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look around you just this moment: without oil, what in your sight that is plastic will cease to be manufactured. Just answer that: scary enough. Not gloom and doom, on the contrary, a call to action. 2010 might be a good year to buy less oil, gas, plastic. To buy nothing that comes in a non recuyclable container. To get nothing in styrofoam. To purchase food grown locally. To grow your own. 2010 might be a good year to invest only in renewable energy sources and not the stock market at all. Unless you are a banker, you are not benefitting from any bailouts, are you? If no electricity, then no one can file for unemployment or food stamps, since it is required to do so online. And on line wll be going out of business. Always save the last gallon of gas for self immolation. let's be realistic. humans have outlived their useful expectancy and certainly their reason if they had any at all. |
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Do you know what I hated the most? the plastic cover where you buy, video dvd or, cellular phone. or things that hard to cut to open to take the products out. As for my employment, gonna be a hard year possible. Few of people in my neighbor are moving out? loss of job or possiblity. Last night I downloaded this survival book in case of nuclear , that Antigone mentioned. here is the link for survival book to take a course on survival. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/21-76-1/index.html and then click on pdf to download. Ok? hope all is well.... |
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But given the effects of Chernobyl--even though our facitlities are allegedly safer---I would rather develop wind and solar and kick nuke to the side. Can't mistake solar panels for sunspot weaponry... |
containment solutions. that leaky was something else. |
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So it is "cold and getting colder" according to the news the governments of the world want us to hear. It's 8 above here, but sunny and clear. Where is the conspiracy in all this? Oil is dirty, coal is dirty, both take tons of energy to process into something useable. And Bush and company profit. China's waters are proof that we are letting them do our dirty manufacturing. Buy local. Buy only local. Though the thing on which I am writing this likely is full of non local parts, is mostly plastic and silicon, and mostly certainly is monitored by Big Brother. Al? AlSharpton? Are you out there? Heather, 5:00 am??? Are you serious? I have two tickets out of here. Do you think third world countries will need a meditating architect? They certainly won't need an old broken down addict turned counselor, so I am going to go undercovers. Speaking of covers, One of my favorite books right now is James Austen's Selfless Insight, which details the neurology of the brain and perception along with zen meditation. Austen is both a medical doctor and a practicing meditator. Ah the silence of winter. Home alone again. goddam goat is in the tropics. What books would you take? |
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jitterbug perfume girlfriend in a coma the last samurai the ground beneath her feet the love poems of rumi webster's encyclopedic unabridged dictionary fox in sox |
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and in case you hadn't heard, brad graham died yesterday, apparently of natural causes. he was a friend of mine. |
unwarrented. Please educate yourself. |
http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/spring2007.html Pripyat, a former bustling Ukrainian city of 50,000, was evacuated in a few days, and those 50,000 people died in the next two months...from a failed reactor. Waste here in the US is not recycled into safe materials as it is abroad. Waste here in the US is not safe, even if it is shoved into the desert caverns and sacred lands of its first peoples. I am more afraid of russian power plants, any countries nuclear program except perhaps the US and France, which these two countries have lulled their peoples into complacent acceptance that the plants are safe. I remember three mile island. I was there in New York, likely before some proponents of nukes were born. I live down wind in a fallout pattern from the Callaway Nuclear facility today. It has a life expectancy that will expire yet in my lifetime. I voted against it, as did most of the consumers of Ameren Union Elecctric, operators and benefactors of callaway. It was repeatedly turned down in the PSU committe meetings. A large hydro facility, certainly outddated but a hellava lot safer, was retired to a back up status, and Callaway proceeded without voter approval to be built, without regard to disposal of its future waste. All Akbar needs is a small plane and directions to the nearest cooling plant to experience Chernobyl in his backyard. ever hear anyone sabotaging solar panels and irradiating 50, 000 people at once? Nope. |
modern nuclear power plants are not susceptible to the kinds of meltdowns experienced by the reactors at three mile island or chernobyl. nuclear waste is an easily contained solid. you make it sound like it is some sort of green goo that could seep out of containment. all you have to do is put it in a lead lined box. the production of electricity is the #1 largest producer of airborne pollution (greenhouse gases). if it weren't for anti-nuclear fear-mongering in the 70s, we would have a near-zero carbon footprint electrical production system today. "ever hear anyone sabotaging solar panels and irradiating 50,000 people at once? Nope." i've never heard of anyone sabotaging a nuclear power plant and irradiating 50,000 people, either. you make points like dick cheney. i had a dream last night that tiggy had grown his hair out, and it looked good. i was jealous. |
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you would need a direct, penetrating hit with a lot of explosive punch to cause a nuclear disaster. it just isn't a likely scenario. but hell, let's keep burning all that coal. mountains don't need their tops. people don't need clean water. a coal fired plant disperses radioactive material into the air. radiation in the atmosphere, thanks to the common sense lacking, fear mongering hippies. |
