Jesus loves all of you.

even me?

are you sure? Loves to hurt more like.

i heard the dude bit it years ago

yeah...how does that work... can you love someone when you dont have the heart?

love hurts

whenever I hear that song I dont know what its called but y'know the chorus Love Hurts, mmmmmm Love Hurts it always reminds me of Hertz rent a car.... damn advertising

advertising hurts

Hertz hurts. Stick w/Avis. Rhymes with Mavis. Which few words do. But do the gay Sorabjians really mention their pref. in most of their posts? Hadn't noticed that. There are only 2 self-identified gay regulars that I even know of. Most sex-related talk 'round these parts usually disintegrates into random non-representative silliness pretty quickly. I can't remember the last time we had a 'serious' discussion abt sex here. (We'll leave that to Dr. Laura. Whom Vanity Fair did a great tell-all piece on a couple of months ago. What a 2-faced, egotistical Bitch! And she's not even a 'real' therapist -- her PhD. is in Physiology.)

did you hear about the naked pics of dr. laura that her former lover bill ballance sold to some internet site? i guess there's hundreds of them. i think it's funny for someone so supposedly "moral" to get caught doing something off- color. not that it's immoral to have naked photos taken of yourself, but it may be to dr. laura. fuckin hypocrite.

oh man... see I dont even know who Dr Laura IS!! and you cant get twinkies in NZ either... *sigh*

yes - you can! I was at caddyshack city a couple of months ago, and they had twinkies in the snack bar there, so you must be able to buy them other places as well. Why anyone would want to eat the sickly sweet but otherwise tasteless things is beyond me however.

Becuz foreigners are strangely attracted to the cheesiest Americana. Like Jerry Lewis being huge in France. Ditto Mickey Rourke. And baseball being popular in Taiwan & Japan. Or Japanese girls using glue to hold their U.S.- made sweat socks in the perfect slouched -around-the-ankles position. Or David Hasselhoff being a rock star in Europe. Or middle-class kids everywhere dressing ghetto. America's biggest export is American culture. Most of which is worthless. But I'd be willing to put our Ben & Jerry's ice cream up against the best any country has to offer!

Ok - you're on. I nominate Killinchy Gold, NZ's finest! (after all, we are basically a pastoral country, and our cows produce some of the finest milk products on earth!)

yeah, who can beat hokey pokey!!! *g*

So what's in Killinchy Gold? Ingredients list, if ya please. And is the milk used to make it BGH- free/like B&J's? Huh? Well, is it NZA?

*LOL* we dont tend to buy icecream in the shopping so i'll leave this one over to you Angel *g* or biscuits come to think of it... hmmm

For some reason ice cream always seems more appealling to me when it's cold out as opposed to in the summer. Anyone else have this peculiar preference (as in ice cream, not sexual-wouldn't want to be accused of always stating MY sexual preference on these boards)?

Naaah -- I indulge in B&J's religiously once a month. No matter what the season. It is PMS food-of-the-goddesses!

All NZ Icecream is BGH Free - NZ milk is from real cows that eat real grass on real farms. Thats why our butter and chocolate and other dairy products are in demand all over the world. I actually have to change my vote though - I forgot about Icecream Charlie - the worlds best icecream, only available from a caravan in Victoria Square, embellished with raspberry cordial and fresh cream (and chocolate chips) mmmm yummo! Had one late on Friday when it was stinking hot outside.

But NZA -- you can't export ice cream/can ya? So I won't be able to sample any of yr Charlie's. And I dunno if B&J's empire has stretched it's hairy hippie tentacles all the way to NZ yet. Guess we're gonna hafta call it a draw...

True, Charlies is not exported, but the major brand in NZ is Tip Top, and they sell icecream all over the world under various brands, so as long as you have refrigerated transport, you can try NZ icecream. A while ago I posted a news release about world icecream week, promoted by NZ Natural, a firm I know does export to Australia and a few other countries. I don't think they sell through supermarkets, but through franchised icecream outlets. If ever you see icecream "made in New Zealand" give it a go. You can't beat it for creaminess and flavour. Oh, and on the subject of refrigerated transport, I believe that NZ pioneered the technique to send our lamb to Britain back when we were still a colony. (about 90-100 years ago I think they sent the first shipment). Shame the Brit farmers are such whingers that they don't want to let our much tastier and more tender lamb in these days.

