Are you a prisoner in Plato's cave? Who are you?: Are you a prisoner in Plato's cave?

By spunkydingo on Monday, April 14, 2003 - 11:06 am:

    Plato, Greek Philosopher, (427B.C. - 347 B.C.)
    "Imagine men and women living as prisoners in an underground cave. These people have been here since birth, their bodies chained so that they cannot move. They can see only what is in front of them and can see no other prisoners.

    "Behind the prisoners is a series of fires. Between the prisoners and the fires is a screen, like that at a puppet show. Behind this are people carrying various artificial objects, such as the figures of men and animals. The prisoners see nothing but the shadows of the objects cast by the firelight onto the cave wall in front of them. The cave has an echo so that the when the people in back of them speak the prisoners believe the sounds come from the shadow figures on the cave wall.
    "Suppose one of the prisoners became free from his chains. The firelight would be painful to his eyes and the objects in back of him would so terrify him that he might desire to regain his former chained situation.
    "If this free person actually crept out of the cave into the sunlight, he would be completely dazed, unable to comprehend ordinary objects. Slowly this former prisoner might begin to understand that it is the sun which is the source of light and life. He would feel sorrow for his former fellow prisoners. If he did return to his chains and speak to his fellow prisoners, they would think he was insane. And if they could lay hands on him they would kill him."

By Antigone on Monday, April 14, 2003 - 11:19 pm:

    You're asking us if WE are prisoners in Plato's cave?

    That's rich. I've essentially been asking you the same question since you started posting here.

    I've been showing you the flame all this time, but you've refused to see it.

By trace on Monday, April 14, 2003 - 11:22 pm:

    I am wondering if any of us understands the chains that bind us?
    The United States Federal Government is not the only one who puts chains on you or blinders.

By Antigone on Monday, April 14, 2003 - 11:30 pm:

    Of course not.

    That's why one must always question.

    Even question the need to question, when there is a need to act.

    Anyone who asks you to stop questioning (or demands it) has chains they want to put on you.

By eri on Monday, April 14, 2003 - 00:03 pm:

    OMG you two are having a civil, meaningful conversation!!!!! Will wonders never cease!

By Antigone on Monday, April 14, 2003 - 01:58 pm:

    Don't be fooled. It's merely an illusion.

By spunkyDingo on Monday, April 14, 2003 - 02:02 pm:

    Yes, honey. tiggy has made it his goal to be opposite me regardless.

By Antigone on Monday, April 14, 2003 - 02:31 pm:

    Uhhh...that's never been my goal.

By spunkyDingo on Monday, April 14, 2003 - 02:48 pm:

    that has been your accomplishment.
    See, you are still doing it.

By Antigone on Monday, April 14, 2003 - 02:50 pm:

    Cute and trite, but wrong.

    Keep dancing with them shadows, spunk.

By spunkyDingo on Monday, April 14, 2003 - 02:59 pm:


By Spider on Monday, April 14, 2003 - 03:34 pm:

    When I made a shadow on my window shade
    They called the police and testified
    But they're like the people chained up in the cave
    In the allegory of the people in the cave by the Greek guy

    No one understands
    No one knows my plan
    Why the dancing, shouting
    Why the shrieks of pain
    The lovely music
    Why the smell of burning autumn leaves

    In my prison cell I bide my time
    Always thinking, always busy cooking up an angle
    Working on the tiny blueprint of the angle
    Sketching out the burning autumn leaves

    No one understands
    No one knows my plan
    I must be silent, must contain my secret smile
    I want to tell you, you my mirror, you my iron bars

    No one understands
    No one knows my plan

    --They Might Be Giants

By wisper on Monday, April 14, 2003 - 06:27 pm:

    wow spunky, you're just full of sunshine today

By Nate on Monday, April 14, 2003 - 07:42 pm:

    you know, plato's cave is a metaphor for asssex.

By Ophelia on Tuesday, April 15, 2003 - 11:56 pm:

    ah. i love this place. everyone is so crazy in their measured, specific ways! i think i'm leaving for a few weeks, maybe for the summer (though i'll probably be back and check in before that) but just want to say i'll sincerely miss you all, miss mark, miss the way the boards look, and miss the insanity. its very real. but i'm going to be busy making my own illusions in the other world (which, being academia --and especially the theater department--, is just as virtual at times). A few days ago i was thinking of leaving for good, which i wont do. but i do need a break. so i'll see you all later! have fun! and lots of ass fucking! you always do.

By semillama on Tuesday, April 15, 2003 - 00:02 pm:

By wisper on Tuesday, April 15, 2003 - 05:46 pm:

    that changed my life.

    darnnit. That and StrongBad just depres me.
    Why does Flash have to be such a bitch? I could be making cartoons every damn day if it wasn't so evil. It's the worst program i've ever learned.
    Fuck you Flash.
    Fuck you right in the ear.

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