Orleans Thread #2


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By Kalli on Thursday, July 19, 2001 - 03:55 pm:

    I've got a cheap ass modem and I'm not gonna wait for this thing to keep loading.

    Is anyone going from the East Coast?


By Nate on Thursday, July 19, 2001 - 04:19 pm:

    OCTOBER 19-21
    NEW ORLEANS
    GROUP SEX
    LIBATION EXPERIMENTATION
    DRUG USE
    FIREARMS
    RUBBER PENISES
    LUBRICATION


    it's time to test the limits of human behavior.








By heather on Thursday, July 19, 2001 - 04:44 pm:

    by the way, this is new orleans thread #3 motherfuckers. go ahead, ignore mine. shit.


By Antigone on Thursday, July 19, 2001 - 05:00 pm:

    Woah, now Nateypoo... We don't want to scare off the kiddies.


By Cat on Thursday, July 19, 2001 - 05:39 pm:

    Like us "kiddies" don't eat rubber peni for breakfast. Pleeeeeeeeeeease.


By Hal on Thursday, July 19, 2001 - 05:52 pm:

    Yeah, what she said.

    I still think there is some prodding that needs to be done, I will sure as hell be there, I've needed a good party for a long time and a 5 day party is even better.


By J on Thursday, July 19, 2001 - 05:55 pm:

    I prefer a well done tube steak,but that's just me.


By Cat on Thursday, July 19, 2001 - 06:20 pm:

    "I still think there is some penis prodding that needs to be done"

    Yeah, what he said.


By patrick on Thursday, July 19, 2001 - 06:30 pm:

    explain yourself


By Cat on Thursday, July 19, 2001 - 06:33 pm:

    Make me, big boy


By patrick on Thursday, July 19, 2001 - 06:50 pm:

    *sigh*


    ahh forget it


By heather on Thursday, July 19, 2001 - 06:59 pm:

    cat needs some

    it's making her cranky




By Cat on Thursday, July 19, 2001 - 07:12 pm:

    I am incredibly happy and radiant and refuse to get cranky over dumb cliches being dragged out.


By heather on Thursday, July 19, 2001 - 07:18 pm:

    too bad. i was hoping for a lovely catfight.


By Kalli on Friday, July 20, 2001 - 01:06 am:

    Oh.

    This is gonna be happy time for you.

    Penguin!

    I really just wanna go to see if Nate's all talk.


By pez on Friday, July 20, 2001 - 01:59 am:

    it is going to be weeeeeeeeeeird.





    weird is the word of the day, in case you haven't noticed.


By Nate on Friday, July 20, 2001 - 01:36 pm:

    all talk how? how have i represented myself?


By heather on Friday, July 20, 2001 - 02:17 pm:

    oooo boy, you're in trouble. . .


By Nate on Friday, July 20, 2001 - 03:12 pm:

    ah fuck off.


By Kalliope on Friday, July 20, 2001 - 03:34 pm:

    HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA


By Nate on Friday, July 20, 2001 - 03:42 pm:

    you fuck off too.


By Kalli on Friday, July 20, 2001 - 03:44 pm:

    shut it.


By agatha on Friday, July 20, 2001 - 03:58 pm:

    none of you commented on the food. bastards.


By Nate on Friday, July 20, 2001 - 03:59 pm:

    you fuck off too, agatha.

    where on this thread is food mentioned? HMM?


By patrick on Friday, July 20, 2001 - 04:03 pm:

    can i fuck off?


By J on Friday, July 20, 2001 - 04:15 pm:

    Better to fuck off,than be fucked with.


By Kalli on Friday, July 20, 2001 - 04:16 pm:

    dork.


By patrick on Friday, July 20, 2001 - 04:23 pm:

    sploogemonkey


By patrick on Friday, July 20, 2001 - 04:24 pm:

    (im so ready to tangle tits with you)


By Kalli on Friday, July 20, 2001 - 04:27 pm:

    yea bring it on big boy.


By Jim aka Pajama on Saturday, July 21, 2001 - 08:40 pm:

    Kalli: I am in DC. I posted to the other thread to the same effect.

    patrick: can we tangle tits too?

    Everyone: I had my penis sucked today. It's not a rubber one though.


By Nate on Saturday, July 21, 2001 - 08:54 pm:

    Jim: Hooray for you and your penis!

    i've been the only one to touch my penis for too long now.

    grr.


By Jim aka Pajama on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 05:59 am:

    I could say so many things. Damn. Must show restraint. I'll just refer back to this:

    "By Nate on Thursday, July 19, 2001 - 04:19 pm:

    OCTOBER 19-21
    NEW ORLEANS
    GROUP SEX"

    Heh.


By heather on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 08:42 am:

    i think you should just say what you mean, jim


By patrick on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 11:50 am:

    im pretty shy about group sex.



    all this talk of it, is killing it.


    fucking weirdos.



    i took MDMA friday night. the REAL marital aid.

    fuck therapy. Eat this shit.

    Become an amorphous body.

    The mugwumps start to make more sense, and their jizm too.

    If i had my way, and money, i'd eat that shit as often as I could.


By heather on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 12:00 pm:

    that really is my plan


    talk about group sex and it cannot happen


    hm. maybe small group sex


By J on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 12:26 pm:

    I'm not fucking anyone....but I'll watch.


By agatha on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 01:08 pm:

    if i end up going, i hope there won't be too much p.d.a. that makes me vaguely uncomfortable.


By patrick on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 01:18 pm:

    pda?


By bingo on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 01:22 pm:

    don't get excited. pda's not a drug.
    pda = public display of affection


By patrick on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 01:24 pm:

    i didnt get excited fucker i just asked what the hell it stood for.


By bingo on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 01:25 pm:

    no need to be rude.


By spunky on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 01:26 pm:

    public display of assholes


By Hal on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 01:29 pm:

    Pubic Dysintary Asssyndrome

    I'm not counting on any group sex in NO, but hey if it happens cool, if not we'll all just get drunk and enjoy ourselves without it.


By agatha on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 01:49 pm:

    i'll not be having sex. no sirree.

    dave refuses to come. stubborn ratbastard.


By TBone on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 01:51 pm:

    tie him up and check him as luggage.


By semillama on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 02:00 pm:

    He's just afraid we'll like him.


By cyst on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 02:02 pm:

    I met dave. he's nice. he gave me a michelob.


By Antigone on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 02:25 pm:

    pda = patrick dicks anything

    dave, get your ass to New Orleans. That's an order.


By semillama on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 02:32 pm:

    Someone alert Gee as well.


By agatha on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 02:35 pm:

    didn't i teach you folks the rule of dave? if you tell him to go, he most definitely will not.

    IT'S SCIENCE.


By patrick on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 02:36 pm:

    "pda = patrick dicks anything"



    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA PATRICK DICKS!!!! JAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

    HAHAHAHAH GOD DAMN THATS SFUNNY



    I DICK ANYTHING!!!!!
    HAHAHAHAHA



    INCLUDING YOUR MOTHER HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    HAHAHAHAH I DICK ANYTHING DAMN THATS FUNNY!!!!


    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA









    you can do better greasebutt





By heather on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 02:49 pm:

    i hope dave doesn't go. he's mean.


By Spider on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 02:52 pm:

    Agatha, I have an aunt like Dave in that sense. My brother's like that too, now that I think about it. I marvel at your patience.


By semillama on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 02:52 pm:

    I'm going to have Antigone kick dave's ass if he shows up for being such a prick. I'm going to stand behind Antigone and cheer him on.


By agatha on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 03:08 pm:

    he's too smart to go in for that reverse psychology shit, too. a for effort, though!


By Spider on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 03:13 pm:

    I was being sincere.


By Nate on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 03:29 pm:

    dave's like spider's aunt, with his floral underwire bras and his old lady underpants.

    i hope dave goes. i want to drink him under the table and then piss on his passed out pussy self.


