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when will the politically-obsurd-correct in this country quit? I could claim offense when they sing the fucking national anthem at sporting events or the fact that "god" is printed on our currency. pick and choose your battles wisely muthafuckers |
Anyway, I can see that a song is nothing to get upset about. But then I wonder. I like to point out that people can be "too sensative" or "too PC" sometimes too, but right this second I'm wondering where the line is drawn. Why is it so obsurd? Because YOU think it is? If it's offensive and hurtful to someone else, then don't they have the right to speak up? Of course, I don't remember any blatently (or even subtly) racist lyrics in the song Dixie...am I wrong? So I understand that there are extreams in everything, but I'm wondering where they are, and why it's so fashionable to attack someone who's trying to speak up against an injustice? (even if it's just an injustice They perceve and no one else) Just thinking aloud. |
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It's not that he was singing it, it was that he was doing this at a singalong, a situation in which everyone was expected to sing as well. If they were fucking with him for singing in the shower or something, I would say they were wrong, but expecting everyone to sing it was a little insensitive. I would have just spoken to him, but resolutions are how lawyers handle shit. |
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gimme a fucking break. why do you care, anyway? better yet, what do you know? you'd be hard pressed to find a lot of black folks in this country that would sit back and put up with that shit year after year. god knows i wouldn't. i'd tell the old glory windbag to just shut the fuck up. pretty much the same way i'm telling you to just shut the fuck up. damn. |
note the article said.... "other songs, including the "Battle Hymn of the Republic," which is similarly associated with the North during the war." A lawsuit in California in the last year or so was brought about because a particular white couple had their initials put on their license plate. The women in particular, her initials? JAP. The local Japanese anit-defamation league sued the DMV successfully. Someone WHO so fucking offended at a license plate wasted all this energy because of ONE car that they will probably never see again and because the couple happened to have those initials. Why don't they sue Nabisco for putting out a product called Nips, or better yet what about Johnson & Johnson's "Spic & Span". Another example, a video store in a Vietnamese neighborhood put a poster of Ho Chi Minh. The local Vietnamese community protested for weeks, disrupting business, telling him to go back to Vietnam. He even got assaulted and lost business. The protest I see is a total violation of his rights and the the rights of the private property owners in that shopping center. But the pussy shopping center owner caved as well and tried to get him evicted unsuccesfully. The fucked up thing is, despite Ho Chi Mihn's communist, and repressive ways , these people were exemplifying EXACTLY what they left behind. They wanted to silence him, the wanted him to go away because of his beliefs. They couldn't simply ignore his store and poster. I mean shit, I walk by an army navy store and see a Third Reich Flag or a better yet a Confederate Flag, do I portest, hell no. Do I have negative personal opinions of what each of those symbols represent, YES! Liberalism outta fuckin control |
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you said "yeah, i was that only black kid and i grew up fighting most of the way through. can't say i really regret it, because it made me strong as hell. also made me kind of an asshole, but i may have been an asshole by birth anyway, so who knows." so don't sweat it, I understand you reaction |
it's not a video store, it's not a license plate, it's the national bar association. get the difference? jesus. why do i even bother? |
i never noticed that before that's fucking funny |
I DO understand the difference. I don't regard the national bar association any more than I do the any other organization, be it political, social or governmental. I just believe actions speak louder than a memorandum. And furthermore, did anyone ask WHY this fuck felt the need for THAT particular tune? Does he harbor racist sentiments? If so, lets look at who put this FUCK in the seat to begin with. I think we have Mr. Bush to thank for that, or was it Regan? We can't change what the people who run this gov't think, but we can change the people in the gov't to begin with, but then again, I have little faith in our system altogether. |
turn your speakers WAAAAYYYYY up! http://members.aol.com/tadsg/abbitch.wav |
http://cnn.com/US/9908/11/PM-BRF--PosterFight.ap/ |
oh yeah, I don't think there should be personalized license plates. |
