THIS IS A READ-ONLY ARCHIVE FROM THE SORABJI.COM MESSAGE BOARDS (1995-2016). |
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By A very angry Wisper on Wednesday, February 18, 1998 - 03:54 pm: |
I recently, by chance, saw your report on occultism in schools. It scared me. This was not because of the story itself, but because I could not (and still can't) imagine that people in our modern world, educated people such as yourselves, still fear these things. Being a student myself, none of the things you reported succeeded to shock or even to make me blink an eye. The only shocking thing is your apparent ignorance. Exactly how naive do you think your children are? First, let me stress the fact that Wicca -witchcraft- is a religion, and just as every other religion, deserves to be studied and understood as a part of our world's history. You say it is anti-catholisism, but this is only because it is NOT Catholicism. The grade 12 religion program (in my area, anyway)is dedicated entirely to the study of other religions, is this wrong and dangerous too? in your eyes it seems to be. I believe that the study of other faiths is enlightening, enriching and very important for any person. The ceremonies you described in your program, such as fortune telling, cemetery rituals, etc....are all tradition for other faiths and cultures, and it is down right prejudice to say that they are negative or dangerous in any way. I'm sure some cultures would find the idea of a man being nailed to a cross quite disturbing. What if kids started doing that?! your logic is quite astounding! Secondly, Magic cards are played as a GAME, and only a GAME, the only people who take the "demonic messages" seriously are paranoid adults and children who are obviously unstable to begin with. Those who participate in such mania as killing animals or even other children clearly have much greater problems than the fact that they play with cards, don't you think? And astrology is a science that has been practiced since the beginning of time, even before the days of Jesus, and to some people it is just as sacred. After watching your report, I can't help but be reminded that if we do not teach children to understand things like witchcraft, history will be doomed to repeat itself. Remember that the people who participated in witch burning so long ago, the people responsible for the deaths of hundreds of innocent men and women of God, were 'intelligent' christians just like you. They were fed by the same ignorance. What are you afraid of? *(no response from them yet..........)* |
By Me again on Wednesday, February 18, 1998 - 03:56 pm: |
oh well, not important. |
By Golden Boy on Thursday, February 19, 1998 - 09:10 am: |
The three wisemen were astrologers...the followed a star gaze to the newborn baby Yahweh. Angry whisper has proved a beautiful point...i luv it... Hey, angry whisper, you say you studied religion for a bit something about 12th year...what are studying about it et al... til then, watch out for kids who play with hammer, nails, and large two by fours... |
By Jen on Monday, March 2, 1998 - 04:48 pm: |
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By Jesus Christ Your Lord on Monday, March 2, 1998 - 09:29 pm: |
Christianity (in the organized sense) is an evil scar upon the earth. It is nothing like what I meant when I tried to teach this stupid population to love each other. But I love you all anyway, even if you are stupid, pathetic, biggoted, homophobic, intolerant and freakishly single minded. Actually, I'm kind of pissed off. If you guys can't all learn to get along I'm going to pull this car over right now and shine your bottoms infront of everyone who passes by. |
By Just Visitor on Tuesday, March 3, 1998 - 01:14 am: |
Think marketing. God, I'm tired. |
By Dave on Tuesday, March 3, 1998 - 01:49 am: |
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By Just Visitor on Tuesday, March 3, 1998 - 03:20 am: |
Chachi: "No, not really." Joanie: "And did you ever notice that Pisces was dominant in the Zodiac at that point in history?" Chachi: "You're saying the early Christians were connected to astrology?" Joanie: "Chachi?" Chachi: "Yes, Joanie?" Joanie: "Is Chachi your first or last name?" Chachi: "Indeed..... indeed." |
By Jennifer on Tuesday, March 3, 1998 - 10:05 am: |
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By Christopher on Tuesday, March 3, 1998 - 03:18 pm: |
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By Pete on Wednesday, March 4, 1998 - 08:34 am: |
And who pays $1300 for a 1 bedroom? I hope you get utilities with that. And maybe an order of fries... |
By R.C. on Wednesday, March 4, 1998 - 12:50 pm: |
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By Christopher on Wednesday, March 4, 1998 - 01:34 pm: |
On the plus side--I DO have a pretty nice view, and my neighbors are quiet. On the down side-- It's $1300 a month!!! I'm just in it for the money folks. As soon as I harvest my big pile of cash from Silicon Valley, I'm outta here. I would love to stay, but $600,000 for a ramshackle 2 bedroom house is a little rich for my blood. In fact, I haven't discounted leaving the States altogether and heading for Hungary. There are a few U.S. Multimedia companies over there and a boy with my skills...Well, I should do just fine. Then again, I don't know if I could hack living outside the states. The economy is wild right now. Time to make our nest eggs. The future is the future. Who knows what the hell I'll do next. |