By TBone on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 03:33 pm:

    Dave scares me.


By agatha on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 03:37 pm:

    i know you were being sincere, spider. i was talking about "the others." you know, "the others."

    tbone, did he really scare you? did i?


By Cat on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 05:10 pm:

    Dave is a funny bunny sweetlips.


By Nate on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 06:05 pm:

    "funny bunny sweetlips" ? WTF does that mean?


By agatha on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 06:16 pm:

    i was thinking that same thing.


By Cat on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 06:26 pm:

    It means Dave.

    For Dave's sake, try and keep with the program. Dave you, you ass.


By Nate on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 06:29 pm:

    i hope it's australian for big jackass in ladies underwear.

    that would be a good foster's commercial.

    wide shot of a big red desert. figure in the distance. slow zoom in reveals teh figure to be dave wearing a floral bra and grandma panties, oil can of fosters in one hand, the lead of a donkey loaded with foster's boxes in the other.


    australian accented voice over: "funny bunny sweetlips"


By heather on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 07:26 pm:

    some things leave a bad taste in my mouth

    or my brain

    or something.


    you too agatha?


By Cat on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 07:37 pm:

    Why would the fact I referred to Dave in a deliberately incongruous and therefore comedic manner leave a bad taste in anyone's mouth?

    Lighten up. Please. Or go out and breathe more.


By Nate on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 07:44 pm:

    whew! i thought she was talking about my dave in lady's underwear imagery!

    i mean, that would make sense and all.


By Cat on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 07:49 pm:

    The sight of a big hairy bloke in grandma panties works for everyone. And the Fosters boxes are always a tasteful addition to any decor. There's no way that could be the "bad taste" Heather refers to.


By Nate on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 07:56 pm:

    of course, of course.

    i am generally wrong anyway. you ladies know best.


By heather on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 08:09 pm:

    ah yes


    there could be no way

    majesties and oracles



    cheers, babies
    there's only daylight for a little longer


    even if i have to tear out my spidey-sense with my own little finger


By agatha on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 10:14 pm:

    don't do that, heather. your spidey sense is valued.


By TBone on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 11:38 pm:

    In answer to your question, agatha...

    No, you didn't really scare me. Due to some other
    stuff I was trying to deal with on that trip, I
    wasn't really prepared to meet 3 kick-ass people
    like yourselves. That, and I had some weird
    dave-mental-block and caught myself off guard. Or
    something. Anyway, I know I came off weird and
    quiet shy, but I really liked meeting you all.

    So no, you didn't scare me any more than "new'
    people always do. But I'm goddamn tired of being
    weird and quiet and shy. So no more of that.
    Sorabjifest2001 is going to kick ass.


By agatha on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 11:49 pm:

    i didn't think you were weird. i did think you were shy, though. what sort of dave mental block? did the trip end up ok?

    i'm shy too, believe it or not. sometimes i feel really shy, and i compensate by blathering. i'd rather just be able to be quiet.


By pez on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 03:52 am:

    word is histronic.






    but don't stare.




    i'd prefer not to participate in group sex, but gunnysack races might be fun.


By Cat on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 05:08 am:

    There's nothing for any vicious little spiders to sense here. You're wasting your fangs.


By heather on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 08:53 am:

    no vicious
    no fangs

    spidey ain't about that


By Antigone on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 10:47 am:

    I think Dave is a funny bunny sweetlips too.

    Roll that up and smoke it.


By agatha on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 10:58 am:

    how bout, let's drop it.

    although, my saying that is virtually insuring that the conversation will continue.


By Antigone on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 11:28 am:

    No it isn't! :-P


By Czarina on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 11:53 am:

    Christ. Dave's not gonna be there? Well,just fill my ass with a bag of Orville Redenbakers,and set me in the sun.

    What am I gonna do now? Dave and I are the only 2 normal one's here.He's always been my one tenuous link to,[please forgive me for even mentioning this],the "real world".


By patrick on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 11:58 am:

    spiders sometimes live under rocks.


    did someone lift up a rock?



By heather on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 12:04 pm:

    i live under a rock. but that's irrelevant.


    it's spid-eee,
    SPIDEEEEEEEEE


By TBone on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 12:13 pm:

    I live under a mushroom.


By patrick on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 12:19 pm:

    it appears a rock was lifted. and perhaps something else got away.

    spideeeeeeeeee


By cyst on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 12:28 pm:

    agatha and dave aren't scary. they're so nice. I just showed up at their house on saturday while they were getting ready for this big feast, and they let me drink their beer and eat their good food and get in the way in the kitchen. agatha's sister is also super nice. we used to have crushes on the same boy. also, she makes good molasses cookies.

    their house is very old and cute. you all could guess that it's painted weird colors, right? well, having lived almost exclusively in suburban houses, urban rentals, and foreign apartments my whole life, I think anything other than eggshell is weird. they have a gas stove, wood floors, and a beautiful flower garden out front.

    olympia is beautiful in the summertime. I had a great time hanging out with them. then I went to tacoma for a utah day celebration with a bunch of lawyers. we watched "saturday's warrior" and played "exaltation," an official LDS board game. we ate jello from molds that spelled CTR (explained first as "choose the right" then "corrupt the righteous").

    I had a very fine time on I-5 saturday. if agatha and dave scare you, you should talk to your doctor about paxil.


By TBone on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 12:43 pm:

    The trip ended up being... alright. I'm still bummed that, due to those same issues, we stood Mavis up. Felt bad about that.

    My dave mental block... just dumb. Somehow managed to not realize that Dave was dave. I can't explain. Felt dumb. Anyway, I'm better now.

    I'm off to see my noggin doc in half an hour. I call her my drug dealer. I'll make sure to get the scoop on paxil.

    I have a couple Paxil note pads... I used to have a really cool Prozac electronic organizer thing too. There are some really crazy toys they'll give you with prescription brand names on them. The oddest was the little dipstick wiper thing with the name of some anxiety medication on it. It was a box with holes on each end with a slitted cube of foam in it.


By Nate on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 01:54 pm:

    no paxil. paxil is bad.

    i'm going to see dave and agatha and cleo and cyst if she comes and if it's ok with dave and agatha and cleo and it will be fun.


By cyst on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 01:58 pm:

    you coming up here to washington? I'll be gone for half of august and the start of september, but I'd love to meet up at some point. I may go to san francisco in late september. have to use up that swa credit soon. see you then if I go.


By agatha on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 02:03 pm:

    tbone, you aren't stupid, and you didn't act stupid. stop it.

    cyst, funny you said that about my house, because it was an absolute shambles when you came to visit. all i can see when i look around my house is all of the things that i want to change about it. it drives me nuts. thanks for the compliments, though. sorry everything was so chaotic and the food wasn't really ready and all that.

    dave is really nice. he thinks that women hate him, and that they give him dirty looks when they walk by him on the street. i have a hard time believing him, i mean, i'm sure some women do that to everyone, as do some men. i remember the first time i saw dave, i thought he had a really calm and centered energy about him. i've heard other women say that about him as well.


By Spider on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 02:14 pm:

    Does he have The Stillness? Like, when you sit with him and talk, he seems completely relaxed and at home with himself, and that spills over onto you so you become relaxed and peaceful just sitting with him?


By Spider on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 02:18 pm:

    That was even more incoherent and messy than usual. I hope you know what I meant to say.


    I know a man who has that quality, but it comes and goes with him. When he's got it, though, boy...you never want to leave his side.


By Nate on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 02:26 pm:

    it should be early september, cyst. we should be driving through washington on the way home. sounds like might miss you.


By cyst on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 02:31 pm:

    home from canada? I'll be back from mexico on thursday, september 6.


By Hal on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 02:43 pm:

    Reduce your anxiety by wiping off your dipstick over and over and over.

