so deadly




By patrick on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 01:53 pm:

    who do you miss again nate?


By patrick on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 01:54 pm:

    offering my ass to the chopping block seems to cut the cheese here.


By Nate on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 02:04 pm:

    ______.


By sarah on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 03:51 pm:


    BBBWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA good one. not what i was expecting...




By dave. on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 03:52 pm:

    he's in here with me and the rest of the gang (minus friendly - he exscaped at the last nomeansno show i went to and i haven't heard from him since). i let _______ out when the lawn needs mowing or the car needs an oil change.


By Nate on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 04:20 pm:

    you should let him post sometimes.

    i can't imagine ______ allowing sorabjipopulous to dub him the sensitive hero of sorabjiland.


By semillama on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 04:33 pm:

    Yeah, that guy was a dick.

    Mavis apparently has much better things to do than to stay in contact with people.


By agatha on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 04:42 pm:

    HA!


By Cat on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 04:51 pm:

    I miss Mavis. I miss Antigone. I miss Amanda/Bell Jar. I miss Tired. I miss Gee. I miss Nelly and Sheila and Swine and Margaret (even though they were pretty much occasional visitors by the time I started posting).

    I actually missed Trace.

    When someone doesn't post for a while, it's kind of like not having the whole family around the table, if you know what I mean.


By semillama on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 05:00 pm:

    Well, don't worry about me. I'm a sorabjunkie.


By Dougie on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 05:54 pm:

    Missing people takes too much energy. I'm happy with who's here now.


By droopy on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 06:06 pm:

    missing people is a way of showing your good taste in sorabjiptians.

    let's make a wish list for sorabjites. charles bukowski on "drunken ramblings", bob marley posting on "are you stoned?" for example.


By Dougie on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 06:15 pm:

    Yeah, well I guess I left my good taste at home today. And anyhow, I'm the kind of guy who likes Pink Floyd, whatever that means. Maybe you'd explain that to me one day.


By droopy on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 06:21 pm:

    it didn't mean jackshit.


By Cat on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 06:26 pm:

    Richard Brautigan giving his recipe for fried potatoes on any thread, any time.

    Sarah Jessica Parker bitching Nate out for saying she sucks.

    Um...


By Antigone on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 06:32 pm:

    I'm here, but I usually don't have time to read, let alone post.

    So I miss ya'll, too.

    Fuckwits.


By Antigone on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 06:33 pm:

    I just realized that I didn't put an ellipsis in that last post. Not one...


By sarah on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 08:02 pm:


    dennis hopper. any thread.





By dave. on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 08:25 pm:

    mr. t. any thread.


By sarah on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 08:33 pm:


    mr. t. easily and swiftly could step into the role of new annoying sorabjiite.




By sarah on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 08:34 pm:

    fuck. i gotta actually do some work today.




By agatha on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 09:04 pm:

    no you don't.

    ian mackaye might be an interesting addition to the mix, he would fuck nate's shit up big time.


By dave. on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 09:07 pm:

    gilbert gottfreid. any thread.

    john lydon. likewise.


By Nate on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 09:37 pm:

    why agatha? why? why are you picking on me? why is everyone fucking my shit today? fugazi can ride a cockhorse for all i care. wtf.

    and fuck sarah jessica parker. i'm more afraid of patrick. jesus christ. what a dumb chick. did you see that steve martin movie with the high colonics? dumb shit. dumb fucking shit.

    WHY IS EVERYONE FUCKING MY SHIT? STOP FUCKING MY SHIT.

    goddamnit. look what you've made happen.



By sarah on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 09:49 pm:


    ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? you better not be talking about LA Story, or i'm flying to your suckass town to kick your ass.



    um, taking a break from work.



    also: john lovitz. any thread.



By agatha on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 10:18 pm:

    how am i picking on you? i just used you as a random example of an excessive person.

    waahwaah crybaby nate.


By patrick on Friday, June 22, 2001 - 11:31 am:

    i need to insist...


    i am not fucking nate's shit.

    ok.


    i AM NOT fucking nate's shit.




