five hours Insomnia: five hours

By Platypus on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 10:21 am:

    So, I haven't really been sleeping much lately. I actually didn't sleep for several days, and last night I got about five hours, which was lovely.

    But then, diasaster struck.

    My nose started inexplicably bleeding...everywhere. I wasn't aware of it at first, and then I woke awash in a sea of blood. Everywhere I looked, there was blood. I may have entirely ruined a set of sheets. They're soaking right now. So, anyway, I'm trying to figure out what the link between insomnia and nose bleeds is.

    Fuck. I really liked those sheets, too.

By kazoointoit on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 10:50 am:

    "The doctor said I wouldn't have so many
    nosebleeds if I just kept my finger out of
    there." --RW

    hmmm....ever think of that?

    seriously, the only link between insomnia and
    nosebleeds that I know of involves heavy drug

By Platypus on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 12:27 pm:

    Hm. Maybe someone is slipping me cocaine in my sleep. Certainly I'm not wandering about sticking my fingers up my nose.

    Curioser and curioser, said Alice.

By Nate on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 02:25 pm:

    me and my fireplace bellows, platy. i'be been coking you up.

By pez on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 02:28 pm:

    are you dehydrated?

    if you've been having nosebleeds, drink more water and maybe stick a little vaseline up there.

By bell_jar on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 03:39 pm:

    i've never had a nosebleed. is that normal?

By kazoo wiggum on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 03:45 pm:

    That's smart Pez, and being dehydrated may
    have something to do with the insomnia.

    Are you having headaches as well?

By pez on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 08:11 pm:

    never having a nosebleed: cool and lucky.

    most minor health problems can be solved by drinking more water. eat some fresh fruit, drink a glass of water, don't headbang so much.

    it would be neat to study homeopathy, midwivery and cultural healing.

    visualization exercises for pain. peppermint and chamomile tea for cramps. "medicinal" teas should steep for four to six hours and drunk a tablespoonful or two at a time.

By kazoointoit on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 08:33 pm:

    Valarian root for insomnia, though I don't think
    it worked that well for me. Friends have told
    me that if you take enough you get a little
    euphoric rush just as you are falling asleep. I
    never did. I had some tea that worked really
    well, but it also made me feel heavy and
    lethargic...not just sleepy. You're not
    supposed to take it if you have any kind of
    depressive disorder, that may be why. I had to
    take perscription ambien once. I was
    desperate, I had a terrible bout right before my
    MA exams and I couldn't afford not to get at
    least 7 hours. That stuff is good, but I don't
    recommend unless you are at your wits end.

    "...midwivery and cultural healing"

    I've got a good book on the topic, from a
    literary historical perspective. My professor
    from OSU interviewed some of the last of the
    living African American granny
    midwives...women who delivered many, many
    babies back in the day, white and black, poor
    women went to them. There is also a whole
    bit on conjure women and how they are
    portrayed in contemporary novels. She also
    made quite a bit of reference to the kinds of
    herbal medicines these women used.

By Platypus on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 08:58 pm:

    I drink something like four litres of water a day. And eat lots of fruit. I've tried a number of things for the insomnia. I think it will go away naturally with time, or I'll have more binge sleeps like I did last night, where I get so tired I have to sleep.

    I just finished reading "Midwives," by Chris Bohjalian. It's pretty interesting, if you're into that sort of thing. The book does raise some interesting statistics about home vrs hospital births. I know a fair amount of people who have chosen to go the home way. It seems neat. Not neat enough to have children or anything.

    When I called my nurse practicioner she said I should do the pinch the bridge of my nose and tilt my head forward thing--if it doesn't stop after 15 minutes, I should go to the hospital and have it cauterized. I'm hoping not to have a repeat incident. The back of my throat still feels funny from all the blood.

By kazoointoit on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 09:07 pm:

    Another good thing for insomnia is too lie as
    still as possible, trying to relax...apparently that
    can provide your body with a certain amount of

    Good luck with the nose Platy, that can't be
    fun...worrying about a relapse...ick

By Platypus on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 10:47 pm:

    That's what I do every night, Kazoo...usually I end up feeling more awake.