    Sounds like fun.


By agatha on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 03:12 pm:

    that's a good way of describing it, spider. dave also tends to spiral into depression, so maybe those personality traits are linked somehow.

    i'm probably embarrassing him now. dave, am i embarrassing you?


By TBone on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 03:31 pm:

    Sorry, I was doing my own little spiral there. I'm not sure why. I'm doing a little better now that I got away from work for a couple hours and sat in a traffic jam listening to good music.

    I was joking about paxil, so's you know. What I did get, however, cost me $170 for a month's worth. Sheeat. We (the doc and I) are gonna have a little talk about other options.


By Nate on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 03:34 pm:

    home from the east. via i90. and then south on i5.

    that might work. sept 6. i don't rightly know how long it will take to drive across the country but i imagine we'll be to washington around 6th or 7th.


By Spider on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 03:34 pm:

    Well, I almost said that I imagined that I'd feel that kind of calm being around Christ. But then I knew that would make Dave *really* uncomfortable.

    Right, Dave?


By Spider on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 03:35 pm:

    Nate, stop touching me.


By Nate on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 03:57 pm:

    make me.


By Spider on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 04:03 pm:

    Bite me.


By Antigone on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 04:04 pm:

    Please?


By semillama on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 04:05 pm:

    That's touching.


By Spider on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 04:05 pm:

    Please what?


By Spider on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 04:07 pm:

    AGHKH!


By Antigone on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 04:13 pm:

    hehehe...


By Stan on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 05:03 pm:

    AHAH!! WETNESS CUNTFUCK AHHAH!!


By Hal on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 05:40 pm:

    Feel the love.


By pez on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 02:50 am:

    aH.




    yes. love is very nice. and then i got grounded.


By Nate on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 11:26 am:

    you're not grounded, pez. you're 19.


By patrick on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 11:30 am:

    oh my god.


    they grounded you???


    HA!

    spine pez...spine!!!


By agatha on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 11:38 am:

    we should kidnap her when she comes to new orleans, and set her up in a new town where she can go out with a guy without getting grounded.


By Antigone on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 11:47 am:

    I hope no one from law enforcement is reading this thread. We already have drug use, group sex, and kidnapping mentioned...


By J on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 11:50 am:

    Oh,fuck them if they can't take a "joke"!


By semillama on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 12:04 pm:

    J is still my hero.


By Hal on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 12:50 pm:

    What did they ground your ass for.

    Hope this doesn't impare New Orleans, otherwise we're going to have to come and kidnap your ass anyway.


By TBone on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 01:00 pm:

    We wouldn't "kidnap" her. We'd "assist" her in creating a new, improved, 50% more devious lifestyle. (Fortified with essential vitamins and monkey lovin')


By Nate on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 01:12 pm:

    well, if she's grounded now i'd say the chances of her coming to new orleans are slim to none.

    really, what right minded parent would let their juvie go to new orleans to meet a bunch of strangers?


By Spider on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 01:17 pm:

    What right-minded person would go to New Orleans to meet a bunch of strangers?


By semillama on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 01:18 pm:

    who are you calling right-minded?!

    whose a bunch of strangers?!


By Spider on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 01:35 pm:

    1) Me.

    2) You.


By Nate on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 01:40 pm:

    spider, you really should come down and check us out.

    life isn't about staying in your comfort zone. what's the point?

    i promise i won't try to put anything in your ass.


By Antigone on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 01:43 pm:

    1) Please.

    2) Please?


By patrick on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 01:45 pm:

    i'll take that ass pledge too.


    not to put anything in spiders ass.


    are you calling me a stranger spider?? HUH?? HUH???


By Hal on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 01:47 pm:

    You know what, my parents don't have a problem with it...

    Wait my parents don't have a say in it. Oh yeah.

    Shit.


By TBone on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 01:59 pm:

    Right-minded is pretty far fetched, but the other one... well, the root of the word is right on.

    Well, a road trip of one is unacceptable (unless Apparissus joins me. He very well may.) so I may have to go get her. It'd be a perfect chance for her to show her parents some of the "legal adult" implications.


By Nate on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 02:00 pm:

    her dad is going to kick your ass, tbone.

    he's psycho, you know. he'll attack moving cars.


By Nate on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 02:03 pm:

    and, btw:

    I firmly recommend that Pez DOES NOT attend Sorabjifest2001.

    This is my official position. Anything contrary to this position is for comedic or theoretical purpose, and should be read as such. I have no intentions of sodomizing Pez.


By Spider on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 02:03 pm:

    I ain't got the money, the time, or the will.

    You do make me laugh, though. But leave my ass out of this.


By patrick on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 02:24 pm:

    the will?


    wft?


By heather on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 02:25 pm:

    SHE DOES NOT WANT TO



By semillama on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 02:37 pm:

    1. Our loss.

    2. Your loss.

    There is no winner anywhere.

    I misspelt "who's" up there and I apologize.

    I am listening to "Ain't High-Falutin'" by Mojo Nixon though.


By patrick on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 02:41 pm:

    have a seat heather.


    this doesnt concern you.


By TBone on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 02:52 pm:

    "he's psycho, you know. he'll attack moving cars."

    has this been verified?

    My official position is this: I should never be taken seriously... No matter what I say. Ever.

    Even if I think I am being sincere, I'll probably change my mind anyway.


By patrick on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 02:55 pm:

    yeah she said once before, when she stormed off, he came out and like jumped on her car as she pulled out.


By pez on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 03:01 pm:

    (1) my parents never have a clue about my love life.

    (2) the reason for grounding was not telling them where i'd be, and not calling when i was out past one am.

    (3) my dad didn't jump on the car; he punched and kicked the window and then sat on the hood.

    (4) i have a nose for trouble, don't i?


By patrick on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 03:08 pm:

    no, your parents are assholes and make trouble.


    you havent done anything anyother 19 year old would do.


    you are 19 pez, they CAN'T ground you, thats absurd.

    whats really bothersome, is the cycle of dependency they have thwarted on you.

    why haven't you gotten your own place yet?


By heather on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 03:08 pm:

    alas patrick you are right



    is 19 juvie?

    sorry about your dad, pez. i had one too. one like that.


By Hal on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 03:18 pm:

    19 is not juvi, the only diff between 21 and 19 is insurance and drinking.

    Pez, you are an adult now, up and move out. Come out to college here in Montana, beautiful country, wonderful people, always something to do, and if you like some outdoors ITS EVERYWHERE. If you don't its easily avoidable. That and its really easy to make friends here. You'd like it here. And guess what, this is one of the benifits I love, no parents around to ground you or say NO or anything else.


By pez on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 03:18 pm:

    i haven't gotten a place yet.

    portland is an expensive place to have a home. "low" rent is classified as around $300... about a quarter of my monthly income.

    maybe more.

    my parents seem to have the impression that i'll buy the car from them and drive around. no way. car + gas + parking + insurance + repairs = way too fucking expensive if i plan to live on my own.

    i almost don't know what to do. they want to control where i go, who my friends are, where i live and how i live and so on. there are times that they seem realy supportive, but that doesn't last very long and they seem to have the impression that i can find a place to live even if i have no time to look.

    i like to spend time with james because i don't have to worry about any of that stuff around him. he understands about writing and friendships and parents.

    i need to find the pdx pop email list, hopefully that'll help me with some leads.


By Nate on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 03:24 pm:

    19 is juvi when you are able to be grounded.

    don't be grounded, pez. do what you want.

    let your parents kick you out. you're planning on getting out anyway.


By pez on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 03:24 pm:

    i guess i balk at breaking threads and leaving the secure space of my home. i'd have to go without so many things.

    when i move out, school prolly won't be an option for awhile. i enjoy taking classes to a certain degree, but paying for my own schooling is easy to make one burn out.






    i don't have a lot of backbone, i'll admit. the loss of backbone was once a defence mechanism, but it certainly isn't helping now.


