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The leak now under Justice Department investigation is described by former Ambassador Wilson and critics of President Bush's Iraq policy as a reprehensible effort to silence them. To protect my own integrity and credibility, I would like to stress three points. First, I did not receive a planned leak. Second, the CIA never warned me that the disclosure of Wilson's wife working at the agency would endanger her or anybody else. Third, it was not much of a secret. The current Justice investigation stems from a routine, mandated probe of all CIA leaks, but follows weeks of agitation. Wilson, after telling me in July that he would say nothing about his wife, has made investigation of the leak his life's work -- aided by the relentless Sen. Charles Schumer of New York. These efforts cannot be separated from the massive political assault on President Bush. This story began July 6 when Wilson went public and identified himself as the retired diplomat who had reported negatively to the CIA in 2002 on alleged Iraq efforts to buy uranium yellowcake from Niger. I was curious why a high-ranking official in President Bill Clinton's National Security Council (NSC) was given this assignment. Wilson had become a vocal opponent of President Bush's policies in Iraq after contributing to Al Gore in the last election cycle and John Kerry in this one. During a long conversation with a senior administration official, I asked why Wilson was assigned the mission to Niger. He said Wilson had been sent by the CIA's counterproliferation section at the suggestion of one of its employees, his wife. It was an offhand revelation from this official, who is no partisan gunslinger. When I called another official for confirmation, he said: "Oh, you know about it." The published report that somebody in the White House failed to plant this story with six reporters and finally found me as a willing pawn is simply untrue. At the CIA, the official designated to talk to me denied that Wilson's wife had inspired his selection but said she was delegated to request his help. He asked me not to use her name, saying she probably never again will be given a foreign assignment but that exposure of her name might cause "difficulties" if she travels abroad. He never suggested to me that Wilson's wife or anybody else would be endangered. If he had, I would not have used her name. I used it in the sixth paragraph of my column because it looked like the missing explanation of an otherwise incredible choice by the CIA for its mission. How big a secret was it? It was well known around Washington that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA. Republican activist Clifford May wrote Monday, in National Review Online, that he had been told of her identity by a non-government source before my column appeared and that it was common knowledge. Her name, Valerie Plame, was no secret either, appearing in Wilson's "Who's Who in America" entry. A big question is her duties at Langley. I regret that I referred to her in my column as an "operative," a word I have lavished on hack politicians for more than 40 years. While the CIA refuses to publicly define her status, the official contact says she is "covered" -- working under the guise of another agency. However, an unofficial source at the Agency says she has been an analyst, not in covert operations. The Justice Department investigation was not requested by CIA Director George Tenet. Any leak of classified information is routinely passed by the Agency to Justice, averaging one a week. This investigative request was made in July shortly after the column was published. Reported only last weekend, the request ignited anti-Bush furor. **************************************************************************************************** I know most of you, if not all, do not read Town Hall, but I wanted to bring the author os the story every democrat is having a hay day over. A 3 month old article. Much ado about nothing. PS Wilson was a retired diplomat, who sat with Niger diplomats for eight days, yacking and drinking mint tea, and then you know the rest of the story. |
By Clifford D. May National Review Online September 29, 2003 Web site It's the top story in the Washington Post this morning as well as in many other media outlets. Who leaked the fact that the wife of Joseph C. Wilson IV worked for the CIA? What also might be worth asking: "Who didn't know?" I believe I was the first to publicly question the credibility of Mr. Wilson, a retired diplomat sent to Niger to look into reports that Saddam Hussein had attempted to purchase yellowcake uranium for his nuclear-weapons program. On July 6, Mr. Wilson wrote an op-ed for the New York Times in which he said: "I have little choice but to conclude that some of the intelligence related to Iraq's nuclear weapons program was twisted to exaggerate the Iraqi threat." On July 11, I wrote a piece for NRO arguing that Mr. Wilson had no basis for that conclusion - and that his political leanings and associations (not disclosed by the Times and others journalists interviewing him) cast serious doubt on his objectivity. On July 14, Robert Novak wrote a column in the Post and other newspapers naming Mr. Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, as a CIA operative. That wasn't news to me. I had been told that - but not by anyone working in the White House. Rather, I learned it from someone who formerly worked in the government and he mentioned it in an offhanded manner, leading me to infer it was something that insiders were well aware of. I chose not to include it (I wrote a second NRO piece on this issue on July 18) because it didn't seem particularly relevant to the question of whether or not Mr. Wilson should be regarded as a disinterested professional who had done a thorough investigation into Saddam's alleged attempts to purchase uranium in Africa. What did appear relevant could easily be found in what the CIA would call "open sources." For example, Mr. Wilson had long been a bitter critic of the current administration, writing in such left-wing publications as The Nation that under President Bush, "America has entered one of it periods of historical madness" and had "imperial ambitions." What's more, he was affiliated with the pro-Saudi Middle East Institute and he had recently been the keynote speaker for the Education for Peace in Iraq Center, a far-Left group that opposed not only the U.S. military intervention in Iraq but also the sanctions and the no-fly zones that protected Iraqi Kurds and Shias from being slaughtered by Saddam. Mr. Wilson is now saying (on C-SPAN this morning, for example) that he opposed military action in Iraq because he didn't believe Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and he foresaw the possibility of a difficult occupation. In fact, prior to the U.S. invasion, Mr. Wilson told ABC's Dave Marash that if American troops were sent into Iraq, Saddam might "use a biological weapon in a battle that we might have. For example, if we're taking Baghdad or we're trying to take, in ground-to-ground, hand-to-hand combat." Equally, important and also overlooked: Mr. Wilson had no apparent background or skill as an investigator. As Mr. Wilson himself acknowledged, his so-called investigation was nothing more than "eight days drinking sweet mint tea and meeting with dozens of people" at the U.S. embassy in Niger. Based on those conversations, he concluded that "it was highly doubtful that any [sale of uranium from Niger to Iraq] had ever taken place." That's hardly the same as disproving what British intelligence believed - and continues to believe: that Saddam Hussein was actively attempting to purchase uranium from somewhere in Africa. (Whether Saddam succeeded or not isn't the point; were Saddam attempting to make such purchases it would suggest that his nuclear-weapons-development program was active and ongoing.) For some reason, this background and these questions have been consistently omitted in the Establishment media's reporting on Mr. Wilson and his charges. There also remains this intriguing question: Was it primarily due to the fact that Mr. Wilson's wife worked for the CIA that he received the Niger assignment? Mr. Wilson has said that his mission came about following a request from Vice President Cheney. But it appears that if Mr. Cheney made the request at all, he made it of the CIA and did not know Mr. Wilson and certainly did not specify that he wanted Mr. Wilson put on the case. It has to be seen as puzzling that the agency would deal with an inquiry from the White House on a sensitive national-security matter by sending a retired, Bush-bashing diplomat with no investigative experience. Or didn't the CIA bother to look into Mr. Wilson's background? If that's what passes for tradecraft in Langley, we're in more trouble than any of us have realized. - Clifford D. May, a former New York Times foreign correspondent, is president of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, a policy institute focusing on terrorism. ************************************************** At minimum, you have to admit that Wilson cannot be considered a dis-interested party. |