Let's examine these things in terms of individual freedom of expression. Judge Rehnquist: As far as I can tell, you are claiming that the American Bar Association was infringing on Judge Rehnquist's individual freedom of expression. The problem is that that behavior was not private, nor was the resolution a private reproof, because, when Rehnquist used an American Bar Association event to get people to sing this song with him, he exceeded the bounds of private behavior. Essentially, what the resolution said was, "The American Bar Association does not endorse "Dixie" or what it stands for." Had he sung the song at a private party which *he* organized, then it would be private behavior. He was not told "you can't sing this in the shower." He was not even told "You can't sing this in front of your house when you're mowing your lawn" He was told "You can't use our forum to sing this" As for posters in store windows: A store owner has the inalienable first-amendment right to put anything he/she damnwell pleases (so long as it conforms to local standards of decency) in his/her window. And people have the inalienable first-amendment right to protest. And, if enough people protest, the store is going to lose customers. What you are essentially advocating is freedom of expression for bigots only. License plates: I really don't know what to make of this...chalk it up to bizarre, unfortunate coincidence. And please allow me to address your "poor martyred white boy" complex. White males hold all the money, all the power, all the privilege. It's such an injustice the way you're forced to own everything, and hold all those difficult high government offices, and how you're denied your God-given right to be targeted for hate crimes. In short, I have no sympathy. |
What I am acvocating it the personal expression of every member of THAT organization. "And, if enough people protest, the store is going to lose customers." Yes you are right, but what happened in this scenario was 300-500 people congregated in a PRIVATE shopping mall parking lot and impeded, not only the business of the shop owner, but other shops in that shopping center. That parking lot IS private property for customers, NOT protesters. People who tried to patronize the video store had eggs thrown at them and a few were even assaulted. THATS BULLSHIT. Protest all you want, but you have no right to interfere with anyone's business in that partcular manner. uh......"What you are essentially advocating is freedom of expression for bigots only." wrong again! I am advocating the freedom of expression of ALL! "'poor martyred white boy' complex.'" i won't even acknowledge that shit! "White males hold all the money, all the power, all the privilege." i will not deny this historical statement, nor will I deny the relavence this has today. As far as I can see, I am not RICH, I do not have any more POWER than you, you and you and whatever privaleges that may or may not be extended to me, I have no knowledge of. Tell me what ARE my privaledges and power since you seem to have me pegged. "It's such an injustice the way you're forced to own everything, and hold all those difficult high government offices, and how you're denied your God-given right to be targeted for hate crimes." what he hell are you taling about? better yet, WHO are you talking to? NOT ME! I don't own shit, except books, records, camera's, a drum kit and kitchen utensils. I don't own my house and I don't own my car. Bottom line, people are RESPONSIBLE for their actions, and THEIR's alone. Like I said, if this "sing along" was such a detestable act, then the convention hall would be empty. I certainly don't condone or support this behavior, much less the damn song but I just feel there are more important things to be putting one's energy to. thats all, bottom line |
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Fuck the French. I think the next song they sing at the NBA should be: "Say it loud, I'm Black and i'm proud..." Like to see that old fart rehnquist shake his bootie to that. as for skewering white males, the only target left in a P.C. world: Waffles is right. the majority of white males are not rich, powerful or priviledged. it just so happens that through a quirk of history dating back to mercantilism and European seapower in the 15th century, that the upper classes in European-settled countries are white males. Believe you me, it's not because Bill Gates was born with a dick and a need to absorb Vitamin D through his skin that he's become so powerful. He took advantage of some fucked up rules in our culture that say white guys get a better shake than anyone else. Actually, we do seem to be moving towards more equality, but it appears that the cultural momentum from the old ways (white male dominated) is still going, and probably will take anther generation or two to settle down and fade away. By then, hopefully, our oppressors will be nice and multi-cultural. |
However, what I was pointing out was that the "poor little white boy" trip has recently been discussed far more...so to speak...exhaustively. And anyone online has a computer, or at least access to one, and the training to use one, so Waffleboy is better off than most, economically. |
