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sorabji.com: What have you failed to do?: feed them

By Nate on Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 01:15 pm:

    i got this from my mom. it was written by the daughter of one of my aunt's friends.


    My daughter Aine and I were walking in the woods today playing a game. She was pretending that there were monsters in the forest and that they were coming to eat us. We had to be vigilant. We had to defend ourselves.

    I asked her "What is the plan? What are we going to do if we see one of the monsters?"

    She replied, "Feed them."

    "Feed them?" I said.

    "Yes," she said. "If we feed them they won't want to eat us."

    I think she has the answer there. Imagine if George Bush took that $40 billion that Congress gave him and used it to feed people. Heck, take $20 billion to fix up US security and clean up New York and use the other half to feed people. And not just feed them with food.

    What if we decided that people's spirits needing feeding too? What if we chose to take $1 billion and build the biggest, most beautiful mosque in the world, right in the heart of Kabul. And what if we gave it as a gift, no quid pro quo, as a place for people to feed their spirits? What would the reaction be? What do we want the reaction to be? We have choices:
    It seems we could bomb innocent people to death and celebrate, mirroring the images of this week, and thereby satisfy our thirst for vengeance. But what would that get us? A world that so admired the West that it wanted to emulate it in every way and celebrates its way of life? Or would a large part of the 5 billion people that don't live in the west see things differently? Would more people feel as if vengeance was the only possible response, and figure out more simple and
    effective ways to terrorize? We can have that kind of world if we choose it.

    Or we can take Aine's advice and feed people. And what would that get us? There is no better way to rob the world of it's anger and bitterness, jealousy and hate, than to feed people
    unconditionally...feed their bodies, minds and spirits. Build places of learning, places of spirit, places for healing and nourishment, places of community.

    Take that $40 billion dollars and spend it in every neighborhood in the world. Put the world to work growing food, healing people, restoring land and water, building communities, creating the thin fibres of connection between peoples, families, communities, cities, nations....

    "If we feed them they won't want to eat us." Can you think of a better form of security?


By patrick on Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 01:32 pm:

    im shitting my shorts thats so profound.

By Dougie on Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 01:39 pm:

    Amen, Nate.

    Fortunately, my shorts are dry, but my eyes aren't.

By The Watcher on Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 01:50 pm:

    I don't think it matters what we do. They will still hate us. And, the Monsters will still eat us.

    "Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he eats for life." To bad it doesn't make him a nicer person as well.

By Czarina on Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 01:51 pm:

    Wow,what a perceptive child.

    I got a letter from Berkley this morning.It was written by a proff,who has been here 35 years,but is originally from Afganistan.

    It is very poinent.But I don't know how to post it here.

    Could I maybe forward it one of you,that knows how,and you could post it?

    Its worth the read.

By patrick on Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 01:52 pm:

    you know watcher.....we;ve never tried this approach before, what have we to loose?

    we've retaliated with bombs before, and we see where thats got us.

    the way i see it, we have nothing to loose.

By Dougie on Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 02:01 pm:

    Is this the one you mean, Czarina:

    DaveNet essay, "Mir Tamim Ansary on Afghanistan", released on 9/14/2001;
    4:28:07 PM Pacific.

    ***Mir Tamim Ansary on Afghanistan

    I've been hearing a lot of talk about "bombing Afghanistan back to the
    Stone Age." Ronn Owens [2], on KGO Talk Radio today, allowed that this
    would mean killing innocent people, people who had nothing to do with
    this atrocity, but "we're at war, we have to accept collateral damage.
    What else can we do?" Minutes later I heard some TV pundit discussing
    whether we "have the belly to do what must be done."

    And I thought about the issues being raised especially hard because I am
    from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived here for 35 years I've never
    lost track of what's going on there. So I want to tell anyone who will
    listen how it all looks from where I'm standing.

    I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. There is no
    doubt in my mind that these people were responsible for the atrocity in
    New York. I agree that something must be done about those monsters.

    But the Taliban and Ben Laden are not Afghanistan. They're not even the
    government of Afghanistan. The Taliban are a cult of ignorant psychotics
    who took over Afghanistan in 1997. Bin Laden is a political criminal with
    a plan. When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When you think Bin Laden,
    think Hitler. And when you think "the people of Afghanistan" think "the
    Jews in the concentration camps." It's not only that the Afghan people
    had nothing to do with this atrocity. They were the first victims of the
    perpetrators. They would exult if someone would come in there, take out
    the Taliban and clear out the rats nest of international thugs holed up
    in their country.

