not so fucking rude. I wish you were...: not so fucking rude.

By wisper on Monday, August 23, 2004 - 05:21 pm:

    I think it's time to break up the quiet around here with a good old fashioned long story post.

    I went to visit my parents at their boat this weekend. There was a pot-luck picnic sort of thing at the marina....

    as a side note, i'll tell you that almost ALL boaters who are not sail or houseboaters are either-
    a)very old
    b)wanna-be sporty
    c)shameless "weekend warrior" alcoholics
    d)too rich for their own damn good
    e)all of the above.

    .....which i was not hyped for but my father made me go with him. We both whined at mom: "But they're all old and/or drunk!". Dad's old too, i guess, but he doesn't drink and neither do i.
    I get all my anti-social genes from him, so we usually end up together at these things, equally annoyed.

    So after everyone eats I'm sitting around, planning my escape and mom tells me to get the design portfolio i brought up to show her (the one i spoke of here.) and show it to her friends. One of them used to be a graphic designer.
    I don't want to do this. It's good stuff but I'm not a graphic designer, i'm an illustrator and i don't want to offend any real designers.
    Mom calls it "networking". So i cave, perhaps someone here has some contacts i could use one day?

    I get the book and sit with the people. They say it's very good and very nice and all that. Then this one REALLY old guy, who's been friends of my parents since i was 12 or so, who hasn't seen me on any regular basis for maybe 5 years, says:

    "Hey jen, you should have talked to my son Robby before you did all this. He would have told you to not go into that industry!"

    I just stare.

    Woman who used to be graphic designer but now runs a daycare:

    "Yeah, no kidding! I used to be in that industry too!" hahahahah they all laugh.


    Book is put in my lap. I storm off. Rage.

    Why was i incapable of telling off my parent's friends? How the hell does anyone become so fucking rude?

    Does anyone think i went into the arts for the money?

    Why must i justify myself to people who will be dead in 10 years?

    How was that information even supposed to help me, so many years after graduation?



By Mr. Hilter on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 01:36 am:

    he's right, you know

By Antigone on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 02:13 am:

    "Why must i justify myself to people who will be dead in 10 years?"

    Because in 20 years, you could be one of them.


    It's called experience. You should have asked them why they said that, then stopped being so defensive and listened to their replies.

By Antigone on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 02:14 am:

    You know, I didn't even have to google to know that Hilter/python reference. That's pretty sad. :)

By Charles Dickens on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 02:18 am:

    Uhmm, I wished that Iqbal Khan or Jeff Szyzinski at RTC Industries never been so FUCKING rude to me! WWW.RTCIND.COM. Tee Hee

By Antigone on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 03:14 am:

    Here's a nice conundrum:

    3 -
    1 - 2 8 4
    7 - 6 6 6

    4 -
    1 - 3 24 174 660 1884 2352 672
    7 - 6 42 210 900 2094 2448 756

    5 -
    1 - 48 672 8592 88680 814128 6429360 41689152 216473712 862513344 2494659360 4810133952 5406928128 2780051904 362618304
    7 - 78 1026 11784 122076 1087344 8212776 51432576 257909640 993567024 2776597296 5181530256 5657254608 2843113344 367657776
    31 - 120 1200 12840 131640 1170480 8676600 53824320 269240520 1035734160 2885364240 5354040960 5793610320 2880050400 369695040

    The sequences for 6 (1 7 and 31) would each require 65372 processor years to compute. I'd like to find an equation. Help?

By wisper on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 05:56 am:

    I should say that i in fact didn't storm off really, or get defensive in their faces. I sat polite. This thread is the first i've mentioned it to anyone.

    They had the same reasons that everyone else has. There are no art jobs anymore, so they say.

    And, i simply do not care if there's no jobs right now. I followed where my skills and interests took me. Many people think this is a waste of time.

    I just don't understand what that means. Should i go learn plumbing? Plumbers get tons of money. And i would be miserable, but hey, it's a great industry.

    Is it just money? I can understand doing something like that if you have no natural talents and don't know what you want to do for a living. Then sure, be a plumber. Or a mortician. It doesn't matter what if you don't have any idea. Go get rich of a "good industry".

    But if you WANT to do something, why give up everything for money? And why laugh at someone trying what you failed at?

    it's sad.

By Gee on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 10:51 am:

    why can't you do both?

    why can't you have a career for money and a career for interest?

    I do, however, agree that saying things like "Oh don't do THAT with your life!" is quite rude. There are more tactful ways to give advice.

By Nate on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 10:51 am:

    shit, i thought about being a plumber, too. i figured it would give me good money, union protection and plenty of time to think.

    are you happy, wisper?

    why be concerned with what people who gave up their souls in pursuit of money say?

    tiggy: the nsa is going to give you the schitzo drug if you don't be careful, son.

By Antigone on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 12:51 pm:

    I've developed an antidote to it, Nate: large amounts of semi-sweet blueberry pie.

