I haven't yet.

sorabji.com: When is the last time you had sex?: I haven't yet.
By Scott on Tuesday, March 17, 1998 - 01:38 am:
    I'm 28. I don't think I'm wierdo. Heaven knows I've had the chances; I just want to wait 'til I'm married. Whaddaya all think 'bout that?

By Nate on Tuesday, March 17, 1998 - 11:19 am:
    I think you should test the product before you buy.

    I know, that sounds pretty lame, but honestly sex is one of the primary functions of human physiology and psychology. Not only does a good marriage almost always depend on a good sex life, but a good, long, happy life depends on a good sex life. You need to pair up with someone who is good for you sexually.

    Besides, do you really want launch your load after fifteen minutes on your honeymoon? You needs some practices.

By GaJay on Saturday, April 25, 1998 - 01:13 pm:
    Right on, Nate! Saving yourself is a good idea, but how practical is it, REALLY? Denying oneself of one of lifes greatest joys just doesn't seem logical....

By CarrieAnn on Sunday, April 26, 1998 - 07:30 am:
    Well, I think you have to do what *you* want to do. If that's how you feel comfortable and that's what makes you happy, then by all means, thats what you should do.

    But, yeah.. I agree with Nate and GaJay also. Sex is one of life's greatest joys, at least in my humble opinion (as well as others , i see) and it is nice to gain experience beforehand. (Not to mention fun) Taking the obvious precaustions of course. But that also depends on your partner that you do find and intend to have sex with. You can also learn together.. assuming you find someone who hasn't had sex yet, themselves. You'll have to take their word on that one.

    Back to what I said though.. you have to do what you feel is best, of course. If you're resisiting just because of this idea you have that you have to wait til marriage, then that's different. But if it's because you truly want to do this, to wait, then go for it. Stick it out. And I commend you, cuz there's no way I could've done that. I'm 20 and I lost my virginity when I was 16.

By Cobalt on Friday, May 15, 1998 - 11:15 pm:
    I agree that you can't restrain human nature (Gods ignored rise up as daemons - Liber Boomerang) and it's a damn powerful thing, or at least it should be. I think I might speak for more than one magician when I say that it's not right watered down and 'mass-produced' - so prevalent.
    It's either going to be a great thing (which, if you're with someone you love and have made a committment to) or a miserable, tormentous spiral of pain (which is what happens when you don't want it). Either way, it has power. Waiting ...leaves the magic in it, I think. And that's a good thing.

By Scott on Tuesday, June 9, 1998 - 10:47 am:
    Listen to you guys. Spock would be proud.

By Nate on Tuesday, June 9, 1998 - 02:03 pm:
    Dr. or Mr.?

By Scott on Wednesday, June 10, 1998 - 02:47 am:

By Christina on Wednesday, June 10, 1998 - 11:13 am:
    Scott, I was a virgin who got married last year (age 29) and my fiance and I agreed to wait. We are very happy that we did-although it made things kind of difficult during our dating/engagement period. (He wasn't a virgin but he respected my decision.)
    Stick to your morals, you'll be thankful later.

By Nate on Wednesday, June 10, 1998 - 01:15 pm:
    Morals schmorals.

    test the goods. people win the lottery, too, but that doesn't mean you will if you play.

By Odball Odd on Wednesday, June 17, 1998 - 01:05 pm:
    The fact is that, for most people (not all,) the morays and arbitrary disciplines that our society subscribed to in past years have been exposed for the puritanical, sex-fearing brainwashing that they were.

    Is our society better the way it is now? Doesn't seem like it. That is because we still have an illogical phobia regarding normal, hormonal drives and still tend to equate them with EVIL SPIRITS and shit like that. Why is a "BAD GIRL" one that really enjoys sex...and why is a "BAD GIRL" so exciting to some men? Because, in part, we think that we are "getting away with something forbidden" when we are having sex, instead of seeing it as the TREMENDOUS NATURAL GIFT that is REALLY IS!!!

    As dumb as it may sound, some countries are far-and-away more permissive sexually than us, and their cultures thrive without all of the twisted sexual behavior that AMERICANS exibit.


By Mr. DickWeed on Wednesday, June 17, 1998 - 02:51 pm:
    Will you play dead for me? I'd love to crawl all over you, and Then some.
    I'm at the intersection of Death and Life that turns me on. If yeow would like to make left turn at this avenue, get in touch with. . . uh, that's MR. DickWeed

By Secret responder on Thursday, June 18, 1998 - 12:14 pm:
    Nate must be built of steel. He warned Scott that he would blast in 15 minutes on his honeymoon if he didn't get any practice.
    For me, I blast in 2 minutes everytime, even if I got laid the day before. I can however keep going and shoot about 3 loads before I am finished..
    Scott- You better hurry up, you have already missed your sexual peak, if you don't get it on soon you may need Viagra to get it up. You must masturbate like crazy, I know I do whenever I get one of those six month stretches between sex, I can only imagine being a virgin at your age. Wow!
    Good Luck

By Frau bilznich on Thursday, June 18, 1998 - 07:16 pm:
    it's a state of mind, more than anything else.

    2 minutes isn't very long. what's that, 6 minutes total after 3 loads?

    if you're a short shooter you might try whistlin' dixie on your own 10-15 minutes before you go for it.

    then you might be able to pack a longer whallop.

    i don't think i can modestly comment on my performance.

