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Jeopardy - An Iraqi tank crew sits somewhere in the desert in a T-72. They think they hear an airplane. Home Shopping Network - Blowout bargains night. Items include the grand piano looted from the Sheraton Hotel in Basra and a "virtual giveaway" sale on Russian made GPS jammers. Trading Spaces - Two Iraqis from different parts of Baghdad decorate each other's apartments with looted goods. Archie's Bunker - A brash young Pfc from the 3rd Infantry Division decides to stay in Iraq and move into Saddam's presidential bunker. Fashion Emergency - An Iraqi soldier is shedding his uniform. But what to wear? Arab fashion experts give advice. Who Wants to be a Millionaire? - Contestants must change into a new suit of clothes faster than an Iraqi soldier can change out of his military uniform. Guys Gone Wild - Iraqi soldiers shed their uniforms to show it all. Three's Company — Three businessmen, A Frenchman, a German and a Russian battle for contracts… and respect in Baghdad. Fantasy Fights - In tonight's computerized simulation, Mohammed Ali faces off with "Chemical" Ali. Journey to Planet Earth - Special guests, French President Jacques Chirac and former Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf. Jackass - Special guests, French President Jacques Chirac and former Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf. Girls Behaving Badly - Dixie Chicks give prison concert for Baath Party. Junkyard Wars - Members of the Republican Guard are forced to beat the huge crossed swords of the Saddam arch into plowshares. John Walsh Show - Hunt for Saddam Hussein continues. Twilight Zone - The United Nations Security Council meets to discuss administration of postwar Iraq. American Justice - 'Nuff said. |
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interesting, anyways... judge for yourself: http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID66/17554.html#67 |
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Just as the statue was falling, I realized it was over — Saddam is finally toppled. As I yelled at the T.V. with jubilation, my mother-in-law, who is 70 years old, clapped her hands in delight. The Iraqi people had spoken: “We do not want Saddam.” I’m thrilled that the world saw the symbolic fall of Hussein, especially the antiwar protesters who claimed they were speaking on behalf of the Iraqi people. The two men in a Baghdad square holding a sign saying “Go Home Human Shields, You U.S. Wankers” summed up Iraqis’ opinion of that crowd. The toppling and smashing of the statue represented the reality of the struggle of the Iraqi people. Everyone by now must understand that Iraqis have wanted and tried to overthrow Saddam, but their ropes and sledgehammers were too weak in the face of the dictator’s iron grip on the nation. It was the help of the United States troops that enabled us to bring him down. And it was the determination of the people of Iraqi Kurdistan to live in a democracy that echoed the true wishes of the people of Iraq to the world. Saddam Hussein will no longer pose a threat to my people. His Baathist regime will no longer terrorize my loved ones. I join all those who have thanked President Bush for giving us, the people of Iraq, a glimpse of hope for a democratic future. And I want to thank all the young men and women in uniform who are helping the Iraqi people achieve their dreams of freedom from tyranny and peace, at long last. Check out my home page Don't bother telling me how you beleive this was some kind of propaganda show, and don't bother debating this with me unless you lived in Iraq. |
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I am glad that you are filled with joy Ms. Gilly, but if you think the threat of Saddam is over because he lost power in Iraq, you are very naive. Seriously, Saddam is now going to turn into another Bin Laden. We don't know if he is dead or alive, we don't know where he is, we don't know what he could possibly be planning as revenge, but if 9/11 was an indicator what Bin Laden could do, then what will Saddam do? The threat is not by any means gone. He just doesn't currently control Iraq. This will only make him madder and make him despise us more. If he tortured his own people what will he do to us? He is a sick fuck, and now we are going to be receiving his wrath. I am not feared with joy. I am filled with fear for what will happen in the years to come. What kind of world will it be when my children are in my shoes? What will they be telling their children when asked about war? Will they even be able to discuss war with children? I am glad that the people of Iraq appear to be happy and I am glad that they won't have to fear speaking their minds about their government as they have in the past. I am not against liberation of the Iraqi people. I just wonder what price we will ALL pay in the long run for our actions now. This is not over, and if you think it is, pull your head out of the sand, for it is only beginning. (Didn't Patrick or Sem say something like this to me when we invaded Afganistan?) If so, thank you for the use of this line. It's so true. |
Not true.... Anyways... so... are we rewriting history yet? Have we decided the war was for Iraqi liberation this whole time, or is it still about WMDs? |