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What in God's name are lawyers doing singing anyway? That is so silly. At a national conference no less! Get down to business you fools, save the singing for the hotel parties later. It goes better with the hookers and lamp shades anyway. |
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Anyway, the property owners of the strip mall in question were too pussy to do anything about it. They sympathized with the protesters. If they didn't, the peeps may have withdrawn business for the whole shopping center, which would hurt he property owners directly. One store being protested is better than a whole shopping center, from their view anyway. If they wanted to at any time, they could have the protest moved to the street,or sidewalk. which is indeed public. It may vary from city to city. But this instance, I am 99% percent positive. Actually Lucy, I was able to afford my computer in one shibang cause I used to do sales for a hardware distributor. I payed about 1/3 or what the general public would. Plus, I have access to a computer 8 hours a day. In otherwords, it ain't THAT big of an indicator of my social staus. |
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Christianity was a radical doctrine about acceptance of difference and social struggle, until about the end of the first century, when it became accepted by the Roman Empire. Read, *Adam, Eve, and the Serpent*, byt Elaine Pagels, for an excellent analysis of this. But, well, success destroys every movement. |
Why don't you put aside your nice new car for one day, take the bus, and find out how many people there know how to use a computer (I have no illusions that you will actually do this) Why don't you just find out how many of them you can even communicate with (I doubt you would feel that you have any reason to learn Spanish). Then check the local community listings, find out what kind of computer training is available to the poor. Find out what kind of computer education is available in the public school system. You might want to look into ESOL classes, too. You will find that there are enough resources to serve only a tiny token proportion of the population, if there are any services at all, and that those services will be damned near impossible to access without a car, or money, or free time during the day shift. Computer skills are pretty much indispensible if one wishes to make much over the shamefully low minimum wage that this country allows (if one can find a job at all). The fact that computer education is available only to those already wealthy, or at least middle class keeps the poor poor. If you will just venture out of your little upper-middle-class white-anglo-saxon-protestant world, you'll find that, not everybody in LA has access to a computer, or even knows how to use one, or even speaks English. Not to mention the world at large. The US has the largest class gap of any industrialized nations, but some of the US puppet governments are worse. Read Noam Chomsky's *The Common Good* for more info on that. End round one of Lucy's speil on computer skills as class indicator. |
We should be afraid of the Far Christian Right. (as in Aryan Nations, not just your mild mannered conservative folk). We have every right to be afraid of them, they are scary individuals. They want to kill people they don't agree with, bomb abortion clinics, get laws passed or pressure communications to not let you see what they don't want you to see. Well, I am afraid of zealots that tell me what I can and cannot say by enacting laws or encouraging civil lawsuits, who curb animal testing by blowing up labs, who stop logging by spiking trees. I am afraid for a populace that will gladly hand over constitutional rights (the right to bear arms, the right to free assembly, the right to free speech, the right from illegal search and siezure) in order to absolve the populace from the responsibility that freedom brings. Freedom is a responsibility to each other, to take care of each other without having to be told how. Our society is squandering it by murder, intolerance, and greed. |
"Why don't you put aside your nice new car for one day, take the bus, and find out how many people there know how to use a computer I have no illusions that you will actually do this" You don't know me. As a matter of FACT, I do take the bus to work about 2-3 times a week. Sometimes I ride my bike. My wife rides the subway. Upper middle class???? Again you don't know me so don't act like you do. Our income would put me and my wife into lower middle class, maybe middle, but only barely. "I doubt you would feel that you have any reason to learn Spanish" and by saying this, you some how interpret I am not in touch with the lower class?? I don't learn Spanish because it's not on my agenda. I don't learn it anymore than I need to learn fucking French. My other interest occupy my time. If I had the time, I would learn all kinds of language. Just because spanish speaking folk occupy a lagre portion of the populus here doesn't mean I somehow NEED it. I have never had a communication problem in that sense. "If you