    C.S. Lewis has pretty good advice:

    "She knew that one of the best ways to get to sleep was to stop trying, so she opened her eyes."

    That's how I ended up asleep last night. I was reading a book and I just...slept. Maybe I'll try clonking myself on the head or something.

By agatha on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 12:27 am:

    that was a good book. (midwives)

    i always fall asleep eventually if i'm reading in bed.

By dave. on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 01:03 am:

    shit, drink some nyquil. i challenge you to stay awake after downing a couple jiggers of nyquil. go ahead -- i dare you.

    as for the nosebleeding. get your blood pressure checked.

By pez on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 02:55 am:

    i've been reading our bodies, ourselves lately. bit of a cliche these days to read it, but i think it's something i should've done years ago.

    osu? i'll assume ohio or oklahoma, but there's one out here in oregon. do tell, please.

By Cat on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 04:01 am:

    That's a bit of a concern, Platy. I'd go to a proper doctor. And get some iron into you, you mealy bloody vegie.

By kazoointoit on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 07:24 am:

    mmmmm....nyyyquiiilllll (good stuff)


    watch your head, I don wan you gittin all brane
    damaged, I jus metchya. yeah, I complained to
    my therapist that lying still didn't help me
    sleep, but I did feel a little better than when I
    just paced around the house looking for
    things to amuse me. Are you an active
    insomniac or do you stay in bed? I don't watch
    TV, but the internet kills me. I've also got a
    terrific collection of coloring books and pencils
    that keeps me busy too. I could never use the
    time for school work though because I can't

    Do you get enough exercise? That helps.


    OSU = Ohio State University

By Nate on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 10:18 am:

    is that in ohio?

By Platypus on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 10:19 am:

    Tried nyquil, Dave. And I eat lots of leafy green vegetables or take iron supplements. And I have "adorable" blood pressure. I think it's just stress.

    I'm going to go and get a nice long massage today and see if that helps.

    The sheets, by some miracle of God, came out clean. I think it's because I soaked them right after the nose incident, so the blood didn't have time to adhere.

    I got four hours last night. It would have been more, but apparently it was imperative for the Oakland PD to drive by my house several times with the sirens on.

By Nate on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 10:44 am:

    yea, blood is pretty easy to get out of cloth if you get at it right away.

    they say that in oakland it is better to hear sirens all night long than to be murdered.

By Daniel ssss on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 11:42 am:

    Use hydrogen peroxide to get blood out; it's a protein. Nose bleeds and high blood pressure are not correlated in any way. Nyquil is full of alcohol, hence the drowsiness. Valerian root does induce relaxation but if in a tincture (liquid), probably is in an alcohol base, too. Ambien is so new we don't know if it is addictive. If there's substance abuse in the history, it is not a safe drug to try. It is meant only for short term use.

    Lots of vodka always worked for me. However, since stopping that stuff, insomnia has become a way of life. Hence Sorabji.

    I've found that if I get books and tv and every other distraction out of the bedroom, the bedroom is for sleep. I can't expect my body to know "it's time for sleep now" ... after an hour of books, tv, sex, and triscuits in bed...simply by turning the light out???

    For the nose bleeds, try rinsing the ol snozz out with saline solution tid and using a little otc borofax or rx bactroban ointment on the sore parts. And use a humidifier when you sleep.

By eri on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 12:41 pm:

    I have been having a hard time sleeping lately, too. Usually I read until I just crash, but lately that hasn't been working. Reading has been getting me more worked up or just bored and I put the book down.

    I am drinking less. I wonder if that is it. Not like I am dehydrated, because I am replacing the alcohol with lemonade or things like that.

    I also wake up a lot during the night.

    I still wake up feeling better, for some reason, though I didn't get crap for sleep.

    I used to get the nosebleeds like that. I got a bottle of saline and sprayed it in my nose before I went to sleep and it stopped after a few days. It has only happened to me like twice in the last 4 years.

By J on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 01:01 pm:

    Vodka puts me right to sleep too,but it's not a good sleep and when I wake up I always feel like shit.

By patrick on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 01:26 pm:

    agatha, did you deliver cleo via midwife?

