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Totally. |
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For reals. |
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Oh, the nailbiting. Is it 6 Eastern yet? |
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Pop vote approx O 53 - M 47 Electoral College O 375 - M 163 I think Obama will take Indiana but not Georgia or Arizona. Ron Paul is on the ballot in Montana. if his fanboys know and get out the vote I think he could take 4 - 5% and get Obama another 3 on top of that. |
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Who do you think is going to get Virginia? |
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Who among us was talking about the building real smell? |
it was half a block away. i have a crush on obama. perhaps even the obamas. i haven't had a crush in a very.. oh crap. olbermann, too even though some of that stuff makes no sense in context. maybe i'm giddy with lack of sleep. |
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my husband is gay for obama. |
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http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/countdown-with-keith-olbermann/805561/ |
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what better day to hold an election than the day of the god of war? |
bwhahaha |
So says Wikipedia. I have no idea if that's true. Moonit, most states have time off to vote laws, theory being that people can nip down to the polls at some point during the week day to do their business. Of course, when people are waiting in line for six hours or more to vote...that cuts a big chunk out of the workday. |
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Yeah, this ought to be a long long week or more. I am thinking i should be in Chicago tonight. I am thinking I am glad to be in St Louis working til 9. Otherwise I would waste the night trying to find out shit that i can see in five minutes in the am, when the decision SSTILLL won't be made. |
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have you seen Olbermann's hands? he has got the hairiest, caveman knuckles in the world. |
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either way, you can do the math. its over. |
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finally! audacious hope! |
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unmarried homosexuals all over america are probably screwing each other silly all over america in celebration right now |
sorry, but there are still massive curbs to climb here. |
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still, marriage for everone - i don't give a shit. |
aside from the fact that my sister is gay, its just the right thing to do. that so many minorities are jumping on the bandwagon to discriminate against gay people is infinitely depressing to me. so I see Michelle Bachman won her seat. yay, rubber stamp of more McCarthyism. And Alaska may re-elect a convicted felon. Retards. |
I feel so sick right now. I felt so elated earlier, and now I just feel disgusted. If 8 passes, it cheapens everything for me. Everything. How can we make such a huge collective stride as a country while California steps back into the dark ages? |
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CNN earlier showed Prop 8 being defeated in exit polls, which have mysteriously been changed since then to reflect the new reality. doesnt look good. I took a look at some others. Arkansas banned gay couples adopting children. Any stereotypical thing you could think of a gay couple doing to a child doesnt seem nearly as bad as what I figure those fucks are doing to their kids already. |
U.S. President And Vice President Precincts Reporting 3533 of 3533 John McCain, Sarah Palin REP 1,442,613 49.4% Barack Obama, Joe Biden DEM 1,436,745 49.2% Bob Barr, Wayne A. Root LIB 11,355 .4% Chuck Baldwin, Darrell Castle CST 8,181 .3% Ralph Nader, Matt Gonzalez IND 17,769 .6% Cynthia McKinney, Rosa Clemente WI 958 .0% Total Votes 2,917,621 |
Crushing. The faces of supporters at the anti-gay rallies? Terrifying. |
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Boo Florida for Amendment 2 - legalized bigotry. |
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I have since settled into a contented numbness. But i do fall more to the joy side now that i confirmed that Prop 4 was shot down, which was equally disturbing (Proposition 4 will require a doctor to notify at least one adult family member before performing an abortion on an under-18-year-old girl). |
A lot of gains were made yesterday, which makes this step back all the more upsetting. |
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He was extremely laid back and warm. He talked a lot about Obama and about marching with MLK on Washington and playing "Puff the Magic Dragon" at LBJ's house with JFK sitting on the floor in front of him in true folk music style. Very cool. I had a much better time tonight than I had when I saw Bob Dylan ~5 years ago. Peter Yarrow FTW. |
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There is EVIL still out there in the next two months. Yeah, so the market bounced right back with the mood of the People. I DO have some renewed home in the system because of the election. But I know certainly that Wall Street losing 500 points of my hard earned money the day after the elections just proves how broken the system really is. We should move to impeach now. |
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senor was telling me last night that he read on cnn. com that of the caucasian voters who voted on prop 8, roughly 52% voted for, 46% voted again. of hispanic voters, about the same. of african american voters (which made up only 13% of the voting population on prop 8), roughly 70% voted for and 28% against. i find this fascinating. |
not surprising that the exit polls would skew towards the no vote, either. lots of closet homophobes. fucking prop 8. i want to get a prop up for next time that makes it illegal for blacks to enter into business partnerships. i mean, we'll have an equal but alternative contract: brotherships. same thing legally, but really, partnerships are historically for whites. and another prop that allows polygamy. because, you know, in the bible marriage is about one man and 'n' women. fucking assholes. |