    Some say, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the Taliban? The
    answer is, they're starved, exhausted, hurt, incapacitated, suffering. A
    few years ago, the United Nations estimated that there are 500,000
    disabled orphans in Afghanistan , a country with no economy, no food.
    There are millions of widows. And the Taliban has been burying these
    widows alive in mass graves. The soil is littered with land mines, the
    farms were all destroyed by the Soviets. These are a few of the reasons
    why the Afghan people have not overthrown the Taliban.

    We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age.
    Trouble is, that's been done. The Soviets took care of it already. Make
    the Afghans suffer? They're already suffering. Level their houses? Done.
    Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done. Eradicate their hospitals?
    Done. Destroy their infrastructure? Cut them off from medicine and health
    care? Too late. Someone already did all that.

    New bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier bombs. Would they at
    least get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's Afghanistan, only the
    Taliban eat, only they have the means to move around. They'd slip away
    and hide. Maybe the bombs would get some of those disabled orphans, they
    don't move too fast, they don't even have wheelchairs. But flying over
    Kabul and dropping bombs wouldn't really be a strike against the
    criminals who did this horrific thing. Actually it would only be making
    common cause with the Taliban--by raping once again the people they've
    been raping all this time

    So what else is there? What can be done, then? Let me now speak with true
    fear and trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden is to go in there with
    ground troops. When people speak of "having the belly to do what needs to
    be done" they're thinking in terms of having the belly to kill as many as
    needed. Having the belly to overcome any moral qualms about killing
    innocent people. Let's pull our heads out of the sand. What's actually on
    the table is Americans dying. And not just because some Americans would
    die fighting their way through Afghanistan to Bin Laden's hideout. It's
    much bigger than that folks. Because to get any troops to Afghanistan,
    we'd have to go through Pakistan. Would they let us? Not likely. The
    conquest of Pakistan would have to be first. Will other Muslim nations
    just stand by? You see where I'm going. We're flirting with a world war
    between Islam and the West.

    And guess what: that's Bin Laden's program. That's exactly what he wants.
    That's why he did this. Read his speeches and statements. It's all right
    there. He really believes Islam would beat the west. It might seem
    ridiculous, but he figures if he can polarize the world into Islam and
    the West, he's got a billion soldiers. If the west wreaks a holocaust in
    those lands, that's a billion people with nothing left to lose, that's
    even better from Bin Laden's point of view. He's probably wrong, in the
    end the west would win, whatever that would mean, but the war would last
    for years and millions would die, not just theirs but ours. Who has the
    belly for that? Bin Laden does. Anyone else?

    Mir Tamim Ansary

By J on Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 02:01 pm:

    I'd like to see it Czarina,but I don't know how to do it,if I did I would have posted some pictures of the critters I saw before this whole tragic mess happened.

By patrick on Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 02:08 pm:

    a friend whom i shared this with mentioned the Childrens stories "Give a Mouse a Cookie" , "Give a Pig a Pancake" etc. Though I never read them, he gave me the jist.....

    Give a mouse a cookie, he'll want a glass of milk, give him a glass of milk and he'll want a straw and so on...

By Czarina on Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 02:15 pm:

    Yes,thats the article,Dougie.It throws a whole different perspective on things.

    But Patrick has a very valid point.

    More,moRE MORE!

By oscar on Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 02:22 pm:

    is someone going to quote that "All I need to know I learned in Kindergarten" guy pretty soon?

By oscar on Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 02:23 pm:

    HEY! I know! Let's make it illegal globally for anyone over the age of six to hold political office!

By The Watcher on Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 02:29 pm:

    It would never pass.

    It makes to much sence.

By pez on Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 03:08 pm:

    dangit, screwed again.

By Alex on Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 06:10 pm:

    yes i agree with you there, that was a very profound statment Nate.

    Children are so wise

    what happens in later life that makes us so stupid and ignorant?

By J on Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 06:46 pm:


By peter on Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 09:16 pm:

    and children

By patrick on Thursday, September 20, 2001 - 12:06 pm:

    would these people want an American made mosque?

By droop on Thursday, September 20, 2001 - 01:00 pm:

    a nice big mosque made of glass and steel which gleams in the desert sun would make everything all better.