By TBone on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 01:21 pm:

    Wisper: They know nothing.

    I'll forward your conundrum on to someone who digs these sorts of things.

    Here's one he offered while back:



By patrick on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 07:50 pm:

    by the way

By patrick on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 07:51 pm:

By patrick on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 07:57 pm:

    fuck. what happened to my original post?

    wisper. there is still work in the arts. look around you. moreover, who cares what a handful of people, who most likely do their part to muck of that talent pool have to say.

By Rowlfe on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 01:25 am:

    patrick, are you familiar with a magazine out of LA called Beautiful/Decay?

By dave. on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 03:54 am:

    patrick . . . you've got some 'splaining to do.

By semillama on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 10:57 am:


    by the way, I must say I absolutely LOVED the fact in your gallery, that the photo of Rob Halford's bald ass screaming into a mike fades into a photo of your daughter. Great selection of photos there, it really shows that you are talented not just in portraiture, but also in more abstract works. I really liked the color photo of the glass building against the blue sky, it was well composed. I also liked the the four girls with the whipped cream and the cherries. that was also, um, well composed.

By patrick on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 08:22 pm:

    what dave?

    rowlfie...i dont think so.

    and honestly sem, the designer laid out the order of the photos. he inserted a few smarty pants things like that....on the intro, if you notice at some brief moment my name comes up as 'p ri k mo r on' which i thought was pretty fuckin funny.

    the architecture shot is of the Getty Museum. The surface you see there is actually all white, a section that looks a lot like the High in Atlanta. In fact, same architect, Richard Meier.

    and thanks for the nice words of course.

    i still have some tweaking to do and lets hope i can get some fuckin work from it, its long overdue.

By wisper on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 08:39 pm:

    yay for patty's super website!

By RTC surely sucks on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 02:36 am:

    Hey Jeff at WWW.RTCIND.COM I wish you were...:not so fucking rude.
    I tried to tell you that the machine didn't work so well and your people does not have a clue on how to TROUBLESHOOT the problem on the machine I was working on.And to say if your company believe communication is important for the company? Why not? When it was my last day at RTC Industries, I see Iqbal Khan so pissed off, he let it out of his mouth to someone mentioned about me,I surely liked to see him say that to me again.And yes ,Jeff you were pissed off too, No one talked to me about the problem. This surely enough makng me looks so bad, also making me one the most.
    Hmm, Joe Desidero too also was there... No one talked to me .....uhmm, I believed someone at RTC Industries flushed me out......Jeff, is that what you mean with the phase," You will be sorry if you don't finish the job", Jeff, I tried to tell you that. That there is something is wrong with that damn machine. I was proud of what i can do to accomplish with the job,every job done is part of your work signature.
    GRRRRRRRRRRRRR.......... I have had enough of episode already.........Maybe soon... It is my turn to say it to you Jeff. You will be sorry.....

By agatha on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 12:23 pm:

    I think what dave was trying to say is


    Nice website.

By patrick on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 02:59 pm:

    like the dying magnolia tree i forgot to water in my front yard, the tomatoes, the peppers and basil i let go in the back yard, the fish i've neglected nd the cats i've driven to madness, I just lost some capacity to love recently.

    i saved what i had for the two most important people in my life. you know who they are.

    but Im getting better. I feed the fish again. I find time to try and water the plants and I will check in more here.

    i just felt polluted and didnt have much to say that wasnt foul and gaseous, thus i stepped off, which was probably a first since ive been coming to this joint.

By Antigone on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 04:43 pm:

    What about the cats?


By patrick on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 05:09 pm:

    my relation with the god damn cats is still strained. they've become brats and they are walking my last nerve. they still eat though.

By kazu on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 05:17 pm:

By kazu on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 05:17 pm:

By kazu on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 05:17 pm:


By Gee on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 05:28 pm:

    that was worth posting twice.

    there is an animal clinic near where I work, and if you walk by it they've got a big window that gives passbyers a loverly view of all the cats boarding there. For a long time I was in love with Shaggy, who was big and orange and fluffy, and liked to stare at my boobs for some reason.

    now that Shaggy is gone, I have been admiring Nathan Detroit, who is fat and has cool black and white hair.

    at home, my bunny just sits there. sometimes she flips her food dish over and kicks her poo around.

    I miss kitties.

By Lapis on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 05:47 pm:

    Grey kitties hold a special place in my heart, though Sylvie takes the lion's share. She's been tryig to play my nurse, but mostly just sits on me whilst I laze.

By agatha on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 12:08 am:


    Good name.

    I'm glad you're back, Patrick.

By wisper on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 01:55 am:

    I'm glad you're pack, Batrick.

By kazu on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 11:55 am:

    "Good name."

    I knew you'd think so.

By Lalalalala on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 11:57 am:

    By wisper on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 01:55 am:
    I'm glad you're pack, Batrick.

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