I'm also eagerly looking forward to amending the California Constitution to ban divorce, and to ban marriage to unbelievers. Sarah, around 6% of our population is black, just to put the "only 13% of the voting population" thing into perspective. |
people who remarry should be stoned to death. |
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BTW, I think here in MA the measure passed to decriminalize the possession of small amounts of marijuana. I'm not used to living in a liberal state. It's neat. |
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medical marijuana was passed in michigan and ... i forget. a couple other states. did the felonious senator get reelected in alaska? too lazy to look it up. |
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Blatant racial discrimination, right in their god damn constitution, staying there. Mmmmmhmmm yeah. |
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mark morford continues to be a personal hero. it's god's fault |
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but why not vote yes on gay marriage? |
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oh nevermind. they were supposed to vote no, i remember now. well anyway. all they had to do was READ the proposition. |
i'm heading towards ugly, violent liberal. |
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Gun-buying spree follows Obama election Posted: 01:47 PM ET From CNN Senior Producer Kevin Bohn Owners of gun shops are seeing higher sales since late October. WASHINGTON (CNN) — Bernie Conatser has never seen business this good. The owner of a gun shop in the Washington suburb of Manassas, Virginia, Conatser said sales have doubled or tripled the numbers he racked up in late October. Saturday, he said, he did as much business as he would normally do in a week. "I have been in business for 12 years, and I was here for Y2K, September 11th, Katrina," Conatser said as a steady stream of customers browsed what remained of his stock. "And all of those were big events, and we did notice a spike in business, but nothing on the order of what we are seeing right now." Weapons dealers in much of the United States are reporting sharply higher sales since Barack Obama won the presidency a week ago. Buyers and sellers attribute the surge to worries that Obama and a Democratic-controlled Congress will move to restrict firearm ownership, despite the insistence of campaign aides that the president-elect supports gun rights and considers the issue a low priority. According to FBI figures for the week of November 3-9, the bureau received more than 374,000 requests for background checks on gun purchasers — a nearly 49 percent increase over the same period in 2007. Conatser said his store, Virginia Arms Company, has run out of some models — such as the AR-15 rifle, the civilian version of the military's M-16 — and is running low on others. Such assault weapons are among the firearms that gun dealers and customers say they fear Obama will hit with new restrictions, or even take off the market. |
As long as you have an armed and armoured surplus Hummvee, who needs Ar 15's??? When the lights go out .......... |
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EXCELLENT. |
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maybe two rounds second. the sks-47 is pretty fun, dr. pepper. i mutilated a milk jug with one, once. |
Wisper, I think UZI are capable of doing it, like 13 or more rounds in a second. I went to F.B.I. HQ in Washington D.C. back in 1981 when I was like 14 or 15 years old. The agent showed the demo of full auto UZI, once he fired full auto and it was done right before my eye. |
Or to put it in South Park terms: "gay" |
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have you shot a gun before, rowlfe? have you ever been skiing? surfing? have you ever driven over 100mph? |
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one of the guys i dated here in austin is from junction, texas. he took me out to his family's ranch and i shot a 22 at some cans. it was the 1st time i ever saw a gun in person. it was a lot of fun, actually. not so much the obliterating of cans, which a 22 doesn't actually do, it just puts a hole in it and knocks it over. the fun thing was the marksmanship. maybe it was more fun for me than the average non-texan non-gun-shooter because i shot five cans with my first five bullets, and there's so much satisfaction in being good at something right away. i haven't shot or even seen another gun since then. |
What I'm saying is I don't see how there could be any inherent rush to it. Is it the knowledge that this gun has the ability to kill real people vs. the arcade weapons? I'm talking about target shooting here, not killing Bambi. I appreciate the strawman droopy, and immediate rush to elitism charges, but seriously. That was lame of you. |
Have any of you ever had a gun pulled on you? It didn't change my mind on guns at all, I don't know if it even reinforced them. It wasn't a robbery, it was some kid in the backseat of a car with friends who wanted to have some fun scaring people on the street. For all I know it was fake. It doesn't really make a difference. He got the reaction out of me that he wanted. |
I don't think I've ever seen people making fun of LARPers get called elitists though. Maybe if there were more of them and none of them lived in urban areas. |
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the gun pointed at you was probably a realistic-looking pellet gun; when i was a teenager, a friend of mine would carry one of those in his car to spook people. i've been present when an actual shooting happened and people were injured and ambulances and police were called and statements given. i've also seen the beneficial side of guns with previous generations, when guns were simply a useful tool and sometimes necessary for survival (hunting food, protection against dangerous animals). even today, my lesbian cousin who lives in the hills around austin keeps a gun loaded with snake-shot because the odd rattlesnake shows up at her front door. i've had experiences on both side of the spectrum - even more that the ones listed above. |
