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By Platypus on Saturday, June 21, 2003 - 01:25 am:

    Ok, I really can't take it much longer. Someone on the East Coast should buy a copy of the new Harry Potter and tell me what happens.

    I'm getting worked up into a fever pitch just be reading Google news, I am so excited and such a nerd I can hardly stand it and only 2 1/2 more hours and I can read it!

    Maybe I'm the only one who's excited about this. Shit, I can't fucking WAIT!

By wisper on Saturday, June 21, 2003 - 11:27 pm:

    i went to check out the Harry Potter lineup at the bookstore this weekend, they opened at midnight and had balloons and everything. the line went half way down the block. It was nuts! There were people wearing wizard hats in line n' shit.

By eri on Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 12:50 am:

    I decided it would be better for my sanity if I didn't go. I am hoping one of my friends gets their books soon, so I can borrow it. I really want a copy of the book, but I am willing to wait until I have the cash and the rush is partially over. Less freaks in hats to deal with, though I am tempted in light of this to go shopping in my old witches costume, except it is a little too skimpy :)

By agatha on Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 02:07 pm:

    wisper, i think you should be in charge of reporting all strange cultural phenomenons. you are very good at it.

By eri on Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 07:32 pm:

    Wisper is the one who goes to all of the places we make fun of but never thought of going to, and then comes back with amazing reports. I love it! She should be our strange cultural phenomena liason!!!!

By moonit on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 12:43 am:

    I have two chapters to go. Then I am going to read it again.

    Got it Sunday at 2.30 - read from 3 - 6.30 when we had to leave for dinner and a movie - read another chapter or two this morning, but couldnt quite finish before I had to leave to go to work.

    Stupid work.

By 32.16 on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 02:19 am:

    I stayed up reading it until five on Saturday. It's a quick read kind of book. I actually wasn't as impressed (if that's the word) with it as I was hoping to be. I like the third book the best, personally. I just think for three fucking years she could have done a better job.

By Platypus on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 02:19 am:

    Above was me, by the way.

    I also totally called the plot, all my little predictions (who he hooks up with kinda and who dies, mainly) came true. Go nerd go!

By Spider on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 10:05 am:

    I'm about half-way done (p. 440 or something). I preordered it from Amazon, so I've got no exciting midnight release tales to tell.

    Please, nobody spoil the plot or tell us who dies, okay? At least until I'm done. :P

By Spider on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 12:18 pm:

    BTW, I know someone who went to a midnight release dressed as a dementor! But he had his kids with him, dressed as little wizards, so it was okay. He said he was disappointed that he was the only adult in the store in costume. People are no fun...

By wisper on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 01:41 pm:

    "i think you should be in charge of reporting all strange cultural phenomenons"

    i thought i already was!

    i thought about that as soon as i typed it, this is the second big line i've gone to look at in the past month. What's wrong with me???

    in fairness, it just happened to be on the way home from picking up Rowlf & housemate after their late showing of the Hulk. I wasn't sitting in my car in the parking lot with a coffee for hours and hours with a big foam #1 finger...."Bring on the LINE!!!"

    But i do love watching people. Especially in food courts at malls. They're so predictable, yet surprising. Malls are better than tv.


    holy shit i think housemate left an in-progress naked painting of his girlfriend out in his closet and i can see it from his comp! ! ! ! this is not right! ! ! !

By eri on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 02:04 pm:

    I love people watching, too. Malls are great, but so are amusement parks. You can try to pick apart the relationships of the people walking around, and it's funny. Especially if you actually talk to any of them and find out that you were totally right!

    I am waiting to buy the book until after we get paid, and wish my friends had one I could borrow. I was hoping that it would be darker that the 4th book, and am curious about the rumors of Draco Malfoy dying. Wanna see if Ron figures out he's hot for Hermione, blah, blah, blah, like the next day of the soap opera. It's driving me nuts that I am not reading this book!

