I've seen it twice on this site in the past month. What does it mean?

Like clusterbombing, except insert the words, "head fucking" for "bombing"

clusterfuck is one of my favorite words. It means that shit is just all fucked up. I don't know if you play guitar but there are cords that go from an electric guitar to an amp. one of these can get pretty knotted up. get two together and your liable to be entering clusterfuck territory. three or more and the entanglement will almost guarantee a total clusterfuck.

I did a search on clusterfuck,and it came up with a bunch of group sex sites,but don,t you go there Crawford.

here in sunny portland, i refer to a lot of traffic congestion situations as "clusterfuck". as in, "i tried to take 33rd avenue home, but it was just one huge clusterfuck".

But Mavis,it's still better than riding the Death Trolly.

So...should I use clusterfuck to describe groupsex? or traffic jams? Or mouldy jam? or maybe perhaps it's really just an abstract term that could be applied to almost anything

if you have to ask what it is, you'll never know. i think that swine may have caused a little confusion when he referred to a recent thread as a "clusterfuck". when it was actually a circle jerk.

I was asking more for a rhetorical cause...and...yeah.

thats one of the grumps favourite words. He usually uses it on people. 'you're such a clusterfuck'.

i rather like the death trolly! nothing like it! actually, i just started commuting by bike, so no more death trolly or clusterfuck traffic for me.... actually, i just thought of another time i use the term clusterfuck--when all of my housemates are in our tiny kitchen at the same time.... so, zephyr, i guess i only use it to describe traffic or density....the term i prefer to use for group sex is "my lucky day!"

i prefer to use the term "eat my fuck" when it applies. oooh but eat my clusterfuck sounds more catchy by far.

So I guess my definition was way off base.

I believe the term originated in the Military. I think this is probably true after working for the last year on an Army Post. The person who would know is Markus. Where the hell has he been? I hereby resolve to use the term "clusterfuck" more often in my line of work.

Me too. That and "eat hot fuck."

i love eat hot fuck. very descriptive. makes you think. i love shitass too. creative cussing rocks.

Clusterfuck........ nice one. Bloodybuggery is my favorite, along with SOD OFF. Bollockschops ranks up there too.

Those all work quite well, but when you happen to exist around anti-british people, that kinda thing can lead to an ass-kicking. or being clusterfucked by pumpkin-headed midgets

actually, one of my personal favorites is DUCKFUCKER!

cockknocker. cockknocking bastard. piece of fuck. and the all time classic, dickshit.

you have midgets there too huh? bunch of weenimongers. i use "jesus fuck!" on occasion but it pisses most of the baptists off.

imagine.

there's lots of baptists here.

"Jesus Fucking Christ!" "Oh, go hide the fucking hamster!"

Ever stolen a midget?

I clusterfuck with midgets.

yum.

im a midget in a clusterfuck.

finger-lickin' good!

ummmm I don't want to be the one to spoil the party but i think they're known as vertically challanged these days. poor bastards. I saw this porno once with midgets. couldn't sleep for days afterward.

Vertically Challenged Wild Clusterfuck Adventure. Part 2 and a half. With Ferrets.

i'm mildly aroused.

l'm here representing Clusterfucking Midgets for Christ...is this the right room?

Quit talking about midgets! I'm an inch over! Please! It took years of standing up straight to be over the height of a legal midget. Bah!

I like those midgets that are all buff like they've been working out. little arnold scwarzenegger midgets. like whose ass are they gonna kick?

Non-buff midgets' asses.

Dwarfs?

dwarves are wussies.

what about that bitch on the smurfs who was all beefed out. what was his name? beefy smurf? no. brawny smurf? was that it? i hated brainy smurf. and what about the fag smurf vanity smurf. what a flamer.

i dont remember a beefed out smurf. you're insane.

remember he had the tattoo on his arm and everything. the chick smurf always had the hots for him. he had dumbells and workout gear lying all over his mushroom house.

But the thing was, he looked pretty much like any other smurf. Why oh why do I know that?

yeah, but he acted all bad ass....

No, dwarves are different than midgets. For some reason I don't recall. Maybe it's just because dwarves get a comission from dungeons and dragons.

the smurfs did really suck. i mean what was i doing watching that when there was quality bugs bunny on? and that old guy always had a bandaid on his knee. like it never healed. bet he had a heal of a scab on that bitch.