By semillama on Friday, June 22, 2001 - 12:12 pm:

    Jhonen Vasquez

    Jenna Bush (God that would be evil fun!)

    Gibby Haynes

    Penn Gillette

    All on the same thread.


By Nate on Friday, June 22, 2001 - 01:00 pm:

    please sarah, fly to my suckass town and kick my ass.

    please.


By sarah on Friday, June 22, 2001 - 01:11 pm:


    hmmm. i thought i told you i'll be in your suckass area the eve of the 3rd and on the eve of the 9th through the 11th. in between i'll be at sheila's and then in quincy.




By sarah on Friday, June 22, 2001 - 01:14 pm:

    sorry. eve of the 4th. the holiday. leaving suckass town the early morning of the 5th.




By semillama on Friday, June 22, 2001 - 01:22 pm:

    I'll be in Tennessee then.

    Yeeeee-haw!


By Nate on Friday, June 22, 2001 - 01:24 pm:

    that's someone else's suckass town. my suckass town is a distance from there. though on a map of the world you could hide us all under your thumb.




By sarah on Friday, June 22, 2001 - 01:28 pm:


    ok, well, i'm picking up the rocketship at the dock in oakland on the 9th or 10th.

    i could, like, drive to your suckass area if you can't be bothered to come to east bay or meet me half way for a drink and an ass kicking.




By patrick on Friday, June 22, 2001 - 01:29 pm:

    i'm totally looking forward to the 4th.


    this is our second annual pilgrimage to Goleta.

    a good friend's father Russell, has property he's lived on since the 60s...there is an old junked out hippy bus there named Zambodia. We are camping on the beach and watching the fireworks.

    It's aboslutely bliss, as the beach is deserted and we get 3 firework shows. 1 to the north at the Univ. two to the south; one from the nudist beach and another from the pier in downtown Santa Barbara.


By wisper on Thursday, June 28, 2001 - 06:13 pm:

    nudist beach

    fire works

    nudist beach

    fire works

    nudist beach

    fire works

    .......no sir, i don't like it.


By patrick on Thursday, June 28, 2001 - 06:52 pm:

    im failing to register your objection


By wisper on Thursday, June 28, 2001 - 07:18 pm:

    i'm just thinking about the dangers of hot sparks and pubes, my friend.


By agatha on Thursday, June 28, 2001 - 07:25 pm:

    agreed, wisper.


By Nate on Thursday, June 28, 2001 - 07:31 pm:

    shave.


By patrick on Thursday, June 28, 2001 - 07:38 pm:

    ive never had a fireworks issue clothed.

    maybe you and agatha just dont know what you are doing with fireworks.


By Spunky on Thursday, June 28, 2001 - 09:18 pm:

    It is everyone's god given right to blow off a hand or toe.
    But, anything else that might be dangling or swinging around, well, I just don't know


By Cat on Thursday, June 28, 2001 - 11:03 pm:

    If there is no God, which is quite plausible given the number of small children who die in pain and suffering every day, what happens to our "god-given rights"? Do we have to surrender them?


By Spunky on Thursday, June 28, 2001 - 11:16 pm:

    Have we not lost most of them?


By Czarina on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 12:49 am:

    Wouldn't that make God an Indian giver?


By dave. on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 02:02 am:

    if god's handiwork was worth a damn, we wouldn't find pleasure in poison. bad design, god. all-knowing, all powerful beings like you should have figured that out. i mean, that should be a baseline standard for creating life: must avoid poison. i can only conclude that you knew this, you're evil and made us like this on purpose, and you suck.

    god sucks.


By Nate on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 02:28 am:

    god sucks a mean dick, damn tootin'.


By Spunky on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 06:26 am:

    amen brother dave and brother nate,
    please pass the offering plate


By Spider on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 08:33 am:

    You're all blind.


By Spunky on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 08:58 am:

    Faith is blind.
    Demanding proof is seeing.