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"During a long conversation with a senior administration official...said Wilson had been sent by the CIA's counterproliferation section at the suggestion of one of its employees, his wife. It was an offhand revelation from this official..." "Any leak of classified information is routinely passed by the Agency to Justice..." So a "senior administration official" made an "offhand" leak of classified information. The particular kind of leak, revealing the identity of a CIA operative, is a federal felony to perform. This is "much ado about nothing" to you, spunk? Hey, man, do you have access to classified information? Can you reveal some for us, if you do? I mean, if it's no big deal, I'm sure you'll have no problem doing that. |
"The published report that somebody in the White House failed to plant this story with six reporters...is simply untrue." But then, in May's article: "That wasn't news to me. I had been told that - but not by anyone working in the White House. Rather, I learned it from someone who formerly worked in the government and he mentioned it in an offhanded manner..." Seems it was leaked to May, so that's one out of the six. Where are the other five? Also note that May says that his source is not _working_ in the White House, but _worked_ in government. That leaves the possibility that the leak worked in the White House. |
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Who has really read the Patriot Act 2? Please, anyone. Have you looked it up and read it yet? No? Maybe you should. Oh,and for those of you who ask for a summary, I will summarize my point in this "copy and paste": 108th CONGRESS 1st Session S . 22 To enhance domestic security and for other purposes. IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES January 7, 2003 Mr. DASCHLE (for himself, Mr. LEAHY, Mr. BIDEN, Mr. KENNEDY, Mr. SCHUMER, Mr. DURBIN, Mrs. CLINTON, Mrs. MURRAY, Mr. DAYTON, Mr. CORZINE, and Mr. REED) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary This is NOT Aschroft's Bill. Nor is it Cheney's or even Bush's. They are simply SUPPORTING it. And are they saying "Hey, it's Tom's Bill"? No. |
No, I have no access to date on the CIA or NSA level. Sorry. And my classification in the DIA is Analyst. |
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Are you hitting the tussin again? Two of the last three posts are on completely different subjects. And how about giving the full context of that Clinton quote, without the "..." inside? It could just as easily be "The Constitution is a Radical Document. I'd be a fuckin' idiot to say it is the job of Government to rein in people's rights!" |
And while a different subject, same topic. Dems are lying, flat out lying, and the lies are being taken for facts. |
your president lied out his ass to send 150k american troops to war, killing many of them, and thousands more iraqis. if you wanna talk lies bitch, you bess come to the table your team is already down significantly. |
And, it's a true one. If you disagree, then I guess you'd like to get rid of laws against murder 'n' stuff, right? |
Reported by none other than the Drudge Report, cradle of the liberal media. |
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Nor is it Cheney's or even Bush's." Hey, spunk, I've got a little piece of news for you: Republicans and conservatives have a controlling majority of EVERY BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT. ANYTHING that happens in government now is THEIR FAULT. You can't blame ANYTHING on Democrats or liberals now. NOTHING. If ANYTHING passes, it's because the Republicans want it to. I just wanted to lay that simple concept out for you. |
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Mr. DASCHLE (for himself, Mr. LEAHY, Mr. BIDEN, Mr. KENNEDY, Mr. SCHUMER, Mr. DURBIN, Mrs. CLINTON, Mrs. MURRAY, Mr. DAYTON, Mr. CORZINE, and Mr. REED) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary |
Larry Johnson made the charge on PBS's NEWSHOUR. "I worked with this woman. She started training with me. She has been under cover for three decades." Johnson continues: She is not as Bob Novak suggested a "CIA analyst." Given that, i was a CIA analyst for 4 years. I was under cover. I could not divulge to my family outside of my wife that I worked for the CIA unti I left the Intelligence Agency on Sept. 30, 1989. At that point I could admit it. The fact that she was under cover for three decades and that has been divulged is outrageous. She was put undercover for certain reasons. One, she works in an area where people she works with overseas could be compromised... "For these journalists to argue that this is no big deal... and if I hear another Republican operative suggesting that, well, this was just an analyst. Fine. Let them go undercover. Let's put them go overseas. Let's out them and see how they like it... "I say this as a registered Republican. I am on record giving contributions to the George Bush campaign. This is not about partisan politics. This is about a betrayal, a political smear, of an individual who had no relevance to the story. Publishing her name in that story added nothing to it because the entire intent was, correctly as Amb. Wilson noted, to intimidate, to suggest taht there was some impropriety that somehow his wife was in a decision-making position to influence his ability to go over and savage a stupid policy, an erroneous policy, and frankly what was a false policy of suggesting that there was nuclear material in Iraq that required this war. This was about a political attack. To pretend it was something else, to get into this parsing of words. "I tell you, it sickens me to be a Republican to see this." |
I can cut and paste too. Here's the titles for every section of the bill. Exactly which provisions do you not like, spunk? ********************* TITLE I--COMBATING TERRORISM AND ENHANCING DOMESTIC SECURITY Subtitle A--Supporting First Responders Sec. 1101. Short title. Sec. 1102. Purpose. Sec. 1103. First Responders Partnership Grant Program for public safety officers. Sec. 1104. Applications. Sec. 1105. Definitions. Sec. 1106. Authorization of appropriations. Subtitle B--Border Security Sec. 1201. Short title. Sec. 1202. Authorization of appropriations for hiring additional INS personnel. Sec. 1203. Authorization of appropriations for improvements in technology for improving border security. Sec. 1204. Report on border security improvements. Subtitle C--Military Tribunals Authorization Sec. 1301. Short title. Sec. 1302. Findings. Sec. 1303. Establishment of extraordinary tribunals. Sec. 1304. Procedural requirements. Sec. 1305. Detention. Sec. 1306. Sense of Congress. Sec. 1307. Definitions. Sec. 1308. Termination of authority. Subtitle D--Anti Terrorist Hoaxes and False Reports Sec. 1401. Short title. Sec. 1402. Findings. Sec. 1403. Hoaxes, false reports and reimbursement. Subtitle E--Amendments to Federal Antiterrorism Laws Sec. 1501. Attacks against mass transit clarification of definition. Sec. 1502. Release or detention of a material witness. Sec. 1503. Clarification of sunset provision in USA Patriot Act. TITLE II--PROTECTING AMERICA'S CHILDREN AND SENIORS Subtitle A--Children's Safety Part 1--National AMBER Alert Network Sec. 2111. Short title. Sec. 2112. National coordination of AMBER Alert Communications Network. Sec. 2113. Minimum standards for issuance and dissemination of alerts through AMBER Alert Communications Network. Sec. 2114. Grant program for notification and communications systems along highways for recovery of abducted children. Sec. 2115. Grant program for support of AMBER Alert communications plans. Part 2--Prosecutional Remedies and Tools Against the Exploitation of Children Today Sec. 2121. Short title. Sec. 2122. Findings. Sec. 2123. Certain activities relating to material constituting or containing child pornography. Sec. 2124. Admissibility of evidence. Sec. 2125. Definitions. Sec. 2126. Recordkeeping requirements. Sec. 2127. Extraterritorial production of child pornography for distribution in the United States. Sec. 2128. Civil remedies. Sec. 2129. Enhanced penalties for recidivists. Sec. 2130. Sentencing enhancements for interstate travel to engage in sexual act with a juvenile. Sec. 2131. Miscellaneous provisions. Part 3--Reauthorization of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children Sec. 2141. Short title. Sec. 2142. Annual grant to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Sec. 2143. Authorization of appropriations. Sec. 2144. Forensic and investigative support of missing and exploited children. Sec. 2145. Creation of a Cyber-Tipline. Sec. 2146. Service provider reporting of child pornography and related information. Sec. 2147. Contents disclosure of stored communications. Part 4--National Child Protection and Volunteers for Children Improvement Sec. 2151. Short title. Sec. 2152. Definitions. Sec. 2153. Strengthening and enforcing the National Child Protection Act and the Volunteers for Children Act. Sec. 2154. Dissemination of information. Sec. 2155. Fees. Sec. 2156. Strengthening State fingerprint technology. Sec. 2157. Privacy protections. Sec. 2158. Authorization of appropriations. Part 5--Children's Confinement Conditions Improvement Sec. 2161. Findings. Sec. 2162. Purpose. Sec. 2163. Definition. Sec. 2164. Juvenile Safe Incarceration Grant Program. Sec. 2165. Rural State funding. Sec. 2166. GAO study. Sec. 2167. Family Unity Demonstration