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If it was a propaganda or psyop setup, is that necessarily a bad thing? Seriously. It seems to have had an effect, causing Iraqi soldiers to surrender in droves. Even if it was a setup, which I'm inclined to believe it was, it could still have a beneficial effect. I'd rather that the psyop not be perpetrated on the rest of the world, but it can't really be effective otherwise. Whaddya think? |
but this footage being replayed is targeted at the American audience, perhaps diverting attention from the true purpose of the war - "disarming Saddam"..... if it is a setup, and we're not telling our home audience that, its just plain lying, and I dont see why psyop is needed on the home crowd. :/ Basically, I don't appreciate being lied to. And I'll be upset if we start being told this war was to liberate Iraqis, when we knew otherwise.... it could be one of those things to save face, yknow? because no WMD's have been found, and what if they're never found? perhaps thats one of the reasons its called "Operation Iraqi Freedom" instead of "Operation Disarm Saddam" - the freedom thing was destined to happen regardless of whether or not the WMDs are found... a name as a contingency plan? Either way, theres one thing about this whole propaganda spin that makes me happy.. I'm worried about the US 'spreading' its war to other countries, like Syria, Jordan, Iran, etc., without really asking or debating, just you know, going in because the momentum is there... In a way, Bush got part of what he wanted, the regime is toppled, he (for now, we'll see what people think if civil war or acts of defiance to the US break out in iraq) smells like a rose, can play the liberator if he wishes... and if he wants to, he can smile and play makeup with the nations he alienated. so unfortunately for all of us who think Bush is a jackass, he could walk out of this having it both ways. he may possibly never ever find WMDs to prove his case, but he can convince most people that Iraq is no longer (not that it was) a threat simply by saying so. If he's smart he wont keep going. he can walk out of this standing tall. possibly getting reelected. who knows. in everyones mind the war is over. of course its not, but that image has people convinced that if desired, the US could just leave right now and everything is fine and "its their problem now". however, something tells me that when trace says "we're not done yet", he's telling the truth, and we're going to have to go through this cycle again, and its going to be horrible. |
...and if people stop freaking out, things like Patriot Act II maybe wont pass. of course this is wishful thinking... all of this could change the moment that someone strikes the US back in revenge for war in Iraq... |
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The US goes back in time to fight Stone Age Pterror-dactyls, to prevent them from flying into trees inhabited by our monkey ancestors. Well fuck that, I say No Blood for Gravel. |
Showdown: Pangaea |
A Kurd from Northern Iraq, Tanya Gilly comes from a family of political activists opposed to Saddam Hussein’s rule. Her father was arrested on several occasions for his resistance activities, and the family was forced to flee Iraq in 1970s. Ms. Gilly has worked for the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (www.puk.org), one of the two parties that governs the Kurdish safe haven. She is dedicated to advancing democracy and pluralism in a free Iraq. "The UN is talking about expanding sanctions and inspections. After twelve years of these failed policies, don’t people see that they are useless? They are not weakening Saddam. And they are doing nothing to end the suffering of the Iraqi people. My parents devoted their lives to resisting Saddam’s regime. How long do we have to wait until the Iraqis are freed? We cannot do it on our own, Saddam has become too powerful.” |
fuck off. all i want to know is who the fuck are we going to "liberate" next? i wanna fucking know who is next in line for freedom god dammit! who's fucking number is up? i say this desert camoflauge is out. we gotta hit somebody in the north. somebody cold. white camo is in....what about Nepal? Greenland? fuck motherfuck fuck fuck you fuckin fuck. |
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i am. a pleasant sav blanc...cheap but good. Barefoot is the brand, quite delicious for $3.99 |
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<urp> barefoot sav blanc smells like cat piss. (but then, this is a desired quality for sav blanc, isn't it.) (not that i really know, being white trash.) |
Its California. You can get respectable wine for as cheap as $2.99 bottle. The garbage they sell at grocery stores in a box or gallon jugs is more expensive for some fucked up reason but you can get a decent bottle of french red table wine for $3...something they'd sell for $7 in a regular grocery store. |
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Maryland seems to be the same way. I did a quick Google search, but I couldn't find anything official to back this up. I'll ask my dad about it when I see him. |
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