By Spider on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 09:09 am:

    Wrong. You don't know the meaning of faith.


By dave. on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 09:57 am:

    well, i AM myopic and color-blind. i don't understand faith at all. can billions of people be wrong? probably.


By Spider on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 10:12 am:

    As the world dies, the eyes of God grow bigger.


By Spunky on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 10:57 am:

    Faith: Firm belief in something for which there is no proof. Loyalty.

    And yes, it must be blind. Otherwise it is not true faith.


By Nate on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 11:46 am:

    what a load of crap.

    there is no blind faith.


By Spunky on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 12:05 pm:

    why do you say that?
    ask the hundreds of people I went to curch with, and graduated from seminary school with.
    They all had faith, with no evidence.


By patrick on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 12:10 pm:

    i am faithful to the recipe for chicken marsala.

    faith need not evidence.

    i have no way of knowing until after i die or cook the chicken if it will be good or not.


By Spunky on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 12:12 pm:

    Spirtual faith does.
    You are correct, though. I was basing my definition on spiritual faith. I appoligise.


By Spunky on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 12:14 pm:

    PS, can you make a good chicken marsala?
    MMM I miss that. I used to get that at the Spaghetti Factory before it closed down. Olive Garden's SUCKS.
    MMM that and Mizithra Spaghetti A'la Homer...


By patrick on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 12:19 pm:

    yes


    its not hard


By Czarina on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 12:19 pm:

    It would seem logical for God to validate him/her self.

    If God can't/won't validate,then I presume that would move him/her into a non-entity catagory.

    And if you're a "non",well,I guess that would be self explanatory.


By Czarina on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 12:21 pm:

    Patrick,is that my chicken marsala recipe you're boasting about?Did you make it?Did Nico like it?


By dave. on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 12:29 pm:

    my dad used to say my eyes were bigger than my stomach when i loaded up my plate and couldn't finish it.


By patrick on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 12:37 pm:

    your recipe? no. I actually never got a recipe from you did I. but rather your suggestion, which was a hit.

    I sorta of winged it and it was delicious.


By Spunky on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 12:38 pm:

    Can I have the recipe? I have been looking for a good one.

    Biblical definition of faith:
    Substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

    Faith is believing Christ was born of the virgin mary, is the son of God, died on the cross for our sins and was raised again on the third day, and is now sitting at the the right hand of God, interceeding for our iniquities.

    Faith is believing that God loves all the children, and protects them, while Christopher received a skull fracture from his mother.

    Faith is believing By Jesus's stripes, we are healed, while my grandfather, and my Great Grandmother, one of the kindest, most gentle, most devout christians I ever met died agonizingly painful deaths of cancer.

    Faith is believing that god will save a sinner like charles manson, but condemn a good man like Pilate for his "abomination to god".

    Faith is believing that what you sew, so shall you reap. Ask Annie if that is true.

    Faith is believing that if you give 10% of your income to the church, your finances will be multiplied 100 fold, and have your utilities cut off because you can't pay the bills.
    I, brothers and sisters, have lost my faith.




By Spunky on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 01:00 pm:

    PS- Spider, if you do have faith, then more power to you, stay strong.
    Seriously


By patrick on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 01:02 pm:

    ok...i think it went something like this.

    4 chicken breasts-pounded
    1/2 cup of fresh basil, chopped
    2 fat cloves of garlic
    1 cup of sliced mushrooms
    1/4 cup of olive oil
    1/2-3/4 cup of marsala wine
    1/4 cup of capers (optional)
    a bowl of flour with some chopped basil mixed in

    ok, sautee lightly the mushrooms, garlic and a dash of the basil and a table spoon of olive oil

    coat the chicken in the flour/basil, shake excess and add to the pan of mushrooms and garlic.

    lightly brown the chicken and then add the remaining amount of oil, capers, basil and marsala wine sauce. simmer on low heat for...i dunno...15-20, until sauce thickens.

    yeah something like that. i say 1/2 -3/4 cup of marsala, because mine was a little...a little too heavy on the marsala.