    The third was my favorite book so far, as well. I am looking forward to the movie......Alan Rickman and Gary Oldman in an attitude contest......hehehe. Can't wait to see it! I also love the actor playing Professor Lupin. I didn't automatically think of him, but once I saw his name in the roll, I thought he was perfect for the part. Maybe I will be expecting too much of the actors, though. I dunno.

By Spider on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 02:27 pm:

    That's David Thewlis. I've only seen him play a skeevy child molestor, so I'm having trouble with him as Lupin right now.

    I'm on p. 494 now.

    I don't want Draco to die -- so far, the book is leaning heavily on the "band together to fight the Big Evil" motif, so it would be a shame if that comes to naught and he's killed.

    (I also have the sneaking suspicion that he's got a thing for Hermione, and that makes him hate her. I want to see if I'm right.)

    Dammit, why do I have to work?

By Platypus on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 03:06 pm:

    I have the Hermione theory too!

    And the third book is still my favourite...by far. This book is...well, it is darker, but I don't really like the angry adolescent thing Harry's got going on right now. I'm glad she's aging her characters but do they need to YELL all the time?

By eri on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 03:11 pm:

    David Thewlis played Einan on Dragonheart. I think that is where I first remembered him. I have seen him in other things too, but I don't remember much right now.

    I have always wondered about that with Draco and Hermione.

    I totally need to read this book.

By Spider on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 03:15 pm:

    Wait...my theory or eri's?

    Ron and Hermione argue a lot in book #5, so I'm sure that's got to mean they'll hook up eventually, but I like my angst-ridden "draco likes hermione, but her mudblood makes him hate her and hate himself for liking her" theory much better. Ron is so annoying.

By Spider on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 03:17 pm:

    Oops, didn't see your post, Eri.

    I WILL finish the book tonight, I've promised myself.

By moonit on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 05:11 pm:

    I can't wait for the next one. Andrew is reading it now - he's not impressed. But if I think how I was at 15 - Harry is just like that.

    I liked it - I'm kinda upset though.

By semillama on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 07:50 pm:

    so - anyone read "Everything is Illuminated" yet?

By heather on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 08:42 pm:

    most of it

    i had to stop at the end cause i was stressed
    at work and the book was making me cry

By agatha on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 10:54 pm:

    I'm on like page 60. I'm having a hard time getting through it, but I'm enjoying it. I think I have to stop picking it up right before I go to bed, it's causing problems. Two pages, and I'm all zzzzzzzzzz.

By Spider on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 09:30 am:

    I think I'm on page 60, too. I read, like, 6 books at one time, so it's hard to make much progress on any one book because I get distracted.

    I make an exception for Harry Potter. I finished it last night.

    I...ummm...I cried at the end. Not when the person actually died, but at the part in the next chapter when someone didn't believe that the person was dead and went looking for the person.

    I'm so ashamed.

By kazoo on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 09:59 am:

    Nothing to be ashamed about. I cry at just about everything these days.

By Spider on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 10:53 am:

    Aw, Kazoo. I hope you feel better soon.

By kazoo on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 10:56 am:

    Thanks. It's not all bad though.

By patrick on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 01:04 pm:


By moonit on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 04:35 pm:

    Spider - so did I. I bawled in the book before though when Cedric did.

By Spider on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 04:53 pm:

    I was shocked by Cedric's death but I didn't cry. I usually (this is true in real life, too) don't get upset by the person's death, but by other people's grief after the death.

    I am so glad, on that note, that Harry frequently thought about Cedric in book #5 -- I can't stand it when traumatic events happen in books/movies/TV, and characters move on without a backward glance. That's another thing I liked about LOTR, too -- all throughout the 2nd and 3rd books, characters were still thinking about Boromir and mourning him. That makes it much more realistic, in a human/emotional sense.

By Spider on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 05:00 pm:

    Are we allowed to talk about the end of book #5 yet?

    Let me just say I loved learning about Harry's father's personality and his relationship with Snape. Poor Snape. :(

By Platypus on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 12:13 am:

    I know, you really start to feel for him. He had a tortured youth, even though he was a death eater--want to hear more about how that came about.