Smurfs were messed up.

remember that smurf ice cream though. wow. it was like raspberry blue with marshmallow chunks in it. the shit fucking ruled. haven't eaten ice cream in a while. i wonder if they still have that.

yer right. there was a beefy smurf. dammit. this is gonna bother me now.

his name wasn't beefy smurf though. should've been but wasn't. maybe because that was around the time those burger king "where's the beef?" commercials were so annoyingly popular. i think it was brawny smurf, but something about that doesn't sit right either. my favorite was that goofy smurf who was always giving people presents that blew up in their face and then he'd run away laughing his ass off. something i'd do.

the strong one was Hefty. the one with the presents was Jokey. for god's sake.

Wendy's had the "Where's the beef?" commercials not Burger King.

thank you both. i was to busy memorizing the lyrics to Beat Street when I was 10 to get my smurf and fast food facts straight. it was fucking Hefty. i was right about the tattoo bit though right?

yes hefty had a tattoo, damn if i remember what it was, and smurfette had a piercing, you would never get to see it, family show ya know!!!!

tell ya what. for a cartoon, smurfette wore a pretty short skirt. not to mention those "fuck-me pumps". big nose though. and her voice was very annoying. valarie from scooby-do. now she was a hotty. plus her skin wasn't blue.

There wasn't a Valerie on Scooby-doo. There was Velma and Daphne. Daphne was the hot one. As for creative cursing, I like "muppetfucker."

never underestimate the stockpiled sexual prowess of a nerdy gal in glasses---- Velma was the hot one----Daphne was the obvious one.

Pigfucker is always a good one.

snotnosedmotherfuckingasslickingcocksuckingdickwad, all in one sentence. Says it all.

i prefer "reagan-suckler". and Hefty Smurf had a heart with an arrow through it. GAAAAHHH!!!!!! Out of my HEad!!!!!

i've never met a girl named Velma who was hot and that bitch from scooby doo is not exception. she was all dumpy with those glasses and that ugly ass orange sweater. never snapped the radish thinking of Velma. now bugs bunny dressed up like a southern belle...

I thought Velma was some sort of hemorrhoid cream.......... or boil buster.

don't get me started..... actually i thought velma was some kind of cheese.

I wonder what happened to all my smurfs? I even had a smurf house.

you mean a mushroom?

Velma came by with a butt full of hemorrhoids and blasted that sucker to the ground. Then opened up a cheese factory. Velmaveeta.......

Velma clusterfucked the smurfs as a parting gesture. Nice Lady that Velma.

Now if I remember my smurf history correctly, Smurfette was The first and Only female smurf...right?? And if so, who was hefty carring a torch for? You don't get a a heart and arrow tattoo for no reason!!!!

looking back, there was all kinds of fucked up shit going on with the smurfs. Hefty was all bad like he was in the navy or something. who's navy was that bitch in? and how come grampa smurf was the only old one? i'm glad that shit isn't on any more.

Ha! I think that there's a revival of bad cartoons from the 80's going on, what with Dungeons and Dragons and all...

I was tripping on acid one time and turned on the tv and there was a bugs bunny marathon on. not a loony tunes marathon but a bugs bunny marathon. every cartoon had bugs in it. he's my boy. i thought i'd died and gone to heaven. only bummer was i didn't see the baseball one. you know where at the end he climbs up to the top of the empire state bldg and throws up his glove to catch the ball. love that one. pitcher-bugs bunny, catcher-bugs bunny, 1st base-bugs bunny, 2nd base-bugs bunny. good shit. i don't think i got to see the abracadabra/hocus poscus one either. did see the jack and the beanstalk episode though.

there were two "regular" female smurfs. Smurfette and Sassette. Sassette was one of the young smurfs.

I hated bugs bunny. And most other wb cartoons.

That was the new Smurfs tho, when all these little kid smurfs showed up out of no where. And in the begining wasnt Smurfette created by Gargamel for evil purposes?

evil sex purposes.....