By pez on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 01:12 pm:

    gotta love spaghetti factory. gor two in town, including the original.

    i remember going there when i was little and they had these die-cut cardboard trolleys that you could put together while waiting.

    *sigh*

    i miss those.

    * * *

    last year i had a coworker nearly blinded by a firecracker. apparently he was too close and the thing flew into his face while exploding.

    he ended up in the emergency room for eight hours before he could properly see again.

    the only clothing that could've protected him from that was a welder's mask or perhaps a snorkelers mask.

    * * *

    god says, "to be or not to be? that is the question."


By Spunky on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 01:40 pm:

    thanks pat


By wisper on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 02:16 pm:

    this is beautiful. Discorse on the nature of god, sprinkled here and there with chicken marsala recipe.
    ----

    Spunky, i know that your situation is more than tough right now, but you don’t have to lose your faith over it. god isn’t the one who is hurting Christopher, people are. god doesn’t physically protect children and it never has. If you’ve read the bible you’ll remember that it oversaw the slaughter of thousands of them on passover. But that’s not my point. The thing is, god never protected it’s creation. Since we were cast from the garden it left us pretty much on our own. But it does work through other humans, like you and your wife when you try to do what’s best for Christopher out of love. That’s all god can do, inspire people. If you have faith in god, many good things can happen and you will see it’s work and love and inspiration in everyone and everything. If you have faith in what the bible says, you’re setting yourself up for a big disappointment. You’ll also have to stop wearing clothing made from 2 different materials, but that’s for you to decide.

    And i know it seems crazy that this argument for the renewal of your faith is being written by an atheist, of all people, but that’s just how much your situation is affecting me, and many of us here. You’ve seemed so good and strong and supportive to the people involved in this thing, and so dedicated to the wellbeing of the child, and you try to be understanding to everyone even though i’m sure it’s killing you inside. I can’t stand to see you lose what could possibly be the one thing carrying you through all this, even if i don’t believe it myself. If you believe anything, surely you must believe that god is in you, Trace. It’s working in your heart to help Christopher. Fuck what that book says. Decide for yourself what god is doing for you.


By cyst on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 02:32 pm:

    dave, are you really color blind? that is so cool! I mean, I know a huge percentage of men are color blind, but none of them have ever told me.


By Spunky on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 02:39 pm:

    I am, slightly.
    i cant tell the difference between certain shades of green and blue, according to my wife anyway.
    wisper, thank you. I mean that.

    PS, how do you keep your first letter lower case?


By agatha on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 03:11 pm:

    dave is extremely color blind. it's a source of endless amusement to me.


By pez on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 03:23 pm:

    add a space before the first letter. works like a charm.


By t on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 03:26 pm:

    testing


By Nate on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 03:30 pm:

    no testing.

    trace, read job.

    faith is nothing you mentioned.

    i've never found a single person who claims to have faith who hasn't seen god move.

    i maintain, there is no blind faith.


By spunky on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 03:38 pm:

    Well, damn. That's four years of seminary school down the drain. thanks for setting me straight, nate....


By spunky on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 03:41 pm:

    Job had his faith tested by god.
    I have read job.
    He had faith that god would provide for him and that god was still there, even with all the trials he was going through.
    he had faith in something that he could not see and did see things that would prove to me that god did not exist.

    Job was the biggest believer in blind faith.


By wisper on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 04:26 pm:

    some days i don't believe in Australia.


By Antigone on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 04:57 pm:

    :-)


By semillama on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 05:14 pm:

    god must be constatnly redefined in order to escape all the tricky questions.


By Daniel ssss on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 05:20 pm:

    Swine was blind, Job was boring today, and chicken marsala is french? and you KNOW what we do to the french around here. Faith the french.

    More rules, more rules!


By Nate on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 05:23 pm:

    to hell with seminary. do you think you're the only one who has had priestly ambitions?