By Sister syrup on Thursday, June 18, 1998 - 09:33 pm:
    sheeeit. good sex ain't about how long you can go before shooting your load. i've had guys banging me for an hour nonstop while i was busy making mental grocery lists. he just wasn't doing it for me and finally i had to stop him and ask,

    "What are you going for here?"

    and he said

    "I want to come again."

    and i said

    "What can I do to help make that happen for you?"

    and he said

    "Suck me."

    so i did, and we were done three minutes later.

    guys, if you can't make her get off in 15 minutes, an extra 45 minutes isn't going to make a difference.

    premarital sex isn't an audition. it's practice. if you want to be good at something, practice a lot.

    p.s. here's a free opinion: marriage has nothing to do with sex and sex has nothing to do with marriage.

By Dani on Thursday, June 18, 1998 - 09:45 pm:
    In my honest opinion, it dont matter when a guy shoots..as long as he does. If a guy shoots quickly, that means the woman has certainly done something right and made him excited enough. But, I only have 1 condition..if he shoots quickly, more power to him but he better be able to go again quickly. I dont go for the shoot in 2 minutes and be done for the rest of the night. I'm a multiple cummer and I like a man to be the same way. I dont do quickies either. If I'm gonna break a sweat and get all hot and bothered, I want it to last a long time. A couple hours at least. And as far as waiting till your married....I think thats great if your strong enough to do that. Yes it's always good to check out the merchandise before you buy but saving yourself till marriage is a very romantic thing in my book. Romance is a PLUS in any sexual relationship I have. I dont mean flowers and dinner and all that shit. I mean I like to be talked to while I'm being fucked...I like to be touched all over...I like his fingers in my hair...his hands all over my body...his lips on my ear..and my neck...I like alot of moaning and I love when he says my name over and over. I like to be kissed alot. I mean, if your into just a one night stand, then I guess just fucking someone and saying see ya later is ok but when your with someone you care about, there are certain things that we really must have to make it a really good and a worthwhile fuck. I like to wake up the next morning and say to myself...fuck yeah, I'd do him again in a heartbeat. Not...oh damn, what have I done?

By Megan on Friday, June 19, 1998 - 02:45 pm:
    sex?? In this small town,not with any of these guys,okay maybe one or two.

By Skottey on Friday, June 19, 1998 - 06:24 pm:
    Secret Responder is Skottey, there, I said it, as Howard Stern said "The Cat is out of the bag now" anyway Frau bilznich when I said I cum in 2 minutes, I was refering to the first of the series of 2 or 3, not 2min-blast-2min-blast-2min-blast.
    It is more like 2min-blast-15min-blast-45min-blast
    My Rules are as follows.....
    1. I also make sure that my partner cums multiple times.
    2. I don't like quickies
    3. There is no reason to sweat and get all hot and bothered unless you intend on going for a couple of hours at least.
    4. I never give flowers and take a woman to dinner, but by all means, talk to her while you fuck her, that is romantic.
    5. I love to touch my partner all over, run my fingers through her hair, put my hands all over her body, put my lips on her neck and ear, and ofcourse I love to moan and say her name over and over again.
    6. I like to kiss her a lot
    7. One night stands really suck, they can turn into a really shitty marriage (I know first hand)
    8. Make it a really good and a worthwhile fuck.
    9. Don't wake up in the morning and have to regret it.

By Whet on Friday, June 19, 1998 - 10:28 pm:
    Scott. Here's a man's point of view that did what you are thinking and got the results.
    I was a virgin until I was 21+. Thats when I met my wife.
    A woman had never given me an orgasm - at ALL. Thats how virgin I was. I gave, just never received.
    I've been with my wife now over 12 years. She was very experienced. Lots of guys.
    I thought things were the way they were cause they were supposed to be that way.

    As I started talking to people gradually about my experiences and got some sincere answers, I found out that what I thought I wanted to do and try and experience wasn't WEIRD at all, was something other people did on a regular basis, just my wife didn't care for it and didn't give it and acted like I was being out of line for asking.

    Here I am. 12 years later, living with my wife thats really more a roommate and 'occasionally' having missionary sex. I'm not saying we don't love each other, that the relationship is not good. Just saying if the sex part doesn't work out do you think you can live with it the rest of your life???
    I have tried everything. I read books. Talked to councelors. I work out, I've lost weight, burned and tanned, take vitamens, 2 sometimes 3 showers a day just in case she wants me, I do crazy ass shit like make my own valentines day cupid outfit out of red shiny silk material, put a rose in my teeth, come in the room with seductive music playing dressed in a robe, and do a strip tease with a can of reddy whip at my side, ribbons tied around my arms and other places. Last time I did that, afterwards I was so disappointed I ended up drinking enough to make myself sick. Been years since I got that drunk. Damn wish I had posted in the drunken ramblings LOL.
    And then its mabe a half hearted effort and back to ok you can fuck me now cause I'm in the mood missionary style, sorry if you don't cum, you can try again later if you want, its ok.. Its a standoff where no body wants to talk openly about it and no body wants to hurt the other's feelings. And believe me if your partner is doing something they don't WANT to do, you WILL know it right away. So find out what you like, what you enjoy, and see if you are sexually compatable.
    LISTEN to me man.
    I've NEVER been with another woman. I wonder like HELL what it would be like.
    I question if I made the right decision. I have nothing to compare to other than stories I hear and fantasies. Right now I'm looking at making a decision of do I spend the rest of my life never knowing, just accepting and never experiencing what might have been or could have been? Whats the worst is I LOVE sex. Do I really know what sex is anyway?
    Do I just accept the way things are? I can only change myself, not her. And in 12 years of trying it hasen't happened yet. Sex isn't marriage, but I'll be damned if I'm not young and horney enough for it not to drive me INSANE at times. (btw starting late and missing your prime is no biggie. I probably masturbate now more than I did as a teenager - plus its bigger and better - sorry for the pun but true.)
    Do what you feel is right. Don't have sex out of wedlock if you have a moral problem with it - just I'm saying that if you DO have an objection now and decide NOT to have sex before you are married, then consider that you are making a LIFETIME committment, and unless you want to have affairs or get divorced good or bad thats what its gonna be like for the rest of your life. This is a shitty thing to say, but would you buy the first car you test drive - find one you *think* you like and say ok I'll take it and pay for it the rest of my life good or bad?
    People can and do change, but NEVER count on that. One of the biggest mistakes I can think of making - saying Oh I'll work with them and change them through love and understanding and caring. They will let me in eventually. Thats BULLSHIT.
    Live and learn. I think I made a sexual mistake by NOT having sex with anyone else.
    Think about it a LONG time before you decide.
    And do NOT get anyone pregnet.
    Thats my advice.