By Nate on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 03:30 pm:

    it's just the first step that scares you, maybe?

    do something drastic. don't think about it too much, just do it. put yourself into a completely new place where you have no choice but to deal with the consequences and reap the rewards.

    you can become an adult in a month. really.

    maybe you should tell tbone to drive you back to montana instead of home after new orleans.

    start fresh.


By patrick on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 03:33 pm:

    $300 IS VERY CHEAP pez.

    Portland is VERY cheap.

    and your rent SHOULD be about 25% to 30% of your income, thats normal.


    Im not sure what part of town is cool...but i jsut scanned the Oregonian classifieds and found numerous 2 bedroom joints for under $600, they all appear to be on the bus lines.

    see http://www.oregonlive.com/homes/index.ssf?/cgi-bin/realsrch.cgi

    With a room mate thats about $300 and some change (for utilities) a month. thats absolutely nothing.

    you can do this pez....by all means. You parents controlling nature must stop.


By patrick on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 03:37 pm:

    "secure space of my home" your parents have imposed this on you.


    I cant imagine lossing spine ever to be a defense mechanism.

    nonetheless.


    jsut think pez....imagine having a place all of your own. a place to walk around naked in if you please, your own cats, your own music, whenever you want, your own cabinets full of whatever you wish, your own bathroom.

    im sure nates right and the first step is scaring, but all it takes is a little UMPFFFFFF and you're off.

    If you want support, find a good girlfriend to move in with you to a two bedroom place.

    once you do this, you'll wonder what the fuck took you so long.


By TBone on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 03:41 pm:

    My mom was like that, sorta... not the weird violent part, but the I-will-control-your-adult-life part.

    She tried to ground me for the very same reason. Fortunately she's not the yelling type, so I sat her down and explained that she can ASK me to let her know where I am and such... But she can't MAKE me. She can only kick me out.

    But I knew that the issues were about her dealing with me growing up and moving out, so it was safe to say these things without some sort of back-up lodging and no income.

    I moved away a couple months later.

    My rent was a quarter of my monthly income when my girlfriend lived with us. Now it's more. (I can't afford it for long this way, but when we get another roommate, it'll be fine again.) If you share a larger place, rent usually goes down. I have a cheap car, (that'll be paid off in a couple months)... I have a cell phone and I eat enough.
    When I behave, I don't have money problems.

    School loans exist because college students can't afford to live and pay for school simultaniously. You can do it, if you want to.


By Spider on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 03:43 pm:

    Yeah, kiddo, just do it. Your parents will be mad at first, but they'll get over it. It's their problem, anyway.

    Moving out is not as scary as you think it is. The water in the pond is never as cold as you think it will be.


    Whoooo, I sign my lease today!


    Holy mother of God, I can't imagine paying $300/mo for an apartment. Maybe I should move to Portland after I'm tired of DC.


By heather on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 03:52 pm:

    they'll probably still help you for school anyway


    you should finish school


By cyst on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 03:53 pm:

    pez - pretend you're going to move out only temporarily, just as a trial. drop out of school if you have to.

    then after a couple of weeks on your own, you will realize that there is no other way to live. then you will figure out how to make it work with school or whatever else you need to do.

    pretend you're only moving out for three months. tell yourself that, that you are going to try it out. plan to go back to school winter quarter.

    you can't stay in boring forever.


By patrick on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 03:59 pm:

    sorry if we seem to be harping pez....but we are insistant for a reason.


By Spider on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 04:02 pm:

    Hey, there's always the option to transfer to a good school that's far from home.


By Spider on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 04:09 pm:

    That might be the best choice, actually. It concedes a bit of control to your parents while allowing you to experience living on your own, and you also have a psychological cushion for yourself. If you start your transfer applications now, you might be able to move to a new school next Spring.


By Antigone on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 04:17 pm:

    Hey, I've got an idea. Rhiannon, you can convince pez to move out. pez, you can convince Rhiannon to come to New Orleans. That way we'll all be content.

    Hmm? Hmm? Whaddya think?

    :-P


By Spider on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 04:28 pm:

    No. I'm being motivated by altruism.

    :


By patrick on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 04:42 pm:

    bribery?


By cyst on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 04:56 pm:

    you guys. pez's parents live far enough away from portland that if she were to live in the city, that would probably be far enough. portland is a good, friendly city for someone to start growing up in. she can live there without a car. she will find many people who share her beliefs. she won't freeze in the winter. I've been to a lot of places, and I can think of no better city than portland for her to move out on her own to.


By Antigone on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 05:16 pm:

    She should move to friendly Tijuana.


By Antigone on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 05:16 pm:

    Rent is really cheap there, I hear.


By Cat on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 05:44 pm:

    If you want friendly, how about Disneyland? I'm thinking the Magic Castle. I always wanted to live there.


By Hal on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 06:04 pm:

    Rent is cheap here in Montana. You could live here and go to college, AND you don't have to worry about the car issue because people here bike and take busses anyway. TBone and I drive because we drive volkswagons and well we are symbols of the comunity with our vastly outdated yet superior cars.


By wisper on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 07:11 pm:

    $300 bucks pez, live in my basement room.
    that's open to any of you, actually.


By heather on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 07:18 pm:

    are you charging 300 bucks? cause that's what she doesn't want to pay.


    go to montana. have hal and tbone drive you around.


By Nate on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 07:26 pm:

    in their outdated yet superior volkswagons.

    yeah, pez. you can live in my third bedroom for free if you keep house. and pack me tasty, healthy, vegetarian lunches 5 days a week.




By wisper on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 07:33 pm:

    $300 canadian, heather.
    that's $1.75 US.
    i think she can make it ;)


By patrick on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 08:00 pm:

    shit nate, does that come with bong hits? I'll pack your lunch with personalized notes everytday damn


By Nate on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 08:09 pm:

    sure man. no one in my house ever finds themselves in need of bong hits.

    it's the santa cruz mountains for chrissakes.


By TBone on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 10:41 pm:

    Disclaimer:

    The opinions expressed by hal on this program do not necessarily represent those of other VW-driving Missoulians.

    I was checking some local listings and found a little 2-bedroom house for $425 a month.

    I checked it out. Cute. Big trees. Less than a block from the University.

    Or... App and I need a third. $250. And you can paint your room any way you like.


By Daniel ssss on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 12:25 am:

    For $1600 a month you can live in my house in Missouri, amass equity, and have four bathrooms and a large garden and an empty hottub. I'll live in the basement and cook and clean for you. No bonghits, but all the organic vegetables you can stand, a weight room, and 217 acres of woods (my neighbors' not mine) surrounding you.

    A deal. Go to Webster University for $17,000 a year too, Only a thirty minute drive. No busline in the boonies.

    I'll throw in aol for nothing.

    Seriously, good luck in your choices. Nothing is ever so bad that it could not get worse tomorrow.


By patrick on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 11:34 am:

    you can get a two bedroom/two bath apartment in my bldg for $1400. Balcony with a great view, and a mailbox.


    thats it.

    oh and laundry facilities that eat quarters.


By heather on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 11:57 am:

    for 475 you can live next door to me in one room in a flat shared with 4 other people. complete with kitchen and one bathroom. no living room because they've all been turned into bedrooms and for that one you'll have to pay 650. plus utilities.

    laundry is 6 blocks away.


By semillama on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 12:18 pm:

    For $450 I get a small living room, a small kitchen, a bathroom and two bedrooms. No A/C. though. But I do get all the spiders I want!


By heather on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 12:28 pm:

    not ALL the spiders you want

    [heehee]


By Spider on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 12:55 pm:

    Ew.


By semillama on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 01:05 pm:

    dorks.