By Wisper on Wednesday, March 4, 1998 - 08:56 pm: |
Golden Boy: as I mentioned, gr.12 religion class (which I am fourced to take b/c catholic school) is all about other big religions, so I've studied *please excuse the spelling* Buhdism, Taoism, Judaeism, Islam, Christianity, Zoroastrianism and Hindu. By myself (when I'm bored) I've also studied Mormons, Wicca and Satanism, which are all very facinating. Me? I'm an athiest. Jesus: good point! and very funny too. I always try to explain to my religion teachers that Jesus never said anything about being worshipped, he just wanted people to be nice! nor did he say he was the son of god, (so who made that up???) but then again, we're all supposed to be "his", aren't we? But religion teachers are never up for disscusion, I definetly think the board of education keeps them form that. They can't be THAT conditioned, can they? no-one can. I hope. Although my years at catholic schools have shown me more frightening things than I ever thought possible...... And finally, what was I doing watching the 700 club? I was channel surfing when I passed by a box of Tarot cards on the screen that were exactly like mine, and someone's voice going: evil....EVIL.....eeeeEEEEeeeeeevil!!!!! or something like that. So I watched. And learned. And threw stuff at the screen. |
By R.C. on Wednesday, March 4, 1998 - 11:26 pm: |
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By Sugarbaby on Thursday, March 19, 1998 - 01:18 am: |
Now, before you get you undies in a bind, let me tell you my plan-Im here in good ol' ND, Im going to college to be an OTA, and well, I need to get the hell out of here! I know you might think that Im a complete psyco for doing this over the internet but hey, you never know! Anyway, let me tell you a little bit about myself. Im 19, grew up on a farm, moved to Boston and lived there for over a year and here I am, back home going to school! Im really easy to get along with, I have a really good sense of humor, Im pretty organized and neat, I love to go out and have a good time, as far a partying I am the "Queen of Good Times"! Thats just the icing on the cake, if you like what you see, send me e-mail at allmensuk@yahoo.com Oh, I was in a cult, so I have really good stories to tell you!!!! (Dont worry, Im out of it now, as a matter of fact Im out of religion completly) Thats anoter story for another time. |
By Crystal on Thursday, March 19, 1998 - 02:04 am: |
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By Christopher on Thursday, March 19, 1998 - 12:48 pm: |
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By Sugarbaby on Thursday, March 19, 1998 - 01:36 pm: |
Chris, You know, your soooo right!!!! I am laughing so hard right now!!!!! I told myself that that has to be the cheesest message anyone can write!!! I am sorry that I freaked you out, Im not as wierd as you might think! Well, maybe, it depends on what your point of view is. And whats wrong with moving to SF? OK, Im sure there might be some down falls, like crime, smog, and your occasional earthquake! But thats more interesting then -50 weather!!! Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. And I wasnt planning on dropping out of school!!! I just wanted to change locations!!! And no! Im not going to change my e-address!! I get off on weird people! The weirder the better!! And dont judge me by that statement. You cant tell me that Americans today LOVE bloody gory wierd things! Id give you examples but Im just not in the mood to. Anyway, my search continues!!! Wish me luck!! |
By Christopher on Thursday, March 19, 1998 - 06:07 pm: |
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By Sugarbaby on Thursday, March 19, 1998 - 07:17 pm: |
If I may ask, why are you living there if the conditions are so bad? I hope that you understand that my attempt to find a roommate on the internet was not at all taken seriously! It was just ment for fun! Off the record tho, Im wondering just what type of life you live. I know its none of my busness and in no way do you have to answer that question, so far all I know is that your some kind of computer nerd(which isnt all that bad, is it?)and your really old! Not that old, but you know old enough to do coke in the 80's! I hope that Im not screwing up your life with someone else! If I am please take no offense! Untill next time! |
By Venatrix Mirjen on Thursday, March 19, 1998 - 07:29 pm: |
Try explaining LaVey's Satanism to someone. it's atheism with ceremonial magic thrown in and its name was chosen to shock people. Hard to explain. Harder to keep people within a few feet whilst explaining. Always getting confused with devil worshipping weirdos and 'white witches' of all kinds. Sigh. |
By Christopher on Thursday, March 19, 1998 - 07:35 pm: |
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By Christopher on Thursday, March 19, 1998 - 07:44 pm: |