By Skottey on Friday, June 19, 1998 - 11:34 pm:
    You know, I really hate that analogy "would you buy the first car you test drive" or "do you buy a car without test driving it" because everybody uses it. There are other ways to make the point...............
    The point is this...... You have 2 scenerios, which outcome is worse?
    #1- You fuck a few people, meet your match, fuck her, get married, and stay true to her until you either divorce or die.
    #2- You stay a virgin, get married, grow curious, cheat on your husband/wife.
    In my eyes, #1 is better, whet took number 2 and he is thinking about what? leaving his wife or cheating on her.

    I really see no in between, it is 1 or 2.
    Now Scott (by the way, my name is Scott, too, but I go by Skottey) you should listen to whets story, listen to what he is saying, it is pethetic, right, you better get it on now, as everybody else says "TEST DRIVE THAT CAR, MAN!"

    Just for the record whet, I have only been with 3 women, the first was my high school sweetheart, she was very, very good. She could do everything sexually, she was queen of sex.
    My second was my xwife (big mistake- read my horror story about her on my site at )
    She was the worst fuck imaginable, I got married because I got her pregnant.
    The third was a girl I met shortly after I seperated with my x. She was a virgin, fast learner though, she was better than the x but nothing like the first.
    Here I go, constantly comparing for the rest of my life the girls I get to the first girl I had, I am just waiting for somebody to show me that there is better sex than the first.
    The point is Whet, now that you are already in your situation, get your mind back on track, it may get better, it may not. Is it worth the chance?

By Sheila on Saturday, June 20, 1998 - 12:48 am:
    oh, my. i was going to jump right in here, but at the last minute i weaseled out. maybe next time. nobody make a weasel thread out of this, okay?

By Whet on Saturday, June 20, 1998 - 09:49 am:
    Scotty thats why I said "this is a shitty thing to say" before I even mentioned the car thing.
    And I wish you wouldn't use the word 'pathetic' cause that PISSES me off, it hurts my feelings, and I'm trying to be serious about thoughts and I want to hear people's opinions and coming in and saying my story is pathetic is not doing anybody any good ok? [just for future reference] I'm trying to figure out just HOW I feel, cause I DON"T KNOW... I'm looking for other people's opinions and experiences and advice.
    I don't like lines drawn in the sand. Saying its either 1 or 2 and nothing inbetween. Life is NOT black and white. I think drawing lines in the sand/making things an A or B choice is an oversimplification and an excuse to not deal with a problem, to walk away, and I'd rather be PATHETIC and at least try and work things out, give them a chance - than to be a 'man' or whatever and say its a or b and its just too bad, like I got her pregnet, I crossed that line now I gotta marry her. I've been working on it 12 years. I have not had an affair. I'm only thinking about the future, what do I want to do with the rest of my life. Thats a long time to think about moving a line drawn in the sand.

By Skottey on Saturday, June 20, 1998 - 11:19 am:
    First off, whet, my name is Skottey, not Scotty.
    Secondly, you are right, the word pathetic was harsh, sorry.
    Third, you really are faced with very few choices at this point ,there are four that I can see, if you or anybody else can think of any others, please let me know.......

    #1-Forget about this whole thing, stop thinking about other women, stop thinking about leaving or cheating. Move on with your life.....

    #2-Divorce her, find another woman, she may be better, she may not.... it is a gamble. At least in my scenerio, I know that after leaving my wife I would only find somebody better. I don't know your details, your wife may be a great person, do you want to give that up.

    #3-Cheat on her and live with the guilt, if she catches you, you will probably end up divorced anyway.

    #4-Go on like the way you have been, thinking the way you have been thinking, you sound miserable.

    Good Luck!

By Whet on Saturday, June 20, 1998 - 12:04 pm:
    Skottey, thanks.
    And Scotty is a good bud of mine, so easy to mix up the spelling, didn't mean to.

    I can't turn off my feelings, so #1 is out.
    #2 is a scary proposition as well. She's not a bad women. Just there are some broken things in our relationship, and its not something I can fix. A possibility it can change but there's other background elements in her situation so no guarantees that it can or ever will change.
    #3 is not like me - cause I prefer to do things up front. Anything I've ever done or thought about I've told her. She may be reading my posts, its the same computer, same browser, same history. Everything. But that only works one way.
    #4 is not the case - or I wouldn't be posting. This isn't easy and its not fun to talk about. Only because I want to do something, realizing I can only change myself and not others.

    Anyone been there - done that and now know where they went wrong/went right?

    Looking for suggestions.