I remember watching a porno called "little american maid" the first time i took acid. I couldn't look at a penis for weeks.

smurfette was created by gargamel. funny isn't it. the only woman created by the evil being in order to trick the smurfs. not until the head smurf (none other than papa smurf)felt that she was worthy of being a true smurf did he use his magic to transform her. if you want to talk about gender issues, you talk about the smurfs. jesus fucking cartoon bastards. we have the bible telling children that women are evil then we have the cartoons telling the same story. to embrace my inner evil i am going to be smurfette for halloween.

How's this for cartoon action? http://www.brokersys.com/~lowtec/froggy/

I have a faint memory of another female smurf being created by Gargamel. she was only in it for one episode. I could be wrong.

Man, i don't have shit on you motherfuckers. I couldn't remember Hefty smurfs name much less Gargamel and the fact that he created smurfette. I just thought smurfette was around from the get-go. Gargamel. good name. maybe i'll be Gargamel for halloween. i do remember that Gargamels cats name was......Azrelle. or however you would spell that. my cats name is maceo. not really.

You made my morning,FB."RUBBIT"

Azrael. The name of one of Satan's minions.

pretty scary. Czarina you're making me nervous.

Actually, judging by the name a fallen angel. But, yeah, at least according to the stuff I've read a major demon. Speaking of the war(s) in heaven, I just watched The Prophecy III. Boy howdy, did it suck. OK, Prophecy II was worse that Prophecy I which wasn't that great. But Prophecy II had Russell Wong (super hottie) and Walken tossed off a lot of pithy anti-human one liners (rock the house). Prophecy III had a really lame main bad angel. Also, if angels don't have free will, how can they be outside of grace? How can they have internecine struggles? Unless the will of god is a will divided...in which case how can one achieve unity with the godhead through the submission of individual will to grace? St. Augustine, I have some questions for you. Am I manicchean or pelagian? Eh? Have you seen these movies, Hippo boy? Logical inconsistency or theological inconsistency, what's your best guess?

Margret, I sent your post to a friend of mine who studied philosophy and she says: "OK, Spider, here's my 'it ain't late, but nonetheless the old white matter ain't functioniing at full capacity so don't ask me to make excuses for my ignorance and general lack of ability it's the summer give me a break when i have work to do' reply (i jest of course - i do need an excuse for the mistakes i am bound to make here): > "If angels don't have free will, how can they be outside of grace? "What does the author mean by 'outside of grace?' Are the angels outside of grace? What does this mean, anyway? Also, the angels *do* have free will. So what is the point exactly here? > How can they have internecine struggles? Unless the will of god is a will divided...in which case how can one achieve unity with the godhead through the submission of individual will to grace? "The angels are not of the same nature as humans, but are pure spirit. Since they have perfect knowledge, there is no second chance for them once they make a choice, since they are completely cognizant of their options and thus can give full and total consent, unlike ignorant, embodied human beings. To my knowledge, the angels, right upon being created, were given the option to worship the One who had given them being, or to turn away from the One. The angels who returned thanks and praise to God remained with God. Those who turned instead to self-worship (which is living a lie, and preferring a good infinitely inferior to God) received the just punishment for their choice - they turned away from God, so they were cast out of His presence (which state is hell). "Now, it is evident, upon further consideration into the matter, that the initial free choice to worship God or not to worship, is the fruit of a mystery. It's very difficult to understand *what it is* that *causes* the free being to choose the greater or lesser good. This becomes especially apparent when considering the angels, who were (well, are) in the very presence of God and were able to know Him. Since the angels are acquainted with God, and can see clearly and distinctly that He is the source of all good, how could they *knowingly* choose to turn away from Him? This is why no one in the faith says that evil is comprehensible, or even that freedom or free choice is easily understood - evil is one of those great mysteries, as is the origin of freedom. Yet it makes no sense to do away with them either. > St. Augustine, I have some questions for you. Am I manicchean or pelagian? Eh? "If the author thinks that humans can be good and do good without the aid of God's grace, then the author is a pelagian. If the author thinks that there are two equal and opposing forces in the universe - evil, which is characterized by darkness and matter, and good, which is characterized by light and spirit - then the author is probably a manichean. However, the question was addressed to Augustine, so forgive my cutting in here. > Have you seen these movies, Hippo boy? "What movies are these? I don't know if St Augustine is interested, but I'd like to know what they are. > Logical inconsistency or theological inconsistency, what's your best guess?" "It's hard to say, since I haven't seen the movies. Based on the above, it seems to be a case of theological inconsistency. More accurately, just plain theological error. It often happens that human beings project their own properties onto the beings that they study. It sounds like the author was thinking about angels in human terms, rather than taking into account that the angelic nature is different. Then again, logical errors seem to be in the woodwork also. For instance, it doesn't make logical sense to hold your cat morally responsible for ripping up your favorite chair with its claws - your cat isn't capable of what you're capable of, so it doesn't make sense to expect the same type of behaviours out of your cat. Your cat is of a different *nature* than you. Similarly, angels are of a different nature, so the way freedom operates in them will be different. "Does this help?" What do you think?

i have a headache now.