By Nate on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 01:12 pm:

    HA HA!

    for $2000 my co-worker is living in a small loft in a converted walnut factory.


By J on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 01:38 pm:

    He must be "nuts".


By heather on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 01:49 pm:

    that's 'dork' sem. there is just one me.

    and it was just a joke, dammit, i couldn't help it
    I JUST COULDN'T!!!


By heather on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 02:09 pm:

    that's 'dork' sem. there is just one me.

    and it was just a joke, dammit, i couldn't help it
    I JUST COULDN'T!!!


By heather on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 02:09 pm:

    oh. look what i did. silly.


By semillama on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 02:11 pm:

    dork.


By heather on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 02:24 pm:

    that's better


By pez on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 02:33 pm:

    i guess i've been spoiled the one room i've investigated was in a punkhouse. $140 per month, practically a discount if you brought a cat with you.










    wait....$250 a month?!?!


By pez on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 02:34 pm:

    i guess i've been spoiled the one room i've investigated was in a punkhouse. $140 per month, practically a discount if you brought a cat with you.










    wait....$250 a month?!?!


By Hal on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 02:49 pm:

    Yeah 250 a month move here, live with TBone and App, paint the room up. And its a good location too..

    Or we've got a room opening up at my place $270 a month Your room is your personal space, no one comes in without your auth, and rarely do they do it anyway. I'm having a DSL installed next month, we have a kickin front porch, Washer/Dryer, 2 bathrooms, a cellar, less then 2 blocks from the river, a quick walk to downtown, awsome roomates.


By patrick on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 02:58 pm:

    dont expect to accomplish much in a punker house.


By Spider on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 03:04 pm:

    It would probably be dirty, too. Ick.


By Kalli on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 03:29 pm:

    Richmond is by far the cheapest living I have ever experienced. Ryan and I are moving into a new place in two weeks that runs 725 including water and gas. And it's nice!!! Annnnd splitting that is only 360 a month.

    Pez..it's totally fucking scary moving out, but once you do it, you've done it, and you'll never ever regret going back. There's something to be said for independence.

    Hey, I'll move in with Nate and you can take my place.

    Only if he promises to let me spank his booty once a week.


By Hal on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 05:40 pm:

    ooh ooh booty spankins'.


By TBone on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 01:17 am:

    What's a punkhouse?

    My house has a 9-foot ceiling. Well, the main floor does. The upstairs has
    that sloping right-under-the-roof ceiling. I've had the place all to
    myself for a good chunk of the summer. Big porch in front with skychairs,
    small one in back. Our trees produce little spiky balls.

    Within very short walking distance to the Orange Street Food Farm and The
    Good Food Store... the two best places I know of in town to get the good
    stuff...
    Organic stuff, veggie/vegan stuff...

    I think I've been ruined on apartments. At least Montana apartments
    anyhow.

    There's a ghost in the attic and a monster in the basement. The ghost is
    nicer than the monster.

    Our neighbors don't say the name of our landlord. They spit it. But we
    haven't seen nor heard from him since the day we first looked at the
    place. He said no pets, but his ad said maybe... and he'd honestly never
    notice. I don't think he ever went upstairs to realize that the previous
    owners had painted odd pictures and stick figures in one room.

    We've got a pretty decent DSL line, no cable tv or even rabbit ears, but
    we do DVDs and VHS.

    Any one of you can move in with us. We don't want to have to move. All
    terms open to negotiation. Pictures available upon request.

    Except Hal can't. I wouldn't want to both work and live with anyone.

    Are you sold or what?

    Someone? Anyone?


By pez on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 02:58 am:

    i'll have to think about it, but the idea of not living with parents is pretty tempting.

    it would be sad to move away from pdx though. i'm within an hour's drive (rush hour) from the hospital where i was born. always have.




    so i guess that's one reason why i balk at moving to another state.

    but if you'll send me pictures, i'll think about it.


By Dougie on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 08:12 am:

    Nostalgia for the hospital where your were born is keeping you there? Damn, I work in hospitals and if you've seen one, you've seen 'em all. I'm sure there's a perfectly fine one by Tbone.


By semillama on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 08:59 am:

    You just stated the reason you need to move, pez.


By Czarina on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 10:35 am:

    Why do you want to live by the hospital that you were born at?Is it so you can return yourself?


By Hal on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 11:35 am:

    Kick me in the balls while your at it TBone.


    I don't want to move in, I'll get my own DSL, and my own Sky Chair, and my own DVD player... I don't need you, *sniff* *sniff* I understand I do.


    Fucko.


By patrick on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 11:45 am:

    a punk house is a house in which anywhere from 4-10 punkers crash.

    its usually a chaotic mess, bands usually play shows in the basement (or wherever), the cops usually have it on their weekly radar but otherwise can be a great place to retreat to. I had many friends in "punkhouses" that i escaped to in high school, but i could never live in one. the ones i hung around were usually older kids, the "old school" punks in town...Trevor, Bear, Worm and the others. Saw many great shows in the basement, a stabbing and other messed up fights. Other punk houses where friends stayed were more mellow, but still chaotic. I need peace and calm where I live.

    pez its clear your hesitant, and intimidated, and even scared.

    i would advise you stay in portland. just get out of your parents house. in a time like this for you, the familiarity of Portland and your friends will be an asset until you gain the necessary confidence and knowledge.

    like every one keeps saying, once you are out, you wonder what the fuck took you so long.


By pez on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 12:57 pm:

    it's not the point that i can visit the hospital. it's that this area is my home.


By Nate on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 12:58 pm:

    i think a whole other environment would be better. remove the option of running back to your parents when things get tough.


By cyst on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 02:11 pm:

    punkhouses are dirty.

    no environment is better than portland. I'd rather live there than barcelona, my second favorite city.


By Hal on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 02:15 pm:

    Parents away, come live us in the mountains Pez.


By patrick on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 02:19 pm:

    why do you guys keep pushing her to come live with you?

    If i were her id start to get creeped out with your insistance.


By cyst on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 02:35 pm:

    self-serving altruism, to get to be the one to turn pez's life around?

    this is so dumb. she knows what she needs to do.

    but it's kind of cool to have your parents to blame for not letting you do what you want, for constantly interfering, for treating you like a child, for sitting on the car they want you to buy, for scoffing at your vegetarianism, for claiming you on their taxes so you don't get your own refund, for forbidding you to grow up.

    it can be sort of relaxing to credit your misery to someone else. it assuages any guilt you may feel about not doing something with your life or at least about not having a good time. I kind of get it.


By heather on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 02:58 pm:

    exactly


    it's hard to see when you're the one doing it


By agatha on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 03:11 pm:

    ouch, cyst. if nothing else makes her up and leave, that paragraph just might.


By cyst on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 03:30 pm:

    it's an annoying hobby of mine to try to see things clearly and then express them plainly. it's a wonder I have any friends at all. but the ones I have come to me when they want a true and honest opinion, which can be a rare thing.

    now that I'm looking, I recognize the blamers in everyone, including myself. I spent nine years getting my bachelor's degree because I knew once I got it I would no longer have an excuse for fucking around. I didn't want to take the responsibility that comes with having no reason not to be doing something worthwhile, not to be happy.

    I think pez is like most of the rest of us in her complaining/not doing anything. and her stories are often entertaining. obviously she will have to move out on her own someday (unless, to continue a thread that I have been pushing lately, she wants to be like robert crumb's brother, who lived with his parents until the day he killed himself). I don't think that in the end the harangues of people she's never even met are going to do much to change the date on which that finally happens.

    I like pez. she's bright and cool and interesting. it's my own responsibility to make myself stop feeling frustrated about her not listening to the advice of the rest of us, who of course have perfect lives.


By Hal on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 03:30 pm:

    No insistance Patrick, she doesn't have to come here to Missoula to live, just offering an opertunity.