Project. Subtitle B--Senior's Safety Sec. 2201. Short title. Sec. 2202. Findings and purposes. Sec. 2203. Definitions. Part 1--Combating Crimes Against Seniors Sec. 2211. Enhanced sentencing penalties based on age of victim. Sec. 2212. Study and report on health care fraud sentences. Sec. 2213. Increased penalties for fraud resulting in serious injury or death. Sec. 2214. Safeguarding pension plans from fraud and theft. Sec. 2215. Additional civil penalties for defrauding pension plans. Sec. 2216. Punishing bribery and graft in connection with employee benefit plans. Part 2--Preventing Telemarketing Fraud Sec. 2221. Centralized complaint and consumer education service for victims of telemarketing fraud. Sec. 2222. Blocking of telemarketing scams. Part 3--Preventing Health Care Fraud Sec. 2231. Injunctive authority relating to false claims and illegal kickback schemes involving Federal health care programs. Sec. 2232. Authorized investigative demand procedures. Sec. 2233. Extending antifraud safeguards to the Federal Employee Health Benefits program. Sec. 2234. Grand jury disclosure. Sec. 2235. Increasing the effectiveness of civil investigative demands in false claims investigations. Part 4--Protecting Residents of Nursing Homes Sec. 2241. Nursing home resident protection. Part 5--Protecting the Rights of Elderly Crime Victims Sec. 2251. Use of forfeited funds to pay restitution to crime victims and regulatory agencies. Sec. 2252. Victim restitution. Sec. 2253. Bankruptcy proceedings not used to shield illegal gains from false claims. Sec. 2254. Forfeiture for retirement offenses. TITLE III--DETERRING IDENTITY THEFT AND ASSISTING VICTIMS OF CRIME AND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE Subtitle A--Deterring Identity Theft Part 1--Identity Theft Victims Assistance Sec. 3111. Short title. Sec. 3112. Findings. Sec. 3113. Treatment of identity theft mitigation. Sec. 3114. Amendments to the Fair Credit Reporting Act. Sec. 3115. Coordinating committee study of coordination among Federal, State, and local authorities in enforcing identity theft laws. Part 2--Identity Theft Prevention Sec. 3121. Short title. Sec. 3122. Findings. Sec. 3123. Identity theft prevention. Sec. 3124. Truncation of credit card account numbers. Sec. 3125. Free annual credit report. Part 3--Social Security Number Misuse Prevention Sec. 3131. Short title. Sec. 3132. Findings. Sec. 3133. Prohibition of the display, sale, or purchase of social security numbers. Sec. 3134. Application of prohibition of the display, sale, or purchase of social security numbers to public records. Sec. 3135. Rulemaking authority of the Attorney General. Sec. 3136. Treatment of social security numbers on government documents. Sec. 3137. Limits on personal disclosure of a social security number for consumer transactions. Sec. 3138. Extension of civil monetary penalties for misuse of a social security number. Sec. 3139. Criminal penalties for misuse of a social security number. Sec. 3140. Civil actions and civil penalties. Sec. 3141. Federal injunctive authority. Subtitle B--Crime Victim Assistance Sec. 3201. Short title. Part 1--Victim Rights in the Federal System Sec. 3211. Right to consult concerning detention. Sec. 3212. Right to a speedy trial. Sec. 3213. Right to consult concerning plea. Sec. 3214. Enhanced participatory rights at trial. Sec. 3215. Enhanced participatory rights at sentencing. Sec. 3216. Right to notice concerning sentence adjustment. Sec. 3217. Right to notice concerning discharge from psychiatric facility. Sec. 3218. Right to notice concerning executive clemency. Sec. 3219. Procedures to promote compliance. Part 2--Victim Assistance Initiatives Sec. 3221. Pilot programs to enforce compliance with State crime victim's rights laws. Sec. 3222. Increased resources to develop state-of-the-art systems for notifying crime victims of important dates and developments. Sec. 3223. Restorative justice grants. Part 3--Amendments to Victims of Crime Act Sec. 3231. Formula for distributions from the Crime Victims Fund. Sec. 3232. Clarification regarding antiterrorism emergency reserve. Sec. 3233. Prohibition on diverting crime victims fund to offset increased spending. Subtitle C--Violence Against Women Act Enhancements Sec. 3301. Transitional housing assistance grants. Sec. 3302. Shelter services for battered women and children. TITLE IV--SUPPORTING LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE EFFECTIVE ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE Subtitle A--Support for Public Safety Officers and Prosecutors Part 1--Providing Reliable Officers, Technology, Education, Community Prosecutors, and Training in Our Neighborhoods Sec. 4101. Short title. Sec. 4102. Authorizations. Part 2--Hometown Heroes Survivors Benefits Sec. 4111. Short title. Sec. 4112. Fatal heart attack or stroke on duty presumed to be death in line of duty for purposes of public safety officer survivor benefits. Part 3--Federal Prosecutors Retirement Benefit Equity Sec. 4121. Short title. Sec. 4122. Inclusion of Federal prosecutors in the definition of a law enforcement officer. Sec. 4123. Provisions relating to incumbents. Sec. 4124. Department of Justice administrative actions. Subtitle B--Rural Law Enforcement Improvement and Training Grants Sec. 4201. Rural Law Enforcement Retention Grant Program. Sec. 4202. Rural Law Enforcement Technology Grant Program. Sec. 4203. Rural 9-1-1 service. Sec. 4204. Small town and rural law enforcement training program. Subtitle C--FBI Reform Sec. 4301. Short title. Part 1--Whistleblower Protection Sec. 4311. Increasing protections for FBI whistleblowers. Part 2--Fbi Security Career Program Sec. 4321. Security management policies. Sec. 4322. Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Sec. 4323. Director of Security. Sec. 4324. Security career program boards. Sec. 4325. Designation of security positions. Sec. 4326. Career development. Sec. 4327. General education, training, and experience requirements. Sec. 4328. Education and training programs. Sec. 4329. Office of Personnel Management approval. Part 3--FBI Counterintelligence Polygraph Program Sec. 4331. Definitions. Sec. 4332. Establishment of program. Sec. 4333. Regulations. Sec. 4334. Report on further enhancement of FBI personnel security program. Part 4--Reports Sec. 4341. Report on legal authority for FBI programs and activities. Part 5--Ending the Double Standard Sec. 4351. Allowing disciplinary suspensions of members of the Senior Executive Service for 14 days or less. Sec. 4352. Submitting Office of Professional Responsibility reports to congressional committees. Part 6--Enhancing Security at the Department of Justice Sec. 4361. Report on the protection of security and information at the Department of Justice. Sec. 4362. Authorization for increased resources to protect security and information. Sec. 4363. Authorization for increased resources to fulfill national security mission of the Department of Justice. Subtitle D--DNA Sexual Assault Justice Act Sec. 4401. Short title. Sec. 4402. Assessment of backlog in DNA analysis of samples. Sec. 4403. The Debbie Smith DNA Backlog Grant Program. Sec. 4404. Increased grants for analysis of DNA samples from convicted offenders and crime scenes. Sec. 4405. Authority of local governments to apply for and receive DNA Backlog Elimination Grants. Sec. 4406. Improving eligibility criteria for backlog grants. Sec. 4407. Quality assurance standards for collection and handling of DNA evidence. Sec. 4408. Sexual Assault Forensic Exam Program Grants. Sec. 4409. DNA Evidence Training Grants. Sec. 4410. Authorizing John Doe DNA indictments. Sec. 4411. Increased grants for Combined DNA Index System (CODIS). Sec. 4412. Increased grants for Federal Convicted Offender Program (FCOP). Sec. 4413. Privacy requirements for handling DNA evidence and DNA analyses. Subtitle E--Additional Improvements to the Justice System Sec. 4501. Providing remedies for retaliation against whistleblowers making congressional disclosures. Sec. 4502. Establishment of protective function privilege. Sec. 4503. Professional standards for government attorneys. TITLE V--COMBATING DRUG AND GUN VIOLENCE Subtitle A--Drug Treatment, Prevention, and Testing Part 1--Drug Treatment Sec. 5101. Funding for rural State and economically depressed communities. Sec. 5102. Funding for residential treatment centers for women and children. Sec. 5103. Drug treatment alternative to prison programs administered by State or local prosecutors. Sec. 5104. Substance abuse treatment in Federal prisons reauthorization. Sec. 5105. Drug treatment for juveniles. Part 2--Funding for Drug-free Community Programs Sec. 5111. Extension of Safe and Drug-Free Schools and Communities Program. Sec. 5112. Say No to Drugs Community Centers. Sec. 5113. Drug education and prevention relating to youth gangs. Sec. 5114. Drug education and prevention program for runaway and homeless youth. Part 3--Zero Tolerance Drug Testing Sec. 5121. Grant authority. Sec. 5122. Administration. Sec. 5123. Applications. Sec. 5124. Federal share. Sec. 5125. Geographic distribution. Sec. 5126. Technical assistance, training, and evaluation. Sec. 5127. Authorization of appropriations. Sec. 5128. Permanent set-aside for research and evaluation. Part 4--Crack House Statute Amendments Sec. 5131. Offenses. Sec. 5132. Civil penalty and equitable