Will y'all look at the title of this thread? I like angels,got them all over the place.I think I'm manichen.

jesus....... help me find my proper place jesus...... help me find my proper place did anyone see that news program this week ABC "The Search for Jesus" with Peter Jennings.......? seeing as how i never got any churchin as a boy and i have generally rejected any christian teachings as an adult, i learned quite a bit about the various gospels, the new and old testament and the inconsistancies within. What was more interesting was the lack of major prime time advertisers. I was pitched items like Miracle-Gro, The Garden Weasel, Adjust-O-Matic Beds and extra long promos for the network. I suspect many major corporate advertisers didn't want to touch that spot with a 10 ft pole.....cowards. I did notice that Johnson and Johnson had a spot and at the end they hurridly tacked on "Johnson and Johnson a family company". What a bunch of pussies. It was an informative, objective journalistic news show.

i don't think the advertisers are necessarily cowards for not advertising during a jesus show. they jsut don't want to be typed as a religous company by any means. that shit ain't as popular as it once was. i work for a scientific agency and we're not allowed to voice our opinion on anything to anyone while representing the agency. even if it's obviously wrong. the reason being that if we are to maintain any sort of respect and recognition we have to remain known as an objective source. once we take sides no one will take what we say as unbiased any longer and we'd be fucked. so maybe they had a reason for the ten foot pole. personally (not representing "the agency") i think corporate-america-please-sell-us-something-we-don't-need sucks.

i suppose i have the ability to infer that advertising during a journalistic program about christianity does not necessarily indicate one way or another that company's position on the matter.

of course. you're not a dumbass. but maybe subconciously you'd make some kind of connection the next time you're in the grocery store between pop tarts and jesus christ. Nabisco can't have that.

Theres a doco on tonight about US Skinheads. I wonder who will be advertising in those breaks. The promo looks interesting but scary. Last week I watched a doco on the cast of Diff'rent Strokes. This weeks one is on the Patridge Family. We get Prime television in this country I tell ya, Prime. not.

Spider, thanks fer asking. Umm, the thing about the movie (and the book by Anatole France re the revolution in heaven which causes me to wonder after this) is that the revolution in heaven is supposed to have come after the creation of humankind. I realize that metaphysics and physics cross paths here because it is not possible to know whether angels and the godhead experience time/space the variety of ways humans do. But there is an implied temporal linearity in the angel Gabriel's liberal use of before/after. In any case, the revolution has to do with the love of god for humans and the gift of free will. I'm taking grace to be the unity of the human will in god's will through the submission to the divine and the abdication of free will. I was playing with that whole manichean/pelagian thing. I'm clearly Albigensian. The Prophecy, The Prophecy II, The Prophecy III. Must sees, sort of. Ok, not really. But the first one's kind of cool, and it has Eric Stoltz in it.

The Search for Jesus? I didn't know he was lost.

He took a wrong turn on the road to Damascus.

No, I'm right here. Please allow me to introduce myself. I've been lurking on this board for a while, and can't say I like a lot of what I've seen. Needless to say, some of you should be worried about your distant futures. In the meantime though, love thy neighbor, and don't forget to wash behind your ears.

let's see some i.d., buddy.

I'll show you mine if you show me yours.

Hurrah! Jesus! My favourite dead guy! We love Jesus. Jesus. The Freshmaker. Jesus...It's stonger than dirt. Jesus. Makes Mouths Happy. Where do you want Jesus today? Jesus...Melts in your mouth, not in your hand! Be safe, Be strong, Be Free! Choose Life And Follow In the Footsteps of Jesus Christ for the Ultimate Salvation! What WOULD Jesus Do? (anything that walks?) Ok, enough of that garbage.