    I know exactly what its like to be in her position becaues less then 6 months ago I was in the same one, same problems, same issues, and I up and left. And you know what I'm loving it, I have things I never had before. Not just material things, friends who I can see without worry of when I have to be home becuase of someone elses rules, the ability to go out and have fun without having to check in with someone. I still talk to my parents and it shocked the hell out of them when they found out I was leaving, and they didn't want me to go and tried to keep me back, but once they realized I was going with or without their approval they supported me the best they could, when I left my dad cried. I've NEVER seen my dad cry till that day. I left feeling good, and yet scared about what might happen. I won't lie to you Pez, it is kinda scary, but once you up and do it you'll realize its not as scary as it seems.

    I offer Missoula because its a great place I think you might like, if you want to stay in the portland area, do so, I don't want you to do anything you don't want to. Enjoy life, become your own person, and make your parents become people you can rely on but don't have to.


    Do what you feel you should do, and if your not ready to leave then don't. Try it out if you have to, I did, and didn't suceed the first time. Make your life yours.


By cyst on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 03:52 pm:

    my mother also cried when I left home. but it has to be done.


By J on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 03:58 pm:

    If my kids left home,I'd cry too,tears of joy.


By semillama on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 04:07 pm:

    heh heh heh.

    Maybe I shouldn't laugh.


By TBone on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 05:06 pm:

    Did I sound pushy? I didn't expect her to even say maybe. I mentioned in an email that I didn't really think she'd be interested. Not that I'd turn her down. It'd be cool to live with Pez, and we need a third. That's where the self-serving comes in.

    It wouldn't be me turning her life around. That's her job. I don't think it's really even altruism. I'm a greedy bastard.

    Her friends and her boyfriend are in Portland. There are far fewer people to meet and job opportunities in Montana. The flipside of cheap rend is that the jobs don't pay much. If I had liked the city I grew up in, I might have stayed, at least for a while. But I didn't. I like Portland though. It's on my list of potential places to live.

    That wasn't personal, Hal. I wouldn't wanna work with App, either.

    No disrespect to Hal, but he has a tendency to speak for me or about me on the boards in a way that sometimes doesn't accurately represent me. Please don't get offended Hal. You're just more enthusiastic than I am. I am not Hal, but I'm not better than Hal. Hal is a very cool guy.

    This probably sounds like I'm reversing myself because patrick and cyst said I'm being pushy or self-serving. That sucks. (no, I'm not offended)

    I was just having fun playing the part of salesman.


By Nate on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 05:15 pm:

    you guys suck.

    pez should come live with me.

    do my dishes and shit.


By heather on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 05:20 pm:

    asshole


By heather on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 05:20 pm:

    ew. hate that word. if it's a word.


By Hal on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 05:26 pm:

    I give up.


By cyst on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 05:54 pm:

    nate, patrick. I sent you guys stuff in the mail today.


By patrick on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 05:57 pm:

    cool!!!!!


By pez on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 06:05 pm:

    no offense nate, but i'm a little scared of you.

    it might be fun to visit montana and see you guys (hal and tbone), but portland is my hometown.

    i like having people to blame. blaming others keeps me from blaming myself, which in turn delays my going into depression again.

    a lot of this scares me, because i've been fairly well sheltered my entire life. more freedom = more responsibility, and i'm not sure how well i'd deal with it.

    what i'd basically like is to get my life straightened out so i can at least spend a few months as a kid. go to shows, hang out with people i adore, and write.

    of course there's the factor of supporting myself, which i'm not sure i can do with my wage and 20 hours per week, paying union too.

    it's sortof like going wading in a creek. i'm dipping my toes in, trying to decide if the water's too cold.


By cyst on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 06:13 pm:

    it's kind of boring, patrick. just the newspaper you asked for a long time ago!


By Antigone on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 06:13 pm:

    Ah, don't be scared of Nate. He's a pussycat.

    Of course, if you're scared of me too, that's probably not a ringing endorsement. :-)


By patrick on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 06:18 pm:

    your life wont be any more straightened out pez than it is right now.


    you have no problems.

    knowing you've been sheltered is no excuse to continue being sheltered.

    pez we all did it, we all just didnt land into $11/hour jobs. I shared two bedroom place with nico for a year working for $5.25 and hour. It was hard, i just worked 30-40 hours a week.


    if you are comfortable sitting on the shore stickin your toes in...cool, the action is out in the lake though



By heather on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 06:27 pm:

    minimum wage in massachusetts is $6.75

    $5.15 most places


    i forgot about minimum wage

    jeez. that sucks.

    another reason to finish school, pez. or at least pick a specific direction.



By Nate on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 07:34 pm:

    living wage in santa clara county is $12.95 or something.

    and no offense intended, patty, but after i sold drugs to get through college i landed a job that was considerably better than $11/hr.

    i don't know the hourly wage breakdown on moving schwagg, but i never worried about money.


By Nate on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 07:35 pm:

    and when i say me, of course, i refer to the lead character of the totally fictional novel i'm writing.

    shit.


By Nate on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 08:09 pm:

    oh, and pez, i don't blame you for being scared of me. i'm not offended. but antigone is right. and i don't seriously want you to come live with me and do my dishes.

    but if you needed the room and asked, i would let you live there. same goes for just about anyone here.


By Cat on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 08:50 pm:

    I believe Pez likes to think about moving out because it makes her feel better when she's mad at her parents. And that's OK. I dreamed of running away for two years before I finally did.

    One day, she will just up and go. Hopefully it won't be in a dramatic way, but just when she's strong enough and knows that the time is right.

    I hope it will be to share with a girlfriend or in a college situation at first.

    But Pez has mentioned that she's never had a holiday without her folks. So, how about going on a week's camping holiday with a friend? Or even driving to visit a Sorajite or two for a short break?

    Small steps first, then you'll be sprinting before you know it.


By pez on Saturday, July 28, 2001 - 02:38 am:

    wah. wah. wah.

    i feel awful because topics i post in always turn to my parents and current living situation.

    i'm a wuss. listening too little, too much, allowing myself to be swayed by others opinions. WHAT DO *I* WANT?????



















    i don't know.


By Gee on Saturday, July 28, 2001 - 03:17 pm:

    WISPER

    don't you live in toronto?

    tell me about your $300 basement. please please please.


By Czarina on Sunday, July 29, 2001 - 10:12 am:

    I'm in total agreement with Cyst.Portland is a fantastic city.I honestly can't think of a better place to spread your wings.The people are insightful,environmentally oriented,and its got some of the most gorgeous scenery,right outside your window.

    Pez,when the time is right,you'll make your move.The harsh reality is,that paying bills is a bitch.The most important thing for you to concentrate on,is school.My advice is to suck off your parents as long as you can.There are lots of subliminal ways to pay them back for that evil rabbit incident.Trust me on this,sponge off them,and do it effectively,and you'll be surprised by how much they'll want you to move out.[just ask J,she knows!]

    By the time my parents got me out of the house,I had my degree,didn't work,partied and traveled all the time,[on their expense account].By then,they couldn't wait to get rid of me,but I didn't want to go.So they bribed me.Gave me a brand new car,and rented me a house.But I still showed up at their house to eat and do laundry.This got me a new washer and dryer,and they bought me groceries.Damn,this is making me homesick.They were mean parents to make me leave.I wish I was still at home.

    My point is,you can make this work for you.Finish school,that should be your priority.Simply outsmart them.It can be extremely gratifying,to have the upper hand,and your parents won't figure it out for awhile,that they are actually pawns in your clever little hands.

    Then when the time is right,out you'll go,educated and able to be self sufficent.

    Well,it worked for me at least.And I think J will verify this,that she is at the point that she is willing to pay rent and buy groceries to have her spawn out of her house.

