I'm on the town bus to a friends house when it stops at a traffic light in front of a sandwich shop whose front window says (in huge day-glo fast food letters): VEAL SALAMI STEAK SEAFOOD VEGGI and I glance at it and ponder how goddamn sick and cruel I think veal is, and in the blink of an eye something snaps in my head, something I've been fighting with for a few months now. I'll never eat meat again. It's sick. Up until the moment on the bus I had been struggling with giving up only two things (shrimp and bacon...*lol*) but at that moment I suddenly did not care anymore. Fuck it. I don't care if I never eat bacon again. And shrimp...well....I'll have to say goodbye to shrimp. I'm over it. I don't want to eat dead animals ever again. help me. any tips? food hints? threats? I'm going to do this gradually......

Don't be too strict with yourself. You'll go crazy. Welcome back to the warm glow of our love.

just don't eat it anymore. it's really easy.

easiest thing to do is stop eating completely

wisper, if we ever go out to a restaurant together, I will gladly eat all your shrimp. I'd do anything to help my broad-minded friends with their vegetarian lifestyle choices.

oh man, shrimp wrapped in bacon and fried. oh jesus, that's good. here's your rationale: if your vegitarian you'll probably be eating more vegetables and fruits and things, which means your insect consumption will actually rise. Since it is probably acceptable to eat an insect, you might as well clear yourself for anything with an exoskeleton. so shrimp are parve. or not, but i find it is always good to rationalize the things you enjoy so that they fit within your moral schema.

meat eaters anonymous anyone? Step 1: Recognized that I was powerless over hamburger and that my life had become unmanageable. Step 2: Came to believe that a power greater than myself would be needed to remove meat from my life. Step 3: Made a decision to turn my will and my life over to the care of the Green Giant. Etc., etc., etc.... Giant - grant me the serenity to eat green peas the courage avoid meat products and the wisdom to know the difference.

The Libertarian Party Motto: "it is always good to rationalize the things you enjoy so that they fit within your moral schema" ehhh i'm just giving you shit, boy. 'tis the season. wisper, i was veggie for 6 years. straight up. it almost killed me. so be careful, make sure you're getting enough protein. don't overdo it with the pasta and rice. have you decided on things like milk, eggs, cheese, and yogurt?

yeah sarah my wife was veggie for 6-7 years too, she got bruised when it rained, she lacked protein and iron, now she eats chicken breast like it's going outta of style....

sarah: you make my laugh. beans, tofu, tempeh. dark green veggies. spinach. brocolli. rennet free cheese. when i was vegitarian i ate a lot of bean and cheese burritos, and mostly satisfied my hunger with quarts of king cobra. i lost a lot of weight, too. became skinny and sickly. then i read the bible and decided that vegitarianism is just not god's plan.

nothing beats a ripe young filet mignon with aujus! eat hearty good christian soldiers!! denty more beef stew will substitute in the abscence of filet mignon

dinty moore? au jus, yes. i remember the days when that would get you flamed.

yes, i see you are aware of it...... or Campbells Chunky Sirloin Burger soup. It's amazing, it's a soup that eats like a meal!!! I only know Dinty moore because David recommended it.

i was channeling jesus christ last night during supper. ask my dad, he'll confirm. we were eating pork chops.

was jesus getting pissed? "hey you fuckos! you ever hear of kashrut!? the body is a temple! THE BODY IS A FUCKING TEMPLE!"

Ted Nugent sells a bumper sticker in his catalogue that says 'I love animals - they're delicious!' His son is also quoted as saying "God made animals for us to eat" If the Nuge says it it must be true I'm zone diet all the way

oddly enough, i'm a distant relative of the Nuge. if god didn't want us to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat? that's my fav. ahahh. i just like the taste of a good bloody porterhouse.

"oddly" INDEED man, you never cease to amaze me... FUCK!

yer the man Nate, the bug thing sounds like a good plan. Up until that I was trying to justify a reason why shrimp are evil, and therefore deserve to die. Damn demon shrimp.

Careful with bugs. According to Leviticus, only crickets, grasshoppers, katydids and locusts are kosher. Makes sense, sorta. When you've got a plague of locusts eating your crops, there ain't too many other options. On the other hand, in a strict sense, raspberries are not kosher, cuz you can't guarantee them to be bug free. Go figure. I'm no relation to the Nuge, but I've partied with Ethan Hawke's brother in l

I'm going to see the Nuge play Jan.31. If I see him, I'll tell him you said hi, Nate.

I'm going to see the Nuge play Jan.31. If I see him, I'll tell him you said hi, Nate.

How are you related to the Nuge? Does he come to holidays with you? Please lie and tell me you got his name in the holiday draw and had to buy him a gift. This is the kind of lying I could like.

romf. ask him how he's doing with the bowhunting.

I'll try to pick up some of his patented jerky for everyone. Unless I get skewered by a flaming arrow first. and that's assuming Creed doesn't cause my head to explode first. I'm going to were this great white trash t-shirt to the show. My friend sent it to me and it shows a cartoon of wrassler and points out identifying marks. It's gloriously stupid.

I have a whol bunch of his jerky here in my office. It was holiday gifts last year. It's still good this year. Please call for his catalogue. It is totally scary 1-800-343-HUNT This is not a joke!