relief for maintaining drug-involved premises. Sec. 5133. Declaratory and injunctive remedies. Sec. 5134. Sentencing Commission guidelines. Sec. 5135. Authorization of appropriations for a demand reduction coordinator. Sec. 5136. Authorization of appropriations for drug education. Part 5--Cracking Down on Methamphetamine in Rural Areas Sec. 5141. Methamphetamine treatment programs in rural areas. Sec. 5142. Methamphetamine prevention education. Sec. 5143. Methamphetamine cleanup. Subtitle B--Disarming Felons Part 1--Our Lady of Peace Act Sec. 5201. Short title. Sec. 5202. Findings. Sec. 5203. Enhancement of requirement that Federal departments and agencies provide relevant information to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System. Sec. 5204. Requirements to obtain waiver. Sec. 5205. Implementation grants to States. Sec. 5206. Continuing evaluations. Sec. 5207. Grants to State courts for the improvement in automation and transmittal of disposition records Part 2--Ballistics, Law Assistance, and Safety Technology Sec. 5211. Short title. Sec. 5212. Purposes. Sec. 5213. Definition of ballistics. Sec. 5214. Test firing and automated storage of ballistics records. Sec. 5215. Privacy rights of law abiding citizens. Sec. 5216. Demonstration firearm crime reduction strategy. Part 3--Extension of Project Exile Sec. 5221. Authorization of funding for additional State and local gun prosecutors. Part 4--Expansion of the Youth Crime Gun Interdiction Initiative Sec. 5231. Youth Crime Gun Interdiction Initiative. Part 5--Gun Offenses Sec. 5241. Gun ban for dangerous juvenile offenders. Sec. 5242. Improving firearms safety. Sec. 5243. Juvenile handgun safety. Sec. 5244. Serious juvenile drug offenses as armed career criminal predicates. Sec. 5245. Increased penalty for transferring a firearm to a minor for use in crime of violence or drug trafficking crime. Sec. 5246. Increased penalty for firearms conspiracy. Part 6--Closing the Gun Show Loophole Sec. 5251. Findings. Sec. 5252. Extension of Brady background checks to gun shows. TITLE VI--THE INNOCENCE PROTECTION ACT Sec. 6001. Short title. Subtitle A--Exonerating the Innocent Through DNA Testing Sec. 6101. DNA testing in Federal criminal justice system. Sec. 6102. DNA testing in State criminal justice systems. Sec. 6103. Prohibition pursuant to section 5 of the 14th Amendment. Sec. 6104. Grants to prosecutors for DNA testing programs. Subtitle B--Improving State Systems for Providing Competent Legal Services in Capital Cases Sec. 6201. Capital Representation System Improvement Grants. Sec. 6202. Enforcement suits. Sec. 6203. Grants to qualified capital defender organizations. Sec. 6204. Grants to train prosecutors, defense counsel, and State and local judges handling State capital cases. Subtitle C--Right to Review of the Death Penalty upon the Grant of Certiorari Sec. 6301. Protecting the rights of death row inmates to review of cases granted certiorari. Subtitle D--Compensation for the Wrongfully Convicted Sec. 6401. Increased compensation in Federal cases. Sec. 6402. Sense of Congress regarding compensation in State death penalty cases. Subtitle E--Student Loan Repayment for Public Attorneys Sec. 6501. Student loan repayment for public attorneys. TITLE VII--STRENGTHENING THE FEDERAL CRIMINAL LAWS Subtitle A--Anti-Atrocity Alien Deportation Act Sec. 7101. Short title. Sec. 7102. Inadmissibility and deportability of aliens who have committed acts of torture or extrajudicial killings abroad. Sec. 7103. Inadmissibility and deportability of foreign government officials who have committed particularly severe violations of religious freedom. Sec. 7104. Bar to good moral character for aliens who have committed acts of torture, extrajudicial killings, or severe violations of religious freedom. Sec. 7105. Establishment of the Office of Special Investigations. Sec. 7106. Report on implementation. Subtitle B--Deterring Cargo Theft Sec. 7201. Punishment of cargo theft. Sec. 7202. Reports to Congress on cargo theft. Sec. 7203. Establishment of advisory committee on cargo theft. Sec. 7204. Addition of attempted theft and counterfeiting offenses to eliminate gaps and inconsistencies in coverage. Sec. 7205. Clarification of scienter requirement for receiving property stolen from an Indian tribal organization. Sec. 7206. Larceny involving post office boxes and postal stamp vending machines. Sec. 7207. Expansion of Federal theft offenses to cover theft of vessels. Subtitle C--Additional Improvements and Corrections to the Federal Criminal Laws Sec. 7301. Enhanced penalties for cultural heritage crimes. Sec. 7302. Enhanced enforcement of laws affecting racketeer-influenced and corrupt organizations. Sec. 7303. Increased maximum corporate penalty for antitrust violations. Sec. 7304. Technical correction to ensure compliance of sentencing guidelines with provisions of all Federal statutes. Sec. 7305. Inclusion of assault crimes and unlicensed money transmitting businesses as racketeering activity. Sec. 7306. Inclusion of unlicensed money transmitting businesses and structuring currency transactions to evade reporting requirement as wiretap predicates. |
1/7/2003--Introduced. Justice Enhancement and Domestic Security Act of 2003 - Incorporates provisions entitled as follows: (1) the First Responders Partnership Grant Act of 2003 (authorizes grants to support public safety officers in efforts to protect homeland security and prevent and respond to acts of terrorism); (2) the Safe Borders Act of 2003 (authorizes appropriations for hiring additional Immigration and Naturalization Service personnel and for border security protection technology); (3) the Military Tribunal Authorization Act of 2003 (authorizes the President to establish tribunals for the trial of suspected terrorists and individuals who aid or abet terrorists); (4) the Anti-Terrorist Hoax and False Report Act of 2003; (5) the National AMBER Alert Network Act of 2003 (requires the Attorney General to assign an AMBER Alert Coordinator of the Department of Justice (DOJ) to act as a national coordinator of the AMBER Alert communications network); (6) the Prosecutorial Remedies and Tools Against the Exploitation of Children Today Act of 2003; (7) the Protecting Our Children Comes First Act of 2003 (reauthorizes and increases funding for the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children); (8) the National Child Protection and Volunteers for Children Improvement Act of 2003; (9) the Seniors Safety Act of 2003 (includes provisions regarding crimes against seniors, health care and pension fraud, telemarketing fraud, violations of nursing home rules and regulations, and restitution of elderly crime victims); (10) the Identity Theft Victims Assistance Act of 2003; (11) the Identity Theft Prevention Act of 2003; (12) the Social Security Number Misuse Prevention Act of 2003; (13) the Crime Victims Assistance Act of 2003 (requires a responsible official to arrange reasonable protection of a victim from a suspected offender and sets forth consultation and participatory rights of a victim at detention hearings, trials, and sentencing proceedings); (14) the Providing Reliable Officers, Technology, Education, Community Prosecutors, and Training in Our Neighborhoods Act of 2003 (PROTECTION Act); (15) the Hometown Heroes Survivors Benefits Act of 2003; (16) the Federal Prosecutors Retirement Benefit Equity Act of 2003; (17) the Federal Bureau of Investigation Reform Act of 2003 (revises whistle blower protections); (18) the DNA Sexual Assault Justice Act of 2003 (provides for a recommended national protocol on collecting and processing DNA evidence at crime scenes); (19) the Say No to Drugs Community Centers Act of 2003; (20) the Our Lady of Peace Act of 2003 (revises requirements and provides grants for firearms eligibility determination information and technology); (21) the Ballistics, Law Assistance, and Safety Technology Act of 2003 (BLAST Act) (sets forth firearms ballistics testing and record keeping requirements); (22) the Innocence Protection Act of 2003 (sets forth procedures governing DNA testing of a person convicted of a Federal crime and provides grants for legal representation provided to indigent defendants in State capital cases); and (23) the Anti-Atrocity Alien Deportation Act of 2003 (provides for the inadmissibility and deportability of aliens who have committed acts of torture or extrajudicial killings abroad). Provides for establishment of: (1) a Rural Policing Institute; (2) a protective function privilege with respect to testimony by Secret Service personnel; (3) the Office of Special Investigations within DOJ to investigate and take legal action to denaturalize certain aliens; and (4) the Advisory Committee on Cargo Theft.. Provides for grants for: (1) treatment facilities in rural States and economically depressed communities, residential treatment centers for drug-addicted women with minor children, and residential and outpatient substance abuse treatment programs for juveniles; (2) drug treatment alternative to prison programs; and (3) community-based justice programs for the prosecution of firearm-related crimes (Project Exile). |
Could you post the specific language you don't like? |
