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By Chordata on Thursday, June 25, 1998 - 02:20 am: |
I'll let you know how it goes. Has anyone else tried this? I am surprised I hadn't heard of it before. It's a fairly common plant, available for purchase in greenhouses. |
By Skottey on Thursday, June 25, 1998 - 08:21 am: |
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By Kelsey on Thursday, June 25, 1998 - 03:22 pm: |
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By Chordata on Thursday, June 25, 1998 - 04:29 pm: |
Certainly, they are toxic. Generally, any hallucinogen works by releasing a non-lethal (if you are lucky) dose of poison into the body. I did a great deal of research, as I always do before trying anything. I also had an expert and a field guide to help me pick the appropriate plant. I also ate them very gradually to watch for any signs of danger. It was a very good trip. Very subtle shroom-like effects of patterns and vivid detail and coloring. It also ended within a few hours, and I feel just fine today. Nothing spooky or intense. It gets my thumbs-up. At this time I release myself from any responsibility of harm caused to anyone attempting to eat coleus or a similar plant. |
By Chordata on Thursday, June 25, 1998 - 04:32 pm: |
Just to assure you that you have friends. We're just a more reserved majority. But I digress. |
By Skottey on Thursday, June 25, 1998 - 08:30 pm: |
I think if you give up the drugs for a while you will realize the damage you have already done. You never truely know the damage until you stop long enough to look in the mirror and ask yourself what the fuck have I done. I have nothing against Marijuana, I have not done it since my son was born, but I really have nothing against it. I think in many ways it is good, and it is better than drinking. It just isn't legal, and since it is not legal, it is not worth it to use with the risk of losing my son Russell or my job. But I will tell you, you are really gambling when you do LSD, Shrooms, Peyote, and especially any other non-mainstream Hallucinogen. Sure I did all that shit when I was younger, in high school and for a short time after. But I am telling you, looking back, I really don't think it was so cool, sure I had fun, but I know I must have done some type of damage to my brain. You should think about quiting that shit, stick with the alcohol and marijuana. Clear your head. The reason I ask how old you are is because you should really think about stopping that shit. |
By Chordata on Friday, June 26, 1998 - 05:15 am: |
Thanks for the lecture about your brain damage, but don't waste your energy next time. You don't want to tax those remaining cells. |
By Skottey on Friday, June 26, 1998 - 07:05 am: |
the coleus plant. A friend mentioned they grow wild around the chemistry building here in Berkeley. I did a little net research, and now I'm chomping 50 large leaves in anticipation of a 2 hour mild shroom-like trip." You are right, I am assured your life is in order, what was I thinking? |
By Chordata on Friday, June 26, 1998 - 02:08 pm: |
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By Skottey on Friday, June 26, 1998 - 02:25 pm: |
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By Kelsey on Friday, June 26, 1998 - 04:11 pm: |
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By Sarah on Friday, June 26, 1998 - 08:26 pm: |
btw, i just wanted to point out to everyone that Splotty has admitted to having some type of brain damage. i think we can rest soundly now. you're welcome. |
By Skottey on Friday, June 26, 1998 - 10:01 pm: |
Yes I am admitting too brain damage, fact is, getting drunk causes brain damage, smoking pot causes brain damage, other drugs cause brain damage. The death of a brain cell is brain damage. Most of us have done damage to our own brains, I know that there are some people that have never had a drink or a drug, they are the exception. I gave you my advice, take it or leave it, if you want to do drugs that is your choice, not mine. |
By Whet on Friday, June 26, 1998 - 10:44 pm: |
A big handful of them. One at a time. She smiles, whacks each one 2 or 3 times, swallows. Then raises her ears asking for another. Wonder if she gets a buzz. |
By Dave on Friday, June 26, 1998 - 11:37 pm: |
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By Chordata on Friday, June 26, 1998 - 11:40 pm: |