    I hated everything is illuminated, I vote that Harry Potter becomes the june/july selection since we're all talking about it anyway.

    All backordered now, too. They printed 8.5 million copies and they're out. Wow.

By Spider on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 09:40 am:

    I'll second that nomination, but does that mean that those who haven't read the first four books will have to catch up? I don't think you can appreciate book #5 unless you know what Harry has been through already (and what his personality was like in the beginning).

By eri on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 11:27 am:

    GODDAMNIT I need a copy of this book!!!!!! The Wal-Mart's and Sam's Club's in Missouri still have tons of them. Apparently you can't find them anywhere here.

By semillama on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 07:13 pm:

    I thought that we nixed nominating books in a series for the book club. But you can read it if you want. I'm no big fan of the books. I really don't see what's so special about them.

By sarah on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 11:50 am:

    a friend gave me the first harry potter book to read while i was in bed for six weeks following the Gnarly Surgery. i couldn't finish it, and forever have a negative association with all things harry potter.

    i'm on heavy pain medication right now.

By Spider on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 01:28 pm:

    I hope Platy comes back and reads this...

    I have a general question about Lucius Malfoy -- how the heck has he been allowed to roam around freely, if it's common knowledge (as it appears to be) that he's a Death Eater?

    I thought it was neat that we finally got a tiny glimpse of Mrs. Malfoy (Narcissa Black). Draco's mother....what must she be like?

By Platypus on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 02:10 pm:

    I that Malfoy just stealthed it out, and bribed people in the right places. It really isn't very logical since he's obviously a death eater and runs around muttering about Mudbloods. I'm waiting for chaos to erupt if it turns out Draco does dig on Hermione...

    It's common knowledge among our little group of heroes, but they don't have much credit in society, so...

    I liked getting much more back ground on Snape and Sirius and their whole scene, I feel that those characters have more depth now.

By Spider on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 02:30 pm:

    OK, I buy that.

    All of Snape's horrible behavior makes much more sense now that we know what his damage is. Re-reading the scene where he and Sirius fight over who gets to teach Harry Occlumency....Snape looks so much better. Sirius still calling him Snivellus? Please!

    I had forgotten about this -- one thing in this book that I am so glad to finally see is at the end, where Draco sneers something at Harry and Harry says, basically, "Why are you still picking on me? Can't you see how powerful I am?" That's one thing that has bugged me all throughout the series -- Draco clearly sees that Harry is strong enough to defeat Voldemort 2, 3, 4 times...and he still bullies him? That never made any sense to me.

    I hope Rowling spends some time on Draco's character development in the next book. He hasn't changed much from the first book, and that seems like sloppiness or oversight on her part.

By Spider on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 02:40 pm:

    Sem, I agree -- I don't think the books are that special. But they're fun, and the world Rowling has created is intricate and interesting, and they have enough diversity in character that every kid can relate to them in some way. Their messages are enlightened (for example, it's not your innate abilities that make you who you are, it's your choices), and they're actually written on a pre-teen's reading level. (As opposed to Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials, which is clearly for adults, in my opinion, child protagonists and marketing targets notwithstanding.) They're not works of great literature, like the Narnia books, but they're pretty good.

    Personally, I like them because I think they're creative and engaging, and the overall plot has hooked me into caring about what happens to Harry and his friends at the end of the series. I don't doubt that he'll kill the bad guy, but I want to see how he does it and what the fallout is like.

By semillama on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 02:44 pm:

    To tell the truth, the movies really killed any desire to go out and read any of the books afer the first one - if they are that true to the text, then what's the point of reading the book when you know what's going to happen page to page?

    That's why I like the LOTR movies so much - Jackson changes enough that there are still surprises while remaining essential true to the overall story line and spirit of the books.

    Which leads me to mention that I am going to pick up that series again, like I promised myself I would do before the last movie came out. It's been at least four years or more since I've read them.

By Spider on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 02:46 pm:

    Look, here is a thread Margret started about Harry Potter #3, and I mentioned my confusion about Draco in there.