my hair has grown out, but just because my barber had a flood due to a burst pipe. If I stay in town this weekend it's all coming off. Daniel, here's some light reading: http://nucleargreen.blogspot.com/ It's my uncle's blog. I'll refer back to it in a second. So, did you know that your average coal plant puts more radiation into the atmosphere per year than three mile island did in it's single accident? Did you know there are massive costs and pitfalls to wind and solar generation? Neither is anywhere near ready to provide reliable electricity at a price that's anywhere near acceptable. (Even with massive government subsidy.) Anyway, while light water reactors are the current mainstream nuclear generation technology, there are viable and better alternatives: pebble bed, fast breeder, and my uncle's favorite - liquid fluoride thorium reactor. There was a recent Wired article about the last one: linky So, get reading... |
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I know a little about lead lined pits or canisters, living within some 25 miles of Weldon Springs (radioactive) remedial site. Is three mile island the US' only nuclear accident? Granted operator error is significantly a factor in mechanized computer driven systems. I suppose the Saudi's couldn't commandeer another 747 and fly into a no fly zone over a rural reactor. Hey it's only cows and corn that will glow. Since age 5 when assailed by news clips of nuclear testing and blowdown, which still haunt my dreams today, more than 53 years later, I have been intrigued by nuclear incidents. But alas, I am an old hippy, and a trigger happy pacifist one, at that, who remains convinced that small scale hydroelectric power (without enormous dams and ecological damages) is one of the most desireable alternatives. Power to and from the local cooperatives!!! Let california and New York find their own way to get power and quit siphoning it from the rest of the country. I do believe that oeither Antigone or I could load a 55 foot van full of innocuous explosive flowers and easily and without interception could drive directly to the loading dock at Callaway's facility. There are more safeguards for riverboats running into the arch here, and more cement bunkers around the unemployment office. Thanks for the references. Got anything that's not propaganda? and or leaked into the internet from the military industrial oil frenzied western corporate positions? Always up for going undercovers. I 'll bring the Rumi, chai, and survival manuals. |
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your uncle is so prolific, very impressive. interesting article in wired too. reading that stuff makes me hate my job. |
petrochemicals. since anything that doesn't line up with your held, emotional beliefs is, to you, propaganda, there is no discussion here. see ya at the tea party. |
I think the question is that I and my views are being equated with sentimental ill informed and now emotional beliefs that are incorrect to the facts. Your facts and opinions and my facts and opinions are both arguable. My side is every bit as propaganda-ish as what purports to be and reads like a well thought out researched piece albeit opinions in blog different from my own. Mr. Burton has raised some significant questions which already the other side has countered quite believeably. And I will be hoisting the main sails at any tea party to which I am invited. I still like heather's idea though. |
The difference is that the technology to make nuclear viable exists today. Even light water reactors would solve the energy problem just fine. However, this is not true of wind and solar, as much as I'd like that to be the case. Trust me, it took my uncle years to finally convince me. It boils down to two things: 1) Wind and solar are unreliable They only produce while the wind blows and the sun shines. Energy storage mechanisms, whether mechanical or chemical, are both expensive and decrease efficiency drastically...efficiency which is already far lower than all other alternatives. This leads to... 2) Wind and solar are too expensive Wide adoption of either would require massive, untested infrastructure known as the "smart grid." It would require expensive, yet to be invented storage mechanisms. It would require government support greater than that presently enjoyed by the coal and gas industries. And should I reiterate that universal adoption isn't even possible with existing technology? Universal adoption of wind and/or solar would require more wealth, in terms of infrastructure development, technology development, and land use, than currently exists in the whole planet. I kid you not. Look, I'm quite sympathetic to renewables. I plan on one day putting panels on my house. My father in law has a place in the country with a creek that would be perfect for low yield hydro-electric generation. Renewable options are tenable on small scales but when you scale them up they end up breaking the very principles on which they're founded: low resource usage, specifically land use and materials use. Sure, the mechanical/chemical forces that produce the power in the end are renewable, but you've got to spend an awful lot to get to the point where you're generating power. (And then you've got to MAINTAIN that infrastructure, which is something most renewable advocates conveniently ignore in their cost models.) Anyway, all argument is moot. Eventually the oil and gas will run out, and there won't be nearly the energy available to build the infrastructure necessary for renewables to "work." Nuclear and coal will be all that's left, and hopefully the prospect of making 20% of the planet into one big strip mine won't be an option to most folks. |
this post. |
It is cold here today. I heat with propane and electric. I took out my wood burners even though they were vermont castings high efficiency and low polluters. I have no running water on the property for hydro. But I grew up with hydro in the mountains of the east coast and upstate NY. Thanks for the post, I will need to get back to it later today. Going off line for the day so that myboos can use my laptop. |
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sure why. Check out the "The Renewables Myth #1, A response to Lou Gronoz" post on my uncle's blog. |