By Spider on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 02:12 pm:

    Nyquil makes me sleepy the first night I take it, but I can't take it again after keeps me up all night with the jitters.

    I'm a very restless sleeper -- I wake up several times during the night, often with tangled sheets or in strange positions, sometimes on the floor. Poor sleep is what gives me such vivid dreams.

    The only thing that ever helped me sleep was Elavil (one dose of 12.5 mg per night, for pain). It didn't put me to sleep, but made me sleep very deeply. I would sleep 9-10 hours without waking up once, but I woke in the mornings still tired and headache-y. Hated it.

By Nate on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 02:22 pm:

    ambien made me insane, wired and hallucinate. fuck that shit.

By spunky on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 02:34 pm:

    I have to take tylenol pm in order to go to sleep.
    If I do not, I will be awake until I take some, period.
    I have been this was for going on 8 years now.
    I am up to 10 pills a night.
    Started at 2.....

By patrick on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 02:43 pm:

    10 a night? 8 years????

    fuck spunky, get help. no. really. thats not normal.

By Nate on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 04:43 pm:

    you're not supposed to take tylenol pm for more than something like five days in a row.

By semillama on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 05:23 pm:

    He's going to start mutating any day now.
    He's going to grow an second, evil head.

By patrick on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 05:29 pm:

    the sleeping agent in that shit is akin to regular sleeping pills.

    i dunno about you, but i always feel funky after eating those or anything similar, nyquil included. I usually avoid those particular medicines if i can. I can never sleep on them and i tend to shuffle and squirm all night, the decongestant acts as a speed agent.

    seriously spunk, id stop taking them tonight, thats stuff is no good.

By semillama on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 05:39 pm:

    HAve you seen a doctor about this, spunky?
    What you do could easily be classified by our
    fair-minded and liberty-loving government as

    Not that I am SAYING that it IS, but you
    NEVER know who WILL.

By agatha on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:03 pm:

    you don't want to hear my birthing story, patrick. it will frighten you.

By eri on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 09:36 pm:

    I have been telling him to see the doctor for quite a while, but he doesn't listen. The amount of diphenhydramine in those pills is TOXIC to his body, and I have told him this, but now he is up to 10 PILLS A NIGHT (which he didn't tell me) and scaring the shit out of me.
    He even has physical withdrawls if he doesn't take as much.

    Someone, drag his ass to a doctor, cuz he won't let me do it, and he is more than twice my size!

    I have taken the Tylenol PM a couple of times, but will never use it more than one night in a row, because I fear becoming dependant on these pills and I think natural sleep is more what my body needs, even though it hasn't been easy lately. I hate taking pills (for those of you who haven't heard me bitch about this before) and only take them if I don't see any other choice.

By sarah on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 10:51 pm:

    melatonin is now my #1 sleep aid. i've temporarily lost my valium connection. so it's 2 mg of melatonin and about 30 minutes later it's nighty night.

By Antigone on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 11:12 pm:

    I'll bet I'm bigger 'n' spunky. When do you want my services?

By Platypus on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 11:45 pm:

    So, the new developments are as follows:

    a. I feel like shit. I have a summer cold, I think. My nose in all congested and I have a fever and I feel like...well...shit. And I can't breathe, which always happens when I get all congested, so I'm wandering around taking hits of maxxair and breathing sterterously through my mouth.

    b. started my new job today. I am now among the communters who board BART every day at 7:00 and I go into Berkeley and walk to work, and then come back in the evening. It seems to be working well (after one day, anyway), but...this whole sickness thing needs to stop.

    c. My neck hurts.

    d. Spunksters, ya gotta get unaddicted. This is part of the reason I'm trying to stay away from that stuff--I don't want to end up taking toxins into my body for years. (I thought, briefly, about trying a little of the old mary jane, but in my current aggravated asthmatic state, that wouldn't be a good idea, I guess).

    e. Fuck, my neck hurts.

By Platypus on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 11:46 pm:

    p.s. daniel--hydrogen peroxide shouldn't be used on stuff that's not white--it's bleach.

By Nate on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 11:57 pm:

    pot is good for asthma.


    i'm going to go work on my glucoma.

By Cat on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 12:38 am:

    Pot is bad for asthma.