By Skottey on Saturday, June 20, 1998 - 04:44 pm:
    I would never have done #3 either, I was loyal and would have stayed loyal to her in that respect. But, she did #3 to me, trust me, it hurts to find out that has been done to you. I don't know if I was married again I may do #3, that is why I don't think I will ever marry again.

By Martin on Tuesday, June 23, 1998 - 03:20 pm:

By Swine on Tuesday, June 23, 1998 - 03:44 pm:

    that was pretty damn funny.

By Skottey on Tuesday, June 23, 1998 - 05:27 pm:
    I am a very good father. Just because I speak my mind on certain issues does not make me a bad father or a bad person. I am a very good father too my son.

By Jim aka PajamaBoy on Tuesday, June 23, 1998 - 06:20 pm:
    Skottey dude, no one said you weren't a good father.

By Skottey on Tuesday, June 23, 1998 - 10:54 pm:
    OK, I am confused Jim, help me out here, what is Martin trying to say, is that sarcasm or does he really feel I am a pretty good father.

By Jim aka PajamaBoy on Tuesday, June 23, 1998 - 11:29 pm:
    Skottey: I stand corrected. I misread Martin's message earlier. I now see it was splattered with sarcasm.

By Kelsey on Wednesday, June 24, 1998 - 03:57 pm:
    hope you don't teach your son to be a misogynist pig. seems you have those tendencies.

By Whet on Wednesday, June 24, 1998 - 05:23 pm:
    Whats a misogynist pig?

    I don't think you're a bad person Skottey.
    A bad person hurts someone elses feelings and even after they find out still tells them to fuck off. You don't do that.
    Sounds like you just been hurt pretty bad and still are hurting.
    Makes the words come out harsh, a little exaggerated even twisted for effect, and sometimes pretty funny as well if you appreciate that kinda of humor which at times I do.
    Doesn't make you a bad person though.
    Opinions are just opinions.

By Dani on Wednesday, June 24, 1998 - 06:20 pm:
    Skottey is a very good person. Has been through alot of shit and has lost his son whom he had FULL custody of. Not alot of fathers take on that responsibility. Shit, alot of mother now a days dont take on that responsibilty. Skottey must be doing something right cause a judge granted him that custody. I am so looking forward to Skottey getting his son back. His son is a very lucky little boy to have a caring dad that actually WANTS to take care of him.

By Skottey on Thursday, June 25, 1998 - 08:15 am:
    As I said before Kelsey, I am not a misognynist pig, I have no hatred towards women. I am guilty at this point of being a misogamist (not the same thing), that may change, who knows, maybe I will marry again someday,hard to say.
    To Whet-
    Misogynist is hatred towards women.
    Misogamist is hatred towards marriage.
    Like I said in the other contreversal thread Kelsey, why don't you take your nice happyass out of here, we don't need your type.
    You are obviously attacking me and not my posts. The difference between you and I is that I attack ideas, an idea that I don't agree with put in the form of a thread. I like PJ and Dani but if they put something in a thread I disagree with I will tell them. You on the other hand attack people, such as Dani and I. That is obvious, you have come after me in at least 2 threads.
    Like I said in the other thread titled "Losing my friends after high school"
    you are a BITCH, a CUNT, and an IDIOT.
    GO to HELL!

By Kelsey on Thursday, June 25, 1998 - 03:01 pm:
    that's really attacking the issue.

By Martin on Thursday, June 25, 1998 - 03:04 pm:
    "The difference between you and I is that I attack ideas, an idea that I don't agree with put in the form of a thread. I like PJ and Dani but if they put something in a thread I disagree with
    I will tell them. You on the other hand attack people, such as Dani and I. That is obvious, you have come after me in at least 2 threads.
    Like I said in the other thread titled "Losing my friends after high school"
    you are a BITCH, a CUNT, and an IDIOT.
    GO to HELL!"
    Please explain what idea you are attacking here.
    The idea of Kelsey?

    And I don't know what kind of flack you've gotten for your language, but it's generally considered obnoxious (and misogynist) to use words like "slut","bitch", and "whore" as synonyms for "woman", "girl", or "female." OK? You may not be a misogynist, but you sound like one. If you're not one, you probably don't want to sound like one, right? Because it makes obnoxious assholes like me pick on your language.

    Do you really not realize that the way you express yourself affects how others respond to you?
    One can be honest without being crude or vulgar. Give it a shot.

By Dani on Thursday, June 25, 1998 - 03:44 pm:
    I think Martin ROCKS!!!!! I think it should all be forgotten. I think we have all said what needed to be said and I for one, feel much better. A good fight here and there clears the air and allows one another to kinda get to know one another. Its kinda having some really really good sex..you just kinda sit back afterwards and say ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....much better now. Gives a new, better perspective on things. Anyone care for a Newport? HA!!!!