    "The LORD said to Job:"

    kind of tough on the ol' blind faith.


By heather on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 05:50 pm:

    if seminary didn't teach you to look beyond and question EVERYTHING they tried to convince you of than maybe it was down the drain

    they are people

    they cannot make a faith for you

    dAMMTI damit DAMMMMMMIT

    i don't want to be unnecessarily scathing----but dammit. arghh!!!

    people try to teach you facts
    there are no such things as facts


    FAITH HAPPENED THE DAYS YOUR CHILDREN WERE BORN. i can hear it in your voice. your voice that i have never heard.




    i can't read job here but i will when i go home




By Antigone on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 05:55 pm:


By Antigone on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 05:56 pm:


By cyst on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 06:02 pm:

    have you read "when bad things happen to good people"?


By pez on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 06:19 pm:


By Cat on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 06:24 pm:

    I want to believe in UFO's and God.

    There must be so much comfort in having faith. I remember feeling warm and safe in a church when I was little. It would be nice to feel that way again.


By Nate on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 06:43 pm:

    i believed in nothing long enough to realize that i actually believe in everything.


By pez on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 06:46 pm:

    i believe in myself.
    i believe in at least a small amount of good in all people.
    i believe in miracles.
    i believe new beginnings.
    i believe that my sister will stop singing the songs from the sound of music.
    yeah, right.


By Cat on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 06:48 pm:

    I believe Savage Garden need to be shot.


By pez on Saturday, June 30, 2001 - 02:51 am:

    i'll agree with you there. they wouldn't be so bad, but my sis has both cds.


By Daniel ssss on Saturday, June 30, 2001 - 11:45 am:

    I live in a vortex for ufo energies, surrounded by towers and triangulated by man made electrical energies which conveniently and safely to this point have diverted nature made electrical energies. It is relatively safe here, even from lightning. And keeps the ufo's in the sky and off my porch.

    I live in a place peopled (if I can use that word) by spirits of humans and animals and entities unknown, and they are all benevolent and mostly helpful even if mischeivous at times. It is relatively safe here, even from my family ghosts.

    I live in a forest full of dark and light things and sounds in the night, and they are all entertaining and harmonious despite the cacophony of night sounds magnififed by my imagination. It has taken a year less four days to become accustomed to the racket and not fearful of it, though still startling it is.

    I work with less fortunate humans who have let less interesting and less than helpful spirits inhabit their souls, and these dispossessed and hungry intruders reach out and want to attach themselves to me and others, and drag each of us into their dysfunction. Sometimes I have to sleep for twelve hours at a time and turn the phone off and forget the sound of my own voice in order to retain what semblance of sanity has graced my life.

    Why settle for a single slice of dessert when there is the whole meal freely given to us?


By Spiral on Saturday, June 30, 2001 - 12:52 pm:

    I can remember a time when I believe I saw a spirit. Only happened once, but it was the most awesome/good/weird/confusing moment I have ever had. And I definitely believe that I have felt them before. Could be overactive imagination, I grant you that. But, I have know I felt the twinges of something not me, and I choose to lay it at the door of spirits. Maybe someday I'll get Casper to talk to me.


By pez on Saturday, June 30, 2001 - 05:40 pm:

    i've been reading "haunted heartland" for the last several days. glad not to live in the "midwest".

    i've seen several ghosts and there's another that i see evidence of on almost a daily basis. it's mindboggling.


By Daniel ssss on Sunday, July 1, 2001 - 12:35 am:

    It's properly called "The Great MidWaste."


By patrick on Monday, July 2, 2001 - 11:57 am:

    nico has a theory of spiritual existance. a ladder (nate) if you will.

    our spirits, have an age so to speak. old souls are high on the ladder and spirtually aware. they seem entities, "ghost" if you will. See auras, and just damn aware.

    though she's not entirely convinced of reincarnation, she believes our energies, carry on, in one form or another.

    In short, Im a young spirit. I dont see things I can't explain yet. She can. I want to, but in time. I, the ambitious young sprite, she the aged old soul.


