I've got a cheap ass modem and I'm not gonna wait for this thing to keep loading. Is anyone going from the East Coast?

OCTOBER 19-21 NEW ORLEANS GROUP SEX LIBATION EXPERIMENTATION DRUG USE FIREARMS RUBBER PENISES LUBRICATION it's time to test the limits of human behavior.

by the way, this is new orleans thread #3 motherfuckers. go ahead, ignore mine. shit.

Woah, now Nateypoo... We don't want to scare off the kiddies.

Like us "kiddies" don't eat rubber peni for breakfast. Pleeeeeeeeeeease.

Yeah, what she said. I still think there is some prodding that needs to be done, I will sure as hell be there, I've needed a good party for a long time and a 5 day party is even better.

I prefer a well done tube steak,but that's just me.

"I still think there is some penis prodding that needs to be done" Yeah, what he said.

explain yourself

Make me, big boy

*sigh* ahh forget it

cat needs some it's making her cranky

I am incredibly happy and radiant and refuse to get cranky over dumb cliches being dragged out.

too bad. i was hoping for a lovely catfight.

Oh. This is gonna be happy time for you. Penguin! I really just wanna go to see if Nate's all talk.

it is going to be weeeeeeeeeeird. weird is the word of the day, in case you haven't noticed.

all talk how? how have i represented myself?

oooo boy, you're in trouble. . .

ah fuck off.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

you fuck off too.

shut it.

none of you commented on the food. bastards.

you fuck off too, agatha. where on this thread is food mentioned? HMM?

can i fuck off?

Better to fuck off,than be fucked with.

dork.

sploogemonkey

(im so ready to tangle tits with you)

yea bring it on big boy.

Kalli: I am in DC. I posted to the other thread to the same effect. patrick: can we tangle tits too? Everyone: I had my penis sucked today. It's not a rubber one though.

Jim: Hooray for you and your penis! i've been the only one to touch my penis for too long now. grr.

I could say so many things. Damn. Must show restraint. I'll just refer back to this: "By Nate on Thursday, July 19, 2001 - 04:19 pm: OCTOBER 19-21 NEW ORLEANS GROUP SEX" Heh.

i think you should just say what you mean, jim

im pretty shy about group sex. all this talk of it, is killing it. fucking weirdos. i took MDMA friday night. the REAL marital aid. fuck therapy. Eat this shit. Become an amorphous body. The mugwumps start to make more sense, and their jizm too. If i had my way, and money, i'd eat that shit as often as I could.

that really is my plan talk about group sex and it cannot happen hm. maybe small group sex

I'm not fucking anyone....but I'll watch.

if i end up going, i hope there won't be too much p.d.a. that makes me vaguely uncomfortable.

pda?

don't get excited. pda's not a drug. pda = public display of affection

i didnt get excited fucker i just asked what the hell it stood for.

no need to be rude.

public display of assholes

Pubic Dysintary Asssyndrome I'm not counting on any group sex in NO, but hey if it happens cool, if not we'll all just get drunk and enjoy ourselves without it.

i'll not be having sex. no sirree. dave refuses to come. stubborn ratbastard.

tie him up and check him as luggage.

He's just afraid we'll like him.

I met dave. he's nice. he gave me a michelob.

pda = patrick dicks anything dave, get your ass to New Orleans. That's an order.

Someone alert Gee as well.

didn't i teach you folks the rule of dave? if you tell him to go, he most definitely will not. IT'S SCIENCE.

"pda = patrick dicks anything" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA PATRICK DICKS!!!! JAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAH GOD DAMN THATS SFUNNY I DICK ANYTHING!!!!! HAHAHAHAHA INCLUDING YOUR MOTHER HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAH I DICK ANYTHING DAMN THATS FUNNY!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you can do better greasebutt

i hope dave doesn't go. he's mean.

Agatha, I have an aunt like Dave in that sense. My brother's like that too, now that I think about it. I marvel at your patience.

I'm going to have Antigone kick dave's ass if he shows up for being such a prick. I'm going to stand behind Antigone and cheer him on.

he's too smart to go in for that reverse psychology shit, too. a for effort, though!

I was being sincere.

dave's like spider's aunt, with his floral underwire bras and his old lady underpants. i hope dave goes. i want to drink him under the table and then piss on his passed out pussy self.

Dave scares me.

i know you were being sincere, spider. i was talking about "the others." you know, "the others." tbone, did he really scare you? did i?

Dave is a funny bunny sweetlips.

"funny bunny sweetlips" ? WTF does that mean?

i was thinking that same thing.

It means Dave. For Dave's sake, try and keep with the program. Dave you, you ass.

i hope it's australian for big jackass in ladies underwear. that would be a good foster's commercial. wide shot of a big red desert. figure in the distance. slow zoom in reveals teh figure to be dave wearing a floral bra and grandma panties, oil can of fosters in one hand, the lead of a donkey loaded with foster's boxes in the other. australian accented voice over: "funny bunny sweetlips"

some things leave a bad taste in my mouth or my brain or something. you too agatha?

Why would the fact I referred to Dave in a deliberately incongruous and therefore comedic manner leave a bad taste in anyone's mouth? Lighten up. Please. Or go out and breathe more.

whew! i thought she was talking about my dave in lady's underwear imagery! i mean, that would make sense and all.

The sight of a big hairy bloke in grandma panties works for everyone. And the Fosters boxes are always a tasteful addition to any decor. There's no way that could be the "bad taste" Heather refers to.

of course, of course. i am generally wrong anyway. you ladies know best.

ah yes there could be no way majesties and oracles cheers, babies there's only daylight for a little longer even if i have to tear out my spidey-sense with my own little finger

don't do that, heather. your spidey sense is valued.