Waaaaiiit a second...I didn't know Jesus had 'net access!

Yeah, netzero.net. Because it's "Free Internet Access FOREVER." By the way, my name's pronounced HayZeus. My last name is Rodriguez. Also, I didn't take a wrong turn on the road to Damascus, I missed the turn to Tijuana.

By the way, I never said I was the son of G-d. Y'all were just wetting your panties thinking you had been blessed by His presence. Hasta la vista suckas.

I don't find that amusing, Senor Rodriguez.

Shut the fuck up you twits.

Well, it's been a pleasure meeting you, heyzeus, but you weren't the saviour I was looking for.

Hey nobody mentioned that Chito Pet, the one with the grass or whatever growing out of its head. That one deserves a place in history. Think I will buy a few for the Boners that I know. I suspect Jesus had a say in that little guy!

I think its chia pet. not chito. i want a chia pet of that guy klinger from m.a.s.h.. except the grass grows out of his back. that motherfucker has the hairiest back i've ever seen. like George the Animal Steele wrestler. i'm glad i'm not super hairy like that.

you can email the Saviour at; jesus@subgenius.com He runs the amil order and business side.

mail order, sorry

So all this religous stuff popped out of whether smurfette was a feminist mormon? And being poppa smurf was a lott better than; say being zithead smurf (better to be first than #101!)

I dont care if it snows or it freezes i'm safe here in the arms of jesus. I've found Jesus - he was behind the couch the whole time.

Hurrah! Thank you, Moonit! Now we can all be saved! Jesus, Is it true that you enjoy moshing to the sound of herd of Dwarven Cobol programmers engaging in vicious sexual torture of chickens and sheep in a breadbox, after the dwarves had snorted several lines of yak dandruff?

I don't care if it rains or freezes...long as I've got my plastic Jesus...sittin on the dashboard of my car...

ha. Hurrah. That word takes me back to Enid Blyton books - the Famous Five, the Secret Seven..... Hurrah Julian, I'll do the dishes while Dick and George take Timmy for a walk. Anne was such a pathetic girly girl. No fun at all.

I loved Enid Blyton books - thanks for the memory.

Margret, are you still there? My comrade replies: ">I realize that metaphysics and physics cross paths here because it is not possible to know whether angels and the godhead experience time/space the variety of ways humans do .... "i'm pretty sure that Augustine has a lot to say about this - angels, and the relation to time - but, unfortunately, i havent read it. i know he says that God completely transcends time, that time is 4-dimensional (metaphysical eternalism), and that he defines time as an extensionless point where the nonexistent past meets the nonexistent future, that time is a distension of the mind (and not really real, in the common sense of it). now that i'm looking at it, the part about past and future being nonexistent seems to contradict eternalism, but it really doesn't - i guess there's more to Augustine's view than can be discussed here. ">In any case, the revolution has to do with the love of god for humans and the gift of free will. I'm taking grace to be the unity of the human will in god's will through the submission to the divine and the abdication of free will. "ok. this is a very specific definition of grace. rhini, is this how you think of it? the joining of the human will to God's i would take to be a gradual process and not a one-time shebang kind of deal. grace is involved every step of the way. it precedes every good act, every rightly-ordered motion of the will. it is that without which man cannot properly relate to her maker. ">I was playing with that whole anichean/pelagian thing. I'm clearly Albigensian. "weren't the albigensians a sect of manicheans that were just temporally posterior?" Were they? Who were the Albigensians and Manicheans (besides being heretic sects)? What did they believe? What does "temporally posterior" mean? </slackjaw>

Rhiannon your friend reminds me of my friend. Does he know everything? I don't mean that in a sarcastic way. My friend Tommy seems to know everything. Whenever I ask him a question he either knows the answer, or finds out in a day or two. I just wondered if your friend was like that.

No, She doesn't know everything. She just knows philosophy.

Merovingian bloodline Albigensian. I have to go re-read the Confessions now. I never much cared for City of God, but maybe I'll give it another whirl as well.

I was going to cut and paste, but I don't like the way it looks. http://www.orangeblossom.demon.co.uk/albigenes-b.html It is significant enough in its differences from catholic manicheanism (you have to know I love typing that) to merit separate heresy status...you know, like Anglicanism and that Other Christian Faith.