By Skottey on Thursday, June 25, 1998 - 08:18 pm:
    No I am not attacking the idea of Kelsey. She has attacked me in a few different threads, in this instance I am responding to what she is saying to me here. I respond to ideas I don't agree with in threads such as the thread about "losing friends after high school" or my response to throwing away Playboy mags. I don't weed through these threads looking for an individual to pick on in particular . If I don't like an idea, I say so. Kelsey has followed me around posting her opinions about me, whether she likes my opinion or not. In fact, that girl that said she was afraid of losing her friends may have posted about how much she likes a movie, if I liked the movie too I will say so. I don't put the movie down just because I don't seem to like an individual who posted about it. I don't hate that girl who posted about losing her friends, I hate the idea of what she is concerned with. Some of these people wouldn't normally respond hatefully to a thread of mine but they do because they don't like me.
    So let me get this straight, it is not OK to refer to any woman as a bitch, slut or whore?
    But it is OK to call certain men asshole, cocksucker, bastard, son of a bitch?
    There are shitty people of either gender and all races, that is why we have names for these people. Don't give me shit about calling people these names. I never call women in general bitches or whores or sluts. I don't walk into a room full of women and say, look at all these whores or look at all these sluts. I say, look at all these women or look at all these people. I don't agree with labeling a group. I would never drive through a black part of town and say, look at all the niggers, but there was one time where I witnesses a shooting across from my apartment where a black man shot another person. At that point I refered to him as, "Oh my God, that Nigger just shot that lady" Maybe Nigger was not the word but the guy deserved a name besides gentleman. He was no gentleman. It is OK to refer to people using names, and if you think it makes me look bad using these names, that is your opinion.
    Next time I will refer to somebody like Kelsey as ..................

    that woman who was not very nice to me

    that lady

    that lady that responded to my post

    that woman

    .........no, I think I would rather label her.

By Ridin on Thursday, June 25, 1998 - 08:44 pm:
    and as the saying goes.........opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.

By Blindswine on Friday, June 26, 1998 - 12:22 pm:
    funny how the more fucked-up the asshole, the more fucked-up the opinions.

    this is all getting tiresome.

    skottey, you're shitting all over the boards.

    plug that asshole up.

By Blindswine on Friday, June 26, 1998 - 12:22 pm:
    funny how the more fucked-up the asshole, the more fucked-up the opinions.

    this is all getting tiresome.

    skottey, you're shitting all over the boards.

    plug that asshole up.

By Kelsey on Friday, June 26, 1998 - 04:03 pm:
    martin and swine rawk. thanks.

By Sarah on Friday, June 26, 1998 - 08:19 pm:
    we love you kelsey. rock on, girl.

By Skottey on Friday, June 26, 1998 - 09:54 pm:
    what the fuck are you talking about Blindswine?
    why don't you read my opinion and think before you respond?
    If you are so sure that I am wrong, why don't you give an example or plug your asshole?
    I still have not gotten an answer to the question.....

    Is it OK to call a man an asshole but calling a woman a bitch, a slut,or a whore is not exceptable?

    From the feedback I am getting that seems to be the case, I have been given shit for calling certain women these names but the same people who are giving me shit call me an asshole and have the nerve to say I am a woman hater.

By Kelsey on Saturday, June 27, 1998 - 06:58 pm:
    it's hopeless. it really is. anyone got a mirror to hold up to skottey? or, maybe he should just reread some of his own posts. or, maybe none of that would help at all.

By Skottey on Saturday, June 27, 1998 - 08:37 pm:
    why don't you fucking just answer these questions.........

    Is it OK to call a woman bitch, slut, or whore?

    Is it OK to call a man asshole?

By Martin on Sunday, June 28, 1998 - 10:40 am:
    Apparantly, the answers to your questions are too complicated for you. And the free advice booth is closed. Good luck with life.

By Skottey on Sunday, June 28, 1998 - 05:46 pm:
    Why don't you just answer the God Damn Question you asshole?

    You people complain because I have called certain woman names but you seem to think it is OK to call me an asshole.

    Why is one OK but the other is NOT?

By Martin on Sunday, June 28, 1998 - 09:18 pm:
    I haven't complained, I don't speak for anyone else, and I've already answered the question. If you couldn't understand the answer, that's your problem. Redirect your anger.
    And if you want an argument, start a new one.

By Skottey on Sunday, June 28, 1998 - 11:21 pm:
    I have redirected my anger, I redirected it at a fucking moron named Martin that can't just answer a fucking outright question. Martin would rather "act intelligent" and be an asshole about the issue. I don't want a fucking arguement, I just want you to answer the question. OK, you have done it before in your own special way, now why don't you do it the old fashion way. Ask Question, get answer.......

    Is it OK to call a woman a bitch, slut, or whore?

    Is it OK to call a man an asshole?

By Jim aka PajamaBoy on Sunday, June 28, 1998 - 11:29 pm:
    Skottey, sometimes silence speaks volumes. Which could be why no one is answering you.

By Martin on Sunday, June 28, 1998 - 11:57 pm:
    Those aren't "yes/no" questions. Sorry.
    It's not my fault that not all issues are simple.

    (I apologize if that's acting offensively intelligent. No offense intended. Relax, willya?)

    If you don't want an argument, drop it or stop cursing.

By Ridin on Monday, June 29, 1998 - 09:41 am:
    k, I have another saying:

    Better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

    And with that, I'm keepin my mouth shut.

By Kelsey on Monday, June 29, 1998 - 04:30 pm:
    say it, sistah. mmmhmmm.

By PetRock on Monday, June 29, 1998 - 08:55 pm:
    hey Ridin --


By Whet on Tuesday, June 30, 1998 - 08:55 pm:
    Are you still out there?
    Hope everything is ok. Best of luck for you :)

By Skottey on Wednesday, July 1, 1998 - 02:15 am:
    Scott finally lost his virginity, and no he didn't get married.

    He said it felt so good the first time he has not been able to stop since, he has been going for 45 days and has shot 337 loads.

    Go Scott

By Ridin on Wednesday, July 1, 1998 - 09:26 am:
    Anyone know if Scott is a Marine?

By Whet on Friday, July 3, 1998 - 10:15 am:
    What *is* it with you and marines Ridin??
    I'm gonna give you my brother's phone number :P

    Well back to the thread and the idea of NOT having had sex yet...
    like ya said 'it felt so good the first time he has not been able to stop since'
    That was like the first time I learned to masturbate.