In answer to your question, agatha... No, you didn't really scare me. Due to some other stuff I was trying to deal with on that trip, I wasn't really prepared to meet 3 kick-ass people like yourselves. That, and I had some weird dave-mental-block and caught myself off guard. Or something. Anyway, I know I came off weird and quiet shy, but I really liked meeting you all. So no, you didn't scare me any more than "new' people always do. But I'm goddamn tired of being weird and quiet and shy. So no more of that. Sorabjifest2001 is going to kick ass.

i didn't think you were weird. i did think you were shy, though. what sort of dave mental block? did the trip end up ok? i'm shy too, believe it or not. sometimes i feel really shy, and i compensate by blathering. i'd rather just be able to be quiet.

word is histronic. but don't stare. i'd prefer not to participate in group sex, but gunnysack races might be fun.

There's nothing for any vicious little spiders to sense here. You're wasting your fangs.

no vicious no fangs spidey ain't about that

I think Dave is a funny bunny sweetlips too. Roll that up and smoke it.

how bout, let's drop it. although, my saying that is virtually insuring that the conversation will continue.

No it isn't! :-P

Christ. Dave's not gonna be there? Well,just fill my ass with a bag of Orville Redenbakers,and set me in the sun. What am I gonna do now? Dave and I are the only 2 normal one's here.He's always been my one tenuous link to,[please forgive me for even mentioning this],the "real world".

spiders sometimes live under rocks. did someone lift up a rock?

i live under a rock. but that's irrelevant. it's spid-eee, SPIDEEEEEEEEE

I live under a mushroom.

it appears a rock was lifted. and perhaps something else got away. spideeeeeeeeee

agatha and dave aren't scary. they're so nice. I just showed up at their house on saturday while they were getting ready for this big feast, and they let me drink their beer and eat their good food and get in the way in the kitchen. agatha's sister is also super nice. we used to have crushes on the same boy. also, she makes good molasses cookies. their house is very old and cute. you all could guess that it's painted weird colors, right? well, having lived almost exclusively in suburban houses, urban rentals, and foreign apartments my whole life, I think anything other than eggshell is weird. they have a gas stove, wood floors, and a beautiful flower garden out front. olympia is beautiful in the summertime. I had a great time hanging out with them. then I went to tacoma for a utah day celebration with a bunch of lawyers. we watched "saturday's warrior" and played "exaltation," an official LDS board game. we ate jello from molds that spelled CTR (explained first as "choose the right" then "corrupt the righteous"). I had a very fine time on I-5 saturday. if agatha and dave scare you, you should talk to your doctor about paxil.

The trip ended up being... alright. I'm still bummed that, due to those same issues, we stood Mavis up. Felt bad about that. My dave mental block... just dumb. Somehow managed to not realize that Dave was dave. I can't explain. Felt dumb. Anyway, I'm better now. I'm off to see my noggin doc in half an hour. I call her my drug dealer. I'll make sure to get the scoop on paxil. I have a couple Paxil note pads... I used to have a really cool Prozac electronic organizer thing too. There are some really crazy toys they'll give you with prescription brand names on them. The oddest was the little dipstick wiper thing with the name of some anxiety medication on it. It was a box with holes on each end with a slitted cube of foam in it.

no paxil. paxil is bad. i'm going to see dave and agatha and cleo and cyst if she comes and if it's ok with dave and agatha and cleo and it will be fun.

you coming up here to washington? I'll be gone for half of august and the start of september, but I'd love to meet up at some point. I may go to san francisco in late september. have to use up that swa credit soon. see you then if I go.

tbone, you aren't stupid, and you didn't act stupid. stop it. cyst, funny you said that about my house, because it was an absolute shambles when you came to visit. all i can see when i look around my house is all of the things that i want to change about it. it drives me nuts. thanks for the compliments, though. sorry everything was so chaotic and the food wasn't really ready and all that. dave is really nice. he thinks that women hate him, and that they give him dirty looks when they walk by him on the street. i have a hard time believing him, i mean, i'm sure some women do that to everyone, as do some men. i remember the first time i saw dave, i thought he had a really calm and centered energy about him. i've heard other women say that about him as well.

Does he have The Stillness? Like, when you sit with him and talk, he seems completely relaxed and at home with himself, and that spills over onto you so you become relaxed and peaceful just sitting with him?

That was even more incoherent and messy than usual. I hope you know what I meant to say. I know a man who has that quality, but it comes and goes with him. When he's got it, though, boy...you never want to leave his side.

it should be early september, cyst. we should be driving through washington on the way home. sounds like might miss you.

home from canada? I'll be back from mexico on thursday, september 6.

Reduce your anxiety by wiping off your dipstick over and over and over. Sounds like fun.

that's a good way of describing it, spider. dave also tends to spiral into depression, so maybe those personality traits are linked somehow. i'm probably embarrassing him now. dave, am i embarrassing you?

Sorry, I was doing my own little spiral there. I'm not sure why. I'm doing a little better now that I got away from work for a couple hours and sat in a traffic jam listening to good music. I was joking about paxil, so's you know. What I did get, however, cost me $170 for a month's worth. Sheeat. We (the doc and I) are gonna have a little talk about other options.

home from the east. via i90. and then south on i5. that might work. sept 6. i don't rightly know how long it will take to drive across the country but i imagine we'll be to washington around 6th or 7th.

Well, I almost said that I imagined that I'd feel that kind of calm being around Christ. But then I knew that would make Dave *really* uncomfortable. Right, Dave?

Nate, stop touching me.

make me.

Bite me.

Please?

That's touching.

Please what?

AGHKH!

hehehe...

AHAH!! WETNESS CUNTFUCK AHHAH!!

Feel the love.

aH. yes. love is very nice. and then i got grounded.

you're not grounded, pez. you're 19.

oh my god. they grounded you??? HA! spine pez...spine!!!

we should kidnap her when she comes to new orleans, and set her up in a new town where she can go out with a guy without getting grounded.

I hope no one from law enforcement is reading this thread. We already have drug use, group sex, and kidnapping mentioned...