We got rid of the handgun when our son was a toddler, but we kept the shotgun (dismantled) for post-hurricane protection. I've never shot it. I also took a concealed weapons course for a newspaper story I did back in 90-91. I passed the class, but I never felt the need to get a permit. If I lived alone, I might consider a stun gun. I've read too many police reports of people who were shot with their own gun, accidentally and purposely, by themselves and others. For me, in my circumstances, it's not worth the risk. |
when i was in rehab after my spinal cord injury, i met another guy in a wheelchair who had been mugged: two guys came up behind him, pulled his chair to the ground and robbed him. after that, i and the other crippled inmates decided we were going to buy guns when we got out. i never did, though. seemed like to much of a hassle. also, if i ever got mugged it would probably be a sneak attack like that other guy and they would probably get away with my wallet *and* my gun. |
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ive shot skeet and range but never hunted. id consider hunting if i learned how to properly dress and utlize ever part of the carcass. that said, skeet and range can be a lot of fun. moreover i would not live where we live now without a piece. our house is off the road by an acre, in the woods and the kind of house that easily gets cased. its the perfect house to rob if you spend the time to case it. that said, the odds of a home invader are pretty slim, i get that, but my mind.....for whatever its worth, feels better knowing i have a couple of options at hand. as a child, my house was broken into more than once, on one occasion we came home from dinner with the guy(s) still in the house. living in the woods, with the nearest neighbor some hundred yards or more away, im very happy to be armed. i havent read too far in this thread to get the jist so my reply may be totally off base..... |
Even considering respect for the animal and using every part, etc... What fun is there supposed to be from killing a deer? Is it even about the deer at all? Or just the process of catching and killing one? I'm no PETA guy, in fact much of the time I find them more annoying and prone to exaggeration than the NRA, and I'm pretty much a meatatarian - but if I don't get the thrill of target shooting I obviously don't get what could be so great about hunting that could offset the fact that you're killing an animal for no particularly good reason. |
i had a great-uncle named newton who grew up in mississippi in a life so hard it would've made faulkner shudder. he was the only man i've ever known who could not only kill a deer but drag it home, hang it in a tree, and later butcher it himself with a set of knives. he made any other hunter i've ever met look like a pussy. he cooked a mean venison steak, though. it involved entire sticks of oleo, pepper, and maybe mesquite. |
we're pretty fortunate in the western world to be able to choose what we eat. i think those of us who eat meat that has been farmed and processed are so far removed from what we are eating its a forgone conclusion. is there a difference between fishing than hunting? raising chickens or cows on a family farm for consuption ? im not sure there is. |
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But i like guns. At the St Louis Zoo there was once a display on an overlook that detailed a sign about homo sapiens, the only species known to kill its own for sport, and kill other species for sport, and the zoo board made the zoo personnel take the display down. It was a small card that explained the plaza of people over which you looked. And I still like guns. there is no reason these days in western civ to hunt animals. AOccasionally, when deer over run a place, transport them. I am becoming more buddhist and thinking that killing anything is wrong. \ We are part of a food chain no doubt.\ Now sex that's a different thing. |
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Should we only eat that which falls from the tree naturally? Because just the thought of that makes my bum sad. Sad bum. |
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Tonight's buffalo burgers seem so sad in comparison. |
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as Kurt Cobain said, its okay to eat fish cause they dont have any feelings... |
I have a hard time believing most people that go hunting do so because their freezer is empty. Using the whole animal/using the meat almost seems like penance for enjoying hunting. |
your own food is far less troubling to me than being indifferent to the suffering and other problems caused by factory farming. Arguably, many things that are fun are activities that otherwise exist for "no good reason." I just don't care. Hunting/hunters don't affect me (except when they do, and then it's WONDERFUL). I need to find someone who will give me some of those boar chops. |
I started out strong, but ultimately did not succeed because I started to get a little bored. Friday was Bring Your Cheese To Work day. That was fun too. |
shit i wanna work in a place that has bring your cheese to work day. thats sounds fucking awesome. |
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your own food is far less troubling to me than being indifferent to the suffering and other problems caused by factory farming. " Uh... look, I can accept that the majority of people look past a lot of shit, both willingly and unwillingly, to live their daily lives without the despair of what their Nikes, Coke's, and McDonalds are doing behind closed doors. I know I'm a hypocrite for looking down on killing animals but gladly scarf up chicken carcasses for sustinence on a regular basis. The day I have to hunt and gather for myself is likely the day I become a vegetarian. I can accept that... ...but that moral relativism there, thats just bullshit to me. "Well at least we're not machines killing massive amounts of animals in the most economically efficient ways we can?" Huh? On one hand, we have underpaid immigrants and machines slaughtering animals bred to die, which though tolerated, pretty much universally disgusts people. on the other hand, we have families killing free woodland creatures FOR RECREATION and having it treated as a traditional North