What's a nuge? tomorow night Holly Cole is going to be on TV singing Tom Waits songs. I think that's really interesting. A little while ago, I only knew the guys name from you all, and now he's being shoved in my face everytime I turn around. I love Holly Cole.

short for Ted NUGEnt, the "rockstar" and avid hunter

DIE WHITETRASH BOY!!!

YEAH! DIE WHITETRASH BOY! whoops. Turrets, i think. Anyway, Gee... if you look deeply you'll find that a lot of big hits were Tom Waits songs first. maybe not a lot, but a few. some, at least. OK... so "Downtown Train" is the only one i can think of off the top of my head. But goddamnit I know there are others or i wouldn't have said anything. are you white trash, Gee? i hate white people.

I hate taking out the trash. Does that make us even?

i don't think anyone on sorabji is even.

far from it you goose stepping bastard

odd then?

definitely.

I just had this image of Nate, on my old college campus, trying to stomp on the geese there and failing badly. I used to enjoy watching teh geese attack people who were late for class and cut across the lawns too close to a clutch of goslings ( is clutch the right word here? Or is gaggle more appropriate? I could use your expertise Sheila).

I don't think I know that song, "Downtown Train". I started to watch the Holly Cole special tonight but then my mother came along and said "Are you going to watch that movie?" meaning "Miracle on 34th Street" and I couldn't say no. So I didn't get to see the special. I hope they show it again sometime soon. I think I'm a little bit of trash. I have delusions of being sort of polished (my friend ren says I'm "proper") but I'm woefully trashy. When I got out of the shower this evening I was Sure I could still see tan lines from the summer. Is that weird?

Rod Stewart? "Downtown Train"? hm what's wierd is that you shower in the evening.

I've had lots of epiphanies. Lots of "I HAVE THE SOLUTION!!" moments that result in me planning the rest of my life around whatever principle has been revealed to me at that time. Trouble is, I'm too lazy to put them into practice. Any time I think "I only have to do [x] (or not do [x]) for the rest of my life," I immediately get overwhelmed with the "for the rest of my life" part and give up. Good thing I don't smoke or anything like that. I hate the thought of having to give up something I like FOREVER. There's too much yummy meat lying around to seriously think about giving it up FOREVER. I hope you've come to your senses, Wisper. PS. Tom Waits is my hero. Have I already said that?

no way man, it's gross. milk, cheese and that stuff can stay though, it's not dead. I hate milk anyway. I'm still torn on wether or not to eat jello, though.

gee - do you chew gum? when I was growing up, my mother used to tell me that gum chewing was "common."

I like gum. Not so much for the flavour but I really like the chewing action. Please don't anyone take this the wrong way, but I like putting things in my mouth. I chew on pens, suck on lollypops, and when I'm drinking I often take a sip and hold it in my mouth for a long time before I swallow. I do this with practically Every sip, unless I'm really thirsty. I also really like blowing bubbles. That's why I keep the gum long after the taste has gone. Showering in the evening isn't so weird. There are four adults living in a house with one washroom, and everyone can't shower in the morning. We'd all be late. So I wash my hair at night and then get the rest of me clean in the morning. Plus I hate using hair dryers, so if I wash my hair at night I can let it dry naturally because I'm not on a deadline. My friend Marc showers at night, too, so I can't be that weird.

I usually shower at night, because I would rather have the extra time in bed in the morning. Wisper - You prefer the living over the dead then in your diet? (a little, bad joke)

The sound of the hair dryer is one of my favorite sounds. I don't know why. Listening to it will put me to sleep, which is a bad thing since I shower in the morning. I shower in the morning because it is the only way I can wake up. Gee, I'm like you with the mouth thing. I chew gum and fingernails and fingers and a strand of hair and even my lower lip if nothing else is around. I wonder if you're like me and you cover your mouth when you want to hide something, too.

i, uh. oh nevermind.

I don't know if I'm trying to hide something, but I rest my chin in my hand a Lot and cover my mouth with my hand. I think I usually do this when I'm trying to concentrate. When I get nervous I twiddle my fingers around each other, and push my hair away from my face. I'm sharing.

Gee, I do much the same thing when I am thinking. I also tap out rhythms from songs that are going through my head. It annoys the hell out of some folks. My borther is currently scooting around on one of those computer chairs. I am going to steal it from him right now.

i have the inherent drummer tick, tapping incessantly, I can make a millions sounds from a pen and a few books. I too, annoy the hell out of some folks that way, but most of the time i don't even realizee it. oh and sometimes i tap my teeth in rhythmic formations as well, my back teeth being the low and my front being the high.....

I think this is weird: I cover my face when I cry. That's not the weird part. The weird part is that I do it because I make really ugly disgusting distorted faces when I'm crying and I don't want anyone to see. It's weird that even when I'm weeping buckets and feeling like so much crap, there's still a part of me that's worried about how I look.

Me too. I also cover my face when I laugh for the same reason. At Christmas dinner, my brother and I caused a scene at the table when we laughed too hard. My dad was at the head and we were on either side of him. My brother called my dad Papa Orsetto, which means Papa Little Bear in Italian, and for some reason we thought that was hilarious, and we laughed so hard we were crying and doubled over our plates. We both covered our faces with our napkins while we laughed, too, as we are both oddly self-conscious like that. We must have looked a sight.