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third year in a row. global warming my ass. we're heading for an iceage. |
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it's snowing here. this is the san francisco bay area, for chrissakes. it doesn't snow here. |
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why i'm not at work. |
and what happens in santa cruz is indicative of global climate patterns? HA! ocean temps are warming and icebergs are melting whatup with that?. |
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what is happening now, i suspect is due to many decades of abuse...OR as nate is often arguing, potentially a natural cycle of mother nature. while that may be true, you can't deny the impact fossil fuels and the leveling of forests have had on the earth. |
i think i should stay here |
this has happened now 3 years running. before that, it has been something that happens once every 30 years. we've had nearly a month of daily frost. we usually get one or two days of frost. it snowed all over southern europe a month or two back. by the "global warming" people, these are all indicators that we're heading for an iceage. to anyone with a brain, it is an indicator that we don't have enough data. |
yeah, i also see the natural cycle arguement. however, humans are about protecting humans, right? so shouldn't all of us selfish bastards be worried about the destruction of our natural environment? seeing as its rather important to the longevity of the species... i dunno, and being as fucked up as i am, i dont mind seeing humanity go to ruin. i dont think its really all that great. but i figure some people should mind, seeing as how they bitch about other stuff. i guess i'm an environmentalist because i dislike humans and i like what we haven't destroyed. so maybe then i should ignore global warming. but i shouldn't ignore SUVs, drilling, pollution. and therefore i dislike global warming as a manifestation of all that. |
i've seen speculation that we may have another el nino this year. which kept the mtns snow-capped all winter long, where as they are usually capped only immediately after a rain. SUVS are not very responsible vehicles at all ophelia, as Im sure you'll agree. people who drive them clearly have no regard for anyone else who shares the road with theml muchless any potential increased impact they have on the air. |
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further, humans are animals-- our effect on the world is natural. |
Why why why? I drive one for work sometimes and it's a bonus having loads of visibility and being able to take heaps of gear. My personal car cost more than most SUVs so it's not just about status etc. At least with a SUV you're getting a lotta car for your buck. My piddly little car is ridiculously over-priced considering it only seats two people comfortably and you try towing a trailer off it..bah. |
Why why why? I drive one for work sometimes and it's a bonus having loads of visibility and being able to take heaps of gear. My personal car cost more than most SUVs so it's not just about status etc. At least with a SUV you're getting a lotta car for your buck. My piddly little car is ridiculously over-priced considering it only seats two people comfortably and you try towing a trailer off it..bah. |
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the main problem i have with SUVs are that they've reduced the safety ratings of almost all cars on the road. though i no longer complain, because i've realized the truck i drive to work in every day is essentially an SUV without the luxury. nate, you bastard. |
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while you're enjoying your added visibility and feeling superior to everyone else on the road, those who drive more practical, sensible cars are stuck behind you with no visibility because you've taken it all. They are relying on you to stop in time should something come up. Have you ever been behind an SUV on the freeway? An example....SUV makes a sudden move to the left lane to pass the car in front of him...the car in front of SUV was going much slower than normal traffic...you are driving roughly the same speed as the SUV, but because your visability was reducing to a fucking chrome bumper all of sudden you are dangerously approaching a car at a high rate of speed and little time to act. SUVs have higher a center of gravity because they are designed after jeeps. Jeeps are all terrain vehicles. Because of the high center of gravity, you are more likely to flip on normal driving conditions, such as a freeway exit ramp or changing lanes doing 65mph there by needlessly endangering cars around you. SUVs drive like cars yet are still designed like off road vehicles, making people underestimate their potential. If SUV drivers were trained, and licensed like commercial truck drivers I might not have such an issue with it but they aren't SUVs take nearly twice as much fuel to achieve the same distance as most sedans and compacts. In a normal traffic accident between a SUV and a sedan, its more likely the passengers will suffer greater injury simply due to the SUV. SUVs are so popular due to a primarily American notion that size = luxury. Also they do wonders to empower and inflate ego as well as provide a false sense of security. As far as visability nate, trucks are a lot easier to deal with because you can almost always see right through the cab, unless the have a top on the back. Trucks are far more utilitarian than SUVs and aren't necessarily designed like SUVs in terms of weight distribution. |
i agree with almost all your points, however the following an SUV arguement irks me- first, you shouldn't follow so close to anyone. but more importantly, having something with greater inertia in front of you is usually a benefit. i mean, if there is a sudden need to stop, you can stop much, much quicker. the mass of the SUV is a cushion for the lighter vehicle behind it. |
for the record, i'm an over cautious driver around anything bigger than me. Im extremely distrustful of everyone else on the road anyway...and perhaps that has *knock on wood* contributed to the fact that i have never been in accident other bumping someone in a 15 mph bumper to bumper traffic scenario. |
oh by the way, SUV's are hardly a nessecity, largely a status symbol, and i dislike them because they are, to me, a symbol of american wastefulness and disregard for others. |
for patty, not for proof but for interest: stud finder |
ya, man. blame that on all the fucks who are driving those old 7996 (BCE) corsairs. |
bumsenfleisch. |
I loved their skewering of the environmental movement. By the way, have any of you concidered the possibility that the current temperate climate that we enjoy might be the remains of the last ice age. And, that the normal climate should be more tropical. Like it was when the dinosaurs lived. By the way, I drive a 1991 Saturn. I wish I could afford a new one. |