Oh,fuck them if they can't take a "joke"!

J is still my hero.

What did they ground your ass for. Hope this doesn't impare New Orleans, otherwise we're going to have to come and kidnap your ass anyway.

We wouldn't "kidnap" her. We'd "assist" her in creating a new, improved, 50% more devious lifestyle. (Fortified with essential vitamins and monkey lovin')

well, if she's grounded now i'd say the chances of her coming to new orleans are slim to none. really, what right minded parent would let their juvie go to new orleans to meet a bunch of strangers?

What right-minded person would go to New Orleans to meet a bunch of strangers?

who are you calling right-minded?! whose a bunch of strangers?!

1) Me. 2) You.

spider, you really should come down and check us out. life isn't about staying in your comfort zone. what's the point? i promise i won't try to put anything in your ass.

1) Please. 2) Please?

i'll take that ass pledge too. not to put anything in spiders ass. are you calling me a stranger spider?? HUH?? HUH???

You know what, my parents don't have a problem with it... Wait my parents don't have a say in it. Oh yeah. Shit.

Right-minded is pretty far fetched, but the other one... well, the root of the word is right on. Well, a road trip of one is unacceptable (unless Apparissus joins me. He very well may.) so I may have to go get her. It'd be a perfect chance for her to show her parents some of the "legal adult" implications.

her dad is going to kick your ass, tbone. he's psycho, you know. he'll attack moving cars.

and, btw: I firmly recommend that Pez DOES NOT attend Sorabjifest2001. This is my official position. Anything contrary to this position is for comedic or theoretical purpose, and should be read as such. I have no intentions of sodomizing Pez.

I ain't got the money, the time, or the will. You do make me laugh, though. But leave my ass out of this.

the will? wft?

SHE DOES NOT WANT TO

1. Our loss. 2. Your loss. There is no winner anywhere. I misspelt "who's" up there and I apologize. I am listening to "Ain't High-Falutin'" by Mojo Nixon though.

have a seat heather. this doesnt concern you.

"he's psycho, you know. he'll attack moving cars." has this been verified? My official position is this: I should never be taken seriously... No matter what I say. Ever. Even if I think I am being sincere, I'll probably change my mind anyway.

yeah she said once before, when she stormed off, he came out and like jumped on her car as she pulled out.

(1) my parents never have a clue about my love life. (2) the reason for grounding was not telling them where i'd be, and not calling when i was out past one am. (3) my dad didn't jump on the car; he punched and kicked the window and then sat on the hood. (4) i have a nose for trouble, don't i?

no, your parents are assholes and make trouble. you havent done anything anyother 19 year old would do. you are 19 pez, they CAN'T ground you, thats absurd. whats really bothersome, is the cycle of dependency they have thwarted on you. why haven't you gotten your own place yet?

alas patrick you are right is 19 juvie? sorry about your dad, pez. i had one too. one like that.

19 is not juvi, the only diff between 21 and 19 is insurance and drinking. Pez, you are an adult now, up and move out. Come out to college here in Montana, beautiful country, wonderful people, always something to do, and if you like some outdoors ITS EVERYWHERE. If you don't its easily avoidable. That and its really easy to make friends here. You'd like it here. And guess what, this is one of the benifits I love, no parents around to ground you or say NO or anything else.

i haven't gotten a place yet. portland is an expensive place to have a home. "low" rent is classified as around $300... about a quarter of my monthly income. maybe more. my parents seem to have the impression that i'll buy the car from them and drive around. no way. car + gas + parking + insurance + repairs = way too fucking expensive if i plan to live on my own. i almost don't know what to do. they want to control where i go, who my friends are, where i live and how i live and so on. there are times that they seem realy supportive, but that doesn't last very long and they seem to have the impression that i can find a place to live even if i have no time to look. i like to spend time with james because i don't have to worry about any of that stuff around him. he understands about writing and friendships and parents. i need to find the pdx pop email list, hopefully that'll help me with some leads.

19 is juvi when you are able to be grounded. don't be grounded, pez. do what you want. let your parents kick you out. you're planning on getting out anyway.

i guess i balk at breaking threads and leaving the secure space of my home. i'd have to go without so many things. when i move out, school prolly won't be an option for awhile. i enjoy taking classes to a certain degree, but paying for my own schooling is easy to make one burn out. i don't have a lot of backbone, i'll admit. the loss of backbone was once a defence mechanism, but it certainly isn't helping now.

it's just the first step that scares you, maybe? do something drastic. don't think about it too much, just do it. put yourself into a completely new place where you have no choice but to deal with the consequences and reap the rewards. you can become an adult in a month. really. maybe you should tell tbone to drive you back to montana instead of home after new orleans. start fresh.

$300 IS VERY CHEAP pez. Portland is VERY cheap. and your rent SHOULD be about 25% to 30% of your income, thats normal. Im not sure what part of town is cool...but i jsut scanned the Oregonian classifieds and found numerous 2 bedroom joints for under $600, they all appear to be on the bus lines. see http://www.oregonlive.com/homes/index.ssf?/cgi-bin/realsrch.cgi With a room mate thats about $300 and some change (for utilities) a month. thats absolutely nothing. you can do this pez....by all means. You parents controlling nature must stop.

"secure space of my home" your parents have imposed this on you. I cant imagine lossing spine ever to be a defense mechanism. nonetheless. jsut think pez....imagine having a place all of your own. a place to walk around naked in if you please, your own cats, your own music, whenever you want, your own cabinets full of whatever you wish, your own bathroom. im sure nates right and the first step is scaring, but all it takes is a little UMPFFFFFF and you're off. If you want support, find a good girlfriend to move in with you to a two bedroom place. once you do this, you'll wonder what the fuck took you so long.