will just venture out of your little upper-middle-class white-anglo-saxon-protestant world, you'll find that, not everybody in LA has access to a computer, or even knows how to use one, or even speaks English." Please Lucy, you seem to have this conclusion that I am rich boy from the hills with no knowledge of the lower class or that i am completely out of touch. My neighborhood profile: mostly latino, middle to lower working class families. I grew up on food stamps only I didn't find this out until i got older. I paid/pay my own way through school. Mommy did not buy my car. I didn't finish college. I learned computers through the jobs I have been fortunate to attain. I have never had any formal training with computers. I am self taught. Seriously, I am finding that similarities in your jump to conclusions here much like you did in the small pecker/antigone/violence thread. Leave me out of it if you are going to continue to jump to conclusions. Next time, ASK me how I get to work. ASK me what my neighborhood is like, ASK me what income bracket I would fall into. And as far as speaking english goes, well I have little sympathy for those who come here and don't speak english. I admire those that make every attempt to melt in this big pot. Do I feel any kind responsibility for that? Hell no. Do the french/chinese/japanese or whatever give a rats ass that the poor little american in their country speaks Japanese? I doubt it. And before you go off on a Chomsky tip, I know who he is and I have read several of his essays in regards to the Desert Storm "War". Really stop preaching to me like you know me. You don't. |
Ironically, I think I heard report recently that stated that black lower and upper middle class families didn't have or use computers as much as their white counterparts. I am searching for more on this information |
"Computer skills are pretty much indispensible if one wishes to make much over the shamefully low minimum wage that this country allows (if one can find a job at all)." Read these links and you will see it is not so black and white. There are jobs and there are resources to learn computer skills. ITT, Devry and community colleges offer extremely affordable classes if one wants to learn. I spend all of $70 for two classes at the local community college each semster. http://cnn.com/TECH/computing/9906/28/intern.idg/ http://cnn.com/TECH/computing/9901/27/newcomer.idg/index.html http://www.people-press.org/tech98sum.htm |
furthermore ..........fuck you! I don't identify with this and I am not sure what gave you the impression I do. The only thing in that phrase I can identify with is WHITE. talk about white-anglo-saxon-upper-middle-class, let's talk about the demographics of silicon valley. You have more of chance to fall into this category than I do. Do the liquor stores in your neighborhood have signs saying they will accept food stamps. Does the bus service your neighborhood? Do you have bums sleeping on your street or rummaging through YOUR trash or recycling bins? I live in a very eceltic neighborhood. Just next weekend we have our annual street fair. It brings everyone if the hood together for two days. The types of folks you'll see, mostly latino lower middle class families. You will also see a lot of younger artists-types, there is also a large gay population in my neighborhood. You see next to echo park, silverlake is close to downtown. This scares most of the people in the rest of LA, which is fine, let them keep their suburban values and SUV's on their side of the city. |
You seem to be attacking each other a lot. It went from criticism of these people's actions to a lot of argument about each other's racial backgrounds and positions. It seems to have become a thinly veiled racial/wealth/religion slam. Is it still Bigotry if you're prejudiced against the majority? Come on, people. You've stopped making sense. And Waffles... Settle. |
!%@^%! !$@%!$ &^$:"$$&@ settled |
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Taking the bus 2-3 days a week means either you only have to work 2-3 days a week or you have a car. Either way, it doesn't mean you're poor ( and please give me a plausible explanation for your decision to voluntarily take the bus in LA, which has a terrible public transit system) I take the bus every fucking day. Oh, right, "mommy didn't buy [your] car" You have it. Or do you mean "mommy didn't by this car". I don't have a car. I have never owned a car. I don't have depth perception and I have never had that kind of money. I don't have a computer (I did once, but it's in Baltimore, and I can't afford to have it shipped out). I don't currently even have a fucking phone? Fuck you, have you ever starved? Have you ever been homeless? I have a roof over my head and three squares a day, largely because I did have some advantages in my childhood. I got a scholarship to a good high school (and got beat up by the rich kids while the administration looked the other way)...got exposed to computers... took out student loans...ran out of money midway through college, but I know how to use Excel and Word, and