Kelsey: The coleus looks very similar to mint, though there are different varieties. I would research before any attempts. |
By Skottey on Saturday, June 27, 1998 - 08:15 am: |
The point is, you have done brain damage, and if you think you have not, you are a fool. I am sure that you have had more than 7 trips in total, whether it be shrooms, peyote, LSD, or some other form of crap you put into your body. |
By Blindswine on Saturday, June 27, 1998 - 03:52 pm: |
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By Kelsey on Saturday, June 27, 1998 - 07:13 pm: |
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By Skottey on Saturday, June 27, 1998 - 08:32 pm: |
Blindswine, some of us study facts, some of us read, some of us understand. Just so you know Blindswine, you too are welcome to walk into a public library and look up anything you want, you are also allowed to look for this information on the Internet. I don't know who misguided you but you are not required to hold a title to research. |
By Chordata on Saturday, June 27, 1998 - 09:35 pm: |
Two strikes. Want to try again to make incorrect assumptions about my life based on your own faulted past? Or.. You could just mind your own business! Wow! What a concept! |
By Chordata on Sunday, June 28, 1998 - 12:53 am: |
I know all of what you are saying, Skottey. I know what drugs do to the brain. I am not stupid. Millions of people do things every day to themselves that are not healthy (for example, your consumption of fast food, or people who smoke). Do I reply to your Wendy's lunch post "You are killing yourself with cholesterol. You are going to clog up your arteries and die young."? No, I don't - because I respect your decision about what goes into your own body. I appreciate the fact that you are trying to be helpful. However, I don't like it when people tell me what to do, especially when I obviously know it already. If I know drugs hurt me, and I do it anyway, I am not going to read your post and go "JESUS H. CHRIST!! I HAD NO IDEA DRUGS HURT ME! GOD BLESS SKOTTEY FOR BESTOWING THIS INFORMATION ON ME! I HAD NO CLUE! I AM GOING TO STOP RIGHT NOW!" Injestion of drugs, food, sex, etc., is a personal decision. No one telling me what to do about them is going to change my mind. I have to decide what goes into MY body. While I know your intentions are good, your words are patronizing. I don't need another parental figure. I need autonomy. Making decisions out my own impetus is very important to me. Thank you for your concern and for understanding how I feel. |
By Skottey on Sunday, June 28, 1998 - 03:43 am: |
I am just trying to give you solid advice, I do not by any means regret the things I have done in my past drug wise, I think my past in that aspect has made me a better man. But since I know the damage it can cause I always have to say something to LSD or Hallucinagen users. |
By Nate on Sunday, June 28, 1998 - 02:10 pm: |
i am legally insane by the simple fact that by the laws of the land i have ingested enough tabs of acid to make myself such (which, oddly enough, in the state of california seems to be three tabs, regardless of the actual dosage on the blotter.) furthermore, since my mind does not block out certain perceptions, i know that of which the very knowledge indicates insanity. now, since i believe i am beginning to sound like the main character of a cheap lovecraft ripoff, i will find new purpose. skotty, i don't think people here care whether you are right or wrong, but rather that you are presumptious and condecending. from a distance, actually, your posts are quite funny. they display all sorts of ignorances of the type that you are trying to dispell. "I don't know who misguided you" i tend to agree that all psychedelics are dangerous. what i have done to my mind is serious and (i am guessing) permenant. it has made my life difficult. but i would go back and do it all again. i learned so much. but i definately paid a price. maybe you got fucked in the deal. maybe you paid your fare but closed your eyes on the ride and missed out on everything that made it worth the price. while i would rather chordata not fuck her self up, i'm not going to (er, directly, i guess,) tell her this. she hasn't been duped into all of this, she is walking into it with open eyes. "Blindswine, some of us study facts, some of us read, some of us understand." this is too funny. |
By PetRock on Sunday, June 28, 1998 - 04:17 pm: |