My mom was like that, sorta... not the weird violent part, but the I-will-control-your-adult-life part. She tried to ground me for the very same reason. Fortunately she's not the yelling type, so I sat her down and explained that she can ASK me to let her know where I am and such... But she can't MAKE me. She can only kick me out. But I knew that the issues were about her dealing with me growing up and moving out, so it was safe to say these things without some sort of back-up lodging and no income. I moved away a couple months later. My rent was a quarter of my monthly income when my girlfriend lived with us. Now it's more. (I can't afford it for long this way, but when we get another roommate, it'll be fine again.) If you share a larger place, rent usually goes down. I have a cheap car, (that'll be paid off in a couple months)... I have a cell phone and I eat enough. When I behave, I don't have money problems. School loans exist because college students can't afford to live and pay for school simultaniously. You can do it, if you want to.

Yeah, kiddo, just do it. Your parents will be mad at first, but they'll get over it. It's their problem, anyway. Moving out is not as scary as you think it is. The water in the pond is never as cold as you think it will be. Whoooo, I sign my lease today! Holy mother of God, I can't imagine paying $300/mo for an apartment. Maybe I should move to Portland after I'm tired of DC.

they'll probably still help you for school anyway you should finish school

pez - pretend you're going to move out only temporarily, just as a trial. drop out of school if you have to. then after a couple of weeks on your own, you will realize that there is no other way to live. then you will figure out how to make it work with school or whatever else you need to do. pretend you're only moving out for three months. tell yourself that, that you are going to try it out. plan to go back to school winter quarter. you can't stay in boring forever.

sorry if we seem to be harping pez....but we are insistant for a reason.

Hey, there's always the option to transfer to a good school that's far from home.

That might be the best choice, actually. It concedes a bit of control to your parents while allowing you to experience living on your own, and you also have a psychological cushion for yourself. If you start your transfer applications now, you might be able to move to a new school next Spring.

Hey, I've got an idea. Rhiannon, you can convince pez to move out. pez, you can convince Rhiannon to come to New Orleans. That way we'll all be content. Hmm? Hmm? Whaddya think? :-P

No. I'm being motivated by altruism. :Þ

bribery?

you guys. pez's parents live far enough away from portland that if she were to live in the city, that would probably be far enough. portland is a good, friendly city for someone to start growing up in. she can live there without a car. she will find many people who share her beliefs. she won't freeze in the winter. I've been to a lot of places, and I can think of no better city than portland for her to move out on her own to.

She should move to friendly Tijuana.

Rent is really cheap there, I hear.

If you want friendly, how about Disneyland? I'm thinking the Magic Castle. I always wanted to live there.

Rent is cheap here in Montana. You could live here and go to college, AND you don't have to worry about the car issue because people here bike and take busses anyway. TBone and I drive because we drive volkswagons and well we are symbols of the comunity with our vastly outdated yet superior cars.

$300 bucks pez, live in my basement room. that's open to any of you, actually.

are you charging 300 bucks? cause that's what she doesn't want to pay. go to montana. have hal and tbone drive you around.

in their outdated yet superior volkswagons. yeah, pez. you can live in my third bedroom for free if you keep house. and pack me tasty, healthy, vegetarian lunches 5 days a week.

$300 canadian, heather. that's $1.75 US. i think she can make it ;)

shit nate, does that come with bong hits? I'll pack your lunch with personalized notes everytday damn

sure man. no one in my house ever finds themselves in need of bong hits. it's the santa cruz mountains for chrissakes.

Disclaimer: The opinions expressed by hal on this program do not necessarily represent those of other VW-driving Missoulians. I was checking some local listings and found a little 2-bedroom house for $425 a month. I checked it out. Cute. Big trees. Less than a block from the University. Or... App and I need a third. $250. And you can paint your room any way you like.

For $1600 a month you can live in my house in Missouri, amass equity, and have four bathrooms and a large garden and an empty hottub. I'll live in the basement and cook and clean for you. No bonghits, but all the organic vegetables you can stand, a weight room, and 217 acres of woods (my neighbors' not mine) surrounding you. A deal. Go to Webster University for $17,000 a year too, Only a thirty minute drive. No busline in the boonies. I'll throw in aol for nothing. Seriously, good luck in your choices. Nothing is ever so bad that it could not get worse tomorrow.

you can get a two bedroom/two bath apartment in my bldg for $1400. Balcony with a great view, and a mailbox. thats it. oh and laundry facilities that eat quarters.

for 475 you can live next door to me in one room in a flat shared with 4 other people. complete with kitchen and one bathroom. no living room because they've all been turned into bedrooms and for that one you'll have to pay 650. plus utilities. laundry is 6 blocks away.

For $450 I get a small living room, a small kitchen, a bathroom and two bedrooms. No A/C. though. But I do get all the spiders I want!

not ALL the spiders you want [heehee]

Ew.

dorks.

HA HA! for $2000 my co-worker is living in a small loft in a converted walnut factory.

He must be "nuts".

that's 'dork' sem. there is just one me. and it was just a joke, dammit, i couldn't help it I JUST COULDN'T!!!

that's 'dork' sem. there is just one me. and it was just a joke, dammit, i couldn't help it I JUST COULDN'T!!!

oh. look what i did. silly.

dork.

that's better

i guess i've been spoiled the one room i've investigated was in a punkhouse. $140 per month, practically a discount if you brought a cat with you. wait....$250 a month?!?!

i guess i've been spoiled the one room i've investigated was in a punkhouse. $140 per month, practically a discount if you brought a cat with you. wait....$250 a month?!?!

Yeah 250 a month move here, live with TBone and App, paint the room up. And its a good location too.. Or we've got a room opening up at my place $270 a month Your room is your personal space, no one comes in without your auth, and rarely do they do it anyway. I'm having a DSL installed next month, we have a kickin front porch, Washer/Dryer, 2 bathrooms, a cellar, less then 2 blocks from the river, a quick walk to downtown, awsome roomates.

dont expect to accomplish much in a punker house.

It would probably be dirty, too. Ick.