Ya shoulda told the Brits to stick it in their collective arse! Prison colony or not/why ship them pristine lamb? They're perfectly capable of raising chemical-free lamb in merry o' England. But they'd rather copy the U.S. capitalistic model /& feed their livestock ground-up carrion/& risk giving their entire population Mad Cow disease. Shame on those dolts! What good does it do to support a monarchy if even they haven't got the power to protect the national food sources? We've got a World Bank & an IMF telling everybody else how to manage their economies -- why not a International Food Trubinal to regulate the raising & slaughter/harvesting of food products on a world-wide level? Up until a few years ago/you cdn't buy imported proscuitto from Italy becuz it's salt cured & was considered a 'potential health threat'/since it was a non-cooked pork product. Now that stuff retails for $20/lb. in Balducci's/& we're glad to get it! Who makes these assinine decisions anyway? Nobody ever asked ME to vote on that shit!

Thank you for your support RC, but NZ is NOT a prison colony - thats Australia. The current battle we have with the govt is over genetically engineered food. One of our politicians put up a very sensible bill that would have required food manufacturers to label food that was genetically modified. Unfortunately, the Govt was looking pretty shaky that day, so decided to squash it to show they were in control. Bloody idiots!

Geography was never my best subject. I always confuse Australia & N.Z. They're both big/they both raise sheep. But NZdoesn't have kangaroos/does it? Stay on yr politicians' asses re: food labeling. Otherwise/you'll end up having to eat all the adulterated crap we American's are forced to eat/unless we can afford to pay twice the price for organics. Yr daughters will be menstruating when they're 9/yr men will be impotent when they're 50/and yr president will have the most godawful taste in bimbos.

Geog 101: Australia is a large island located between the Indian and Pacific Oceans. Its population of about 14 million is centred on the east coast, mostly in Sydney. New Zealand is a collection of much smaller islands (about the same size as Britain & Ireland together) located south east of Australia. The population is currently about 3.5 million people and 45 million sheep (down from 65 million 15 years ago). Christchurch (where MoonUnit & I live) is the third largest city in NZ and the largest in the South Island (or Mainland as we like to call it). Population of Christchurch is 350,000. It is located about halfway up the east coast of the South Island, just north of Banks Peninsula. It is a very cool city founded about 150 years ago by mostly middle class english settlers. Local Maori had been living in the general area for at least 500 years (correct me if I'm wrong MoonUnit) before european settlement. Auckland (Dorkland) is the largest city in NZ, containing abt 1 million people, located at the top of the North Island. People from there are known as JAFAs (Just Another Fucking Aucklander) to those in the south, because they have a habit of forgetting that NZ does extend beyond their city limits. Wellington is the Capital, located at the bottom of the North Island. Population is similar to Chch, but consists mostly of bureaucrats and politicians. Also its very windy. NZ is a great place to visit, esp as a backpacker. Our dollar is worth abt half yours, so most things will seem pretty cheap. The South Island is the most wild and scenic, with huge mountains, beautiful lakes and rivers and fabulous beaches. Of course, I might be biased because I live here!

NZ Angel, Where did the 20 million sheep go? Don't tell me you've misplaced them again. I suggest you follow the droppings and I'm sure they'll turn up.

"leave them alone and they'll come home Dragging their tails behind them!" Actually, the sheep got eaten! In the eighties the govt stopped subsidising farmers to grow sheep, so they changed to other animals like deer and alpacas and stuff. Oh and beef - mad cow free!

Thank for the geog. lesson NZA! Two more dumb questions -- are the seasons also reversed in NZ vs. this hemisphere? And do you get wicked hurricanes there/or is the weather blissfully tame?

*pj snuggles up next to Liam*

As we are in the southern hemisphere, yes the seasons are reversed. We are in late spring at hte moment, and the old cliche of a barbeque on Christmas Day is definately possible here. The climate is temperate over most of the country, altho the top of the North Island verges on sub-tropical, esp in summer. In Christchurch we don't get hurricanes, but they have been known to hit the north of the country, only 2-3 times per decade. Chch temperatures range from 0-15 deg C in Winter to 15-30 in summer. We have a pretty dry climate in the east of the country, and very wet in the west. Chch is in the east, so we don't usually get snow here. Further south and in the mountains there is plenty of snow, and there are abt 10 ski fields within 2 hrs drive of Chch. This past year we have been affected quite badly by El Nino, with huge floods in the north half of the North Island and the West Coast of the South Island, and drought conditions down the whole east coast of both islands. Chch is located on a large plain, and our water supply is very pure because it is fed by underground aquifers, and requires no chemical treatment. Today is the day before our provincial anniversary holiday, and all week there have been horse races and the annual Agricultural and Pastoral show, which lasts until Saturday. True to Show Week tradition, the weather has been fine and sunny all week! BTW, I know where Paradise is. It is a large station (or ranch) north of Queenstown (south of Chch), only accessible by a small unsealed road. It is one of the most beautiful places I have ever seen.

For a virtual tour and lots of info check out http://www.Channel8.net/newzealand

or try http://www.nz-travel.co.nz/to_do/index_todo.cfm actually dont try either of those go here!!! http://nz.com this has a better virtual tour with lots of links and stuff

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