By Nate on Monday, July 2, 2001 - 01:38 pm:

    that jives with me.


By patrick on Monday, July 2, 2001 - 01:41 pm:

    whiteboy hand jive?


By pez on Monday, July 2, 2001 - 02:09 pm:

    slapslap
    clapclap
    wigglewiggle
    wigglewiggle
    fistfist
    fistfist
    thumbthumb
    thumbthumb

    and repeat.


By spunky on Monday, July 2, 2001 - 02:20 pm:

    pez, what was that???
    I think that was supposed to be here


By pez on Monday, July 2, 2001 - 03:01 pm:

    take both hands and slap your thighs twice.
    clap twice.
    keep hands flat and wave them over each other. right twice. left twice.
    form fists, and bang one on top of the other. right twice. left twice.
    stick out your thumbs from the fists, and wave over corresponding shouler. right twice. left twice.

    repeat as nesseccary.

    congrats, you're doing the hand jive!


By Spiral on Tuesday, July 3, 2001 - 10:38 am:

    Haven't you ever seen Grease Spunky?


By Greasy spunk on Tuesday, July 3, 2001 - 10:41 am:

    someone looking for me?


By spunky on Tuesday, July 3, 2001 - 11:24 am:

    unfortunately, yes..
    but obviously I did not pay much attention to it.


By wisper on Tuesday, July 3, 2001 - 03:41 pm:

    spirits and such, i think these things exist, i have never seen them myself, but i think i just won't allow myself to see them. I don't think i could handle that.
    i don't know.
    i'm facinated by other people's stories but then i'll stay up all night in fear. I learned to stop listening now. It's not that i don't think i can see ghosts, i think i just don't want to.

    They say my parent's house is haunted. I lived there for 18 years without anything happening, but my sister has stories. Something about a little girl. Usually i notice that what i lack in seeing things i more than make up for in 'feeling'. In this case i have always avoided going in my sisters room. Or near it. Or walking past it at night alone. In fact, that whole corner of the house is bad. "Why is it bad?" she said. "It's just.....wrong. Feels wrong, always felt wrong." Call it Feng Shui. Some places feel wrong. Objects feel wrong too.

    but with her room, i think it's just her. She is an unstable and negative person, an i think she herself causes the "wrong". I think it comes out of her like smog.

    *shrug*

    there is a place near by that was on Unsolved Mysteries. On a country backroad a motorcyclist was killed when he hit a rock coming out of a dirtbike trail. Every night you can see a light come out of the trail and onto the road, it gets to the rock, and it fades out. Sometimes a red tail light follows after. Every night the road is packed with people to watch it. She took me there in the daytime because i wanted to see (feel) it. No way would i go there at night. She goes there all the time, sometimes several times a week. She meets people there from Ottawa and other provinces and Florida. Every night.
    I'm getting close to wanting to see it, but i really don't know what i'll be like afterwards. I'd most certainly need a heavy drink.


By semillama on Tuesday, July 3, 2001 - 06:01 pm:

    Lately we've been getting jobs near places of paranormal occurences. First was in SE Ohio, near where the Owlman incidents occurred back in the 60's. Then we are going to Pascagoula, where there was a UFO abduction. Then we may get a job up in the UP, in the region of the Paulding Mystery Ghost Lights.


By Daniel ssss on Tuesday, July 3, 2001 - 11:53 pm:

    Everything has an energy and a spirit. But the spirit of a transistor radio is not very helpful unless listening to reports of tornadoes upwind of your campsite, if ya know what I mean.

    Sem, ya oughta read "the god hypothesis: extraterrestrial Life and its implcations for science and religion." By Franscisco Joe Lewels. I dunno if the guy is for real. But there are helpful hints about dating in it.

    I'm off to Florida on Thursday am, so one more day of sorabji and fireworks. I am coming back from reading sumerian texts on reincarnation as bedtime reading, so tomorrow I will post if still able.


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