Richmond is by far the cheapest living I have ever experienced. Ryan and I are moving into a new place in two weeks that runs 725 including water and gas. And it's nice!!! Annnnd splitting that is only 360 a month. Pez..it's totally fucking scary moving out, but once you do it, you've done it, and you'll never ever regret going back. There's something to be said for independence. Hey, I'll move in with Nate and you can take my place. Only if he promises to let me spank his booty once a week.

ooh ooh booty spankins'.

What's a punkhouse? My house has a 9-foot ceiling. Well, the main floor does. The upstairs has that sloping right-under-the-roof ceiling. I've had the place all to myself for a good chunk of the summer. Big porch in front with skychairs, small one in back. Our trees produce little spiky balls. Within very short walking distance to the Orange Street Food Farm and The Good Food Store... the two best places I know of in town to get the good stuff... Organic stuff, veggie/vegan stuff... I think I've been ruined on apartments. At least Montana apartments anyhow. There's a ghost in the attic and a monster in the basement. The ghost is nicer than the monster. Our neighbors don't say the name of our landlord. They spit it. But we haven't seen nor heard from him since the day we first looked at the place. He said no pets, but his ad said maybe... and he'd honestly never notice. I don't think he ever went upstairs to realize that the previous owners had painted odd pictures and stick figures in one room. We've got a pretty decent DSL line, no cable tv or even rabbit ears, but we do DVDs and VHS. Any one of you can move in with us. We don't want to have to move. All terms open to negotiation. Pictures available upon request. Except Hal can't. I wouldn't want to both work and live with anyone. Are you sold or what? Someone? Anyone?

i'll have to think about it, but the idea of not living with parents is pretty tempting. it would be sad to move away from pdx though. i'm within an hour's drive (rush hour) from the hospital where i was born. always have. so i guess that's one reason why i balk at moving to another state. but if you'll send me pictures, i'll think about it.

Nostalgia for the hospital where your were born is keeping you there? Damn, I work in hospitals and if you've seen one, you've seen 'em all. I'm sure there's a perfectly fine one by Tbone.

You just stated the reason you need to move, pez.

Why do you want to live by the hospital that you were born at?Is it so you can return yourself?

Kick me in the balls while your at it TBone. I don't want to move in, I'll get my own DSL, and my own Sky Chair, and my own DVD player... I don't need you, *sniff* *sniff* I understand I do. Fucko.

a punk house is a house in which anywhere from 4-10 punkers crash. its usually a chaotic mess, bands usually play shows in the basement (or wherever), the cops usually have it on their weekly radar but otherwise can be a great place to retreat to. I had many friends in "punkhouses" that i escaped to in high school, but i could never live in one. the ones i hung around were usually older kids, the "old school" punks in town...Trevor, Bear, Worm and the others. Saw many great shows in the basement, a stabbing and other messed up fights. Other punk houses where friends stayed were more mellow, but still chaotic. I need peace and calm where I live. pez its clear your hesitant, and intimidated, and even scared. i would advise you stay in portland. just get out of your parents house. in a time like this for you, the familiarity of Portland and your friends will be an asset until you gain the necessary confidence and knowledge. like every one keeps saying, once you are out, you wonder what the fuck took you so long.

it's not the point that i can visit the hospital. it's that this area is my home.

i think a whole other environment would be better. remove the option of running back to your parents when things get tough.

punkhouses are dirty. no environment is better than portland. I'd rather live there than barcelona, my second favorite city.

Parents away, come live us in the mountains Pez.

why do you guys keep pushing her to come live with you? If i were her id start to get creeped out with your insistance.

self-serving altruism, to get to be the one to turn pez's life around? this is so dumb. she knows what she needs to do. but it's kind of cool to have your parents to blame for not letting you do what you want, for constantly interfering, for treating you like a child, for sitting on the car they want you to buy, for scoffing at your vegetarianism, for claiming you on their taxes so you don't get your own refund, for forbidding you to grow up. it can be sort of relaxing to credit your misery to someone else. it assuages any guilt you may feel about not doing something with your life or at least about not having a good time. I kind of get it.

exactly it's hard to see when you're the one doing it

ouch, cyst. if nothing else makes her up and leave, that paragraph just might.

it's an annoying hobby of mine to try to see things clearly and then express them plainly. it's a wonder I have any friends at all. but the ones I have come to me when they want a true and honest opinion, which can be a rare thing. now that I'm looking, I recognize the blamers in everyone, including myself. I spent nine years getting my bachelor's degree because I knew once I got it I would no longer have an excuse for fucking around. I didn't want to take the responsibility that comes with having no reason not to be doing something worthwhile, not to be happy. I think pez is like most of the rest of us in her complaining/not doing anything. and her stories are often entertaining. obviously she will have to move out on her own someday (unless, to continue a thread that I have been pushing lately, she wants to be like robert crumb's brother, who lived with his parents until the day he killed himself). I don't think that in the end the harangues of people she's never even met are going to do much to change the date on which that finally happens. I like pez. she's bright and cool and interesting. it's my own responsibility to make myself stop feeling frustrated about her not listening to the advice of the rest of us, who of course have perfect lives.

No insistance Patrick, she doesn't have to come here to Missoula to live, just offering an opertunity. I know exactly what its like to be in her position becaues less then 6 months ago I was in the same one, same problems, same issues, and I up and left. And you know what I'm loving it, I have things I never had before. Not just material things, friends who I can see without worry of when I have to be home becuase of someone elses rules, the ability to go out and have fun without having to check in with someone. I still talk to my parents and it shocked the hell out of them when they found out I was leaving, and they didn't want me to go and tried to keep me back, but once they realized I was going with or without their approval they supported me the best they could, when I left my dad cried. I've NEVER seen my dad cry till that day. I left feeling good, and yet scared about what might happen. I won't lie to you Pez, it is kinda scary, but once you up and do it you'll realize its not as scary as it seems. I offer Missoula because its a great place I think you might like, if you want to stay in the portland area, do so, I don't want you to do anything you don't want to. Enjoy life, become your own person, and make your parents become people you can rely on but don't have to. Do what you feel you should do, and if your not ready to leave then don't. Try it out if you have to, I did, and didn't suceed the first time. Make your life yours.

my mother also cried when I left home. but it has to be done.