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By Slacker on Thursday, March 19, 1998 - 10:17 pm: |
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By Dave on Friday, March 20, 1998 - 12:49 am: |
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By Slacker on Friday, March 20, 1998 - 12:55 am: |
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By Bill W. on Friday, March 20, 1998 - 03:44 am: |
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By Venatrix Mirjen on Friday, March 20, 1998 - 08:39 pm: |
I know LaVey is dead. It's upsetting, but don't get me wrong; I don't consider him the highest form of life. (my job). Oh, and at the risk of my life, i'd have to agree wholeheartedly with your modifying adjective preceeding 'Setians'. They're the ones really giving Satanism a bad name. |
Oh, Jee-ee-zus! It was a joke! I wouldn't mention it, but your attitude seems to be "Look at me, I'm a Satanist." The only reason I have any respect for Anton LaVey is because he carried off one of the largest practical jokes in modern history. Started a whole religion and people got into it. (I personally, periodically enjoy reworking Luciferianism to my own ends from time to time, but I don't think LaVey is the way to go in order to do that) Anyway, how do you reconcile Satanism (which is about personal freedom) with being a narc. That's just wrong no matter how you look at it. Check out the Crowley-heads; most of them are equally silly, but they have better parties. Anyway, Christopher, guess what. SF is now the single highest rent area on the planet. Since the rent controls went, we beat out Hong Kong last year (I personally prefer the South Bay, it's cheaper.) |
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i miss christopher, too. |
That had recently occurred to me, b/c I ran into somebody from Melvourne, Australia, who, it turned out, knew somebody else, who was from Perth, Australia, with whom I had had a bit of a debate a few years ago, on the subject of a hypothetical dead nun. Oh, yeah, that's it. I just remembered just now. Something about Lizzie Borden or something. |
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Astrology a science? Come on, now. IT's a nifty parlor game, but science it is not. Astrology is incapable of accomadating new astronomical information, such as when astronomers discovered that in astrological terms, there's a whole other constellation of stars that the sun "passes" through, Ophiacus (sp?) that moves all the dates associated with signs around and screws it all up. Besides, I have a damn hard time accepting that playing connect the dots with random stars has any influence on human life. Sorry, astrology buffs. |
What can you tell me about this 13th star sign??? |
which is odd, since I sis the same search back when this first came up, and there were many pages... |
Where's my medal? |
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kelsey is: gleaming. kelsey_girl@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Cafe/4761/ Wow. That was seven years ago. |
8/19/97, 7:55 PM kelsey procrastinating.procrastinating.procrastinating.thinking i'd like a donut.shifting positions and procrastinati;ng a little bit more. kelsey_girl@hotmail.com still nope. 8/22/97, 3:25 PM kelsey i'm deciding what to buy for my nephew for his birthday, and listening to john spencer blues explosion. i think. or, maybe i'm just typing on this leedle page. kelsey_girl@hotmail.com Nonapplicable 9/9/97, 10:13 PM kelsey listening to the new mick harvey album. congratulating mark thomas on his impending move, hoping he can find some peace. welcome back, glad to hear you had a good vacation with the fab maggy. kelsey_girl@hotmail.com 9/21/97, 0:16 AM kelsey watching my girl twirl in a black tutu. eating goodn'plenty. chillin on a saturday night. kelsey_girl@hotmail.com |
Agatha! I got a job in Emory's Special Collections/Archive as a manuscript processing assistant. |
My first official posts here from 96 or 97 have been lost. There used to be more threads in the "what have you done?" category, i don't know what happened to them, they were gone after a server crash or something. It was there. And fuck if I'm searching the old site for me. I wouldn't know where to begin. |
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://bbs.sorabji.com/livewire/stalk/messages/* (copy and paste the whole thing.) |
sorabji.com: Is it art?: yes, yes it is. By Kelsey on Saturday, November 22, 1997 - 12:07 am: according to r. mutt, it is most definitely art. i am the first person to post in here, too. i rule. |
I was such a dork in the early days. in a few years will I look back at the 2005 Gee and go "God, what a loser." ? sadly, probably. |
You like that one, Jack? I'm always embarrassed when I see things I wrote, even if they were a month ago. Luckily, I don't usually look at them too often or I would never write anything here at all. |
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i sparked on that one because of your enthusiasm for the (then) new format. boo-ya. |
Congrats, Kazu. |
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