I learned the rest through jobs. So, your parents used food stamps once, and didn't tell you, and you think that's proof of your blue-collar roots? You're worse than a fucking politician. Did the cops ever come to your house when you were five? (my parents still won't tell me why) As for the jobs that you were "fortunate to attain" Firstly, the only way you can get a computer job with no experienc is that you knew the right people. That is a major part of white/upper class privelege. People tend to socialize within their class/ethnic groups and give jobs to their friends. And, as for the easy availability of computer classes: A. Those are all net references, for which you need net access and the knowledge of how to use the net. NOT EVERYONE IN THE WORLD HAS THESE THINGS. B. $70 can be a lot of money. You would not know that, never having experienced it, but it can. There was an entire summer when I ate because the neighbors gave us tomatoes. I still have periodontal damage from the malnutrition. I have some of the same advantages in this country (at least in terms of the way that most people perceive me)...whether I like it or not, but I am conscious of it and try to use it in constructive ways (like being seen in protest marches), rather than counterproductive ways (like bitching because I'm stereotyped as someone who has money just because I have a car and a computer, friends in the Industry, and a coke habit) Oh, and the whole "I have never had a communication problem in that area" line. Of course you haven't. You have never in your life felt a desire to speak to someone who does not speak English. Otherwise, you would have experienced a communication problem (I have a communication problem because my accent is funny after years of disuse, living in Baltimore, which has a very small Latino community) And, in answer to your question, yes, I am emphatically trying to say that you are not in touch with the lower classes because, as I predicted, you felt that you had no need to learn Spanish. Do you know even one person who does not know how to use a computer? Answer that honestly. Not, "I know this waitress" not,"my maid" not, "the janitor at my work" Anyway, this is beside the point, which is that, never having been a minority (even if your mother used food stamps once and couldn't buy you a car like all your friends had), neither you nor I has any business whatsoever judging people for being offended by something that neither one of us can begin to understand. |
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Status Quacity as right, whoever it may be. Probably Mark or someone who doesn't have thier head up there ass to get caught up in this bullshit, including myself. This thread started as bitch that was really over something insignificant. I can admit that. As I said before, you don't know me, you don't my life experiences. Your seem to be caught in something else that has you making these imflammtory and judgemental remarks. I am done with this thread. |
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If this were a sauna, Lucy'd be the one who kept throwing the water on the rocks. Chill out, friend, if you spent half the time you do being politically active into actually trying to understand the other person's perspective instead of trumpeting that yours is superior, you might learn soemthing as well. |
Perhaps I shouldn't have brought class into it, however, I was similarly flamed by R.C. for a discussion not even related to race. (the thread was called "rants" and it appers to have disappeared. And I didn't say anything R.C. didn't. And R.C. didn't get flamed. And may I remind you that our aggrieved poor little white boy is not the first breakfast food to complain about the accommodation of minorities. The only difference between R.C. going off on me and me going out on Waffleboy, and the only difference between Waffleboy and Oatmeal boy is level of tact. |
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raving lunatic who called everyone who disagreed with him a "nigger" and made every possible attempt to deliberately incur the ill-will of everyone present. Waffleboy defends his opinions, and does so without calling anyone any names. Hardly comparable. |
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And I'm the one making it personal? And R.C. never got flamed for that particular thread. Nor should she have. She was right (albeit off topic, but that can hardly be held against her here). It seems to be a sympathy for white boys fan club. What I am trying to say is that, all of a sudden there is a white male joke for every thousand jokes about minorities, which is, I hope, the beginning of the end of white privelege and white males are (predictably) complaining about it like it's the greatest injustice ever. Wilson even compared it to the Holocaust. I usually like Wilson, but I don't agree with him on this. |