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You said before "Who has really read the Patriot Act 2?" Why have you called S.22 "Patriot Act 2"? What parts of it make it like the PATRIOT ACT? Why is S.22 an act I should object to? You haven't explained that yet. It's hard to be have any stand when the issue has not been defined. What do you want me to "take a stand and for once be counted" about? How about this...you post one section of the bill you think is pertinent and we'll discuss it. |
Im still perpelexed as to where the Patriot Act Part deux came into play. And Im not sure what the hell you mean by invoking the cheesy cliche of "stand up and be counted" seriously....are you on the purple sauce again? what the fuck are you talking about? |
plus of course there is the constant thing of when you are contradicted, that you completely ignore it and go off on some other rant. Still waiting for that MTV transcript... |
himself. What bothers me about the CIA leak story is that the news is saying this is the biggest scandal bush should worry about. not true. Theres been so many that have been more serious or have been ignored. Like Clinton, Bush has a sex scandal, but that has been ignored. Enron, election fraud, no WMDs, these are all much bigger deals... not that leaking CIA info isnt a big deal I'm already seeing 'impeachment' articles... ??? If this is what actually dismantles Bush, we'll I'll take it. But its fucking bizarre. Kinda like how sex with an intern is impeachable, but apparently not money laundering and drug running? |
Patriot II is evil no matter who pushes it through or who sponsors it. Gandhi could come back to life and make love to it, it don't matter. p.p.s. this should be bigger news.. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030930/pl_nm/attack_inquiry_dc_1 |
Do a search on Senate Sesion 108, Bill 22. Wilson is a retired diplomat, who is married to a CIA Analyst. Cheney asked the CIA to validate or disprove the Niger Yellow Cake claim the Brits were making. He asked Tenet to take care of it. The CIA then selected a retired Diplomat to go, and this retired diplomat was married to a CIA analyst. So, the CIA asked Wilson's wife to ask Wilson to go. At that point the CIA committed a major blunder; it asked a very minor former ambassador named Joseph Wilson IV to go to Niger to investigate. Mr. Wilson was an outspoken opponent of our invasion of Iraq. Mr. Wilson's "investigation" is a classic case of a man whose mind had been made up using any opportunity to refute the justifications for our ever going to war. By his own admission he first consulted with our ambassador to Niger, who felt "she had already debunked" the report of Niger's attempted sale. Mr. Wilson then spent eight days "drinking sweet mint tea and meeting with dozens of people." His conclusion: "It did not take long to conclude it was highly doubtful that any such transaction had ever taken place." Because Mr. Wilson, by his own admission, never wrote a report, we only have his self-serving op-ed article in the New York Times to go by. He also noted that "Niger formally denied the charges." He said there "should be" documents reporting on his unwritten briefings and that there should be a written summary of his views to the vice president ("which may have been delivered orally"), but that he has never seen any of these reports. If we are to rely on this kind of sloppy tea-drinking "investigation" from a CIA-chosen investigator--a retired ambassador with a less than stellar record--then I would say that the CIA deserves some of the criticism it normally receives. "Neo-conservatives and religious conservatives have hijacked this administration, and I consider myself on a personal mission to destroy both." Joseph Wilson You want to know MY personal opinion? Tenet should be "frog walked" out of the CIA. He should have been shit canned 9/12/01 |
lie created by Novak. the word 'analyst' is being used to try to downgrade the seriousness... Spunk, dont you know Novak has been in trouble with white house links before? Do you actually think Novak has any credibility, considering he is paid to read from talking points? he's not a real political analyst. Fuck, even Chomsky's less biased than Novak. |
For these journalists to argue that this is no big deal... and if I hear another Republican operative suggesting that, well, this was just an analyst. Fine. Let them go undercover. Let's put them go overseas. Let's out them and see how they like it... I say this as a registered Republican. I am on record giving contributions to the George Bush campaign. This is not about partisan politics. This is about a betrayal, a political smear, of an individual who had no relevance to the story. Publishing her name in that story added nothing to it because the entire intent was, correctly as Amb. Wilson noted, to intimidate, to suggest taht there was some impropriety that somehow his wife was in a decision-making position to influence his ability to go over and savage a stupid policy, an erroneous policy, and frankly what was a false policy of suggesting that there was nuclear material in Iraq that required this war. This was about a political attack. To pretend it was something else, to get into this parsing of words. I tell you, it sickens me to be a Republican to see this. -Larry Johnson, a former counter-terrorism official at the CIA and the State Department |
Also spunk, Mr. Wilson's credibility isnt really the issue. If youa re going to rationalize the illegal leaking of a CIA agent's name in the press to such then I'll ask you to pass the purple juice. |
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it's all speculation and bullshit. and it has the front-page newsworthiness of a lewinsky blowjob. |
Rowlf, the peice you posted, the lady is only 40. He worked with her since she was 10?????? Come on, think. Oh,and don't think the media is aimed at attacking conservative politicians, tomorrow you Rush haters are going to have a feast of Bull Shit |
The political goals must be paramount here because the substance of the story is so flimsy. The law against revealing the names of covert CIA agents was passed in 1982 as a reaction against leaks by Philip Agee and other hard-left types whose goal was to undermine CIA operations around the world. When an intelligence "operative" essentially claims that a U.S. President sent American soldiers off to die for a lie, certainly that operative's own motives and history ought to be on the table. In any event, Mrs. Wilson was not an agent in the field but is ensconced at Langley headquarters. It remains far from clear that any law was violated. The real intelligence scandal is how an open opponent of the U.S. war on terror such as Mr. Wilson was allowed to become one of that policy's investigators. That faulty CIA decision echoes what has obviously been a long-running attempt by anonymous "intelligence sources" quoted in the media to undermine the Bush policy toward Iraq. Bush's policies of prevention and pursuing state sponsors of terror overturned more than 30 years of CIA anti-terror tactics, and some of the bureaucrats are hoping to defeat him in 2004. As recently as Monday, the New York Times hung its lead story around a leak that the Pentagon had somehow not got its money's worth from the $1 million it had spent mining some of Ahmed Chalabi's intelligence tips. I'd love to see a declassified bang-for-the-buck analysis of the tens of millions the CIA has spent paying sources who claimed to have Saddam Hussein in their sights. If CIA Director George Tenet can't control his bureaucracy, then President Bush should find a director who can. Which brings me back to the politics. The Democratic Presidential candidates are naturally all over this non-story, calling for a "special counsel" and Congressional probe. They can suddenly posture as great defenders of the CIA and covert operations, though some of them spent the decades before 911 assailing both. And if they can't get Bush to give up Rove, perhaps they can keep the story going through next November. The Democrats buried the independent counsel statute during the Clinton years. "Leak" investigations are notoriously fruitless in any case and typically a waste of DOJ resources. It's very amusing to see the media whose lifeblood is leaks feigning outrage. I hope Bush and Republicans on the Hill understand that if they throw Rove over the side, the blood in the water will really be theirs. |
Every time I'm feeling down you bring up politics again and I start laughing. Thanks. |
That's fucking funny. |
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actually, today this Rush hater is having a glorious day, as that deaf pig asshole had to leave his new job over his big asshole mouth. http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid=34&in=world&cat=media_watch |
Can they get you to drool on command as well? |
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you're 20/20 on Clinton lying about fucking an intern. But your vision goes to shit when it comes to anyone undermining your team. dougie, those assholes at ABC put Dennis Miller on. Clearly the same nimwits (ABC/Disney/ESPN all the same) werent thinking anymore or less with Rush. They shouldn't fire Rush. He's just being his usual dumbass self. keep him. he'll sink his own ship. fire the entire staff that hired him. |