By Ophelia on Monday, September 24, 2001 - 02:47 am:

    with solar panels

By moooo on Monday, September 24, 2001 - 05:16 am:

    and naked slave boys to hand out cocktails.

    wait is this serious?

By Czarina on Monday, September 24, 2001 - 09:23 am:

    I'm in,if there's naked slave boys involved.

By droopy on Monday, September 24, 2001 - 11:30 am:

    and air conditioning.

By patrick on Monday, September 24, 2001 - 12:01 pm:

    can we just have normal boys?

    not those cut, chiseled Athenian-sliced super hero types i see so much of here in gay media headquarters.com institute incorporated?

    Just normal guys.....and maybe a loin cloth or two.

By The Watcher on Monday, September 24, 2001 - 03:39 pm:

    Nothing we would do could possibly change their opinions of us.

    The Islamic Terrorists only want to kill the unbelievers. That is anyone who does not follow their brand of Islam.

    I saw this on MSNBC at 1:00AM this morning. In a program about life in Afganistan. It was a year old docementart originally titled "Abandon all Hope".

    The Arabic POW's in Northern Afganistan had no quams about doing anything to kill the non-believers. Men, women, children it just doesn't matter.

By moonit on Monday, September 24, 2001 - 05:14 pm:

    Patrick, the slave boys in my dreams are never gay. It would be wrong*. And you can have one with round tummy. And a loincloth boxer shorts.

    *gay boys are not wrong, they just don't work in my fantasy life.

By patrick on Monday, September 24, 2001 - 05:44 pm:

    nor mine

    they give me self image complexes.

By droopy on Monday, September 24, 2001 - 05:52 pm:

    people thought i was a gay boy last night because i was wearing a bright red crushed-velvet shirt. and drank wine. i'll see them again tonight, so this time i'll wear a manly shirt and drink straight whisky.

    and maybe a turban.

By patrick on Monday, September 24, 2001 - 05:55 pm:

    turban, wife beater and slug whisky from the bottle.

By Czarina on Monday, September 24, 2001 - 11:22 pm:

    If possible,I'd like to keep my naked slave boys straight.And they wouldn't be naked,if we let them wear loincloths.

    Have any of you ever seen that tribe,that run around buck naked,except they wear 6 foot long sticks on their penis'? Strangest thing I ever saw.

    It showed them training their young male children,how to wear and be able to run with the stick-penis thingy's.The children had much shorter stick things.I guess so they don't poke out each others eyes,untill they get more proficient with them.

By patrick on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 11:35 am:

    how does, say a 6ft man walk, muchless run with a 6ft stick protruding from his body, at waist/groin level?

    i think you are making this entire story up.

    some weird and twisted fantasy about men, younger men, "training" and their relative "6ft stick penis's"

    Further, I think it interesting...not once did i say these mythical fellas be gay....i just didnt want them to look like the male imagery i see around here. Yet several interpreted that i wanted them gay.

    well maybe not interesting


By droopy on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 11:58 am:

By Czarina on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 01:48 pm:

    Yes,yes! Thats them! Thank you Droopy.I can never remember the name of their tribe.Damndest thing I ever saw.

    But the documentary that I saw,all they had on were their dick-sticks.Not that cute little hoop skirt thing.It was weird,they were standing around talking,and their dick-sticks were pointing straight up,towards the sky.[maybe keeping them pointing upwards,while talking,is a rule,that had to be implemented,in relation to eyes getting poked out,when the conversation gets heated]

    They showed one guy,who was getting married,and he was adding all kinds of adornments to his stick.
    So maybe they have different dick-sticks,for different occasions.Like casual-wear,and dress wear,for those more formal occasions.

    The children were cute,running around with their little mini-dick-sticks.

By Czarina on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 02:07 pm:

By Czarina on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 02:20 pm:

    "crackpot" indeed.

    Patrick,maybe you could make yourself a penis-gourd,wear it around town,and see if you can run with it on.Then tell us if you had difficulty maneurving around with it on.[it might be wise for Nico to wear saftey goggles,untill you master it]

By J on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 03:33 pm:

    God I hope they take those off before bumping uglies.

By pez on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 03:38 pm:



By The Watcher on Wednesday, September 26, 2001 - 02:23 pm:

    I won't even go there.

    It's to dangerous around here.


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