i rarely even bother with any of that shit anymore. it's not worth the energy expenditure. especially not this thread. the comparisons he tries to draw are totally incongruous, and the whole "freedom of expression" argument is just amusing. i don't even get the logic. rhenquist should be free to sing redneck battle tunes but black lawyers shouldn't be free to express the fact that it pisses them off? why? because the whiteboy thinks it's insignificant and "silly". pfffft. that shit just irritates me. maybe somday waffleboy will understand that he has no fucking place trying to tell any black man (or anyone else for that matter) what he should or should not find offensive because waffleboy has no idea what it's like to grow up black in america and he'll never have to deal with the psychological impact that constantly fighting (both literally and figuratively) taxes you with. and the black lawyer's association sure as hell doesn't need his help coming up with their agenda. waffleboy, if you're reading this, let me give you a little heads-up. you've often written about how much you enjoy coming to NYC, especially brooklyn. i don't know where in brooklyn you hang out, but i sincerely suggest you leave that psuedo "enlightened whiteboy" attitude at home. you step to certain brothers with that "pick and choose your battles wisely, motherfucker" shit and you could easily end up on the wrong side of natural selection. anyway. i'm done. at least the kid has half-way decent musical taste. |
I didn't really have time to refine my point, though, as I was posting from the library, which was closing. Yeah, did kind of go off on him, but nobody who can afford a coke habit like his is really broke (it's one thing to do coke, it's another to host coke parties for your friends in the Industry). Call it the straw that broke the camel's back. Call it Mercury being in retrograde. Call it me being my usual tactless self. Well, anyway, Swine's right. |
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This is not to be confused with a real chocolate soda, the kind at a soda shop. It's been so long since I've had one, I can't even remember the ingredients. Two times in one morning talking about chocolate. This is not a good sign, I...must...have...chocolate. |
Swine, my people live in Greenpoint/Williamsburg. Believe me I don't walk around with an air, preaching to people about how they should act or what they should find offensive. It may surprise you but I don't really care that much despite what I might say on this board. There is a scene in a movie that is relative to the point I was UNSUCCESFULLY to make. Movie: Do the Right Thing. The scene in which the girl who plays Spike's sister is talking to the guy who wants to boycot the pizza joint. She tells him how pointless that it is to protest something that will have little impact, that he should be putting all that energy of his to something more effective. I will admit that this situation with the old wig and his sing alongs was not the most founded. In fact, it wasn't an issue. Niether side of the case made an issue of the matter. It was simply an article in passing. I never speculated how his actions might effect black lawyers involved. I spoke for myself. If I were a black lawyer, I wouldn't take part in the situation. I don't deny that the judge was inappropriate. Another example, gays in the military.......as much as I beleive they certainly should have that freedom, I have to wonder why a gay man or women would WANT to be part of that institution. If I were black, the last thing you would find me doing is serving this country when THIS country hasn't done shit for me. But thats my feeling, and that has to do with my lack of patriotism. And Lucy, please, I haven't flamed you across the boards, I made mention of your tongue lashing, which you did do, and I commented on your comparison to me and Oatmeal. I didn't attack you personally and I don't plan on doing so. Thats not my style. However, YOU DID attack me personally, and that shit ain't right, you showed you ass on that. And finally, I DON'T Have all these big connections in the industry. I don't know what the hell you are talking about. FYI, everyone in this town has something to do with the industry in one way or another. Just because they are my friends doesn't mean I GOTS THE HOOK UP. My friends lead a modest life, they aren't rich by any means. I only know one or two rich dudes, and they are people I know enuff to shoot the shit with in a social setting. So PLEASE GET OFF THAT tip as well. |
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You mean you're not going to sacrifice your husband and children to Satan with us? Awwww.... Well, me and Hillary and our band of degenerate high school teachers will bring you over yet. 10% is not enough! Recruit! Recruit! Recruit! |
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at all there shows,I have the same pin Lucy,thats where I got the expression,given to me by the same guy that gave me a roach clip that looks like a penis. |
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anyone here remember those weird "flavor straws" . . ? you would use them to slurp up milk but the straws had a flat center in them of strawberry or chocolate flavour. really weird. just ate a (butter) plastic cup of raspberry jam. |