If my kids left home,I'd cry too,tears of joy.

heh heh heh. Maybe I shouldn't laugh.

Did I sound pushy? I didn't expect her to even say maybe. I mentioned in an email that I didn't really think she'd be interested. Not that I'd turn her down. It'd be cool to live with Pez, and we need a third. That's where the self-serving comes in. It wouldn't be me turning her life around. That's her job. I don't think it's really even altruism. I'm a greedy bastard. Her friends and her boyfriend are in Portland. There are far fewer people to meet and job opportunities in Montana. The flipside of cheap rend is that the jobs don't pay much. If I had liked the city I grew up in, I might have stayed, at least for a while. But I didn't. I like Portland though. It's on my list of potential places to live. That wasn't personal, Hal. I wouldn't wanna work with App, either. No disrespect to Hal, but he has a tendency to speak for me or about me on the boards in a way that sometimes doesn't accurately represent me. Please don't get offended Hal. You're just more enthusiastic than I am. I am not Hal, but I'm not better than Hal. Hal is a very cool guy. This probably sounds like I'm reversing myself because patrick and cyst said I'm being pushy or self-serving. That sucks. (no, I'm not offended) I was just having fun playing the part of salesman.

you guys suck. pez should come live with me. do my dishes and shit.

asshole

ew. hate that word. if it's a word.

I give up.

nate, patrick. I sent you guys stuff in the mail today.

cool!!!!!

no offense nate, but i'm a little scared of you. it might be fun to visit montana and see you guys (hal and tbone), but portland is my hometown. i like having people to blame. blaming others keeps me from blaming myself, which in turn delays my going into depression again. a lot of this scares me, because i've been fairly well sheltered my entire life. more freedom = more responsibility, and i'm not sure how well i'd deal with it. what i'd basically like is to get my life straightened out so i can at least spend a few months as a kid. go to shows, hang out with people i adore, and write. of course there's the factor of supporting myself, which i'm not sure i can do with my wage and 20 hours per week, paying union too. it's sortof like going wading in a creek. i'm dipping my toes in, trying to decide if the water's too cold.

it's kind of boring, patrick. just the newspaper you asked for a long time ago!

Ah, don't be scared of Nate. He's a pussycat. Of course, if you're scared of me too, that's probably not a ringing endorsement. :-)

your life wont be any more straightened out pez than it is right now. you have no problems. knowing you've been sheltered is no excuse to continue being sheltered. pez we all did it, we all just didnt land into $11/hour jobs. I shared two bedroom place with nico for a year working for $5.25 and hour. It was hard, i just worked 30-40 hours a week. if you are comfortable sitting on the shore stickin your toes in...cool, the action is out in the lake though

minimum wage in massachusetts is $6.75 $5.15 most places i forgot about minimum wage jeez. that sucks. another reason to finish school, pez. or at least pick a specific direction.

living wage in santa clara county is $12.95 or something. and no offense intended, patty, but after i sold drugs to get through college i landed a job that was considerably better than $11/hr. i don't know the hourly wage breakdown on moving schwagg, but i never worried about money.

and when i say me, of course, i refer to the lead character of the totally fictional novel i'm writing. shit.

oh, and pez, i don't blame you for being scared of me. i'm not offended. but antigone is right. and i don't seriously want you to come live with me and do my dishes. but if you needed the room and asked, i would let you live there. same goes for just about anyone here.

I believe Pez likes to think about moving out because it makes her feel better when she's mad at her parents. And that's OK. I dreamed of running away for two years before I finally did. One day, she will just up and go. Hopefully it won't be in a dramatic way, but just when she's strong enough and knows that the time is right. I hope it will be to share with a girlfriend or in a college situation at first. But Pez has mentioned that she's never had a holiday without her folks. So, how about going on a week's camping holiday with a friend? Or even driving to visit a Sorajite or two for a short break? Small steps first, then you'll be sprinting before you know it.

wah. wah. wah. i feel awful because topics i post in always turn to my parents and current living situation. i'm a wuss. listening too little, too much, allowing myself to be swayed by others opinions. WHAT DO *I* WANT????? i don't know.

WISPER don't you live in toronto? tell me about your $300 basement. please please please.

I'm in total agreement with Cyst.Portland is a fantastic city.I honestly can't think of a better place to spread your wings.The people are insightful,environmentally oriented,and its got some of the most gorgeous scenery,right outside your window. Pez,when the time is right,you'll make your move.The harsh reality is,that paying bills is a bitch.The most important thing for you to concentrate on,is school.My advice is to suck off your parents as long as you can.There are lots of subliminal ways to pay them back for that evil rabbit incident.Trust me on this,sponge off them,and do it effectively,and you'll be surprised by how much they'll want you to move out.[just ask J,she knows!] By the time my parents got me out of the house,I had my degree,didn't work,partied and traveled all the time,[on their expense account].By then,they couldn't wait to get rid of me,but I didn't want to go.So they bribed me.Gave me a brand new car,and rented me a house.But I still showed up at their house to eat and do laundry.This got me a new washer and dryer,and they bought me groceries.Damn,this is making me homesick.They were mean parents to make me leave.I wish I was still at home. My point is,you can make this work for you.Finish school,that should be your priority.Simply outsmart them.It can be extremely gratifying,to have the upper hand,and your parents won't figure it out for awhile,that they are actually pawns in your clever little hands. Then when the time is right,out you'll go,educated and able to be self sufficent. Well,it worked for me at least.And I think J will verify this,that she is at the point that she is willing to pay rent and buy groceries to have her spawn out of her house. Well,this is just another option to consider,as long as everyone is offering advice.[incidently,this plan won't work,if you have an older sibling who has already implemented this technique,parents usually catch on,after one child has played them out]