maybe R.C. could relate to this....i don't think there are too many others in here who would understand....that i KNOW somehow that i am different now and that i have to work just that much harder to do seemingly simple things, like take down phone #'s or write down $ amounts, or proofread docs. like dyslexia i guess but mine came on suddenly and without warning. am i complaining? no....i don't think so....maybe you might though. sorry for that if you think so....i'm just stating facts as i see them.... hmmm.....but i did smoke pot in college, and i did (do) drink but brain damage then? i don't think so....the harder stuff? no thanks....i come from an addictive personality background and was too afraid of getting sucked into the whirlpool....even though i always thought that i COULDN'T ever get caught in that particular trap....that i knew better. the cat is hiding in the border's book bag right now so i've lost all my concentration on this post....see what i mean? |
By Skottey with an e on Sunday, June 28, 1998 - 05:41 pm: |
Nate, I never had a bad trip, I had a wonderful "Ride" as you put it. I had some wonderful great times, over and over again, some of my fondest memories of my Late Teen years involve tripping. LSD, the industrial drug, everything seemed so dirty yet beautiful at the same time. I remember discussions that I had with my many tripping partners, I remember hating everything about anybody that was not tripping when I was, I remember pure fun. I am not saying that I really regret it, I am just wondering if it was worth it. I am not saying that I have a lot of brain damage, I notice some, not a lot, I am just wondering if it was worth doing all that. At any time I could have snapped, gone over the edge, had a really bad trip. It was really fucked up, one of my sisters good friends in College was in the middle of his first trip ever, something went wrong and the guy went nuts, he never came down, ever. I have met a lot of people that I could tell really burnt themselves out, they are out there, you all know those people. They are WAY OUT THERE! c |
By Nate on Monday, June 29, 1998 - 04:08 am: |
fuck'em. all i can say is you must have missed the boat. |
By Blindswine on Monday, June 29, 1998 - 11:17 am: |
i'll keep it short and sweet. <<Blindswine, some of us study facts, some of us read, some of us understand. >> understand, huh? exactly what is it that you "understand"? neurobiologists and neurophysiologists have yet to understand the way hallucinogeons work on the synaptic level. subsequently, (despite the claims of anti-drug propoganda) there is no conclusive evidence that LSD or any other psychotropic "damages" the brain in any way (physically, electrically, or chemically). of course from a common-sense perspective, one should be advised that temporary or permanent adverse psychological affects may come about from ingesting psychotropics. from a social perspective, few people would want that advice from someone who comes off as you do. study this: Snyder (1986): "Drugs and the Brain" Sci Am Books Inc. From FAQ-LSD .Nicholls J, Martin R, Wallace B (1992): "From Neuron to Brain: A cellular and Molecular Approach to the Function of the Nervous System" Aghajanian GK(1980): "Mescaline and LSD Facilitate the Activation of Locus Coeruleus Neurons by Peripheral Stimulation" Brain Res 186:492-496 Jacobs, B (1985): "An Overview of Brain Serotonergic Unit Activity and its Relevance to the Neuropharmacology of Serotonin." From: Green, A: Neuropharmacology of Serotonin Jacobs, B, Trulson M, Heym J, (1981): "Dissociations Between the Effects of Hallucinogenic Drugs on Behavior and Raphe Unit Activity in Freely Moving Cats" Brain Res 215:275-293 Pierce P, Peroutka S (1990): "Antagonist Properties of d-LSD at 5-Hydroxytryptamine2 Receptors". Neuropsychopharmacolgy 3(5-6):509-517 Moret C (1985): "Pharmacology of the Serotonin Autoreceptor" From: Green, Neuropharmacology of Serotonin Glennon R (1990): "Do Classical Hallucinogens Act as 5-HT2 Agonists or Antagonists?" Neuropsychopharmacolgy 3(5-6):509-517 that oughtta keep you busy. i won't be responding to any more of your posts. |
By Skottey on Monday, June 29, 1998 - 12:11 pm: |
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By Martin on Monday, June 29, 1998 - 12:35 pm: |
No wonder you're so lonely. |
By Jim aka PajamaBoy on Monday, June 29, 1998 - 01:24 pm: |
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By Dave on Monday, June 29, 1998 - 01:50 pm: |