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Oh, so spunk, it would be better if an open proponent of Bush's policies do the investigation? Would they be impartial? If so why couldn't an open opponent be impartial? Why am I asking you questions? You can't even name one small section of Senate bill 22 to discuss. And, you can't even post your own thoughts without cutting and pasting it from the Wall Street Journal opinion page. (Search for "The real intelligence scandal") |
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SHORT TITLE(S) AS INTRODUCED: Justice Enhancement and Domestic Security Act of 2003 Anti-Atrocity Alien Deportation Act of 2003 Anti Terrorist Hoax and False Report Act of 2003 Ballistics, Law Assistance, and Safety Technology Act of 2003 BLAST Act Crime Victims Assistance Act of 2003 DNA Sexual Assault Justice Act of 2003 Federal Bureau of Investigation Reform Act of 2003 Federal Prosecutors Retirement Benefit Equity Act of 2003 First Responders Partnership Grant Act of 2003 Hometown Heroes Survivors Benefits Act of 2003 Identity Theft Prevention Act of 2003 Identity Theft Victims Assistance Act of 2003 Innocence Protection Act of 2003 Military Tribunal Authorization Act of 2003 National AMBER Alert Network Act of 2003 National Child Protection and Volunteers for Children Improvement Act of 2003 Our Lady of Peace Act of 2003 Prosecutorial Remedies and Tools Against the Exploitation of Children Today Act of 2003 PROTECT Act Protecting Our Children Comes First Act of 2003 Providing Reliable Officers, Technology, Education, Community Prosecutors and Training in Our Neighborhoods Act of 2003 Safe Borders Act of 2003 Say No to Drugs Community Centers Act of 2003 Seniors Safety Act of 2003 Social Security Number Misuse Prevention Act of 2003 |
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THOSE EVIL CONSERVATIVES AND THEIR PATRIOT ACT 2? By: R.A. Hawkins "The Constitution is a Radical Document...It is the job of Government to rein in people's rights!" ---President Bill Clinton on MTV "I'm a liberal Democrat. I started in Florida politics. I worked for George McGovern. I worked for Jimmy Carter. I've worked for Ted Kennedy, Mario Cuomo. ... But I have to tell you, at this point it's hard to believe that my party, the party that I've belonged to since my great, great grandfather..., has become no longer a party of principles, but has been hijacked by a confederacy of gangsters who need to take power by whatever means and whatever canards they can say." ---Pat Caddell, Democratic Party pollster, on "Hardball with Chris Mathews," MSNBC, November 27, 2000 I find it absolutely amazing these days when I read about ‘Bush’s’ Patriot Act 2. The story goes something like this: "In an attempt to further abridge the freedoms we enjoy in this nation, Patriot Act 2 has been introduced into the Senate as S. 22 and our rights are being further eroded by it. Blah blah yadda yadda." There is an as introduced version and a super secret leaked document that many are privy to so they can comment on it. Of course Bush and Ashcroft are being blamed for the whole thing. I have a completely different take on it. First off who created the entire discussion? Who else would do it and why is it that it looks exactly like the same kind of attempted usurpations of the Constitution we saw for eight years. Here is the list of those who introduced the bill in the first place, taken directly from the bill as introduced: "Mr. Daschle (for himself, Mr. Leahy, Mr. Biden, Mr Kennedy, Mr. Schumer, Mr. Durbin, Mrs. Clinton, Mrs. Murray, Mr. Dayton, Mr. Corzine and Mr. Reed) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary." Well that is an interesting array of freedom fighters isn’t it? I call them freedom fighters because they have been trying to trash freedom at any cost for years. We have Mrs. Klinton, who we know loves anything that can give her power, even a General at the moment. We have Kennedy, who tried to give our entire military budget to the IMF because they are so much more responsible than we are; never mind the fact that everything they touch miraculously implodes. So what we have is the gun grabbers initiating the Patriot Act 2 through S. 22 on January 7, 2003 and suddenly it gets radically changed in secret and released to the public via certain unnamed sources?" Like I said what we find in that bill is exactly the same garbage we fought for eight years under “Chinas man in the White House’ Bill Clinton. This is a classic fifth column tactic. These same people are now starting to speak out against this bill and are claiming to be in favor of the document they have been using as a door mat for years (The Constitution). The liberals are still trying to reinvent themselves in our minds. I do have to make a comment here about those who are claiming this was all created by Bush and company. You are either phony conservatives, not willing to do a little research, communists or synaptically challenged. Which is it? If you don’t know what I’m talking click on this link my web page where I have been kind enough to cut and paste the appropriate section out of the congressional record of January 9, 2003. the same date on the entire super secret document currently being smeared on Bush by a bunch of people who claim to be conservatives. If you have taken the time to check out what I have placed here for you, I ask you to now go back and review everything you have gotten from those same ‘CONservative’ sources and start questioning both it and yourself. That is if you can handle it. To me it is obvious that this Patriot Act is yet another liberal game. They have created a monster and are now trying to gut it and smear the entrails on Bush. Why would they do that? So you won’t bother to look up what I have looked up for you. The list at the top is the list of names that started the legislation in the first place and who put what into it isn’t anything but hearsay or, more probably, out and out lies. It is interesting that the dates on the super secret document actually match up with the date of Daschle introducing it don’t you think? I’m inclined to blame the same old collection of Miscreants and Mistercreants that introduced the bill for this new attempt at attacking our rights. This Hegelian hoopla is typical made to order left wing poopla! " Published originally at EtherZone.com" : republication allowed with this notice and hyperlink intact." |
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More nothing about nothing. |
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Where did I say I did not like it? Please tell me. Problem is, I still, after all this crap, honestly, truely do not beleive Bush lied. There has been no proof, only the usual conspiracy whacko bull shit. |
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Sort of. "Where did I say I did not like it?" So, what exactly IS your opinion of S.22? How is it like the PATRIOT Act? Why did you bring it up in the first place? Was it to tell us that Democrats introduced it? If so, who cares unless you can tell us why S.22 is bad. |
Water Nate, next? |
One thing that I find interesting, it appears, at first blush, to authorize military tribunals... |
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http://www.bushlies.com/topten.php Of course, the guy is promoting his book, but most of his points are valid. So, yeah, Bush lies. He and his administration are adept at distorting the truth, which I don't think anybody can reasonably dispute. Adn as far as what I think about S. 22, it's one more reason I think the practice of attaching riders to bills is crap. |
This guy that wrote that book is a complete ass. I found somewhere a list of everything every politicain said about Iraq since 1998. How many times they swore Iraq still had WMD, and Nukes, and was going to use them. It was very long, and went from Kerry to Albright. That is another reason I cannot respect anyone who has the audacity to accuse Bush of lying about Iraqi WMD. |
Flips people off and does what he says. Unfortunately he's only a mayor. |
He worked with her since she was 10?????? " he said 'three decades'. depending on how you look at that term, that could mean it was 1973, or it could mean it was as late as 1989. more Limbaugh love: http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/122839p-110349c.html |
This guy that wrote that book is a complete ass" wow, does that mean you forgive Clinton? |
. Beyond that, I'm staying out of this stupid, stupid thread. . Except perhaps to serve as a distraction. . Look! Over there! |
holy cow. |
aaah! |
I figured you'd say that, spunk, so I read that part of the bill. Most of it is about limiting the power of the tribunals, and setting a hard sunset date in 2006. |
QUOTE FUN! reading these sequentially, kids, and a hidden picture will appear! "There's no question that Saddam Hussein had Al Qaeda ties." - Bush, two weeks ago "You can't distinguish between Al Qaeda and Saddam." - Bush, November 2002 "We have no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the Sept. 11." - Bush, two weeks ago within the administration: "I think we ought to declare our containment policy a success. We have kept him contained; kept him in his box. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. He threatens not the United States." - Colin Powell, September 2001 "Saddam Hussein is bottled up." - Dick Cheney, September 16, 2001 "The threat comes from Iraq. America must not ignore the threat gathering against us. Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof -- the smoking gun -- that could come in the form of a nuclear cloud." - Bush, October 2002 |