    My bro (yea the marine Ridin, well ex marine now but was one) had a book my parents gave him about sex (cause he is older than I by 3+ years) and one day home alone I found this book and was totally AMAZED at what I read.
    (umm just say I was quite sheltered as a child)
    The part about masterbating fascinated me.
    I thought hey I can do this - it says in the book it feels REALLY great and thats why people do it. So I read about it, whipped it out and started rubbing away.
    Nothing happened. Yea it felt good but I was waiting for the strange part at the end where stuff came out, like you were pissing but different and was supposed to feel *really* good.

    So after about 15 minutes or so (could have been an hour or 5 minutes cause back then as a child n all time wasn't quite the same) I figured oh well I'm just too young. The book says at a 'certain' age most people try it so figured I was under that 'certain age'.

    A little while later though, I got to thinking about just what took place during sex.
    I mean a man's pee pee had to go INSIDE the woman right?
    So I took a bunch of pillows, stacked them up, and made myself this woman sorta thing, and stuck it in and was going to town.

    It still felt good, just I didn't know what a self induced orgasm was yet (mabe had woke up in the middle of the night wet but figured I just peed I guess or something and I can't BELIVE I'm writing this but what the hell eh?)

    SO there I was, humpin and pumping away, feeling good, looking at the pictures in the book thinking DAMN I want one of these woman things to try out first hand!

    All of a sudden.....
    I felt like someone had grabbed my spinal cord and gave it a YANK.
    My entire body was POSSESSED by something, by someone, by feelings and emotions, that were good but frightening as HELL.

    I got scared, but it was too late.
    I had crossed that edge, that point of no return, and for the very first time had discovered that it actually DID work.
    It felt like it lasted for HOURS and HOURS over and over wave after wave of explosions, fireworks in the sky, the earth was moving, it was sooo incredible it was...
    [ok you got me there, I was embellishing a tad, but I KNOW you out there felt it too the first time]

    IMMEDIATELY afterwards I had this total dread and need for forgiveness or SOMETHING cause I just knew I was going straight to jail and hell or whatever for what I had just done. I mean it had to be like that. What I felt was not normal, it had to have been possessed or something. It just couldn't be true. The book would have SAID something and somehow what I did was different it seemed.

    So I hurridly got dressed, I was in a panic, and there was all this STUFF in the pillows and on the sheets and what if my MOM found out what I did????
    I ran to the washer with the 'soiled' sheets throwing them in, remembering the book ran to get it and put it back in my brothers hiding place so no one would ever ever know what I had done. When I got everything clean and back together and in order, it was SUCH a relief. I felt like I had committed the ultimate crime and just gotten away with it all.

    Then I smiled.
    I mean *really* smiled.

    I snuck back and got the book.
    Read the section again.

    Well I mean they certainly would have put a warning or something if it really was that bad, and they didn't have any prayers of repention at the end of the chapter or anything, or advice on how to correct for the situation.

    And it FELT soooooo good.

    You know what?

    I did it again.

    Haven't been able to stop since.

By Jim aka PajamaBoy on Friday, July 3, 1998 - 11:08 am:
    Ah the perfect thread for a Holiday Friday morning. *grin*

By Sheila on Friday, July 3, 1998 - 11:50 am:
    it's a toss up. i can't decide among this one, the Sex avec Food Items thread, and the Sex in Non-bed Places thread. i will be considering all of those as i go out to mow some more greenery. the tempo of the mower's engine usually results in a song i cannot abjure, or a list of Things To Tell Blindswine, but today i shall make a serious effort to focus on sex-related thoughts. not too difficult as i roll over the zillions of gopher-sex hot spots beneath my land. it is a vast shell, suspended over a plenum teeming with rodent activity.

By Dani on Friday, July 3, 1998 - 11:53 am:
    Nice posting to wake up to!! Feel free to post those oh so detailed postings ANYTIME whet!!!! I think I hear Mr. Shower Massage calling Twiffer....have a great day all!!!!

By Whet on Saturday, July 4, 1998 - 01:06 am:
    Hit a small stump to throw the blades out of ballence just a *little*, asjust the throttle to wide open, close your eyes, gently LEANING onto the mower handle - and let modern technology have its way with you.
    When you get back inside people will think DAMN she has been working hard out there today.

    Hmmmmm Dani.... Dani....
    I have so many detailed thoughts to share ;)

    Crank up Mr. Shower Massage to 'who needs a man'.
    P.S. If I whistle just right will Twiffer come?

By Ridinlawnmowersandshowermassagesbareback on Saturday, July 4, 1998 - 03:04 am:
    no, but i will.

    god, you're gud.

By Skottey on Saturday, July 4, 1998 - 08:48 am:
    gosh whet, that is some story.

    I remember the first time I masturbated. I was 12 and home from school sick. I had been reading (looking at the pictures) my dads magazines since I was 9 or 10. I remember laying in bed with a hell of a fever looking at the pictures. I remember getting as hard as a 12 year old can get. I remember reaching down and grabbing ahold of my boyhood. It never felt that big before. I held it and kind of squeezed it, I didn't stroke it, I didn't have too at that point.

    Just holding it and staring at some pictures eventually I came.

    The whole fear/hell/crime part was there for me too, additionally, my legs felt extremly weak and light for the rest of the day, strange huh.

    I too have been maturbating ever since, usually everyday.

By Whet on Sunday, July 5, 1998 - 05:09 pm:
    Well before you actually have sex, masterbating pretty much IS sex to ya.
    Wait a minute. It seems like its still that way :P

    Heeeeeere Ridin...