    Well,this is just another option to consider,as long as everyone is offering advice.[incidently,this plan won't work,if you have an older sibling who has already implemented this technique,parents usually catch on,after one child has played them out]



By Daniel ssss on Sunday, July 29, 2001 - 01:07 pm:

    Ah dear dear Czarina! You would not be The Czarina if it were not for your ingenuity... of course.

    And Pez, Czarina is right.


    ...oh...I left home when I was fifteen and yet I returned to leech off the parental land, and it was not that bad at all, someone paid the bills while I saved (or partied away) what I had coming in; someone complained I should get home earlier while I continued to stay out late or not come home at all (that's what telephones are for); and someone got me out of jams, fixes, and nearly jail at least more than once, while I pushed the limits as an entitled adolescent in my early twenties.

    And somehow school got paid for, and I found a wonderful woman, and I married her, and my evil step mother and my father even bought our first maritial bed and roof over the maritial heads (though I think they wired the bed and there were cameras all over...), and he cried when the two of us little kids of twenty four or so continued on in grad school and left the family fold a few years later. And then they still sent money and broken stale cookies out of guilt that they had not done enough.

    So, suck up, and take advantage of your position; the parents are putty in your hands.

    Though I am not offering advice, and if I offered advice or godforbid! a place to live (other than my offer to be a hunchbacked servant in the basement shadows if you rented my domicle in the woods), no doubt the Sorabji Moral Police would be on my case for robbing the cradle. So take it from an old man whose parents are dead twenty one years (Dad) and thirty five years (Mom): you'll get through it.

    Write poetry and baffle them all.

    "whatever tomorrow brings I'll be there with open arms and open eyes..."


By agatha on Sunday, July 29, 2001 - 02:12 pm:

    i'm pretty sure that pez's parents are not paying for her college. in fact, i'm almost positive.


By Daniel ssss. on Sunday, July 29, 2001 - 03:06 pm:

    And neither did my parents after the first year; but nine years of full time college got paid for through hard work and scholarship. Can be done.

    I made some pretty kick-ass salsa today. From my organic tomato patch.


By agatha on Sunday, July 29, 2001 - 05:27 pm:

    i just ate some salsa i made last week. no packaged salsa can compare to the real deal.

    my tomatoes are doing lousy this year. not enough sun.


By Daniel ssss on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 12:59 am:

    Here: Plenty sun, plenty rain, and I planted the little buggers before the last frost and nearly lost all of the thirty some plants, now one or two less in number, but all a good five and half feet tall and staked with half inch rebar, vinyl yellow surveyor's flagging tape instead of the customary cloth ties.

    The salsa was even a hit with my "I won't eat anything spicy" son. And he doesn't like tomatoes. Made about six (almost) quarts packed in smaller containers, and frozen. Ah, nothing like a fresh jolt in midwinter! Reminds me...

    Even a late frost can't beat tomato plants deeply planted: lost the top growth but all of em came back with a vengeance. Looked at a 21.7 cu ft freezer yesterday since my old Coldspot shot freon all over the basement. Don't know if I will have enough to justify the investment, since there's no meat (like half a cow would fit into a 21.7...) to deep freeze.

    Hot cold hot cold. Hot here tonight. Quiet too. Enough.


By patrick on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 11:36 am:

    no offense natty....

    but that was after college eh?

    a 19 year old, who hasn't finished college, muchless moved out of her parents house...$11/hour is though possible, but not likely...unless she's selling hand jobs or something.




    Fuck it, Im tired of trying to offer any hints of wisdom to pezzy....and im sure shes tired of seeing it right pezzy?



    i want to grow stuff. gardening seems to theraputic. And Im also all about efforts reaping tangible, and even tasty rewards.

    agatha is your salsa all chunky? I like it thin, not chunky. Only trader joes has salsa up to my non-chunk standards.


By dave. on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 12:58 pm:

    BIG surprise there.


By patrick on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 01:02 pm:

    what dave, WHAT???

    the salsa? the pez? the minimum wage? the gardening?

    WHAT SAY YOU DAVE?


By Dougie on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 01:16 pm:

    MMM, chunky salsa. Salsa should be like a meal. And hot as hell (not temperature hot, spicy hot).


By agatha on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 01:19 pm:

    salsa.

    big chunks of cilantro, and a lot of it.
    finely chopped garlic
    finely chopped onion, red or walla walla
    fresh tomatoes that are on the bruised side
    splash of vinegar
    salt- lots
    pepper- lots
    cayenne- adequate amount

    the tomatoes are not super chunky, but are not chopped super small, either.

    if you don't like the chunky salsa, here's another good salsa that i make sometimes, i learned it from this mexican chick named tina who is part of the Trachtenberg Family Players, a band in Seattle. Their drummer is their seven year old daughter Rachel, and they show perverse slides of families that aren't always their own while they play their music. Anyhow,

    put in oven on broil:
    halved tomaters
    halved onions, sweet or white
    halved jalapenos with seeds removed
    other peppers, if you wish
    halved tomatillos, if you wish
    several cloves of garlic

    cook until the skins are about to turn black. throw in a blender, add salt and pepper, and cayenne if you wish,add fresh chopped cilantro, serve hot or cold.

    fuckin a good.


By patrick on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 01:29 pm:

    i love cilantro.


    i made tacos this weekend.


    and i usually chop an onion and mix with an entire bunch of cilantro, that has been chopped. sorta of like a relish. i put it on everything.


By spunky on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 01:31 pm:

    I hate cliantro. Nasty shit


By spunky on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 01:32 pm:

    cilantro


By J on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 01:41 pm:

    I have to agree with Dougie about salsa,if it's not chunky,then it might as well be sauce.Salsa with roasted habaneros,mmm.


By Nate on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 02:23 pm:

    salsa is sauce.


By patrick on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 02:29 pm:

    the texture of chunky salsa is nasty.


By Dougie on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 02:46 pm:

    No dude, that's great part about it, the contrast of textures. Cold, chunky salsa, warm salty nachos, icy margaritas with salt. Damn, I know where I'm going Friday night. Gonzales y Gonzales down in the village.


By wisper on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 02:48 pm:

    i'm with patrick. Just gimme the salsa juice, chunks are too much.

    the overpower the delicate flavour of the tortilla chip. If that is indeed what you're putting them on.


By Dougie on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 02:49 pm:

    Nacho wussies...


By patrick on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 02:56 pm:

    i prefer flavors to textures.


By AGATHA on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 03:42 pm:

    I LIKE IT BOTH WAYS.


By spunky on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 03:55 pm:

    I like it both ways too.
    Chucky Salsa
    Picante
    Sauce
    It's all good
    As long as the chips are not stale.
    I hate going to resteraunts where the chips are hot but stale. And they must be stalted


By droopy on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 04:03 pm:

    in mexico it's all chunks, pretty much. the concept of hard tortilla chips and goopy salsa for dipping is pretty much an american adaptation. when i go to a taqueria on 8th ave., i get a taco made out of a soft, fresh-made corn tortilla with shredded pork and chunky, ungoopy salsa on top.

    pinche gringos.


By dave. on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 04:07 pm:

    runny salsa is picante.


By droopy on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 04:11 pm:

    i dunno. it's "salsa" on the menu.


By Dougie on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 04:23 pm:

    MMM, Chucky Salsa on stalted chips.


By Tawny kitaen on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 04:35 pm:

    I want to make chile mint lime sauce. fruit salsas. and stuff. i just came back from lunch and i am hungry again. you fuckers.


By Our gang on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 04:39 pm:

    dave's not refusing to meet me, is he?


By Nate on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 05:16 pm:

    picante is hot.


By cyst on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 05:18 pm:

    some like it hot,
    some like it cold,
    some like it in the pot,
    nine days old.


By agatha on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 05:23 pm:

    no, hunny. he wants to meet you.