Ah dear dear Czarina! You would not be The Czarina if it were not for your ingenuity... of course. And Pez, Czarina is right. ...oh...I left home when I was fifteen and yet I returned to leech off the parental land, and it was not that bad at all, someone paid the bills while I saved (or partied away) what I had coming in; someone complained I should get home earlier while I continued to stay out late or not come home at all (that's what telephones are for); and someone got me out of jams, fixes, and nearly jail at least more than once, while I pushed the limits as an entitled adolescent in my early twenties. And somehow school got paid for, and I found a wonderful woman, and I married her, and my evil step mother and my father even bought our first maritial bed and roof over the maritial heads (though I think they wired the bed and there were cameras all over...), and he cried when the two of us little kids of twenty four or so continued on in grad school and left the family fold a few years later. And then they still sent money and broken stale cookies out of guilt that they had not done enough. So, suck up, and take advantage of your position; the parents are putty in your hands. Though I am not offering advice, and if I offered advice or godforbid! a place to live (other than my offer to be a hunchbacked servant in the basement shadows if you rented my domicle in the woods), no doubt the Sorabji Moral Police would be on my case for robbing the cradle. So take it from an old man whose parents are dead twenty one years (Dad) and thirty five years (Mom): you'll get through it. Write poetry and baffle them all. "whatever tomorrow brings I'll be there with open arms and open eyes..."

i'm pretty sure that pez's parents are not paying for her college. in fact, i'm almost positive.

And neither did my parents after the first year; but nine years of full time college got paid for through hard work and scholarship. Can be done. I made some pretty kick-ass salsa today. From my organic tomato patch.

i just ate some salsa i made last week. no packaged salsa can compare to the real deal. my tomatoes are doing lousy this year. not enough sun.

Here: Plenty sun, plenty rain, and I planted the little buggers before the last frost and nearly lost all of the thirty some plants, now one or two less in number, but all a good five and half feet tall and staked with half inch rebar, vinyl yellow surveyor's flagging tape instead of the customary cloth ties. The salsa was even a hit with my "I won't eat anything spicy" son. And he doesn't like tomatoes. Made about six (almost) quarts packed in smaller containers, and frozen. Ah, nothing like a fresh jolt in midwinter! Reminds me... Even a late frost can't beat tomato plants deeply planted: lost the top growth but all of em came back with a vengeance. Looked at a 21.7 cu ft freezer yesterday since my old Coldspot shot freon all over the basement. Don't know if I will have enough to justify the investment, since there's no meat (like half a cow would fit into a 21.7...) to deep freeze. Hot cold hot cold. Hot here tonight. Quiet too. Enough.

no offense natty.... but that was after college eh? a 19 year old, who hasn't finished college, muchless moved out of her parents house...$11/hour is though possible, but not likely...unless she's selling hand jobs or something. Fuck it, Im tired of trying to offer any hints of wisdom to pezzy....and im sure shes tired of seeing it right pezzy? i want to grow stuff. gardening seems to theraputic. And Im also all about efforts reaping tangible, and even tasty rewards. agatha is your salsa all chunky? I like it thin, not chunky. Only trader joes has salsa up to my non-chunk standards.

BIG surprise there.

what dave, WHAT??? the salsa? the pez? the minimum wage? the gardening? WHAT SAY YOU DAVE?

MMM, chunky salsa. Salsa should be like a meal. And hot as hell (not temperature hot, spicy hot).

salsa. big chunks of cilantro, and a lot of it. finely chopped garlic finely chopped onion, red or walla walla fresh tomatoes that are on the bruised side splash of vinegar salt- lots pepper- lots cayenne- adequate amount the tomatoes are not super chunky, but are not chopped super small, either. if you don't like the chunky salsa, here's another good salsa that i make sometimes, i learned it from this mexican chick named tina who is part of the Trachtenberg Family Players, a band in Seattle. Their drummer is their seven year old daughter Rachel, and they show perverse slides of families that aren't always their own while they play their music. Anyhow, put in oven on broil: halved tomaters halved onions, sweet or white halved jalapenos with seeds removed other peppers, if you wish halved tomatillos, if you wish several cloves of garlic cook until the skins are about to turn black. throw in a blender, add salt and pepper, and cayenne if you wish,add fresh chopped cilantro, serve hot or cold. fuckin a good.

i love cilantro. i made tacos this weekend. and i usually chop an onion and mix with an entire bunch of cilantro, that has been chopped. sorta of like a relish. i put it on everything.

I hate cliantro. Nasty shit

cilantro

I have to agree with Dougie about salsa,if it's not chunky,then it might as well be sauce.Salsa with roasted habaneros,mmm.

salsa is sauce.

the texture of chunky salsa is nasty.

No dude, that's great part about it, the contrast of textures. Cold, chunky salsa, warm salty nachos, icy margaritas with salt. Damn, I know where I'm going Friday night. Gonzales y Gonzales down in the village.

i'm with patrick. Just gimme the salsa juice, chunks are too much. the overpower the delicate flavour of the tortilla chip. If that is indeed what you're putting them on.

Nacho wussies...

i prefer flavors to textures.

I LIKE IT BOTH WAYS.

I like it both ways too. Chucky Salsa Picante Sauce It's all good As long as the chips are not stale. I hate going to resteraunts where the chips are hot but stale. And they must be stalted

in mexico it's all chunks, pretty much. the concept of hard tortilla chips and goopy salsa for dipping is pretty much an american adaptation. when i go to a taqueria on 8th ave., i get a taco made out of a soft, fresh-made corn tortilla with shredded pork and chunky, ungoopy salsa on top. pinche gringos.

runny salsa is picante.

i dunno. it's "salsa" on the menu.