American value. The chasm between the way they're treated is kind of absurd to me. Y'ever think that the glorification of hunting and the deliciousness of their tender innards isn't DIRECTLY LINKED to our indifference towards factory farming? There's TV shows where we WATCH people hunt other animals for chrissake. Just as the need for oil is directly linked to our indifference to blowing up little brown people, and our need to have water more conviently presented to our wherever possible fucks shit up everywhere. We're imperfect, sometimes immoral fucks who take a whole lot for granted. I look past all this crap almost every day, but I don't kid myself, remember so much of this slides because there's not much we can do about it without reverting back to caves and that we're still decent people overall. I'm not ready to compare meat eaters to Hitler because they're not outside a KFC yelling "murder" all day. But I think anyone taking pleasure in hunting ought to own up to what they're actually doing, and just say "Yeah, so?" instead of these bullshit excuses. I don't care if you're thinning out the herd, using every part of the animal, whatever you can think of, if you're putting a bullet into a living thing and getting a rush off of it, I have to call that a somewhat perverted pleasure, just one of thousands in the world, this one specifically I am incapable of taking part in, that I 'tsk' at while smoking or some other equally bad or worse habit. At least when it comes to factory farming, I have a guarantee the machines aren't getting off over it. So I guess this whole rant is about me being bitter that what I think is an overall negative thing, is actually treated like a noble one. In that regard I file it right next to buying diamond rings for your loved one. |
buying diamond rings is about the worst/stupid thing a person can do "little brown people"? wtf dude? |
Sarcastic Bill Hicks reference. As heard in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np6_b-72H3E around 1:05 |
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That some people get pleasure out of the kill just doesn't bother me. If the act itself doesn't bother me, I really don't care to evaluate the difference between someone who gets a "rush" vs. someone who happens just to enjoy a homesteading lifestyle. What happens during the kill is far less important than what happens before (humane living conditions, following reasonable hunting legislation, respecting endangered species laws, etc.) and after (not wasting things). I'm not interested in any generalized ideas about whether or not killing animals is a negative or positive thing, or if enjoying it is a negative or positive thing. I am far more interested in individuals fostering a responsible relationship with the environment. Hunting (within certain parameters) can be done responsibly. And I like to enjoy the fruits of responsible hunting. |
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those mini kiwifruit are freakin weird. |
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------------------------- all this from a guy named Eric. And he is right I think. 911 was an inside job. I feel like he is quoting me on these boards. |
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Dr Pepper YOU can't have a kiwi. But you are welcome to a weta or a whitetail. |
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moonit gave Turducken a chirping kiwi and a bitchin romper that she actually fits into now. |
i recently realized you can eat the skin of kiwi fruit. i'm a much bigger fan of kiwi fruit now. |
I'm not sure I care for the furr (hee) of the kiwifruit; I do like the yellow ones though. |
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My elementary school students ate kiwis the way one eats an apple. They'd also eat tire chips and the packets of silica you get in shoe boxes -- these were nine-year-olds, btw -- so I did not feel inclined to take their word that kiwi skin was edible. My father eats kiwi skin, too, but he also eats orange rind and banana peel, so I can't listen to him either. |
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The very first day of school, a big donation of shoes came in from a sneaker company and the kids were sent to the gym to get new sneakers out of the box. When the kids got back to the classroom, four boys decided to eat the silica packets, even though (hell, maybe BECAUSE) there was a warning on the packet saying DO NOT EAT POISON. I had to sit with them in the office while the nurse called the poison control center. (The quantity they ingested was not toxic, but it made their mouths dry out.) They'd also eat pencils, paper clips, paper, etc. I'm talking about my fourth graders. My K-1st graders did not do this. |
dougie, i hate to say this, but you need more than one kiwi plant to get fruit. you need a male and a female. |
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Yellow is slightly sweeter - its marketed to the Japanese I think. I hate possums. They are a noisy pest (in the bush; not the city). There is a lady who makes possum fur nipple warmers - I bought some as part of my 30 presents for a friend who was turning 30. She loves em. |
My wife eats mango skins. |
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Also, the old timers said that if you at the first frost would get a persimmons fruit and cut the seed in half, you'll see either a spoon shape or a knife shape marking inside the seed, indicating a heavy or light snow fall during the winter. This has proven to be very adequate for many years i have checked...and this year, it's gonna be deep. If you want persimmons email me. They are friggin all over this year...lke the walnuts and hickory nuts. But my nectarines and peaches did not do well. Apples on the other hand were tremendous, first time in eight years. Pears had a few, grapes got the rusty fungus again this year before I could get too many to eat. |
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does anybody else salt fruit? i think it might just be a southern thing. i know it came as shock to me, when i was still a new england boy, the first time i saw somebody put salt on watermelon. but now i'm in the habit. |
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amen |