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dip me in honey and throw me to Drain sth. Then have someone scrap my grinning corpse off the pavement later and made into chocolates. |
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NAACP to try to narrow the 'digital divide' By PAUL SHEPARD Associated Press Writer NEW YORK (AP) _ To help bridge the ``digital divide'' _ the gap between white people and blacks and Hispanics in access to the Internet _ the NAACP and AT&T will partner to create technology centers in 20 cities that will provide computer training and Internet seminars. ``The technological segregation known as the digital divide must be narrowed,'' NAACP President Kweisi Mfume said Monday. Toward that end, Mfume announced that through the program AT&T will provide hardware, software and on-site support for technology in the centers. ``The centers will be open after the school doors close so parents and children can learn computer usage together,'' Mfume said. ``The old and the young learning together will help reduce that divide.' ' NAACP spokesperson Sheila Douglas said that outside of Baltimore, where the NAACP is headquartered, locations of the other 19 sites are yet to be determined. The project will cost approximately $300, 000, she said. Ameritech Corp. and the National Urban League announced last week they will spend $350,000 to build five new Internet community centers in Aurora, Ill., Cleveland, Detroit, Indianapolis and Milwaukee. And 3Com Corp. said it will spend $1 million in donated equipment and training in 10 cities to help teach students to be computer network engineers. Last week, a Commerce Department report, ``Falling Through the Net,'' said the disparity on the Internet between whites and black and Hispanic Americans is growing. The report found about 47 percent of all whites own computers, but fewer than half as many blacks do. About 25.5 percent of Hispanics own computers, but 55 percent of Asian-Americans do. Asian families also are most likely to have Internet access, with 36 percent online. The report also found a child in a low-income white family is three times more likely to have Internet access as a child in a comparable black family, and four times more likely than a Hispanic child. Most troubling for government experts were indications these disparities can't be blamed solely on differences in income. Among families earning $15,000 to $35,000, for example, more than 33 percent of whites owned computers, but only 19 percent of blacks did. That gap has widened nearly 62 percent since 1994 despite plunging computer prices. Mfume also announced a new national campaign that could involve lawsuits against entertainment industry giants to end the scarcity of black characters on television shows. The newly formed NAACP Television & Film Industry Diversity Initiative will monitor how well the entertainment industry reflects America' s multi-cultural base. Aside from calling for congressional and Federal Communications Commission hearings on licensing and ownership of networks, the campaign could initiate lawsuits and boycotts of advertisers, Mfume said. Using the dearth of minorities in upcoming fall shows as a touchstone, Mfume said the NAACP is studying whether or not to file suit against the four major networks for violating the Communications Act of 1934. The act says the airwaves belong to the public, and Mfume argued there is a ``virtual whitewash'' in new programming since none of the 26 new shows slated for the upcoming fall season have minorities in featured roles. ``This glaring omission is an outrage and a shameful display by network executives who are either clueless, careless or both,'' Mfume said. CBS President Leslie Moonves called the NAACP's concerns ``relevant and extremely important.'' Moonves said in a statement that 11 of the network's 19 entertainment series broadcast this fall would have minority characters ``in a primary role.'' Network spokesman Chris Ender said one new show this fall, ``Now and Again,'' a drama, would feature a black actor, Dennis Haysbert. COPYRIGHT ASSOCIATED PRESS |
Oh, you're still defending your blue-collar roots. And it looks like you're willing to sacrifice your argument to do it. Ok, Waffleboy. You're living from hand to mouth and deserve our sympathy. I have already conceded this point, as it seems so important to you. You still have a computer. Per the above article, your access to a computer has a lot to do with your race. And racism still exists in the distribution of the media of the day. Which was a large part of my point. |
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So Lucy you think this information here is due to a racist subplot, racist computer resellers? How is this explained? |