im always a bit skeptical of anything from the UK's Independent. It seems, what I've read from that publication, they are a bit sensationalist. regardless of that the possibility has merit. without any hardcore scientific evidence eitherway on the matter, i tend to believe, in general terms, our affect (and abuse) on the planet HAS to have some sort of adverse effect. |
a. snowing last night b. fucking 17 degress this morning and I live about 50 feet above sea level. I really don't like this. It doesn't usually get below 30 here, ever. There was ice all over everything. It looked like a winter wonderland. and SUVs are horrible. I drove one, once, and it was an unpleasent experience. I just hate people who drive these gas guzzling road hogs to work every day without any consideration of other drivers. And you know, that good visibility is all great, but I can't tell you how many times one has merged on top of me because they haven't seen me. Most of them are heinously unsafe, too. They're just evil. I think it's really funny that all the hippies here come to their "stop ocean drilling" protests in Ford Explorers. Do they not understand the obvious irony? |
They seem to think that since they are trying to save the world they have more of a right to use it's resources than the rest of the world. |
It's 69 degrees here in DC now and will be 72 tomorrow. Eat that. Some Ice Age. |
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Here, lookie at what the heat did to my candles...http://www.geocities.com/aussieanita/pix |
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i am making trash drums. |
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though some were s shaped they were very suggestive. my friends liked them and took them away and most of the plants turned brown |
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one of the major differences between humans and other animals is the way that we are conscious of ourselves as a species and we modify the environment to our own needs. This can work for us or against us. Its easy to use natural resources to make life better in the short-term, but how do we know what will keep the entire ecosystem (that we exist as a part of) from being thrown off balance. Sorry for sounding so idiotically pretentious, but its true that we are only a part of this because we evolved for the good of the whole system. Our messing around probably doesn't help any. |
first, those are two, not one: (1) that we are conscious of ourselves as a species and (2) that we modify the environment to our own needs. (1) is rather, well you said it, pretentious. further, i'd argue it is wrong though i have no concrete proof (nor do you.) regardless, it has no bearing in the argument. (2) is just moronic. unless you've never seen a beehive or an ant hill. termite mound. beaver dam. etc. it is natural to use natural resources. there is no way in hell the ecosystem is so precariously balanced. not in the big picture. the idea that "we evolved for the good of the whole system" is an odd mix of science fiction and theology, don't you think? |
You plucked out my eyes You cut out my tongue You fed me with lies Oh Lord |
we actually evolved to go to Monster Truck Madness on SUNDAYS SUNDAYS SUNDAYS!!!!! drink cheap beer and push the envelope in sexual gratification. |
i've got the magic power of the mucous in me |
how is it not natural? |
Grrrr. What a bloody mean thing to say. That's my baby. I hope some poodle uses your balls as a chew toy in the very near future. Now if you were talking about how Antigone's cat looks like it swallowed a SUV, that would be different. |
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He can't help it that he was born small. And it's not his fault he's not a real dog. If only you could see through his rich-gal-toy poodle exterior to the beautiful proud animal that lives within. He has a dream... |
You're just a lonely lonely bitter superior cat-fucker. |
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i know poodles are damn smart dogs. it's just, they're also damn easy targets. especially toy poodles. especially in croc country. |
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crazy. |
they hate me and yet want to freak my jock like mad at the same time. poodles are such easy targets. so are miniature dobermans. my friend has one and i swear to god when it opens that yappy little mouth and nibbles my toes i want to punt that fucker through the upright, but then it chills and sits inside my jacket and we make peace. well nate, it appears by your logic, anything man creates is natural but im not sure i buy that. In that regard a nuclear warhead is not natural. id like a few bong loads to jump into that fray with you. |
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I'd have to make Patrick shut up about cochlear implants before he'd be doing any implanting of me. Not to say he's not worth gagging. I've always thought Patrick to be the prettiest of the sorabji boys, apart from the original sorabji boy. |
And I'm assuming that Cat finds me to be one of the most handsome of sorabji men, needless to say. |
And, bitches, it was 77 degrees here and 84 degrees in Fredericksburg. I blame you. |
LS |
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Icing to all us! Carpe Natalie (or whatever her name was) |
Besides, I just drove an SUV from Dallas to San Jose... Highway 1 is c00l! |
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it's true. |
And no one has seen Pez in a while. |
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i still hate SUV's but i'm willing to quit the arguing, cause whats the point- no one's opinions are changing. and nate: sure, too tired to argue, but i'm not giving in, in case you were wondering. maybe nothing's worth worrying about, but i need some cause to keep me sane. |
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but clearly they arent because i still identify them as such. maybe... or maybe i just dont know anything about sanity or insanity and i just made that up so i'd have something to say. |
and halster, if you want to hear from me, email me or call me or somethin', you weren"t exactly receptive the last time i tried. pffft. i will ignore you. |
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(2) good to see you again, fb. (3) sorry, no message for j. (4) if anyone wants to know what's going on in my life and is too fucking lazy to contact me, you can check my website by clicking here. that is unless i am a lazy bitch who never updates. |
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/environment/story.jsp?story=484490 It's wise to recall this happened previously without humans adding to the situation. It's also wise to recall that regardless of whether humans are to blame or not for global warming, the effects are not going to be very nice for civilization, and that should be enough to take action. Of course, Bush apparently is more concerned about preventing gay people from getting married, then hopped up on steriods, and running around beating up straight couples and the winners of shows such as My Big Fat Fiance and Who wants to marry my Dad? then anything as piddling as trying to stave off the collapse of the Gulf Stream. |