Citizen Kane


sorabji.com: Worst movie you ever saw: Citizen Kane
THIS IS A READ-ONLY ARCHIVE FROM THE SORABJI.COM MESSAGE BOARDS (1995-2016).
By Timothy the Goat on Sunday, March 15, 1998 - 11:15 am:
    Well, maybe not WORST, but certainly most OVERRATED. What a steaming heap of maniacal egotism! Welles should have had his large, smug face slapped for unleashing this pretentious heap! His "old man" scenes were some of the LEAST convincing ever captured on celluloid! And what in the hell is going on with Joseph Cotton's accent? I've seen this cluttered clap-trap 3 times now, and it gets WORSE with every viewing!

By Alluvium on Sunday, March 15, 1998 - 01:18 pm:
    Timothy - Iagree wholeheartedly. Welles deserved his fate as a commercial huckster selling wine and frozen peas, and making appearances on shitty sit-coms. How that porker ever managed to bag Rita Hayworth is beyond me.

By RobinK on Sunday, March 15, 1998 - 04:00 pm:
    You two must be a couple of IDIOTS! You don't know ANYTHING about cinema!You've got no business offering your opinions about anything! Piss off!

By SpaceyChick on Monday, March 16, 1998 - 06:34 pm:
    You're insane!

By Alluvium on Monday, March 16, 1998 - 07:01 pm:
    Hey, you want to talk insane? Let's talk about Orson Welles. The "mirror" sequence in "The Lady From Shanghai" was practically a signed confession of a severe multiple personality disorder. Never has a filmmaker (with the possible exception of Fassbinder) so thoroughly documented his neuroses on film. I believe that's one of the key reasons for Welles' popularity - people see their own mental illness reflected in his work.

By Dez ravioli on Tuesday, March 17, 1998 - 04:20 am:
    I MUST CONCURE, WELLS WAS OVER-RATED,THE
    VALLIDITY OF 'CITIZEN KANE' DOESNT EVEN COME INTO PLAY WHEN IN THEORY, IT WAS DOWN HILL FROM THERE. I MEAN WHAT WAS UP WITH HIS COMPLETE OBSESION
    WITH TRYING TO FILM THE WORKS OF SHAKESPEAR...IT HAD ALREADY BEEN DONE TO DEATH
    ( HIS 'OTHELO' WAS TRITE AT BEST......)
    AND HIS FILMING 3RD RATE B MOVIES TO FUND HIS SHAKESPEAR JONES ISNT ADMIRABLE,ITS JUST PLAN
    EMBARASING. AS MARLYNA DETERIC ONCE SAID TO HIM IN A MOVIE (THE 3RD MAN?) ' I'D GO EASY ON THOSE CHOCOLATE BARS'
    WHATS IT MEAN? I'M SURE IT'S A METAPHORE FOR SOMETHING, BUT I DONT CARE ENOUGH TO MAKE THE CONNECTION..........DEZ RAVIOLI

By Edward Van Buren on Tuesday, March 17, 1998 - 08:16 pm:
    Orson Wells, as many people are unaware, fathered a girl with a Las Vegas hooker. The girl , who's given name was Janet, later added an 'e' to her last name and completely changed her first name. A star was born, and the pornography industry was never the same. God bless Orson for fathering the beautiful and sex-driven...Tori Welles. Thank you Orson.

By Nick Cuadra on Friday, March 27, 1998 - 09:18 am:
    Does anyone else remember Orson's afternoon TV show from the mid to late '50s, "Horsin' With Orson"? He would make prank phone calls to unsuspecting folks, show old cartoons and critique them (he HATED "Little Roquefort" cartoons!), and he had a cast of puppets called The New Mercury Players that would do skits. It was a great show. If anyone has any episodes on tape, I'd love a copy.

By ShaftWizarD on Friday, August 14, 1998 - 04:26 am:
    Let us all remember how old this movie is. You can't judge it against todays movies. You have to look at it as if you lived back them. ONly then will you realize how skillful and talented Welles is and how great this movie was.

By Jim aka PajamaBoy on Friday, August 14, 1998 - 08:33 pm:
    I'm so glad I'm not alone in hating this movie.

    Shaft Wizard, I agree there is a time and generation gap, but there are so many other GREAT movies from that era that far exceed that dumb tale.