By patrick on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 05:46 pm:

    i made tacos this weekend.

    though i was looking for those silverdollar corn tortillas, i had to settle for something slightly bigger which is problem because they break easier. its hard to maintain the beef/tortilla ratio the bigger the tortilla.

    i didnt use salsa, i used tapatio.


By cyst on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 05:58 pm:

    tapatio means man from guadalajara.


By patrick on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 06:00 pm:

    yeah, theres a man with a bitchin sombrero on the label.


    his sauce is bad ass.


By Nate on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 06:14 pm:

    too much of his sauce is bad ass, too.

    screamin!


By cyst on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 06:50 pm:

    I sent nate hot sauce in the mail. I hope the jar doesn't break.


By Cat on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 06:57 pm:

    Man sauce is bad.



    (\catholic schoolgirl mode)


By sarah on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 07:00 pm:


    people generally either absolutely love or absolutely loathe cilantro.

    last night for supper i made cilantro and lime soup:

    (y'all have missed my recipes, ADMIT IT!)

    Cilantro and Lime Soup

    Ingredients:
    two medium sized chicken breasts
    2 tea celery salt and ground black pepper
    1 bunch fresh cilantro
    4-6 fresh limes
    2 fresh tomatoes, seeded and diced
    1 yellow onion, diced
    1 clove garlic, crushed
    3 celery stalks
    2 jalapeno peppers, seeded and diced
    1-2 tea crushed red pepper
    4 15oz cans chicken broth (or the equivalent thereof)

    Directions:
    dice the chicken breasts up into one-inch cubes or so. saute in olive oil with celery salt and pepper until cooked.

    in a big soup pot, saute onion, garlic, and jalapeno for 5 minutes on medium high heat. add celery and cook for another 5 minutes. add in chicken, tomaotes, crushed red pepper, chicken broth, and the juice from the limes to taste. it will vary depending on how juicy your limes are or how tart you want the soup to taste. bring to a boil, reduce to very low simmer. add in chopped cilantro and keep warm for 20 minutes before serving. you can serve it with thin slices of lime floating on top, which is a nice touch.

    * for the freaky vegetarians/vegans, you also can substitute baked tofu for chicken and vegetable broth for chicken broth.


    (back to job hunting...)



By agatha on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 07:08 pm:

    i totally missed your recipes. in fact, i might just make that tonight. i have all the ingredients.


By patrick on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 07:27 pm:

    holy cow thats sounds good.


By pez on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 02:02 am:

    that'd be easy to convert to vegan....


    $11 an hour? i wish. try $8.15, before taxes and union.

    my parents have continued to offer their support for my education, but the strings attached to that money are too much to take.

    they do pay for insurance on my car, but the renewal on the thing came out of my pocket. i pay for all gas.





    next week i'm looking for another job. i don't get very many hours at the one i have and somehow fucked up my knee last night so i don't feel like climbing the racks anymore.


By J on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 01:56 pm:

    I have missed your recipes Sarah and see that you have a new e-mail address that means you probably didn't get a recipe I sent you,Droopy must have a new e-mail address too,it should be mandatory to post all new e-mail address.


By Cat on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 04:20 pm:

    Yeah Sarah, I don't care if you're moving states and changing lives and taking a step into the wide blue yonder of love, we still have to be entertained by your special blend. You're so selfish.

    More recipes, more stories, more nakey pics.






    Ok *some* nakey pics then.


By Nate on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 04:53 pm:

    i have a nakey pic in a publicly accessible place.

    i can't figure out if no one knows this, or no one cares.



By J on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 04:57 pm:

    I care,where are they? Were you the guy on Nerve called fatass or something like that,cause I know it's all about ass.


By Nate on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 05:24 pm:

    not fatass.

    my locale is santa clara, ca.


By Cat on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 05:29 pm:

    I know.

    Nice turtleneck*.








    (*that was a joke and no one should go getting all jealous or anything)


By TBone on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 05:48 pm:

    We should all talk about nate's penis to make him feel better.


By pez on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 05:53 pm:

    what? that little thing again?


By Nate on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 06:05 pm:

    thanks, cat. my dad says i got the "sunroof model".

    and pez, you obviously haven't seen the picture, because my cock is bigger than my fucking head.

    AHAHAH! FUCKOS!

    ok.

    thanks for talking about my penis. i feel better now.


By patrick on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 06:07 pm:

    i saw it.

    and i told nate privately it was a very aggressive wang picture.


    i also told him i was proud.

    what good is the internet if people won't show their bits for all to see.


By J on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 07:07 pm:

    Now I AM pissed,I showed mine!!!!!


By patrick on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 07:10 pm:

    where?


By Nate on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 08:10 pm:

    yeah, where?

    shaneghatts, j.

    nerve.com personals.


By Czarina on Wednesday, August 1, 2001 - 01:15 am:

    Whats that fuzzy,lint like stuff on the end of your dick?


By J on Wednesday, August 1, 2001 - 02:00 am:

    I'm still standing.


By Nate on Wednesday, August 1, 2001 - 12:18 pm:

    i think there is a wierdness around my cock from the use of photoshop to blur out the background.

    the background being everything but my cock.

    i'm glad you're still standing, j.


By J on Wednesday, August 1, 2001 - 12:18 pm:

    Cracked me up,you crazy.


By semillama on Monday, August 6, 2001 - 01:54 pm:

    So, anyone get plane tickets yet? Any word on places to crash?

    I've got a priceline bid out now for $150, travelocity is giving me $250 for a ticket.

    SO?


By semillama on Monday, August 6, 2001 - 02:05 pm:

    I got the priceline bid, you all can't back out now.

    I arrive at the NOLA Int'l Airport Friday, Oct. 19, 9pm. I plan on taking a taxi to the Quarter or where ever folks are going to be.
    I depart 7:53am Sunday morning.

    So, then. we have about 11 weeks to prepare.


By Antigone on Monday, August 6, 2001 - 02:12 pm:

    I'm going to go down in late September to scope out a place. I'm probably going to be there on the weekend of September 28th, if anyone wants to help me look.


By semillama on Monday, August 6, 2001 - 02:57 pm:

    I would figure on Czarina wanting to. Sarah doesn't live so far away, and she's one of the main instigators of this, so maybe she could go too.

    I love voluntering people for things.


By Jim aka Pajama on Tuesday, August 7, 2001 - 09:39 am:

    ok so oddly I thought I wouldn't see Nate's cock until New Orleans. now it'll be kinda anticlimactic I guess. As for a glimpse of my nether regions... same nerve.com... the nic u look for is... GASP... JimAkaPajama... I know... unoriginal. you have to decide if it's my left or right nip.

    heh.

    I am most likely going to be driving down to NOLA with Kali, and will be bunking with Dani.


By semillama on Tuesday, August 7, 2001 - 09:42 am:

    Solid, pops.


By bell_jar on Tuesday, August 7, 2001 - 10:23 am:

    so is there really a sorabjifest?

    i know i haven't been around for a while, but uhh... can i come?



By Hal on Tuesday, August 7, 2001 - 10:58 am:

    Hell YEAH in a bottle!

    Of course you can, I feel quite a bit ashamed to have not though about you and gotten you one of the first 10 emails...
    You are more then invited, its in part your party.


By semillama on Tuesday, August 7, 2001 - 12:13 pm:

    Everyone's invited. October 19-21, NOLA.


By pez on Tuesday, August 7, 2001 - 02:43 pm:

    sorabjifest should have a code name. i think nola would work, and besides it makes me feel like a secret agent.


By bell_jar on Tuesday, August 7, 2001 - 03:25 pm:

    are people staying in any particular place? i'm too poor to afford a hotel/motel, so if anyone has a floor...

    i may just stay in a hostel.


By Antigone on Tuesday, August 7, 2001 - 03:47 pm:


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