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"'he said 'three decades'. depending on how you look at that term, that could mean it was 1973, or it could mean it was as late as 1989. " nononono. don't go to the doublespeak man. Main Entry: de·cade Pronunciation: 'de-"kAd, de-'kAd; esp sense 1b 'de-k&d Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French décade, from Late Latin decad-, decas, from Greek dekad-, dekas, from deka Date: 15th century 1 : a group or set of 10: as a : a period of 10 years b : a division of the rosary that consists primarily of 10 Hail Marys 2 : a ratio of 10 to 1 : ORDER OF MAGNITUDE depending on on how you look at the term, it might have been 58 seconds with sister agnes (40 seconds if you don't count the our fathers.) you can be deep in it, or you can sit back and laugh. you're all fucking ridiculous. you're all fucking god |
What I'm saying is that there are those who would believe that if something SPANS three decades, then you can say it happened three decades ago. Like the Simpsons joke about Mickey Rooney's box office draw. it is entirely possible that the testimony is using this "definition", or that he is flat-out lying, or that he has remembered the amount of years incorrectly, but it otherwise telling the truth as he believes it to be. |
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Spunk, how many flaming liberals were contributers to the Bush-Cheney campaign? Not many... |
this is a pretty funny point by point commentary on a limbaugh commentary from 10/01. a metacommentary, if you will. i've heard more lucidity in the ravings from incontinent, stumbling drunks than in the kaka limbaugh barfs up. |
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Come to think of it, that reminds me of someone else who is prone to bizarre conservative rantings.... |
I really don't give a rip about his lying to us about the affair anymore. |
Donovan McNabb isn't a great quarterback, and the media do overrate him because he is black. By Allen Barra In his notorious ESPN comments last Sunday night, Rush Limbaugh said he never thought the Philadelphia Eagles' Donovan McNabb was "that good of a quarterback." If Limbaugh were a more astute analyst, he would have been even harsher and said, "Donovan McNabb is barely a mediocre quarterback." But other than that, Limbaugh pretty much spoke the truth. Limbaugh lost his job for saying in public what many football fans and analysts have been saying privately for the past couple of seasons. ************************************************** Problem is, you don't dare speak the truth these days, becasue we have become a nation of over sensitive, whiney children, who can't handle a little criticism, and are always throwing a tantrum, complete with kicking and screaming "It's not fair!" or "You hurt my feelings" or "If I don't get my way, I'm telling!" But that is MY opinion. You don't like it? Good for you. |
Consequently, it is equally absurd to say that the sports media haven't overrated Donovan McNabb because he's black. I'm sorry to have to say it; he is the quarterback for a team I root for. Instead of calling him overrated, I wish I could be admiring his Super Bowl rings. But the truth is that I and a great many other sportswriters have chosen for the past few years to see McNabb as a better player than he has been because we want him to be. Rush Limbaugh didn't say Donovan McNabb was a bad quarterback because he is black. He said that the media have overrated McNabb because he is black, and Limbaugh is right. He didn't say anything that he shouldn't have said, and in fact he said things that other commentators should have been saying for some time now. I should have said them myself. I mean, if they didn't hire Rush Limbaugh to say things like this, what they did they hire him for? To talk about the prevent defense? " ************************************************** PS, Are you all not the ones who screamed at me about the freedom of speech? You don't like Limbaugh. That's fair, you have that right. Turn the radio off. Create your own radio program to counter point his program. Make your own "I Hate Rush" t-shirt or bumper sticker. Write a column on the internet, but do not say he should be shut up. Do not say he does not have the right to say what he does. |
You must have some weird sort of language filter in your head, where what someone actually says gets translated into what you wanted them to have said instead. |
. First of all, having the (legal) right to say things has nothing to do with this. He's not being prosecuted. . Second, the only person who's said anything about whether Rush should or shouldn't be fired was Patrick. He said Rush shouldn't be fired. So don't point your "freedom of speech" gun at us. . I agree that he shouldn't be fired. It wasn't the smartest thing to say publicly in these times. Not the most tactful... But it didn't seem like a firing offence to me. Especially from him. You expect that sort of thing from him. |
What I find to be most irritating about this is this: in the leftist lingo, Limbaugh complimented the media; he said something nice about them. He said they support blacks. He said they want black quarterbacks to succeed, because they are black. For this Rush is labeled "racist". And then he wussed out and quit. He should have stuck to his guns, but I imagine this heat is more then ESPN is used to. You even have his fellow sportscasters upset because they did not challenge what he said, which reminds me a lot of "They Live", and ESPN LIED and said they had no idea he was going to make this statement, even though he said it word for word before in the show prep. And freedom of speech is NOT a weapon, it's a tool. |
would you fucking COMPREHEND what any of us are saying, just once. guess what. no one here, cares for your irritation for "leftist lingo". Most here, don't have much patience for "lingo" left or right. Ok? Do I have to come to SA and whoop this notion into your blabbering ass? No one here called Rush a racist, to my recollection. Do you know why? Because most of us don't give a flying fuck. As you would say, its a non-issue. Really! This non-conversation and tail chasing with you just gets fucking old. You spend so much effort having conversations that arent about talking WITH us, but AT us. Is McNabb overrated? Yes. I think he is. Is he a fan favorite? YES! Do those really cute soup commercials with his mom make him endearing to fans and non-fans alike? Yes. Does that mean the media has propelled his popularity simply because he is black????? Thats fuckin absurd! Derek Jeter is a fan favorite too. He does cute commercials too. I saw him drop or mis-throw several balls last night. Over rated? Whatever. He's a fan favorite. The media will ride any pony like that as long as they can because he makes them money! This whole idea that the media is acting in some sort of concert because of McNabb's race is idiotic. Rush, like you, need to lay off Tussin and pain killers, because its affecting his judgement. McNabb is a fan favorite because when he came about, like Steve McNair or Dante Culpepper, they represented a new, bigger, stronger and more exciting breed of quarterback to watch. They ran more, shucked tacklers. Did they win games? Many times. He has a winning record with Philly. Thats enough! Is that possible in a bleak, grainy, salty Rush limbaugh world? Is it entire possible that he's just a fucking fan favorite and he packs the stadium? Jesus fucking christ!!! Look at me, im fucking hysterical now! And if you had any sense left spunk, you'd realize that people like Limbaugh do nothing but lather up the monkeys (such as yourself) with non-sense. He appeals to lower common denominators, shoots fish in a barrel. Ooooooooo Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh fuck man. i really should have my coffee first. |
. I think it was about saying things that offend people on a commercially sponsored show. It doesn't help that he's said things that many viewed as racist in the past as well. . A soldering iron is a tool too, until I stab someone in the face with it. |
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but who cares? football is retarded and gay. |
He was talking about the media. The media was hyping this guy's ability and skill. Let ME try to reword it: "this guy is not what he is reported to be. He's an ok player, but the sports media is anxious to see a black player do well, so they make more out of this guy's record then his skill deserves. The guys who deserve the credit here is the defense." Did you read the Slate article? Oh, and Patrick, did you see what I said about tantrums? |