    Since the list of 100 greatest films was American, my favorite movie of all time in any language is Sergei Eisenstein's "Battleship Potemplin." Now, THAT is cinema at it's finest!



By
Markus on Monday, August 17, 1998 - 04:29 pm:

    Eisenstein was one of the early geniuses at yanking emotional responses with the then new art of cinema. In many ways I prefer his Peter the Great to The Battleship Potemkin; and get a load of that battle on the frozen lake from Aleksandr Nevsky. He was immensely influential to later filmmakers; the baby carriage scene alone was repeated in scores of movies, from great epics to such classics as Naked Gun.

    Leni Riefenstahl was indebted to Eisenstein, and turned out some pretty kick ass stuff herself cinematically. It's not a coincidence that many of the filmmakers who most understood the medium's power were propagandists; it merely means they're being more honest about their profession than Spielberg, et al. The only difference is one works for the state and the other for monetary gain. D.W. Griffiths can be seen as one link between the two camps.


By Jim aka PajamaBoy on Monday, August 17, 1998 - 07:19 pm:

    I can't believe I typed "Battleship Potemlin." Ugh. What a maroon!


By Liam on Tuesday, August 18, 1998 - 04:09 pm:

    Spank.


By PetRock on Tuesday, August 18, 1998 - 10:05 pm:

    Thank you Liam....I had forgotten my disciplinarian duties....


By Jim aka PajamaBoy on Wednesday, August 19, 1998 - 10:15 am:

    May I please have some more, Sir?


By You May Call Me Master and Lick My Boots on Wednesday, August 19, 1998 - 12:50 pm:

    Quiet you....not another word till I say so. Got that???

    (oh, I think I'm starting to enjoy this....heh heh)


By Liam on Wednesday, August 19, 1998 - 02:08 pm:

    No, you may not have another because I think that you are enjoying it too much and this will only encourage more double postings.


By Liam on Wednesday, August 19, 1998 - 02:10 pm:

    No, you may not have another because I think that you are enjoying it too much and this will only encourage more double postings.


By Jim aka PajamaBoy on Wednesday, August 19, 1998 - 05:08 pm:


By Jim aka PajamaBoy on Wednesday, August 19, 1998 - 05:48 pm:

    Damn! There went any chance for that message sounding dominant. LOL


By PetRock on Wednesday, August 19, 1998 - 09:44 pm:

    It does lose whatever effect you were trying to achieve, doesn't it? LOL.....


By Jim aka PajamaBoy on Wednesday, August 19, 1998 - 11:00 pm:

    It sure as hell does, PetRock!


By Liam on Thursday, August 20, 1998 - 12:34 pm:

    I agree the message lacked a certain tone, but I still appreciated the link. :)

    Which reminds me of a story. Some friends of mine have built a million dollar home in the hills and in the process they have installed a complete dungeon. Not surprisingly the cost of the house has gotten out of control and now numerous so called essential projects (i.e., the kitchen) are on hold. Not to worry though, funds have been located to pay for the central air to be extended into the dungeon. I guess they don't want those slave boys to get too hot down there.


By Jim aka PajamaBoy on Thursday, August 20, 1998 - 11:21 pm:

    Liam, man, you gotta come to DC so we can hang out.


By Liam on Friday, August 21, 1998 - 12:54 pm:

    Love to. Don't know when I'll be back there though.


By Jim aka PajamaBoy on Saturday, August 22, 1998 - 08:26 pm:

    You sound like a cool guy. Doesn't he PetRock?


By PetRock on Sunday, August 23, 1998 - 03:01 am:

    especially since they now have the central air for the dungeon :)

    a lovely man though....honestly!


By Jim aka PajamaBoy on Sunday, August 23, 1998 - 09:26 am:

    See, Liam, you gotta hop on a plane and head to DC.


By Liam on Monday, August 24, 1998 - 01:02 pm:

    Thank you two for the nice posting. I wish I could think of something witty to say here but I can't. I heard an okay joke though.

    What did President Clinton say to Monica Wilensky when he spotted her at a cocktail party?

    My, that't the loviest dress I've ever come upon.

    So so joke, but my 70 year old uncle told it to me which in and of itself I found kind of funny.


By PetRock on Monday, August 24, 1998 - 10:44 pm:

    :-)


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