By PetRock on Monday, July 6, 1998 - 07:14 am:
    Last time I had sex?

    Thursday night. And then Friday morning. Got maybe 2 hours of sleep.


By Dani on Monday, July 6, 1998 - 08:57 am:
    Oh damn PetRock, I thought our little sexual escipade was supposed to remain our little secret? Sorry I wore you out babe but it was sure good for me!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Jim aka PajamaBoy on Monday, July 6, 1998 - 09:41 am:

    Got the ol' poker in action again, eh?

    ; - )

By PetRock on Tuesday, July 7, 1998 - 06:51 am:
    ummmm....sorry jimbo, i don't kiss n tell

    or is that fuck n tell? screw n tell? sex n play? see n play? see n go? do n say? fukkit.....

By Jim aka PajamaBoy on Tuesday, July 7, 1998 - 09:14 am:

By Martin on Tuesday, July 7, 1998 - 10:45 am:
    Kid 'n' Play?

By Jim aka PajamaBoy on Tuesday, July 7, 1998 - 11:58 am:
    Hey Pete, did this guy like have a string with a ring on the end that you pulled out of him? Is that why you're trying to think of Speek and Spell? I used to LOVE that toy when I was a kid. Point the arrow to the animal you wanted, pull the cord, and "The cow goes MOOOOOOooOOOOooooOOoooo>"


By PetRock on Tuesday, July 7, 1998 - 12:41 pm:
    hmmm....don't remember any strings or strings w/ rings attached either. but he did go mooooooo....heh heh

    no, he didn't really....i'm just saying that. actually he went meeeeeeooowwww and then puuuurrrrrr.

By Jim aka PajamaBoy on Tuesday, July 7, 1998 - 01:07 pm:
    Hey Pete, did this guy like have a string with a ring on the end that you pulled out of him? Is that why you're trying to think of Speek and Spell? I used to LOVE that toy when I was a kid. Point the arrow to the animal you wanted, pull the cord, and "The cow goes MOOOOOOooOOOOooooOOoooo>"


By Jim aka PajamaBoy on Tuesday, July 7, 1998 - 01:14 pm:
    Ok... how did THAT happen??? A delayed posting. What the heck does that mean?

    Um.. Pete.. is it true that a cat has nine LIVES???

    : )

By PetRock on Tuesday, July 7, 1998 - 06:08 pm:

    It's time to take your medicine James. And then you can go to happy-land and not be bothered by this nasty old world anymore. You'd like that, wouldn't you?

    *snort* Delayed posting my ass....yeah right, Jimbo....you're just getting senile in your old age. hehehe

By Tim on Thursday, August 13, 1998 - 04:02 pm:
    uh i think it is good to wait. testing the product is not a good idea. besides what are you going to do if you love someone and you aren't sexually compatible, drop them. I don't think so. A marriage is not based on sex. Sex is just one of the benifits. I would like to see a good marriage that is based solely on sex. It could never happen. Some people have gotten the misconception that sex is the bases of life. I am like you and have never had sex and i am fine with it. I am going to wait on marriage. So good luck to you in the future.

By Chordata on Thursday, August 13, 1998 - 06:48 pm:
    and it's very clear that you are writing from the perspective of someone who has never had sex. it's amazing that you can claim so much about the importance of sex without having experienced it.

By Nate on Friday, August 14, 1998 - 02:15 pm:
    sex is like the mechanical bull at the the hick bar downtown.

By Kelsey on Friday, August 14, 1998 - 05:32 pm:
    sex- well, it's kinda like sex. but, a little different.

By Mark.E.deSAD on Thursday, August 20, 1998 - 06:44 pm:

    Um I would really like to have a lot more sex.
    This would be pretty easy as I haven't been rutting for many years now.
    I do masturbate but that doesn't count.
    Nor does sex.
    I mean like not all the naked prod stuff counts.
    Like it only counts when you love it and go crazy for it and then get it whisked away and the inflamed desire left over makes you go serious cold turkey and the rest of your life is ruined in the hope that the next time you get it you'll succeed in fucking till judgement day but you just get older and nothing happens and the obsession festers as you look at those scantily clad kittens in the summer heat wondering which will have the charity to start the process over but they don't because they know that you've been dealt and they need new meat to tenderise.
    Nevertheless the hope remains that somehow I will defy my destiny and become a sex guru taking swarms of nymphettes through to a new level of sensual awareness.

By Nate on Thursday, August 20, 1998 - 09:33 pm:

    what a load of bullshit.

    sex is a physical act.

    all that love crap you seek is known as "makin' luv".

    that's different.

    but sex is a naughty blonde in a bar, drunk as hell and sore of jaw.

By Liam on Friday, August 21, 1998 - 12:52 pm:

    Careful what you say here. You never know who may subpoena you on this.

By Steverino on Wednesday, September 30, 1998 - 04:52 pm:


    This sex thing is a tricky business. On the one hand, I don't believe in the "try before you buy" philosphy. It seems crass to me. on the other hand, sex is really one of life's sweet treasures. It's also damn powerful--which is why so many taboos have grown up around it. (I love a warm fire in the fireplace, but wildfires are not my idea of a good time.) I was a latecomer to sex with a woman, too. By the time I met the woman I eventually married, I couldn't wait any more. I think she felt the same way. Needless to say we had a very "active" courtship. We're not exactly a perfect match sexually--but so what? We've got the rest of our lives to work on it. Marriage is more than sex and romance, it's also commitment: slogging through the shitty stuff for the sake of your beloved. Marriage is also kids, education, mortgages, and homemaking and all that. If you and your partner aren't together on that, all the great sex in the world isn't going to fix it. Bottom line: wait if you like, but sometimes life isn't so neat. Sometimes you need to be a little adventurous(just don't lose your head--either of them!)