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like the fuckin eh darking. it's coming. in other news, i bought incense today. i have a virus. i waiting too long to take a piss and my bladder feels like it has air in it. you ever piss and then stop pissing and then force a bit more piss out and it burns like hell? that didn't happen tonight. but it felt like i have air in my bladder. i'm working through fixing the ID tags for 3000 mp3's. my jesus is your jesus. i made my first post to slashdot. i enjoy pb&j. it's not just for children. milk. i think that the more bad shit you do, the easier it becomes. like practice. but, maybe not. the unified conscious. is there such a thing? not consciousness, but conscience. yeah. the unified conscience. we all know the basics of what is bad and good, below that which we are told. isn't that true? or can that be dissolved away through mindwarping and manson family tactics? if it were true it would belie god. belly god. that was me. now i'm a skeleton. my skull can open. you can look in. it is like a collision. kalidascope. and rain that drips up. i'm going to have two monuments of time passing back to back. 7 months and then 30 days. one after the other. life is beautiful. don't keep your day job. |
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pleeze hammah don' hurt 'em |
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anyways, potentially big news? Time allegedly has proof Rove was the Plame leak? http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000972839 |
and I, for once, say let's go. bring it on you heathen fuckers. we'll see who laughs last, who laughs hardest, and who laughs through crunchy mouthfuls of your fire-roasted scrotums. |
i know i haven't been engaging in any of the political stuff here like i used to, but i am just fucking consumed by this shit. i read blogs, listen to air america and thom hartmann, watch the sunday morning talk shows -- i'm afraid to take my eye of the ball. these guys are so unbelievably bad. they're fucking ruining everything. |
this is seriously bad. |
i always mean to take part in the "populist agitation" here in d/fw, but i never get up early enough in the morning. |
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there's nothing conservative about the republicans. absolutely nothing. i almost wish i lived in a "red state" so i could do some agitating. fuck, man. we're as un-republican as it gets here in western wa. especially here in olympia. there's nothing more to do here except maintain. it's droopyland that needs some fixing. |
fuck you, post! |
I revealed in yesterday's taping of the McLaughlin Group that Time magazine's emails will reveal that Karl Rove was Matt Cooper's source. I have known this for months but didn't want to say it at a time that would risk me getting dragged into the grand jury. McLaughlin is seen in some markets on Friday night, so some websites have picked it up, including Drudge, but I don't expect it to have much impact because McLaughlin is not considered a news show and it will be pre-empted in the big markets on Sunday because of tennis. Since I revealed the big scoop, I have had it reconfirmed by yet another highly authoritative source. Too many people know this. It should break wide open this week. I know Newsweek is working on an 'It's Rove!' story and will probably break it tomorrow. anyways, I'm trying to think of situations where Rove spoke to Time but could still get off. And I found one where he'll probably get off scott free: situation: Novak's source is from somewhere else. He calls Rove to simply confirm. Rove is like "oh you know?", assumes its already out there and mentions it to a few other people. In this situation he's simply spreading the leak rather than being the leak himself. At least this is where I think it might be headed, now that Rove's lawyer is going with the "not knowingly leaked" wording rather than outright denial. |
Newsweek indeed. |
clip of O'Donnell on the McL Group |
i'm only a foot soldier in general dave's army. |
-- George Herbert Walker Bush, 1999 |
gwb is further proof that there truly is no god. and human enlightenment is doomed. sorry, cleo. just . . . sorry. |
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On another board, there was a lot of talk about the Live 8 concerts, but it was saddeningly cynical. Corrupt dictators and all that. Most Americans I talked to about the tsunami seemed to be most feeling affronted. Annoyed. Not because of the senseless destruction but pissed that a UN official said the US wasn't doing enough. Hundreds of thousands dead and an insult is what matters. |
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to me, true cynicism dictates that the only way you're going to get anything done is through pop culture and simplification. who are people more likely to give money to? - a pop star who says "people are hurting, write a check", or some blathering psuedo-intellectual who makes the problem sound insurmountable. not long after the tsunami happened, other countries started running the numbers on america: they were too slow to respond, the don't give as much money in relation to population as, say, denmark. and then publishing articles with charts and headlines like "americans are stingy!" everybody started making the tragedy about themselves. |
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For fuck sake, if you don't like what a charity concert stands for or who is performing or whatever, don't watch it, don't bitch about it. No one is forcing your hand to give money or watch it. I am sure if I studied it more (where the aid was going) then I might feel more cynical about the whole thing myself, but my cynical views do NOT mean that those people don't need or deserve the aid. |
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Novak flips out on TV |
did you read his last column? http://www.suntimes.com/output/novak/cst-edt-novak01.html ogreface is flailing. |
that's rich. |
but this CNN thing is a little freaky. they were talking about katherine harris's senate run. carville was basically calling him a pussy, so he stood up and walked off. everything i've read talks about the whole valerie plame thing. i don't get the connection to this event. i mean, sure, ed henry mentioned the plame thing after novak had left. but, as a joke? it was a total non-sequitor. or, not as a joke. as a way to keep it in the papers? i need to drop the daily show and watch nothing but foxnews. wouldn't it be so much nicer to be afraid of the specter of terrorism rather than the evil brotherhood of media and government? |
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i guess i can see that. it is viable, but seems rather unlikely. i mean, if he knew he was going to have to do something that was going to lower his integrity just to get out of answering questions about plame, why not just skip the gig? or, even, tell ed that he wouldn't be talking about it? i mean, if they had the discussion before hand, he must have given the thumbs up, you think? |
every media outlet that day connected it to plame. if it is a loose theory, i would think you'd see less of it in the mainstream media. especially if it is a "liberal benefiting" theory. then again, it is a "media benefiting" theory. considering novak is all but blackballed from anything that isn't owned by the reverand sun myong moon. |
uh..... you sure? http://webpages.charter.net/dan-doug/foxnews.html |
I just dont see what else it can be. Novak and Carville have said far worse things to each other... Novak had just written a column, where he specifically stated his lawyers had advised him against it, where he's now making up some bogus claim that he got Plame's name from a book called "whos who in america". and theres apparently a big copy of the book on the newsdesk... what else could it be? it seems obvious to me he just got sick of it, and realized he'd dig himself a bigger hole and piss his lawyers off. as for the stern walkoff, it could have been an excuse, it could have been CNN cueing him to leave to 'protect' one of their employees, except Novak's an idiot. who knows. but i'm sure if the reason for leaving wasn't directly Plame related, the reason he got upset so quickly is indirectly Plame related. something as simple as stress? |
my point about novak is, if he knew about the plame questions ahead of the time, why would he enter into it knowing he was going to walk off? why not just avoid the whole thing altogether? and then, since it is obviously speculation as to why he walked off, why was it, in all these inverted pyramid news articles, headline and first-paragraph connected to plame (implying he walked off after being questioned about plame), and third or later paragraph (or not at all) revealed the content of the current conversation was harris and the plame connection was speculative? it just seems spun against novak. keep in mind, i think the guy should swing next to rove for acts of treason. the media just freaks me out more and more every day. i need to abandon all hope. maybe put a period after my name. |
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just looking for an excuse to post that link. "my point about novak is, if he knew about the plame questions ahead of the time, why would he enter into it knowing he was going to walk off? why not just avoid the whole thing altogether?" he's an idiot? "speculative?" without a proper explanation for his behaviour, speculation by the media is warranted, stating it as fact is not. |
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besides, it was just the left's general acceptance of the scientific basis for the human root of global warming as undeniable fact. and the idea that anything we can do could reverse it. |
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