Kels, should I buy a coleus and a bag of ice and show you? |
By Nate on Monday, June 29, 1998 - 02:16 pm: |
uh huh uh huh uh huh. |
By Martin on Monday, June 29, 1998 - 03:17 pm: |
da-da-DAH! |
By Kelsey on Monday, June 29, 1998 - 04:34 pm: |
dave- hmmm, let me think about it.....no. |
By Skottey on Monday, June 29, 1998 - 05:27 pm: |
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By Mr. grim on Monday, June 29, 1998 - 08:16 pm: |
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By Martin on Monday, June 29, 1998 - 09:06 pm: |
Most everybody here is much more, um, "almighty" than me. And in recognition of your fine diet tips, health alerts, and relationship advice, you'll notice lots of great hints and alerts (like the one from Mr. Grim above) around here. You just have to keep providing us with your fine, well-considered views. And pj: YOU so crazy! |
By Skottey on Tuesday, June 30, 1998 - 11:59 am: |
That is the most overused phrase used by our friendly black community. I am not saying us whites are any better, we too have our stupid sayings. I try not to envolve myself in trying to be "hip" and use the "cool" words. As intelligent as you seem to think you are, why don't you come up with a few sayings of your own. That one is a little stale Martin. |
By Martin on Tuesday, June 30, 1998 - 05:15 pm: |
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By Nate on Tuesday, June 30, 1998 - 06:31 pm: |
oootydootydoo. woohoohahaho. |
By Skottey with an e on Tuesday, June 30, 1998 - 07:05 pm: |
I guess it just goes to show that none of us are perfect like some of us think we are. I have a habit of using profanity such as fuck, shit, asshole, bitch. Some people use "hip" words or phrases such as "You so Crazy" or "whatever". |
By Skottey with an e on Tuesday, June 30, 1998 - 07:08 pm: |
I guess it just goes to show that none of us are perfect like some of us think we are. I have a habit of using profanity such as fuck, shit, asshole, bitch. Some people use "hip" words or phrases such as "You so Crazy" or "whatever". |
By Chordata on Tuesday, June 30, 1998 - 07:19 pm: |
mission accomplished. p.s. i'm not so sure you should be giving writing and grammatical advice to people. that is also irony. pretty funny shit. |
By Skottey on Tuesday, June 30, 1998 - 07:55 pm: |
By the way, have you been on any interesting trips lately? Maybe right now. |
By Dave on Tuesday, June 30, 1998 - 08:15 pm: |
Is "sweeten the pot" a real idiomatic expression or am I combining different sayings. |
By Kelsey on Tuesday, June 30, 1998 - 09:15 pm: |
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By Nate on Wednesday, July 1, 1998 - 02:41 am: |
skotty: you're snapping like a cornered mongrel. do we "perfect" people frighten you? |
By Dave on Wednesday, July 1, 1998 - 05:22 am: |
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By Nate on Wednesday, July 1, 1998 - 02:34 pm: |
i dunno. i put sugar in my spaghetti sauce. i put sugar & peanutbutter in my chili. |
By Harry on Thursday, July 30, 1998 - 11:08 am: |
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Anyone who used & enjoyed drugs in their salad days has no business preaching abt their evils to other adults. ALL grown-ups have the right to pick their poison & take their chances. Same as you did, Skottey. And believe this: If you've got cognitive brain dysfuntion/you'll know immediately. Nobody even thinks abt their own brain function. But when yr brain starts misfiring/you know it right away. None of the many drugs I used when I was younger fucked w/my brain. Even the aneurysm I had for God-knows-how-long before it was found didn't fuck w/my brain. (And Skottey -- if you try to tell me that my brain aneurysm was caused by past drug usage/I'll keelhaul you!) It wasn't til they put me under w/some new anaesthesia drug to remove the aneurysm 2 yrs. ago that I went into a coma/ came out w/brain damage/& had to re-learn basic shit like how to drive a car & what keys are for & how to type & spell correctly. But I got very good cognitive therapy & I'm fine now. Despite the occasional brain fart &/or short-term memory lapses. Which/from what I've read/are common to women approaching or in their last years of fertility before the beginning of menopause (it's called periomenopause). Ginko helps alleviate it. And brain damage is so easy to get. Anyone can suffer a stroke or a car wreck or dive into a pool that's too shallow & end up a vegetable. The risk of damage from using psychotropic drugs is much lower than the risk you take every time you leave yr hse. I intend to buy myself a coleus plant & check out the buzz. If Chordata will supply me w/the latin name of the particular plant she used. I haven't gotten high since 1993. I miss it. |