    My heart goes out to you brother. You gave Scott some damn good advice. I suppose you've tried talking to your wife about your sexual frustrations? All I can say is keep trying, communicate to her how you feel. Like you, I've only been with one woman. Sometimes I wonder, too. But, I think there are a lot of men in our shoes: kind of frustrated, thinking everyone else out there is having great sex. As men, it's hard not to be preoccupied by sex, that's how we're built. But I think a lot of guys are frustrated because for a lot of women, sex is okay, but no big deal. they'd rather have the romance and affection. FOr us men, it IS a big deal. We live for it, it's the total expression of our manhood given as a gift to the woman we love. I'm not sure women really understand that. Anyway, keep trying, brother. It'll be give and take, but if there really is love between the two of you, and you are honest with each other, and you both are open to the other, then things will get better. I dunno, Whet, maybe i'm just babbling, but i'm rootin for you.

    P.S. thanks for the j-o story, it was a treat! Despite the trials and tribulations, it sure is great to be a man!

By Hammy on Monday, January 4, 1999 - 11:44 pm:

    Oh the hell with it just start fucking, its fun.......

By Hammy on Monday, January 4, 1999 - 11:53 pm:

    Im married to a woman 15 years younger than I, had to to find someone that could keep up with me. Been haveing sex from the age of 12, and let me tell you, there is not a thing like it in the world, man it great. If you waited this long then you have realy missed out. What a dope. Go out and fuck your brains out, do it, enjoy it, have fun. It is what we are ment to do. DUMB ASS. Just do it............

By Miss Ed.... on Sunday, February 28, 1999 - 01:31 pm:

    Hey guys....I just came across your posts and I have a question. You may think this is crazy cause I'm only 16 here....but i'll ask it anyway. I am still a virgin and I am totally sex-curious....but for some reason I feel like its this horrible thing that you're never supposed to do! Don't ask why but it could be all this stuff they preach to us at school to keep us away from it. I know my boy-friend is un-experienced too but most of his friends have had sex several times and I think he feels that its normal for a relationship...that totally bothers me cause I still feel like sex is ICKY! I really try to convince myself that it's a sign of love...a special bond or what not..and its not that I am an immature person its just weird...I can't explain it...What should I do?

By Semillama on Sunday, February 28, 1999 - 04:02 pm:

    Sounds like you ain't ready yet, nothing wrong with that. Besides, there probably isn't anything he can do that your hand can't do better.

    Still, It always sucks to have all of the guilt and none of the sex.

    Sex is part of a normal relationship, but only if both partners are ready.

    If you start experimenting with stuff, don't be suprised if you start getting a lot of pressure from your beau to go all the way. The best thing to do is to talk openly about what you want and what you're willing to do, and stand firm, because He'll start thinking with the second head. I speak from experience, I did the same damn thing when I was sixteen and the second head was shouting out loud!

By Lucy Phurre on Saturday, April 17, 1999 - 07:00 pm:

    Um, Hi. I'm back. Just managed to reestablish net access.
    Miss Ed, I will tell you what my father told me (in the most enlightened and helpful sex talk of anyone I know):
    Sex is not inherently bad, dirty, evil, anything like that. However, it is a very powerful experience and it can be incredibly beautiful or incredibly hurtful. I waited until I was ready (I was 17 , but it's different for everyone) and deeply in love in the way that never happens again after you get old and cynical. It was the most beautiful experience of my life. I saw visions. Yes, it hurt, not much, but some. The pleasure outweighed the pain and it felt very right.
    IMPORTANT: If I had rushed into it, it would have been miserable and traumatic. Nobody but you can tell you when you're ready. When you think you're ready, wait a week, and if you still feel you're ready, go ahead. But don't let anybody else tell you you're immature (Being in touch with your feelings and needs shows a wisdom beyond your years) or dirty (Sex is not dirty. Sex is sacred. Sex is a powerful experience, but that doesn't make it a sin.)
    Don't reject the sexual part of your being.
    Do treat it with the respect it deserves, by waiting until it's right.
    Good sex is worth waiting for.

    On another note, my own problematic sexual experience:
    I have always been very sexual. I went through a period where I slept with a lot of people and it has ceased to mean anything to me. It's like any other bodily function to me now. I mourn the loss of the pro
    I read this William Gibson story (" Winter Market", or "The Winter Market" It's in the *Burning Chrome* anthology), and there's this woman who has massive nerve damage and she's in this carbon-fiber exoskeleton because she's totally paralyzed. She tries to get the protagonist to have sex with her. She can't feel it, but she says she likes to watch.
    I read that and I cried.
    I feel like I have developed this psychotic detachment from what I have always considered to be an important part of my being.
    I guess you get used too many times and you learn to insulate yourself.
    I value the freedom of that era, and I sware that I would never regret it, even though I knew there would come a time when I would not want to do that anymore.
    I was never a "slut", I was just enjoying myself. I always valued myself, I just chose to share pleasure with a lot of partners. I went into it with a totally healthy attitude. And I still got used. And even if I come six times these days, it's just an orgasm. It's just a bodily function. It doesn't mean anything.
    It's like I'm suffering from some sort of psychic frigidity.
    Maybe none of this makes sense. I'm not sure what my point is.
    Any ideas?


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