MMM, Chucky Salsa on stalted chips.

I want to make chile mint lime sauce. fruit salsas. and stuff. i just came back from lunch and i am hungry again. you fuckers.

dave's not refusing to meet me, is he?

picante is hot.

some like it hot, some like it cold, some like it in the pot, nine days old.

no, hunny. he wants to meet you.

i made tacos this weekend. though i was looking for those silverdollar corn tortillas, i had to settle for something slightly bigger which is problem because they break easier. its hard to maintain the beef/tortilla ratio the bigger the tortilla. i didnt use salsa, i used tapatio.

tapatio means man from guadalajara.

yeah, theres a man with a bitchin sombrero on the label. his sauce is bad ass.

too much of his sauce is bad ass, too. screamin!

I sent nate hot sauce in the mail. I hope the jar doesn't break.

Man sauce is bad. (\catholic schoolgirl mode)

people generally either absolutely love or absolutely loathe cilantro. last night for supper i made cilantro and lime soup: (y'all have missed my recipes, ADMIT IT!) Cilantro and Lime Soup Ingredients: two medium sized chicken breasts 2 tea celery salt and ground black pepper 1 bunch fresh cilantro 4-6 fresh limes 2 fresh tomatoes, seeded and diced 1 yellow onion, diced 1 clove garlic, crushed 3 celery stalks 2 jalapeno peppers, seeded and diced 1-2 tea crushed red pepper 4 15oz cans chicken broth (or the equivalent thereof) Directions: dice the chicken breasts up into one-inch cubes or so. saute in olive oil with celery salt and pepper until cooked. in a big soup pot, saute onion, garlic, and jalapeno for 5 minutes on medium high heat. add celery and cook for another 5 minutes. add in chicken, tomaotes, crushed red pepper, chicken broth, and the juice from the limes to taste. it will vary depending on how juicy your limes are or how tart you want the soup to taste. bring to a boil, reduce to very low simmer. add in chopped cilantro and keep warm for 20 minutes before serving. you can serve it with thin slices of lime floating on top, which is a nice touch. * for the freaky vegetarians/vegans, you also can substitute baked tofu for chicken and vegetable broth for chicken broth. (back to job hunting...)

i totally missed your recipes. in fact, i might just make that tonight. i have all the ingredients.

holy cow thats sounds good.

that'd be easy to convert to vegan.... $11 an hour? i wish. try $8.15, before taxes and union. my parents have continued to offer their support for my education, but the strings attached to that money are too much to take. they do pay for insurance on my car, but the renewal on the thing came out of my pocket. i pay for all gas. next week i'm looking for another job. i don't get very many hours at the one i have and somehow fucked up my knee last night so i don't feel like climbing the racks anymore.

I have missed your recipes Sarah and see that you have a new e-mail address that means you probably didn't get a recipe I sent you,Droopy must have a new e-mail address too,it should be mandatory to post all new e-mail address.

Yeah Sarah, I don't care if you're moving states and changing lives and taking a step into the wide blue yonder of love, we still have to be entertained by your special blend. You're so selfish. More recipes, more stories, more nakey pics. Ok *some* nakey pics then.

i have a nakey pic in a publicly accessible place. i can't figure out if no one knows this, or no one cares.

I care,where are they? Were you the guy on Nerve called fatass or something like that,cause I know it's all about ass.

not fatass. my locale is santa clara, ca.

I know. Nice turtleneck*. (*that was a joke and no one should go getting all jealous or anything)

We should all talk about nate's penis to make him feel better.

what? that little thing again?

thanks, cat. my dad says i got the "sunroof model". and pez, you obviously haven't seen the picture, because my cock is bigger than my fucking head. AHAHAH! FUCKOS! ok. thanks for talking about my penis. i feel better now.

i saw it. and i told nate privately it was a very aggressive wang picture. i also told him i was proud. what good is the internet if people won't show their bits for all to see.

Now I AM pissed,I showed mine!!!!!

where?

yeah, where? shaneghatts, j. nerve.com personals.

Whats that fuzzy,lint like stuff on the end of your dick?

I'm still standing.

i think there is a wierdness around my cock from the use of photoshop to blur out the background. the background being everything but my cock. i'm glad you're still standing, j.

Cracked me up,you crazy.

So, anyone get plane tickets yet? Any word on places to crash? I've got a priceline bid out now for $150, travelocity is giving me $250 for a ticket. SO?

I got the priceline bid, you all can't back out now. I arrive at the NOLA Int'l Airport Friday, Oct. 19, 9pm. I plan on taking a taxi to the Quarter or where ever folks are going to be. I depart 7:53am Sunday morning. So, then. we have about 11 weeks to prepare.

I'm going to go down in late September to scope out a place. I'm probably going to be there on the weekend of September 28th, if anyone wants to help me look.

I would figure on Czarina wanting to. Sarah doesn't live so far away, and she's one of the main instigators of this, so maybe she could go too. I love voluntering people for things.

ok so oddly I thought I wouldn't see Nate's cock until New Orleans. now it'll be kinda anticlimactic I guess. As for a glimpse of my nether regions... same nerve.com... the nic u look for is... GASP... JimAkaPajama... I know... unoriginal. you have to decide if it's my left or right nip. heh. I am most likely going to be driving down to NOLA with Kali, and will be bunking with Dani.

Solid, pops.

so is there really a sorabjifest? i know i haven't been around for a while, but uhh... can i come?

Hell YEAH in a bottle! Of course you can, I feel quite a bit ashamed to have not though about you and gotten you one of the first 10 emails... You are more then invited, its in part your party.

Everyone's invited. October 19-21, NOLA.

sorabjifest should have a code name. i think nola would work, and besides it makes me feel like a secret agent.

are people staying in any particular place? i'm too poor to afford a hotel/motel, so if anyone has a floor... i may just stay in a hostel.