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seven years seven trips...who are you calling crazy? I'm shouting in the dark, and no-one can hear me or see me... Wow...Skottey really is an uptight, pretentious little prick. LET PEOPLE LIVE THEIR OWN LIVES, FOR GOD SAKE!!! She probably isn't logged on anymore, and has probably forgotten this thread...but she's still a condescending bitch... My own personal note, for anyone reading this thread: Coleus is excellent stuff if you want mild, pseudo-psyloscibine-like visuals, and general euphoria. I recommend smoking it (four to twelve leaves, dried), since tea is weaker, more unpleasant, and takes longer to make. You can also chew a quid (six to ten leaves) for about fifteen minutes...the effects are much like smoking it, but some people don't like the taste (it's quite bitter) Some people say that if you smoke it with Harmala or MJ it vastly increases the effects, but I haven't tried this. REMEMBER: Harmala is an MAOI, so be very careful with it. most importantly DO YOUR RESEARCH! Study anything that you plan to take in depth before attempting it...don't just try it out of the blue and end up melting your liver, or something. That's all for now. Have Fun, Stay safe, and keep up the Good Vibes Remember, Enlightenment is within, not without. Good Luck! -Enlightened Guidance |
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me a copy of the Braille issue of Playboy magazine. Picture taken by a friend who since moved to New York and is now CEO of a company optimistically valued at $4.3 billion, Wall Street analysts' bit of cud chewing which said friend solipstically laughs off. The company might actually be worthless by Wall Street standards. I have been clearing out one of my closets for the last four days. Sobriety has its fidgety directionlessnesses. Among other relics from the last 18 years I found that handsome Playboy Braille volume, along with this handsomer photo of some stooge and Chordata, the letter of whom I will love forever. |
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Berkeley. there's this nut job who contacts me every 3 or 4 years asking if i know her e-mail address or other contact info. i always forward that request to Daniela before remembering that it's the same nut job who's been pestering her since kindergarten. it's no problem or anything, as she doesn't want her contact info out there, so it's better that i forward stuff like that to her than respond directly. next time i gotta remember to just ignore it. last i heard she was a nurse practitioner at a hospital for homeless people. she had a baby in 2012. Sarah - she e-mailed a few years ago asking for your e-mail. at the time the best guess i had was you @facebook.com. i guess i could have done a WHOIS on syrup.org but when the web site was not active i must have assumed you'd let the domain name go. did she ever reach you? she comes and goes through FB, always under some random name, couldn't tell you what alias she uses now that i'm off the grid and deactivated. |
no, i never got any correspondence from her. i'm happy to know she reached out, disappointed we didn't connect. i love seeing her picture. syrup.org still belongs to me and hopefully will stay in our family after i'm dead. a few times a year i get offers for it, which i always ignore. |
i ignored it, but get offers for it and other domains several times a year. those offers don't usually include a dollar amount, so the $350 figure was kind of curious. years ago i sold rockingchair.com to a custom rocking chair concern for $5000. they approached me, i never actively solicited a sale of that domain, and it's the only one i ever sold. i was about to type the whole story about Leslie Harpold and the weird way in which i discovered that she was once thinking of registering nocabal.com, but i remembered that i already posted that story here in another thread. i registered nocabal.com in her memory. i recently let that domain expire, partly because i'm out of money to spend on such things but also because my connection to Leslie