By Nate on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 01:21 am:


By J on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:03 am:

    I have asthma,I like pot,sometimes it hurts my lungs though.

By kazoointoit on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 08:29 am:

    Pot is good for insomnia. I forgot about that
    since it's been so long...since I've had weed,
    not insomnia.

    One of my shrinks encouraged me to smoke
    because it was only then that I ate and slept.

    The longest I've ever stayed up without a nap
    or a blackout was about 76 hours. That was
    scary. I was wired and started hearing these
    loud BOOMs and seeing strange shadows on
    the sides of my eyes.

By Dougie on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 08:31 am:

    Yeah Spunk, get off the junk. Seriously. Try chamomile tea, warm milk (those things always piss me off though because although they do put me to sleep, I have to get up at 2:00 am to piss them out), a shot of brandy or scotch -- got to be better than sleeping pills.

By kazoointoit on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 09:23 am:

    yeah Spunk, there is a tea i mentioned earlier,
    I wish I could remember the name of it.
    Celestial Seasonings has a
    lemon-honey-chamomile that knocked me out
    quite a few times.

    and is there any kind of aroma-thing. I used to
    spray lavender on my sheets...that was
    relaxing, but i don't recall it making me sleepy.

By spunky on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 10:41 am:

    I know I gotta find something else.
    I do need to see a doctor....

By patrick on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 11:25 am:

    im fortunate to have never suffered sleeplessness.

    bongloads and red wine would be my first choice though.

    don't you feel the funk
    in the morning spunk
    from taking that junk?

By patrick on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 12:02 pm:

    email me anyway agatha because i never seem to have your active addy handy. i have some id love your take on.

By Antigone on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:23 pm:

    spunk, do you have anxiety before going to sleep? Do you get much exercize? Do you snore? Do you have digestive problems?

    You absolutely should go to a doctor. Sleep problems can be a symptom of SHITLOADS of other health problems, from physical to psychological. You need to take care of the cause, not just treat the symptoms.

    Make an appointment right now. Pick up the phone.


By Antigone on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 03:43 pm:

    Made your appointment yet, Trace?

By spunky on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 03:53 pm:

    No. I did just select a PCP through the HMO, and am now waiting for the request to go through.
    ECD is before the EOB Friday....

By spunky on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 03:56 pm:

    Sorry, that is COB.
    Pushing AFDS through the CPSG for the AIA is driving me UTW, and I may be EOM or DOA before the COB today.

By spunky on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 04:07 pm:

    YOu think I'm kidding?
    I bet that is a good source of my insomnia...
    I am working on an MOA for a MOU, and a CON, a NOS, a SOW.
    monitoring SRRs and STIGs, as well as IAVA and IAVM. I am reporting to DISA, NSA, CIA, AIA, CPSG, FBI, and a few others that I cannot say.
    I work in an NCC, for the AETC CS. Looking to relocate to a DECCD.
    Oh yes, and trying to decrypt encryptions as well......

By Antigone on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 04:14 pm:

    Try some SSRI's, then! But only if you're not on MAOI inhibitors. But remember...TANSTAAFL.

By Spider on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 04:17 pm:

    The Aliens Need Some Tangerines And A Fleece Lamb?

By patrick on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 04:27 pm:


By The Dinner Lady on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 05:55 pm:


By Nate on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 05:56 pm:


By patrick on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 06:05 pm:

    Kiss My Kinky Youthful Wide Ass Please dinner lady?

By agatha on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 08:44 pm:


    all of you.

By Platypus on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 09:59 pm:

    there ain't no such thing as a free lunch

By spunky on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 10:16 pm:

    The sick thing is I was not kidding

By spunky on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 10:18 pm:

    fyya2 nate.

By sarah on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 01:15 am:



By J on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 02:40 am:

    If anyone is ever out in my neck of the woods,would they please drop by and try to help me set my radio stations? I'd kiss your ass.

By Cat on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 05:12 am:

    I am soooo into green tea with ginger and ginko and lime. Man it gives you a lift.

    I'm never ever drinking coffee again, until tomorrow.

By spunky on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:19 am:

    Fight The Future?

By Pierre on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 11:58 am:

    Fuck the French

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