    That's a great thread. All those children's fantasy books.

    Did you know Neil Gaiman has written a few kids' books? I gotta get me some of those.

    I need a library card.

By Spider on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 02:58 pm:

    "if they are that true to the text, then what's the point of reading the book when you know what's going to happen page to page?"

    But, Sem, you could say that about *any* book that has been made into a film. Any film that follows the book's plot faithfully will still leave out tons of the book's details -- that's the best incentive to read the book if you've liked the movie.

    (And the Harry Potter books don't make you listen to the horror that was Moaning Myrtle in the movie. Another incentive.)

    (On the other hand, the Harry Potter movies have Alan Rickman, and will have Gary Oldman. *swoon and swoon*)

    Besides, if you've already read the books and love them, you want the film to remain true to the text. I wasn't happy about the changes in the Two Towers movie.

By eri on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 03:05 pm:

    "On the other hand, the Harry Potter movies have Alan Rickman, and will have Gary Oldman. *swoon and swoon*"

    Hell Yeah! I am so looking forward to the third movie just for that!

    I didn't think that the second movie was all that true to text, I mean, they didn't change the story line or anything, but damn did they leave a LOT out.

    I am going crazy. I totally need to read that book!!!!!!! Someone needs to lend me a copy when they are done with theirs. Unfortunately everyone I know has a waiting list for people borrowing their book :(

By semillama on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 05:01 pm:

    They did leave stuff out? From what I could tell about the first one, they left out only one scene.

By eri on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 05:43 pm:

    They may have only left out one scene, though I think there were more (like Dudley and his friends beating the crap out of Harry, and stuff like that), but they also cut others short, so the scene was there, but only half of what was in the book. They also left out quiddich matches, only one match in the movie, and the things surrounding the other matches. it's not major stuff, and they don't really change the storyline much, but they still leave stuff out and change stuff. I was actually dissappointed in the second movie because of the changes, but it is a good enough movie on it's own, and the kids love it.

    Hayley now loves to compare the books to the movies and point out the differences between the book and the movies to her little friends as she watches the movies with them.

By agatha on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 08:43 pm:

    Cleo and I were reading "Coraline" together for awhile, but then she finished it on her own. It's pretty cool.

    I also read a Neil Gaimon book recently called "Stardust", or something similar. I totally loved it.

    Page 90 of "Everything is Illuminated" now. I'm officially into it, and am in love with Sammy Davis Junior Junior.

By eri on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 11:33 pm:

    Hayley is working on the 4th Potter book. Micki is working on a book that takes normal things kids see every day and puts them to words, so she can start on letter recognition, and sounds. I am reading M'Lady Witch by Christopher Stasheff. I love this book. It is my favorite book to read and read and read over and over again. It wil have to fill the hole of lack of better books to read.

    I guess I am easily bored with books, though. So I am waiting until I can get my hands on the new Potter book, looking at all of your comments and going crazy, and think that, when I finish this book again, I will try the LOTR books again.

By moonit on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 11:55 pm:

    I don't think you can get the full effect of a book successfuly translated into a movie. The Harry Potter books are much better in print.

    Andrew finished the fifth one on Wednesday night. He's still not totally impressed. He thought the ending was weak.

By eri on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 01:05 am:

    I think in order to get the full effect of a book in a movie, you would have to have a reasonably smaller book to work with. I have always thought it would be so cool if they made a movie out of M'Lady Witch. It could cross multiple generations between the politics, fighting, romance, and just the whole fantasy side of it. Though I would want to play the female lead in the movie :)

    It is a small book compared to most though, and it is it's size and fast pace that makes you think it might actually work in a movie.

    Most books don't have that because they have too many characters and the depth of those characters to get across in their book, where as this is part of a large series, so you already know the character, which in turn would make that hard to get across on film.

    Most movies aren't nearly as good as the books, though. The only times I have found the movie better was when the movie preceeded the book.

    I don't care if the ending is dissapointing. I still wanna read it!


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