was not so strong that i have an appropriate role in keeping a candle lit for her 10+ years on. whenever i set up my living trust i'm provisioning to have some trace of my web sites stay alive forever, or until they kill the Internet, the latter which i honestly believe will happen eventually... not necessarily a physical destruction. last year i'd been working with a really interesting dude from Hartford, CT, who wants to use UPPITY.com as his kvetch platform. such an interesting dude with whose problems i sympathize and even identify. he was nominated deputy mayor of Hartford, but a background check turned up that he'd been arrested several times as a teenager and in his 20s for gun possession and possession of cocaine (i think that's what he was busted for). a full 80% of kids who grew up in Hartford carried guns and dealt drugs, often times getting booked just on suspicion. it is so unfair to me that one's life has to be perpetually ruined for having made youthful mistakes, especially when they were part of the culture in which you lived. i remember my mother saying about Bill Clinton and that whole "didn't inhale" thing, she couldn't understand why you would want to vote for anybody who did *not* smoke pot in the 60s. anyway, the UPPITY.com guy, he seems to have lost his enthusiasm for using that domain as a pulpit (he's a busy guy, really likeable, wish i could get to know him better), so i'll probably return my psychedelic poetry to that site. reason i related to his situation is that my future was at the brink of being similarly imperiled when i just got out of college. i never spoke of it publicly because other people were involved and they have reputations now that could be tarnished if details of this incident got out. i'd be happy to talk about it because i think the case was pursued out of utter bullshit ignorance and paranoia, though in the end i have to say that calmer heads prevailed. it just took 2 years and then of thousands of dollars in legal fees to calm those fucking heads. i was on probation for 5 years. among my first memories of living in New York was the required weekly visit to a probation officer in lower Manhattan. i only had to do that for a year (he was very sympathetic to how overzealously the FBI and Secret Service pursued this matter) and then i was on limited probation for 4 more years, a span of time during which the charges could have been re-opened by the attorney general and/or the specific company that was suing us. while my attorney never considered this a serious possibility i still spent years under the cloud of worry that the bloodthirstiness that characterized the prosecution's pursuit of things would resurface. the charges involved phone phreaking and breaking into corporate voicemail systems. the court record is sealed, and should stay that way in perpetuity. i am not as tormented as i used to be by how close this affair came to sending myself and dozens others to 2 decades in prison. had we broken into a bank's voicemail or used computers with modems then we would almost certainly have faced a mandatory sentence. it's never really left me but i remember the day the limited probation period ended. i don't remember the day and date but i remember feeling the fog lift. all that is behind why i offered to give the aforementioned individual UPPITY.com for free, even though i get offers for that domain 4 or 5 times a year, one offer at $3500 but that was years ago and came from a very shady looking source. UPPITY was going to be a grousing ground for one whose ambitions and goals are thwarted at every turn by geophagic news reporters. i got away with a sealed court case and no criminal record not because i or my family had those tens of thousands of dollars to throw at legal fees but because the father of one other kid involved in this mess did. i have never felt morally good or clean about that. i was considered a leader or instigator of this nonsense but FBI and Secret Service interviews and depositions with some of the others involved went on for over a year before i was allowed to know anything. i'll never forget my college roommate asking me why the FBI was coming around asking for me. i forget what i told her but i probably made it sound like someone else had done something and i was a witness, or blahblah, i didn't know how that stuff worked and i guess she didn't either because she believed whatever i told her. |