Inequality of computer education. Inequality of loan availability. Inequality of opportunity for computer-related jobs. It also has a lot to do with the fact that poor white people know middle-class white people. Segregation and connections provide an inequality of availability of below-market hardware and the sort of entry-level computer industry jobs which you credit with providing you with your computer skills. (and a computer is not much use without the skills to use it or the likelihood that it will lead to a good job, which makes a person less likely to spend limited resources on one) And,if you will recall, this was a discussion of racism and racial inequality before you went off on an offhand remark. |
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"Inequality of computer education"-how does this happen? "Inequality of loan availability."-I will conceed this may be a possibility, but last time I noticed, credit card companies who solicit by phone or mail have no clue what race you are, nor do they care..but physically walking into a bank and asking for a loan is a diff story.. "Inequality of opportunity for computer-related jobs."- How is this? speculating that white people have more "connections" as to why lower mid class whites have computers and their black counterparts don't is just silly to think of.........and last i checked in my situation, blacks had the same opportunity to obtain that compter sales job that I got as anyone else. I actually got the job by faxing my resume over for a warehouse position and they called me about a sales job...my race was not defined on my resume so obtaining that job had nothing to do with race........Compter sales jobs ar all over the place here in SoCal....anyone with a passing interest can get a job selling hardware to retailers. I got the job b/c I knew what a mouse, keyboard and monitor was and I showed extreme drive to learn....thats it! I think if anyone who demonstrated similar qualitites could get a job, companies are desperate for sales people......on all levels....Race, sexuality or hair color have nothing to do with it. It just blows me away on how you scapegoat everything by race, sex or income......i just don't think it's black and white (no pun intended)....you seem to have the typical american "us vs.them" mentality that dates back to the "Manifest Destiny" concept in American history and has managed to proliferate for 200 years in the minds of Americans. I don't deny the variables you mention may have a part in the grand scheme of things....I dunno, i wasn't intending to get back into this with you, I just finally got the email back from a friend who had a copy of this press release.....I was hoping you would see having computers/internet is not necessarily due to income......whatever |
Oh, and I loved the comment on the "us vs. them attitude" Your committment to absurdity is a tremendous benefit to the cause of racial equality. Rhiannon, I didn't say he was evil. I just said he was overreacting. |
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Let's all go to the fair. Let's all go the the party. I'll be the one with green hair. See ya tonite! |
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1999 is a whole lifetime ago. Sarah, are you on the beach yet? tell me how it goes with two toddlers on the beach?? |
tons of pot daily and taking pictures of his naked ex-wife and girlfriends every weekend he sure was uptight. 2010 waffles response to that 1999 CNN report of then Supreme Court Justice William Rehnquist leading a group sing along to Dixie at a Bar dinner is would be something along the lines of 'who gives a shit." In so many ways I was just like trace and lucy which is pretty fucking creepy. |
i spent this weekend with the anorexic, substance abusing, possibly bordeline, little sister of my first boyfriend (spend is loose because she was in the hospital.) she says she drank rubbing alcohol, dr. said she had kidney damage. yesterday she took a train back to the boyfriend who dumped her on me when she was broken (non-responsive.) i told her that if she went to him before getting treatment that i would no longer be available to her (her family was waiting in michigan.) my thoughts afterward: the person isn't borderline, the situation is (in other words, the pathology is not in the individual but in the group.) but what do i know, other than i am glad i didn't marry him. |
Sorry about spending the holiday weekend the way you did, and I am glad that Patrick is back. Has anyone heard from Droopy? His absence is the longest I can recall. I spent the past week or so on the beach in AMI...except for three days chained to the bathroom for penance in food stuffs or something. I had not been this sick since my last (and first) bout with dysentary some 39 years ago. Avoided the beach, but voided everything else for three days. I'm glad you didn't marry him too. Family drama is not a good thing. I didn't marry her family, but maybe sometimes it feels like it. |
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sporting a newly colored doo and that even more apparent (at least from the pics ive seen) is that she is just like mom and dad (or so it seems anyway) and that gives me a mixed bag of hope and reservation about my own girls. |
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turned out a good 'un, Agatha! |
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